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11-05-2007, 08:24 AM
Hi, my name is Debbie. I have been 100% raw for 5 months and mostly raw for 4 years. I have seen it do magic in so many people. My question is my step daughter was just diagnosed with the HPV virus and she has some warts on her cervix which the doctor wants to surgically remove. Does anyone think the raw food diet can help her? Does anyone have any advice? Thank you so much for any replies.
04-17-2009, 11:59 PM
I just did a search on this and I am wondering if anyone out there knows of anyone who has healed from this virus. I have a dear friend who is now RAW and she has contracted HPV. I personally was healed of this virus back in 2000 but was not raw at the time. I just intuitivley used essential oils of therapetic quality and intended that I would be healed. And no more!! This whole time...
I am wanting to find out if anyone else out there would like to share. Even though this is a personal and sometimes shame based subject. (Don't think it should be though)..... It is just a reality these days!!
04-18-2009, 12:16 AM
To prevent flare ups you want to eat and avoid eating the same foods that would cause and prevent cold sores.
L-arginine undermines the effect of lysine in suppression of viral infection. Therefore, for a person infected with viruses (eg. person with herpes), it is recommended to reduce L-arginine supplement dosage or not to eat foods high in L-arginine.
Foods to avoid or limit: Peanuts, walnuts, brazil nuts, coconut, chickpeas, chocolate, pistashio, flax seeds, pecans, garlic, onion, almonds, hazelnuts, sunflower seeds, cashews, beans, lentils, tahini, orange juice, grape juice, sesame, macadamia nuts, blueberries, pumkin seeds, orange, tangerines, peas, eggplant, cabbage, radish, sweet peppers, dates, carrots, collards, strawberries, brocolli, beet greens, and carob. Also all dairy and meat
People with viral diseases can benefit from a diet high in lysine and low in arginine.
Foods high in lysine: papaya, beets, mango, apricot, apple, pear, fig, tomato, pineapple, celery, persimmon, squash, peach, plum, avocado, sprouts.
This is a good video on HPV and gardasil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK97CHQZhq0&feature=PlayList&p=B51E6F5B0946445B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24
04-18-2009, 12:21 AM
My question is my step daughter was just diagnosed with the HPV virus and she has some warts on her cervix which the doctor wants to surgically remove. Does anyone think the raw food diet can help her? Does anyone have any advice? Thank you so much for any replies.
Sorry, but I don't know of any nutritional changes that 'cure' HPV and no matter what, she will always be at risk for cervical cancer if she contracted one of the strains that is responsible (not all strains do and there are multiple strains). Personally, I think you should get her treated to remove them asap and explain to her she needs regular paps from now on (every year). I contracted HPV when I was eighteen (even with 'protection') and have now had abnormal paps and two different procedures to remove tissue since.
04-18-2009, 12:26 AM
Here's a convo I had with someone who helped me look at HPV a little differently:
"One thing we can sure about: The symptoms don't lie.
(well, most of the time at least). So if you are still having flare ups, certainly that is surprising. But that means this is a case needing some investigation. Certainly it isn't necessarily "normal" for flare ups. So there is a cause. The cause isn't the virus replication. That is again, just another symptom, just like the flare up is.
So now it's time to figure out if you have a latent irritant (toxin, poison) which you have not had your doctor's detect. Here is why the pap smear is useless and I would not recommend one:
If you find something, the doctors will scare you into thinking you need drugs to "kill the evil virus." If you don't find anything, then you simply continue to think that your health is determined by the absence of some positive result on some pap smear. By all means, go right ahead. But ask yourself WHY you are getting a pap smear in the first place...Whatever you find out that information is useless.
As Dr.D said, what makes us think "HPV
" is not a perfectly normal virus. In fact the very fact that 80% of the population will be likely to test positive for it should make us think twice about blaming it for pathogenic effects. If there is any connection to disease (which is arguable, but hardly certain)...it is ONLY a correlation, so therefore what does a pap smear do that simply self examination can't do? Very little.
The problem with doctors is the don't detect pathogens. The detect the symptoms that the pathogens produce in the body and claim that as the disease. You are better off going to a toxicologist. FAR better off.
So am I REALLY surprised? No. There is just need for more information.
Flare ups are very often the result of stressors. That doesn't just mean emotional stress like "ohh man I gotta pay my bills."
Heart disease is a result of stressors, and yet the body hardly ever manifests symptoms of accumulated artery damage...often times until its too late.
