can anyone describe colon therapy?

[Aleesha Sattva]

can anyone describe, in detail colon therapy. i'm extremely uncomfy with the idea but i want to have an open mind before saying no to this option.

[aililiu]

ill be interested to hear the responses too.
this is something i want to try for sure,
its only a lack of money thats stopping me.

[Aleesha Sattva]

well it is expensive but so are those 90 day treatments of pills. personally i'd rather get it over with in a few one hour (or however long it is) sessions but i do have a major blockage regarding a tube being inserted into my rectum. (no pun intended LOL)

[aililiu]

lol!
well,
the results are supposed to be so fantastic id put up with it ;)

[trinity082482]

I have never been comfortable with the idea of a doctor sticking a thick tube up my @$$. I really don't want to go there.. I dont even like Pap smeers! I am having my first one in the last 4 years.. Bad me :o

[CaliRaw]

I have never been comfortable with the idea of a doctor sticking a thick tube up my @$$. I really don't want to go there.. I dont even like Pap smeers! I am having my first one in the last 4 years.. Bad me :o

I don't think THEY do it. I believe YOU do it. Would that be better? :D
I've been curious about it, but...........(no pun intended). :)

[trinity082482]

I don't think THEY do it. I believe YOU do it. Would that be better? :D
I've been curious about it, but...........(no pun intended). :)

:D Maybe ;)

[CaliRaw]

:D Maybe ;)

I think so too, but then I don't know. It's still going up there. I don't know. I may do it. I've been thinking about it. I really don't know how useful it would be. I'm ambivalent. I almost feel the same way about that that I feel about the mucoid plaque.......quackery!

[cinnamon panda]

ok, i'll get graphic.:o

i have had 2 sessions with the wonderful Lacy. basically it goes like this: i have my appt at 12 or 1pm and make sure to have a BM in the morning and eat light the day before so that it's not a waste of time and money to just flush out 'new stuff'.

at the appt i put on a hospital gown and lay on my back on a table. Lacy comes in and chats a bit about raw foods (b/c she knows i am on this eating plan), my BM's and answers my questions or ask me questions.

i roll over to my left side and :eek: um...he, yeah she puts that plastic thing in my rear, but i guide it in with her coaching. it's a bit uncomfortable, but at this point in my life i am willing to deal with some embarassment for good health.

at this point she starts massaging my stomach/colon HARD and feeling around. she can tell if i have gas or something hard in there. she uses her hands and a back massager.

she then starts to fill me up with water, just like a water balloon. my stomach gets big, like i am preggers and i can fill it pressing on my liver and i tell her OK let it out. so as the water is coming out she presses HARD on my stomach and i breathe deeply...and WHOOSH! stuff comes out. lots of it.

she will say "your nuts aren't digesting." or, "WOW look at all the toxins from your liver" etc. etc. she will describe what we are seeing and that makes me a bit woozy and lightheaded to watch the poop aquarium.;)

she does a total of 3 fills and a quick 4th fast one. after that we talk a little while she massages my stomach. after that i roll over she pulls out the tube and i scamper off to the bathroom to let gravity take it's course as well.

my 1st time my colon was sluggish and not much came out....well it DID, but it was WORK. the 2nd time my body was ready and it cleaned house.

i feel AMAZING after. i have tons of energy, my stomach is flatter (not bloated and distended, which i have problems with...especially around my period.)

so far i love it and i have chosen to do them b/c i want to get things moving and sometimes the body needs some help. i have some herbs and things i am supposed to take 2 days before my next session...this is going to start clearing off the walls of my colon. the OLD crap.

so, basically it is so uncomfortable laying there feeling like you have to take a huge BM, but you can't go to the bathroom and then suddenly it gets released and you feel better. usually while i am getting the treatment i think "I AM NEVER DOING THIS AGAIN". then after, i am skipping around all happy counting the days till my next appt.

good luck!

