View Full Version : Does this forum tolerate medical quackery?
11-15-2007, 01:38 PM
I used to be a member of sunfood/rawfood.com but left because I am disgusted that so many people there recommend proven quackery to already sick people asking for help. I think most raw foodists are aware that conventional medical treatments are made to exploit - not help - the patients, but a few on that site tell every sick person "take this drug" "take that drug" "go see a conventional doctor" when they are all cases for which conventional medicine has no hope (they have no hope for anything other than physical injuries and a few very rare exceptions).
So does this forum tolerate people recommending sick people put their lives into the hands of well exposed quacks (conventional doctors)? If this sort of crime is being promoted on these forums then this is not the place for me. I've just signed up and haven't looked at the discussions yet, but if it's full of people recommending drugs to sick people then I'll leave immediately, I myself have suffered tremendously and almost died from trusting conventional doctors which were purposefully prolonging my disease with deadly chemo drugs to pull as much profit as possible, that's of course after they did a cruel and completely uneeded surgery. So I hope you understand why I don't tolerate the exploitation of sick people through the use of drugs and surgery.
So are people here informed enough to know conventional medicine is the biggest quackery factory the world has ever seen, or are there some who still actually beleive in that deadly fraud?
Here are just a few stats to prove my points:
-Conventional medicine is by far the #1 cause of death, killing between 10,000 and 40,000 people a day in the USA (that's like 9/11 occuring almost once every hour!)
-Each time doctors go on strike, there's an immediate fall in the death rate, often as high as a 50% drop in death rate
-All drugs cause diseases, and not a single drug can cure diseases (antibiotics don't really count because the side effects cause a more serious disease to appear later on, so they really don't cure anything, they just give false hope to gullible patients)
So is this forum the right place for me?
11-15-2007, 01:48 PM
By the way, I just want to clarify, I have no problem with people asking how to stop taking drugs they're currently taking, that's great, I just don't tolerate people recommending drugs to a sick person when drugs are well exposed as quackery by modern science and obviosuly will never work for 2 obvious reasons: They never correct the cause of the disease, they are only a "band aid" solution, and all drugs cause additional disease. Is it any wonder people taking drugs to treat their diseases inevitably all get sicker and sicker?
11-15-2007, 02:10 PM
This forum is open to all opinions. We all support each other here good or bad and help when needed.
I recommend reading some posts and see if it will work for you.
Hope this helps! :)
11-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Well, whether or not this is the place for you is for you to decide. But I will let you know that yes, there are times when people come here asking for medical advice and because NONE of us are medical "experts" that people may suggest that they go and check with their doctor. This is mainly to keep Alissa or any of ourselves from getting into any trouble for "diagnosing" people and their symptoms.
For the most part, we all agree that most symptoms are just that...symptoms and a sign that the body is trying to get rid of something...but there are some here who do not like it when they are told their symptoms are detox/cleansing and prefer to think/believe it is a deficiency or an illness of some sort. So yes, for those people I will tell them, "Hey, why not go and get it checked out" or "ask your doctor" since they don't want the types of answers usually given.
So, again, whether or not this place is for you is up to you...there are some things that we do keep under control around here (and you can and should take a look at our Mission Statement and Rules for Posting for more on that) but as for someone advising another to visit their doctor then no, we do not monitor that or tell people they can't or should not do that because IMO, again, we are not medical experts and so if people don't want to hear the "usual" detox explanation yet they want to know what's going on, sometimes the response will be to see a doctor.
11-15-2007, 02:56 PM
Aloha and Welcome to RFT! interesting post.
perhaps once you read some of the threads here it will give you a better idea if this place is for you or not! personally - I find RFT... very supportive, very informative and lots of fun... :D
blessings on your journey... if you decide to stick around --- I look forward to reading more of your posts...
rawk on... and enjoy the ride!!
11-15-2007, 03:15 PM
Whether or not you decide this is the place for you, this is certainly a place that people can hold whatever opinions they want, so I'm sure you'll be welcome here x
11-15-2007, 03:43 PM
If doctors cured all their patients who would be in their waiting room waiting to be cured ? Looks like a conflict of interest to me.
11-15-2007, 06:35 PM
I think a person should be able to make choices about their health care without being called a quack or the services provided quackery. There are people in the main stream who think WE are quacks. All the name calling only gets people so upset that they can not process new information. I hope you will CHOOSE to stay with us but you need to calm down. You are among friends.
11-15-2007, 06:57 PM
Yes, you are welcome here :)
I appreciate your point of view, and can understand why you are feeling this way as nobodys perfect, and Doctors are not the exception to this rule and can make mistakes like the best of us.
I prefer to leave the judging of Doctors (or, anyone for that matter), to The Ultimate Judge, and respect others' opinions no matter what.
You're opinions are so welcome here and you will find you will grow into a blossoming rose if you just stay a while and have an open mind.
Doctors aren't evil, they are doing their job the best they can, and should be honored and respected as anyone else trying to do their best in their chosen field should be.
We respect anyone and everyone. Welcome to RFT!:)
(who will hopefully, someday, smell like a rose)
11-15-2007, 08:07 PM
Awww, Green Life you are already a rose. And a very sweet lady too.
11-15-2007, 09:12 PM
Thank you so much, tee hee hee. That was sweet of you.
11-17-2007, 07:57 AM
I was on my high horse regarding doctors and said that I would never use another one but when I woke one morning about nine months ago, 3000 miles form home and family, and could not lift my head from the pillow I was glad that my friends found a hospital to take me to.
I have since been a little more tolerant in my statements.
11-21-2007, 08:38 AM
Hey raweater, sorry you went through so much. It would be difficult to go through what you went through and not feel harshly toward certain medical professionals.
I think Rawkinlocs gave a great summary of what to expect here. And this forum is excellent, really. Supportive of all opinions and everyone shares their knowledge.
Green Life, you're so sweet! Great post!
Hope you stick around, I look forward to getting to know you! Welcome!!!
11-30-2007, 09:40 PM
I think as others have mentioned you'll have to be the judge for yourself to see if you vibe with this forum.
I wanted to add that I shared your viewpoints, not necessarily as strongly, for many years. I have benefited from very good health most of my life and rarely went to a doctor and didn't believe in them. But I must share with you that a couple of years ago I broke several bones in my leg and hand. And the orthopedic surgeons that worked with me were brilliant and very genuine human beings who have sacrificed their lives to help others. I would not label them as "quacks" nor any other physician. Healers come in all shapes and sizes I've realized from that experience. Judgement only closes doors to greater understanding and awareness. Even though collectively western medicine is heavily influenced by the drug industry and profit seeking corporations, there are a handful of physicians and medical professionals who are truly gifted and want to help people that are amongst the ranks and are just as disgruntled with the status quo as their patients. I was fortunate to come across such gifted, loving individuals when I was going through a very painful and emotionally debilitating experience.
With regard to drugs, I had to take them. There's no way I would've been able to heal as I was in severe pain. Since canabis is illegal in the US and I don't use it anyway, I had to depend on these drugs. So in some cases they are necessary, even though I don't advocate using them and I got off of them as soon as I was able to. I haven't managed mind over matter to that degree yet, lol, to be able to shut down my system to that kind of pain.
Just wanted to shed a different light on this subject based on my own personal experience and shift in awareness with regard to surgeons and doctors.
Welcome and enjoy your raw journey.
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