There are no mysteries in medicine. Very few. There is just the amount of information that is provided and the skill of the individual practitioner at determining and connecting the dots.
You should get second opinions, but when most people think about second opinions they just go to another doctor. I don't think that's a valid second opinion. A second opinion should consist of going to a toxicologist, or an endocrine specialist, or something like that...as in...look at the problem from a different angle.
Endocrine disruption and toxicity are the two most significant causes of disease in our society. Most doctors think of toxicology last, if ever, and only if they are well versed in endocrinology will they look to it first to find potential problems.
Don't believe me? Tell me how much your physician mentioned chemical-related problems regarding genital flare ups etc...he probably just took the neanderthal route and just drug his/her knuckles on the ground and blabbed on about "the virus" you might have."
04-18-2009, 12:27 AM
What do we know about HPV right now? Well, not much. The modern medical folks think it is a disease causing entity. But their basis for this is VERY weak. Not everyone who has HPV will develop cancer, this is admitted. Not everyone who gets certain cervical cancers or has warts tests positive for HPV. They admit this as well.
So what are the possibilities? They are many:
HPV could be a genetic sequence which occurs in normal people, and thus is completely useless to test for. or
HPV could be a genetic sequence which MIGHT occur in normal people, and might not. or
HPV could be a genetic sequence which could occur in some normal people at varying low levels, and perhaps, in states of high toxicity can be expressed in more volume, thus will show up more readily on tests during certain physiological states (HIV works this way. It is not a virus, but rather a series of genetic sequences which occur in a similar proportion of individuals as HPV is supposed to occur...the only difference with HIV is that the tests are diluted to 400X and thus only those people who have high levels of certain bits and pieces of this genetic sequence will show up. Does it mean they are sick? Nope. There are over 80 different unique conditions or physiological states which can account for a positive result on an HIV test and this is well known.) I haven't looked into the nature of the HPV tests myself so I can't say it is the exact same...
HPV could also be a genetic sequence that is found to be highly predictable of further progression to cancer or disease.
The problem is none of these scenarios are anywhere near conclusive.
I state that it might be possible that HPV is a genetic result to stressors, but it could be something else. How do I know? There were no HPV tests performed even 3 decades ago. If I had some data on HPV prevalence in 1600 that would be great. No such thing. If we could determine that HPV is a genetic sequence that was perfectly normal to find in people back in the pre-modernized periods..you know like 2000 BC...then it is clear that it is not ONLY a result of chemicals.
Again to give an example of HIV...they get these samples from DNA that they know is human and they know is over 100 years old and these samples test positive and it baffles these people...well...it's no surprise with HIV...the sequences in that supposed virus are and have been native to our species probably since before we were even a species.
I don't know of any ex post facto assays of HPV genetic sequences on human DNA from centuries ago that has taken place. I would suggest this would be a viable and beneficial endeavor to research, but I dunno if anyone is showing interest.
Once again, the pap smear doesn't really tell you anything worth while. Even if you do have a "potentially cancerous wart" the answer is not to chop it off...at least that wouldn't be my answer. Warts and moles that are pathogenic tend to fall off as the body's health is restored through exercise, diet, proper mental focus, laughter...basically by restoring the human to the human condition without obstruction.
The only thing a pap smear is really good at, is detecting even the slightest possible cancerous tissue which can then immediately be used by the practitioners to scare someone into surgery or chemo or whatever "goodies" the white coats have up their sleeves.
The only way a pap smear is useful, is if you plan on using it STRICTLY as a diagnostic or as a measuring tool to see if any potentially cancerous tissue has reverted back to non-cancerous, which is what it will do when the proper adjustments are made.
So I guess it's not utterly utterly useless...but you have to be a very strong minded person and you have to have a game plan as far as what you will say depending on the results, because make no mistake about it...modern medicine is a discipline designed to get high volumes of patients in and out. They want to diagnose...as early as possible (a covert way of getting to patients as quick as possible disguised as 'caring and loving preventative medicine'), get you on the operating table, in the line at the pharmacy, or back again as soon as possible for another test to hopefully find something (you know...cuz they care for you so much) and get you on the operating table, or in line at the pharmacy....or back as soon as possible for another test...so they can....well, you get the picture.