[Aleesha Sattva]

i don't think it's quackery... but i am rather uncomfy with using an exit as an entrance.

[cinnamon panda]

btw i am nearly 27 years old and have eaten crap my whole life. junk food vegetarian, processed stuff like you wouldn't believe. heavy social drinker and also on the depo BC shot for 5 years, plus smoking socially growing up:(

sooooo all that abuse to my body would probably take a long time with only raw foods to heal...so i think colon cleansing is a great tool to use just like a vita-mix or a food processor. just makes things easier.

[Aleesha Sattva]

ah we posted at the same time LOL

thank you for that excellent description!!!

[RawKev]

It's like any new experience, once you get it done and over with you realized it's not nearly as bad as you thought it would be and that the positive results far outweigh any of the downsides to the treatment. It's not something I would have done on a regular basis but it can be a great way to jump start your cleansing process in addition a raw diet, or as a way to remove any of the old toxic material that might be left over once you became completely raw.

I was VERY nervous as well and found the first treatment to be quite an uncomfortable feeling. Once it was over and I spent half an hour on the toilette at the clinic, I felt like all of the old toxic me was gone and I felt some very strong emotions. It was a very positive experience and made a definite improvement in the way I felt physically, mentally, and spiritually.

[CaliRaw]

Thanks for the description cinnamon panda! :)

Does she have a recommendation on how frequently you should do this? I would imagine that since you are eating cleaner than a SAD eater, it wouldn't be as often once you've gotten rid of the old stuff?

A lot of people say that they feel lighter and their stomach is much flatter afterwards, but nobody says if it remains that way. Since you're eating raw and things should be coming out better, shouldn't the stomach remain relatively flat or does the old stuff keep that from happening?

Also, did you weigh yourself before and after?

I have the contact info of someone that was recommended to me, so I will give her a call soon.

Thanks again for your post! :)

[tanishamarshall]

Thanks for the description cinnamon panda! :)

Does she have a recommendation on how frequently you should do this? I would imagine that since you are eating cleaner than a SAD eater, it wouldn't be as often once you've gotten rid of the old stuff?

A lot of people say that they feel lighter and their stomach is much flatter afterwards, but nobody says if it remains that way. Since you're eating raw and things should be coming out better, shouldn't the stomach remain relatively flat or does the old stuff keep that from happening?

Also, did you weigh yourself before and after?

I have the contact info of someone that was recommended to me, so I will give her a call soon.

Thanks again for your post! :)

I would love to know this myself.

[Dakini]

Video not for the faint of heart: http://www.colonic-association.com/page08.htm
I had a colonic yesterday which was great. Find a therapist that's been doing it a while, they'll be able to put you at ease and be able to explain what's going on.

[CaliRaw]

Thanks dakini!

[Aleesha Sattva]

that video seemed pretty mild to me. didn't look like all that much came out of her to be honest. i would think they would have shown someone loosing parasites and waaaay more 'stuff' than that.

but thanks for posting it. it was great to see.

[Aleesha Sattva]

ok, i'll get graphic.:o
..........

good luck!

thank you so much! just what i (and obviously others) needed to hear!

[Stina]

A couple of quick points-

-I originally would lose five pounds a session! And that was at five foot four inches, weighing 150 pounds! I think a lot of it was mucous and a little would build back up.

The reason I occasionally resort to colon hydrotherapy is because when I slip back into eating junk food, I often find I can't stop. A session of colon hydrotherapy stops the cycle, and I think it rinses away some of the bad bacteria that's producing cravings. So, there's something to be said for it. When I fasted for ten days, I got several sessions of colon hydrotherapy and very old, black nasty stuff poured out of me. It was amazing.

It definitely helps the initial phase of eating raw. I would experience some cramping and the therapist would turn off the water until it would break through an area that had gotten clogged up.

Everyone should try it to experience it! And I put the tube up myself, she never sees my butt.

And cinnamon panda- you are hilarious!

