What juicer should I get if I want to make icecream?

[rawmorenmore]

I'm an ice cream fanatic!

I've been eyeing the Samson 6 in 1??

[pete]

my champion makes good "ice cream".

[rawmorenmore]

Thanks, do you freeze it after?

[pete]

no.

i keep chopped up fruits in the freezer, then i run them (frozen) through the champion with the blank plate in.

what comes out the other side is nice cold creamy "ice cream".

if you make too much and try to freeze it, it will harden too much.

[Revvell]

A Champion is great but if you've already got a food processor, use that. Frozen bananas, frozen strawberries, frozen "ice cream".

Revvell

[sport]

I am with Revvell on this simply because of the waste generated by making it in the juicer.
It is fine if you are making a large amount for a lot of people but when I make it just for me I do not want to have 10% of it stuck to the inside of a juicer.
I can scrape out (and I do) the food processer a lot better.
I hate waste.

[baltochef]

rawmorenmore

If raw ice cream is something that you really, really have to have in your diet to stay content, then my suggestion is to purchase a mid-priced ice cream maker..

Nothing is going to duplicate "real" cream-based ice creams the way that a tabletop, refrigerated ice cream machine will..

With a good food processor & the ice cream machine, there is NO limit to the raw ice creams that can be made..

In order to duplicate the mouth feel & the sensory delight of cream-based ice creams, you will have to substitute SOMETHING for the fats in the cream..

This means that if what you desire in a raw "ice cream" is the same sensory input as you would get in a cream-based ice cream, then the caloric count of the raw version will be virtually the same as the "real" thing..

Take it from a chef (with a life long sugar addiction) who dearly LOVES cream-based ice cream, that frozen fruits passed through the homogenizing plate of a juicer is NOT the same thing..

While I will admit that I like the taste of most of the frozen raw desserts that I have eaten thus far, they will never stand in as a substitute for cream-based ice cream..

I have slowly been coming around to the realization that I am going to have to commit myself to the idea of 100% raw, & stick to it..

For the last year I have been trying to be 75% raw; making all of the raw substitutes for the SAD foods that I crave, & constantly falling back into eating the SAD version..

At least for me, the enormous amounts of time required to duplicate SAD foods doesn't seem to be working out..

So I have decided to stop trying to fool myself into eating raw by preparing the elaborate raw meals that mimic SAD foods..

Instead, I will be eating raw fruits & vegetables seperately from each other, along with sprouts, nuts, & seeds in moderation..

Anyway, that's my two cents worth on the raw ice cream issue..

Bruce

[PhoeniX]

I am not sure that I agree with needing to substitute fats to make good ice cream. The best ice cream that I have had was just frozen mango (must be ripe when you freeze it!) with a raw chocolate sauce on it. This was put through the green star (I think) with the blank plate to mush it properly. I have also made banana ice cream in my blender and that works very well. If you do feel the need to add some fat then just add a bit of avocado! I am sure that would work well.

[kaybee]

my solostar also has a blank plate like the champion (and the greenstar too i think?). it makes great banana and fruit ice cream, but sport is right--it is frustrating when so much gets left inside, especially when youre dealing with more expensive ingredients like berries or cherries. the fp is a good idea, but if youre going to get a juicer anyway, id research the models that can do this, then look on craigslist or ebay for a less expensive, used one.

k

[Revvell]

I don't agree with having to add any fat either. Frozen bananas and some frozen fruit... works for me... OR frozen banana with a dollop of honey and chopped pecans...

Easy, simple, quick ~ all in the fp. My Sampson and Green Power both froze up when attempting making "ice cream" through them which is why I use the fp... easier to clean and so much faster.

We did have a cashew "ice cream" one time which was probably made in an ice cream machine. Fat in that. Was soooo rich, creamy and smooooooth. Would love to duplicate it.

Revvel

[pete]

The best ice cream that I have had was just frozen mango (must be ripe when you freeze it!) with a raw chocolate sauce on it. This was put through the green star (I think) with the blank plate to mush it properly.


same here, mango ice cream is heavenly.

but, i'm going to try it in my cuisinart next time, if it makes it just as well as my juicer i'll use from now on, because clean up is a p.i.t.a.

[cherries]

If you refreeze the banana ice cream after putting it through the champion, pete is right that it will get quite hard, but I actually do it that way all the time. I package it in "serving sized" containers and I have to eat it with a fork, but it beats having to make it again every time I want ice cream. It halps to throw a few berries in with it to change the color to a pretty color because refrozen ice cream is a little browner than fresh ice cream.