Basically you have to realize this ugly truth or else you will be destined to be a victim. And I tell you what, it's not that the doctors themselves are evil, mean, cruel, etc. They aren't. Most of them are really nice and kind people. That's what sucks. It's like the mother that puts infant formula in her baby's bottle and destroys her baby's health with nothing but love and compassion.
You gotta look past intentions and nice smiles and faces. Of COURSE they mean well...they are human beings just like you. But they have a job. And they don't know you THAT well...and they know that there is this thing called protocol...and if they deviate, or question it, there could be problems...They know it's not fun being the one everyone is talking about who screwed up during the WMMRs right? They can only do so much for you. As far as the nice doctors are concerned, they have no business with you if you are well...you are only worthwhile when you are ill, so they can try and "fix" you. Like a mechanic. Everything they are trained to appreciate is based on disease. They look for whatever disease they can. If it's not structural disease, it's bacterial or "infectious", if not that, then it's genetic, if not that, then some other correlational form of diagnosis. Stay in a doctor's office long enough and I can bet you 10000 bucks they will eventually find something the matter. The only problem is they are trying to get through so many people each day it makes more sense to just find the quickest and most "obvious" disease and that's that.
Pap smear? Sure. Go have one. Go have ten. Just don't listen to anything else the poor doctors tell you...their advice might kill you.
What would you do if you were on a deserted island and you had on pap smear test...took it, and found out you were positive for cervical cancer? All you had around you was 811 food growing on trees...what would happen? Think you would die? Think you would fail? Or maybe by some "mysterious" chance you lived a long life and nothing ever happened to you?
Fear's a bitch though eh? Modern medicine makes most of it's money not off the procedures or the drugs or the meds or the vaccines...it's almost ENTIRELY from this: the "What if's"
Yes the drugs and surgeries etc are what actually physically account for the exchange of dollars...or Euros, as it is increasingly becoming...but make no mistake...the initial "sale" is one of the same nature of most confidence schemes. It's that "what if."
In religion they call this kind of hucksterism "Pascal's Wager"...it's fear mongering at its worse.
All I say is know what you are getting yourself into. Think about what the possible outcomes might be before you agree to any medical test/procedure or visit. The people most vulnerable are the ones who don't think about these things and then some guy in a lab coat towers over them telling them the harsh reality, so to say, and it "hits them like a ton of bricks."
This should never happen. Know the possible outcomes...know what the dangers are of allowing people to test you for things neither of you fully understand.
It's the only way to be safe."
04-18-2009, 12:42 AM
Well...my warts were treated and removed when I was eighteen and I had no 'flare-ups' after. Ever. However, my mother had the highest level abnormal paps (before full-blown cancer) and my aunt actually had cervical cancer and had to get a hysterectomy.
So I get paps...and when they turned abnormal (and for more than one in a row) and when they were still abnormal after a 'punch' tissue checked deeper into my cervix and then I was treated for it...then I'd say there is an issue there that needs to be addressed. Personally, I'm glad I got paps done, as much as they hurt and I hate them. Whether HPV is the actual cause or not, without paps, my aunt and mother would be dead.
Why risk it?
04-18-2009, 04:44 AM
Ya that is something I don't totally agree with what this person said. I will continue as well to get paps done.
For me to follow anything the doctors say if anything abnormal shows up well.. that'll be a different story.
I'm all for testing and getting checked out regularly. I like being proactive with my health.
04-18-2009, 07:22 AM
I am in a similar boat as Adiebabe and have the same opinion :)
Otherwise my mom and I would both be dead too...I'm assuming.
04-18-2009, 07:42 AM
HPV has high risk strains and low risk strains. When you have your PAP done they will probably do a HPV test at the same time. You can have a negative HPV test because you do not have enough HPV virus particles present at that time,but still have the high risk HPV. The PAP tells you if you have cellular abnormalities due to the virus and how abnormal the cells are. Then again you can test positive for high risk HPV and have no abnormal cells YET but you need to be monitored.
The low risk HPV can cause warts and can disappear on their own without causing any high risk abnormal cells.
So that is it as I understand it. Nope not a doctor or anything here just a person that reads.
04-18-2009, 04:44 PM
This is all interesting. I had a leep and the cryo. It still came back.
I absolutely know that through nutrition and my own inner healing is why I have had 10 years of clear super healthy paps. Soooo... does anyone have any stories to share about raw foods and hpv or other sexually transmitted "diseases" that does involve healing?I mean if all of these other illnesses get healed than why not this too?
Maybe it is something deeper and that is why it runs in the family so to speak?