[sbaker]

the music in that video is cracking me up!! i want one so bad but im pregnant:( i am curious on some questions that didnt get answered yet!!

how often would we HAVE to have one, can we do a few then go in for maintenance every 6 months or so?

And stina, 5lbs every time? how much came back? how often did you go?

[Stina]

the music in that video is cracking me up!! i want one so bad but im pregnant:( i am curious on some questions that didnt get answered yet!!

how often would we HAVE to have one, can we do a few then go in for maintenance every 6 months or so?

And stina, 5lbs every time? how much came back? how often did you go?
five pounds a blow out for the first few times, a couple would dribble back in with a few days since I was still cycling back and forth on junk food at that point and eating mucous forming foods. I was going frequently and it really helped me over a hump to the point where I am all raw almost all of the time, instead of the ugly binge eating I used to do. I think it shows there's a biological mechanism at work in the intestines tied into cravings.
I'd recommend going after eating junk food and to help yourself get back on track and also, very important, when you're feeling terrible from detoxing. It'll rinse out all of that loosened up mucoid plaque that is gumming up your blood supply and making you feel horrible. It moves detoxing along at a rapid rate so that we don't have to suffer.

[shooting star]

ooh I've just blogged about the benefits of colonics!

http://rawtransformation.wordpress.com/


My experience is that yes my stomach is flatter afterwards, but as bad habits creep back into my diet or I eat too many mushrooms I bloat up again. It is also great for when I am feeling a bit emotional after detox.

[aililiu]

wow, thanks for all the info everybody!
im planning on doing a session but not until FEBRUARY!
seems so far away but im teaming it with a fast and thats the right time to do it.
hopefully time goes by quickly :)

[tanishamarshall]

For all of you that had the Colon Therapy, how much did you pay and how long was your session? I now prices are different everywhere but I'm just interested in seeing the price range.

[shooting star]

In the UK I've paid between £60 and £75 for an hours session although that time does include a pre-treatment chat, getting changed and time to use the toilet afterwards. You probably get 30 mins treatment during an hours session.

I had a friend pay £40 for a session in someone's house. I think it posher spas in London it can be even more expensive.

To make a comparison, I would expect to pay about £35 to £40 for a massage or reflexology for an hour.

[tanishamarshall]

I always get mixed up with the UK Prices, but I'm guessing that in US Dollars that would be about $150.00 or so.

There is a clinic in Chicago,IL there sessions last 90 minutes, I need to find out how much they cost.

[shooting star]

I think it depends on the exchange rate between US and UK At the moment it is around 2:1 which makes things seem much more expensive in dollars than they are pounds.

One time I came to the US it was nearer 1:1 so £60 was roughly $60.

mmm - guess my last post wasn't too helpful :D

I would just call a few in your area and ask them what they charge!

[tanishamarshall]

That's ok Shooting Star I just wanted to see what others have paid, I didn't expect it to match what mine would cost here in Illinois.

[Stina]

It's $75 for just one, but if I pay out several hundred bucks, the price averages only $50. Still a lot of money for someone like me on a tight budget. but what's better to invest in than my health. Sessions lasted upwards of one hour.

[Aleesha Sattva]

hmmmm i'm considering it more seriously now... still really 'unsure' about the whole... exit being used as an entrance though.

[shooting star]

Well I got into it because my exit wasn't working as an exit!

[cinnamon panda]

$75 in so cal at my place. plus a tip. not sure about tipping, but hey if i tip my waxer i will tip my colon cleaner.

[cinnamon panda]

my girl recommends them once a month AFTER the intitial 5-10 sessions needed to clean out someone's colon that is transitioning. she went into detail explaining how you can't just go once and really make a huge difference, unless you've been raw a long time and have naturally cleaned out. as i read on some site, it's like cleaning off a pan of lasagna. you have to let it soak awhile.

i don't weigh myself, and my stomach is just flatter in general due to my diet. it does seem to stay flatter though after.