[tvillemom]

I love frozen fruit ran through my Omega 8005 juicer. It does leave alittle bit in the juicer, but not much, and it is VERY quiet, and fast.
I have also used one of those small (no ice required) ice cream makers. I used cashew milk and flavorings! This was very creamy and tasted so much like traditional ice cream, I could hardly believe it!!

Good luck...by the way, my ice cream maker is a Hamilton Beach, and only cost about $20!!

Wendi

[bluejaunte]

I just use my K-Tec blender, and I never add any fat. I use frozen bananas. Just bananas, or bananas + other frozen fruit, or bananas + cacao .. my favorite is bananas with frozen persimmons. And the texture is just like soft serve.

[Cinnamon]

I use my Champion but my food processor works just as well and is an easier clean-up. Love my banana/fruit vice cream!!

[baltochef]

To Everyone

In no way was I saying in my previous post that frozen friuts that are put through the blender, food processor, or the homogenizing plates of a juicer, cannot be a satisfying dessert..

I have made this type of raw dessert many times over the past 14 months..

I eat these desserts with great enjoyment..

However, without the inclusion of some type of fat in the recipe, all of these types of frozen desserts will be quite hard, sometimes rock hard, if they are frozen agian..

Personally, I solve this dilemma by putting any leftovers in popsicle molds before refreezing..

This makes them much easier to eat afterwards..

My advice to rawmorenmore was in how to duplicate the taste & texture, as closely as possible; of a cream-based SAD ice cream, but within raw guidelines..

As I read more & more online about the raw lifestyle, it is clear to me that the majority of the people transitioning to raw, & indeed staying raw for the first year or two; need transitional foods that mimic as closely as possible the SAD foods that they are attempting to give up..

Thus my advice to rawmorenmore was predicated on trying to appease her love of traditional SAD ice cream with a raw version that would satisfy her brain's desire with both taste & texture..

It is my opinion that the only frozen dessert (that does not use added forms of fat) that comes close to mimicing it's SAD counterpart; are the ones using frozen fruits that themselves have a decent fat content (bananas, papayas, mangoes, etc.)..

When you put such fruits through a powerful blender, they indeed closely resemble soft serve frozen ice cream..

This is due to the large amounts of air being whipped into the fruits as they pulverize..

This is my favorite way to enjoy raw frozen fruit desserts..

It's fast and easy, & doesn't get a juicer dirty..It's a lot easier to clean up, & there's less waste as well..

I have come to realize for myself, not necessarily for others, that the sooner I make the transition to a completly 100% raw diet with little or no consumption of complicated, assembled raw foods (that mimic SAD foods), the better off my body & mind will be..

This is my goal, not necessarily one that others need pursue..

I apoligise for any misunderstanding in my first post on this topic of raw ice cream..

Bruce

[PhoeniX]

Sorry baltochef,

I didn't want to make everyone turn against you. I hadn't realised that when you add fat to the ice cream you were making then it could be refrozen. I never refreeze it, but that is great if it works that way.

[Revvell]

I didn't want to make everyone turn against you.

Did you do that??? ;)

[pan.droid]

I'm an ice cream fanatic!

I've been eyeing the Samson 6 in 1??

This one (http://www.877myjuicer.com/c=NJeziSqXZq1prON517eoYbZeD/product/GREEN-POWER-TWIN/Green_Power_Twin_Gear_KPE1304_Fruit_Vegetable_Whea tgrass_Juicer.html) has a 10 year warranty and was made with the same materials and in the same warehouse as the Samson line. It's four hundred dollars but well worth the investment as it does so much more than make ice cream (raw almond butter, crushed flax seed, wheatgrass juice) plus you can make special recipes by separating the flesh of your produce from the juice.

Good luck,

Pan.Droid

[pan.droid]

Nicely stated, Bruce.

[spiralgirl]

baltochef,

I agree that some raw foods will never taste like SAD and believe me I was a hard core food addict and have been 100% raw for five months. If you want to feel healthy and alive then raw is the way to go. For me, my taste buds have changed and now I find some raw things better than SAD. It's a mind shift and one I chose to make and I keep reminding myself that I feel amazing and I've gone through so much detox to get where I am. Do I still get cravings? Of course as I ate a lot of junk food for many years and have been so brainwashed to satisfy myself with food as a cure all for everything.