Anyone else out there wanna share?
04-18-2009, 10:18 PM
I have written about this several times and I'm not sure I want to again, but here goes...
I had laser surgery for HPV 20 years ago after all the initial treatments done in the Doctor's office failed. Since then I have had laser surgery and excisions at least 15 times. I am participating in a long term study that is trying to determine why some women's immune systems fight it off and others continue to have serious problems progressing from warts to precancerous leisions, to cancer. If undetected or untreated, cancer is likely, and not just cervical cancer. The HPV has never affected my cervix, it was always external.
I cured myself only one time. When my daughter was born, (cesarean) I was having a serious outbreak. The doctor said go bond with your baby and come back in two months to have surgery. During that time while I nursed my daughter I would get pinching pains in that area. It had not been painful before. I was sure it was getting worse. When I went back to the doctor the leisions had disappeared. The Doctor told me when a woman is nursing a baby her immunities are very strong. Within a year after I stopped nursing it was back and I had to have surgery.
Once contracted we will ALWAYS have the virus. Our immune system can keep it in check or not. Obviously, stress, smoking, and a poor diet will compromise the immune system. Both the years I have been on a nutrient rich raw diet my immune system has been at a level where I am keeping the virus in check. On raw, I don't even get sick when everyone else is falling around me.
If I can continue to keep the virus in check with a raw diet then others can too. However, A RAW DIET SHOULD NOT BE USED TO ATTEMPT TO CURE AN EXISTING OUTBREAK. It must be removed or it will continue to go deeper into the skin. Once through all the layers of skin it can become deadly.
If your diagnosed with HPV get surgery. THEN start taking care of your body to bolster your immune system to prevent further outbreaks. Go to the doctor for checkups every three months until you have been clear for at least one year. After that get an annual check up and pap.
I have been free from outbreaks for almost two years and I am going to stay that way. I see my Doctor again in July. I'm sure she will say, "See you next year and keep doing what you are doing." That is what she said last year. She also said I was glowing. :) Raw does it for me.
Sugar Snap Pea
04-19-2009, 09:56 AM
Have the warts removed. I don't have any statistics for you, no medical studies to quote. What I do have is my memory of seeing several young women die of cervical cancer, an easily preventable cancer this day and age. Raw is wonderful, but modern medicine has a well earned place in our lives. Please just have the warts removed and be done with it.
04-19-2009, 10:33 AM
I learned at a women's health center that researchers are finding that one of the B-vitamins (I think folic acid, but maybe b-6?) can cure HPV. I don't know about actually curing a wart, but getting the virus out of the body. I can't remember exactly what she said, but the vitamin displaces the virus on the cell or something. I haven't looked for the research, and never learned this in school. The raw diet is a great way to get lots of be vitamins, since folic acid in particular is destroyed by heat and abundant in greens. Also, there is an herbal product called Yin Care, you might need to go to an acupuncturist to get it, that can be used topically (like on a soaked tampon) and it clears the "damp-heat" pathogen out (sorry, chinese med. terms) and normalizes the condition of the cervix/vagina to prevent outbreaks after getting the warts removed. That product is awesome for yeast infections too btw!
04-19-2009, 11:51 AM
It seems this subject brings up some intensity for people. Thankyou all for sharing your feelings and experiences. And Thankyou Everchanging for the full of hope remedies that you have found.
Just to be clear I also do not advocate doing nothing. I also do believe that there is a place for western med. It is not all or nothing!!
I just wanted to see what was out there in the way of personal healing stories with this subject and also on the emotional level.
I do not however believe that once you have the virus it is always there no matter what. I believe there is more than science in this life. Science is a tool yes but there are accounts of people getting "healed" of all kinds of crazy stuff out there. Just thought I would ask.
There are 2 things fear and love.... and I do believe that things in life are more simple than we make them out to be. But I will not live my life by fear.
I do think that if someone needs a doc and/or surgery... go for it. Do what you are called to do. But for those of us that might view healing and illness diferently.... than there are other ways out there but you are right you all it does take a total lifestyle and mindset change!!! And one must be cautious and use wisdom in this endeavor....
Thankyou again for everyones honesty!!! It is so lame that so many young women are robbed of their lives because of this little understood virus!!
Peace to all of you..
and truly thanks and lots of respect to you all.....
I love this forum because there are so many different women (and men)
with really alot of love and that shines through here!!!
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