Lacy says that some ppl go every month and other people do a few sessions in a row every few months, it just depends on how they feel.

she goes on the 1st or 2nd day of her period b/c it lessens the pms and bloating, but i am hoping raw will fix that in time.

[cinnamon panda]

also that video was mild. my second session Lacy was shouting like we were on a safari.

"WHOAAA!!! LOOK AT THAT!!!!" or "HERE COMES A LOT!!!!!":eek: :eek: :eek: she would shout it proudly too.

so. believe me, if you have felt heavy or bloated like i have for the pass couple years, then it's going to be like a NFL event in there with all the cheering. humor is the only way for me to get through the session.

[Stina]

hmmmm i'm considering it more seriously now... still really 'unsure' about the whole... exit being used as an entrance though.

yeah, I agree with the general concept except I'm making up for decades of eating hot dogs and macaroni and cheese.

[Aleesha Sattva]

so... here's a question for you ladies (or men) who have already done this. you know those pics you see on the net of that long stringy brown plastic looking poop thing people pass after a colon cleansing with herbs.

first, is that real???

and second... do you pass that with this method as well?

[trinity082482]

Do POUNDS of poo literally get removed? If that is true I might try it. :eek:

[Aleesha Sattva]

yup... that's why they loose weight. it's feces stuck in the bowels/intestines.

[aililiu]

Well I got into it because my exit wasn't working as an exit!

LOL! thats classic.

ive got the opposite problem. wayyy too loose. would it help this as well?

[cinnamon panda]

the stringy stuff comes after multiple sessions, once you start to ingest herbs to help clean off the colon wall...so yes that stuff is real. my colon therapist calls it the alien stuff.

[Aleesha Sattva]

so what IS that stringy stuff? did you therapist tell you?

[Stina]

I've seen white globs out that have tendrils that the therapist said is candida. After fasting for many days, putried black stuff came out that I believe was the mucoid plaque. I'm sure it was caked-on stuff that was years old. I've personally never seen worms come out of me, but she says she sees them all the time with people.

[jaydee]

cinnamon panda described it to a "T"! I've had a few and you have to remember to relax. (I know, I sound like a doctor, right?) The results are well worth it. Seriously, do it!l

[Aleesha Sattva]

never heard of mucoid plaque until i can to this forum. i just did a search on it and it sounds like it doesn't really exist. cause wouldn't patholigists have seen it if it did?

confused???

[Dakini]

For all of you that had the Colon Therapy, how much did you pay and how long was your session? I now prices are different everywhere but I'm just interested in seeing the price range.

The woman I go to charges $70 for one hour (for me, one hour is plenty long enough).

For all the people that said that was pretty mild, it made me think, I'm always fascinated about what comes out of me during a colonic, but it gave me the creeps to see what comes out of someone else! I'd made a lousy colon therapist.

[Raw Angel Mom]

I finally got that done and will go back for another round this Friday.

I was in shoke to see that i had that stuff in me. I have been vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for one year and 100% raw for 6 months and i couldn't believe what came out. I got a headache though after that and the next day. I think this is because she injected chlorophyle that maybe wasn't organic, but you truly don't mind the side effect when you know that this stuff is out.

It wasn't too bad and i managed to overcome the embarrassment about that, this is more scary to have that stuff in then the treatment.

I am still dealing with alergies and just saw a little improvement about this. I am curious to see with this second round if it will be different. She charged $75. She was very professional and put you at ease.

I do recommend it to get that done, like someone mention, sometime in your kitchen you do need to rinse the garbage can once in a while and we do need to rinse our colon too.

After this, this is important to repopulate your system with the good bacteria.

Best wishes!

[Little Mango]

I would love to have one done. I am saving up for it. I have done an enema myself at home a couple of months ago and for a first attempt it produced great results so lord knows what would shoot out of me during a colonic. :eek: I know I'd be perfectly comfortable with it.