If you want to be 100% raw you will be able to do it and when people ask if I'll be raw for life I don't know. I take it one day at a time. Right now my goal is to make it to one year and then I'll re-evaluate. I've never been able to stick to a diet this long and I look at this plan as a lifestyle choice. Plus I never feel guilty when I eat chocolate cheesecake or ice cream like I did when I was SAD. The hardest part of RAW is the social aspect as the world revolves around food. It gets awkward sometimes to bring your own meal or have people ask what your eating. You no longer fit in with everyone else. For some people this is a non issue but for me it's tough. To top it all off my sister and I sell organic baking at two local markets along with our soap and beauty line. Yet, we don't eat what we make.

Keep us posted on your journey.

[rawmorenmore]

rawmorenmore

If raw ice cream is something that you really, really have to have in your diet to stay content, then my suggestion is to purchase a mid-priced ice cream maker..

Nothing is going to duplicate "real" cream-based ice creams the way that a tabletop, refrigerated ice cream machine will..

With a good food processor & the ice cream machine, there is NO limit to the raw ice creams that can be made..

In order to duplicate the mouth feel & the sensory delight of cream-based ice creams, you will have to substitute SOMETHING for the fats in the cream..

This means that if what you desire in a raw "ice cream" is the same sensory input as you would get in a cream-based ice cream, then the caloric count of the raw version will be virtually the same as the "real" thing..

Take it from a chef (with a life long sugar addiction) who dearly LOVES cream-based ice cream, that frozen fruits passed through the homogenizing plate of a juicer is NOT the same thing..

While I will admit that I like the taste of most of the frozen raw desserts that I have eaten thus far, they will never stand in as a substitute for cream-based ice cream..

I have slowly been coming around to the realization that I am going to have to commit myself to the idea of 100% raw, & stick to it..

For the last year I have been trying to be 75% raw; making all of the raw substitutes for the SAD foods that I crave, & constantly falling back into eating the SAD version..

At least for me, the enormous amounts of time required to duplicate SAD foods doesn't seem to be working out..

So I have decided to stop trying to fool myself into eating raw by preparing the elaborate raw meals that mimic SAD foods..

Instead, I will be eating raw fruits & vegetables seperately from each other, along with sprouts, nuts, & seeds in moderation..

Anyway, that's my two cents worth on the raw ice cream issue..

Bruce

Hmmm, thanks for the response... I was thinking of using nuts as the fats or coconut milks or oil.... I love the banana ice cream that is in Alissa's book and want more.. :D

[rawmorenmore]

my solostar also has a blank plate like the champion (and the greenstar too i think?). it makes great banana and fruit ice cream, but sport is right--it is frustrating when so much gets left inside, especially when youre dealing with more expensive ingredients like berries or cherries. the fp is a good idea, but if youre going to get a juicer anyway, id research the models that can do this, then look on craigslist or ebay for a less expensive, used one.

kThis is excellent. Thanks!

[Lavendula]

We make almond milk ice cream, chocolate of course. First we added cashews, next we did pinenuts, the last batch I used macadamias soaked in the almond milk. The recipe also calls for psyllium, that gives it more body. Blend it all in the high powered blender, and then freeze, stirring it as it sets up. My hubby, who isn't eating raw, thinks it's the best stuff. I made it for him anyway, I am not as into ice cream, but I think it's pretty good too. It's not Godiva, Belgian dark ( that, I was into ), but satisfies.

[sport]

I am currently making my ice cream in my vita mix because I burned out my food processer and am waiting for the new one to be delivered.
For some reason frozen bananas were a strain on it and I find that it is even straining the vita mix.

[Gittel]

Lavendula, could you please be a bit more specific about how you make your nut ice creams. They sound so yum. Thanks.

Gittel

[Lavendula]

I got the recipe from my raw food potluck meetup group. The leaders are opening a new cafe here in Chicagoland/ We are all very excited. This link should get you there. Just go back and look at the digest for the meetup at the end of Sept., it was in the digest after that potluck, before Raw Spirit, you will enjoy that too though. The bread recipe too. We made our bread with lots of extra stuff, yum, it made great sandwiches. Have fun.



I http://wholefood.meetup.com/82/photos/?photoAlbumId=238418&photoId=2409121

[Lavendula]

I tried it from here, it took me a while, this is all still new to me. It is in the mailing list archive, Danny sent it Oct. 1. You will get dizzy if you try to read them all ( the recipes in the digest), for some reason, it all repeats and repeats, and repeats.