[aililiu]

little mango...
are enemas difficult to do?

i too am saving up for colonics but its going to take a while :o

[Little Mango]

Hi Aililiu,

I don't think they are difficult at all. As it was my first time I didn't retain the water for a long time coz at once I felt the need to release, but, A LOT was coming out. It was quite a good experience in fact. I watched and re watched Kate Wood's enema video for months before I had the guts to do it and it was really fine!:)

[CaliRaw]

I finally got that done and will go back for another round this Friday.

I was in shoke to see that i had that stuff in me. I have been vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for one year and 100% raw for 6 months and i couldn't believe what came out. I got a headache though after that and the next day. I think this is because she injected chlorophyle that maybe wasn't organic, but you truly don't mind the side effect when you know that this stuff is out.

It wasn't too bad and i managed to overcome the embarrassment about that, this is more scary to have that stuff in then the treatment.

I am still dealing with alergies and just saw a little improvement about this. I am curious to see with this second round if it will be different. She charged $75. She was very professional and put you at ease.

I do recommend it to get that done, like someone mention, sometime in your kitchen you do need to rinse the garbage can once in a while and we do need to rinse our colon too.

After this, this is important to repopulate your system with the good bacteria.

Best wishes!

Injected chlorophyle where? Do you have to fast before or after? Natalia Rose highly recommends colonics in her raw books.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Caliraw, The chlorophyle was injected the same way as the water. She used water at first then, used chlorophyle. I didn't like the feeling and it gave me headache.

I take chlorophyle naturally with greens and i don't have problem with it, so i don't know why i reacted from this except that i suspect that it wasn't organic or something else.

[CaliRaw]

It's $75 for just one, but if I pay out several hundred bucks, the price averages only $50. Still a lot of money for someone like me on a tight budget. but what's better to invest in than my health. Sessions lasted upwards of one hour.

That price doesn't sound too bad. If I could get a discount by buying a package of several, I'd most likely do that. This is all very interesting.

Thanks for the chorophyll clarification RAM.

[aililiu]

Hi Aililiu,

I don't think they are difficult at all. As it was my first time I didn't retain the water for a long time coz at once I felt the need to release, but, A LOT was coming out. It was quite a good experience in fact. I watched and re watched Kate Wood's enema video for months before I had the guts to do it and it was really fine!:)

could you possible send me a link to the video?
would i have to order the supplies online :confused:
i really think theyd do me good.

thanks a lot for the info :)

[KittyMommy]

I don't have a brand name or Web site, but I've seen at least one home-colonic kit. Personally, I can't imagine dealing with it.

[KittyMommy]

You said a mouthful.

[Little Mango]

could you possible send me a link to the video?
would i have to order the supplies online :confused:
i really think theyd do me good.

thanks a lot for the info :)

Ya, sure. Heres the link to her video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SD1QzlKkz_s

Also, I just ordered one of those simple Enema bags online from Shazzie. It was about £10, I think that's about $20.
http://detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/enema.html

[EZ rider]

You can get a "Cara" brand Water Bottle Combination at Walmart in the pharmacy dept for a very reasonable price. Here's a link to the product:

http://www.caraincorporated.com/lvl20.html

The Economy Combination - 2 quart, code #3, personal hygine and enema system #0-38056-00003-3, is the one Walmart carries.

[Aleesha Sattva]

okay i'm looking... once again at getting a colonic done. i don't really want to do it, or enemas for that matter... but i'm about to start a 92 day juice feast... so i guess i need to???

chime in here for those of you who've done these... i'd love to hear what you have to share.

[RawSinger]

I'm definitely going to get a colonic when I have the money.

[RawSinger]

cinnamon panda: where can I purchase the real deal herbs that clean the walls of your colon?

[cinnamon panda]

i bought mine from the colon place, they have "their" own brand...but this is what they are:
whole psyllium husks (huge container)
bentonite powder (medium container)
and 2 different herb blend capsules with various herbs for cleansing the digestive tract and detoxing.
like: wild strawberry herb, wild rhubarb root, red rasberry leaf, barberry root, bladderwack pods, fennel seed, ginger root, cayenne pepper fruit etc etc

and the other herb capsule has stuff in it that we eat anyway like beet root, kelp, dandelion leaf, chlorella broken cell algae, spirulina...etc etc

i think maybe if you just stocked up on some things from your local HFS, maybe speak with someone there to find the right mix...

hope that helps.

[scw3805]

Hi, not to butt;) in...I'm new here and am a colon hydrotherapist. About 5 of us just did a colon cleanse from Blessed Herbs and it WORKED. I've tried different cleanses for years and never got results like I did on this cleanse. www.blessedherbs.com Check out the testimonials and look at the photos. They are real.

[Aleesha Sattva]

thanks and welcome scw3805!

[beckx]

okay i'm looking... once again at getting a colonic done. i don't really want to do it, or enemas for that matter... but i'm about to start a 92 day juice feast... so i guess i need to???

chime in here for those of you who've done these... i'd love to hear what you have to share.

i've never had a colonic but have done a few enemas while juice feasting. the enema tube is really small; its just a tiny tube even thinner than your little finger. you might get a little cramping at first but you just breathe through it and massage your stomach a little... then hold it in as long as you can and sit on the toilet and let it out. easy. not my favorite thing, but i definitely don't mind it at all.

[cinnamon panda]

someone was asking about "mucoid plaque" here is something i just randomly read while reading up on chlorella. i was advised to take some by a raw dude at my local HFS. not sure if it is advocated by all or not, but um whew after like 2 days on the stuff. things are mooooving. crazy.
http://www.bio-sources.com/chlorelladetox
anyway the mucoid refererence is in here.

[ltcartwright]

I'm doing the Blessed Herbs cleansing kit. It removes the mucoid plaque in the colon (well, so far I have 5 more days to find out). I felt like I'd better get the most out of my cleansing apart from going to the doctor for it (my insurance won't cover it, and I can't afford it out of pocket right now) so I invested in the kit, which is more affordable for me. It has 3 ways to do the cleanse (a best, better, good) the "best" requires a 5 day organic AJ fast. That's what I begin tomorrow. So I'll come back to post my success. (Apparently some really impressive stuff is supposed to be released during the cleanse, I'm not sure I'm ready to see what's been causing me so much problems, but I'm just anxious to get myself cleaned out so that I can begin to feel better). I'm going to document it with photos (yuck!), but it'll be "proof " that it does or doesn't work.

For the interested.....
I'm glad I found this thread, in searching for an all natural colon cleanser (I was having major problems from a backup and my body was desperately wanting a cleanse, since I'd never done it before I had no clue where to begin). I did a Google search and found a company called Blessed Herbs. On the downloadable User Guide it had a section about diets, and "100% raw foods" were mentioned. Well, I knew it had nothing to do with meat, since the lady was vegan, but I still had no idea what it was.

So, I Googled "Raw foods" and my searching lead me to Alissa's main website. I was interested. This is where I found out about the RAW diet what it was and whether or not it would help me. So I tested it out for 2 weeks, and believe me I'm glad I finally found something that may be the key to ending my 20year struggle with my weight. I even bought the book and DVD before finding out about this forum. I'm day 5 Raw, with a 5 day juice only fast, then back to Raw at the end of my cleanse. Can't wait till my book and DVD arrives!!

[Aleesha Sattva]

i look forward to your results! What is a 5 day AJ fast?

[BeingK8]

I know this thread is really old, but as I say in all of my replies to older stuff, I'm not necessarily posting for any of you who were on this thread a while ago (years ago, now!) but for people doing searches in the future.

That said, I have quite a bit of personal experience with colonics and did pretty extensive research before starting with them, so I'm passing along my 2 cents for what that's worth to anyone. ;) Some of this is in the form of my personal free-flow thoughts and some will be in response to specific things others had posted.

I first want to clarify, (this may likely be clarified elsewhere on the site, but I haven't had time to review all of RFT, yet), but there is a difference between colonic and enemas.
Enemas don't go as deep or do as thorough a job as colonics. An enema will cleanse the lower part of the colon but a colonic can cleanse deeper - the entire length of the colon. An enema is one flush of water; a colonic is repeated flushings (until things "come clean" for that cleansing session, basically). It's the same as, say, washing a dirty dish that has food gunk stuck to it. If you had a squirt bottle or some sort of device (like a bag or bottle as used in an enema) and you squirted water from said device on the dish, you'd get some of the food gunk off, surely. If you had several bags of water to squirt at the dish, you'd get a great deal more gunk off the dish.
And really, I'm not sure that my analogy was that good because we're talking about water that kind of "sits" in the colon to flush stuff out. It may be more accurate to think of a tube with gunk in it. You could put water in it and cap the ends to hold the water one time and then let go so it flushed out, or you could do this process repeatedly. Which would be more effective?

Colonics seem "gross" and yea, they are. We can't really dispute that. But so is the stuff we did to our bodies all those years before we knew better and did better. We junked up our systems and this is a way to flush some of that out.

I use a Colema board and do colonics at home. Is it messy and nasty? Well, yea, kind of. BUT, I'm a mom who has changed diapers, cleaned up vomit, plunged plugged toilets and scooped horse manure into buckets to take home and put on my garden beds to grow really nutritious food in the spring. I don't think it's any worse than any of those jobs and I think the far-reaching benefits are much greater. My kid's diaper changed? Good in the moment, good for his psyche long-term. Cleansing my colon? Good after the fact and beneficial for years to come! ;-) LOL!

I sometimes do colonics with just filtered water, but I have also used bentonite clay. Ask me if you want to know more about that. This post is gonna be long to begin with, so I either have to split it all up or only answer aspects if anybody really wants to know.

For all of you that had the Colon Therapy, how much did you pay and how long was your session? I now prices are different everywhere but I'm just interested in seeing the price range.
around here, (SE Pennsylvania) sessions are about an hour for $70

so... here's a question for you ladies (or men) who have already done this. you know those pics you see on the net of that long stringy brown plastic looking poop thing people pass after a colon cleansing with herbs.

first, is that real???

and second... do you pass that with this method as well?
That's mucoid plaque and more will be said on that in a second. Keep reading! ;-) LOL!


Do POUNDS of poo literally get removed? If that is true I might try it. :eek:
Sometimes. But for more people than not (or so it seems in all the research I've done, people I've met and experience I've had) that's over many sessions total, so don't go into it thinking that you'll lose multiple pounds in one session of colon cleansing. That way, if you do lose that much after one session, it's a really GOOD DAY! :woohoo:


yup... that's why they loose weight. it's feces stuck in the bowels/intestines.
Yep. "Mucoid plaque" is a term sometimes used for this "ickiness." Mucoid is a term used to mean mucous-like. Think, "snot coming out of your nose when you have a TERRIBLE cold." "Plaque" is "hardened stuff that's stuck somewhere." "Plaque" forms on your teeth and your dentists scrapes it off with that metal picking tool s/he uses at your cleanings. Plaque is also what builds up in arteries (think "cholesterol") from eating fatty, (as in bad fats, like animal and hydrogenated and saturated fats), unhealthy, foods causing the narrowing of the arteries so blood can't flow properly. Plaque is also what improperly digested food causes in your intestines/colon.


ive got the opposite problem. wayyy too loose. would it help this as well?
It may well help greatly, along with restoring normal bacterial flora (putting the good "bugs," - microorganisms - back into your colon, in the form of a quality probiotic).

the stringy stuff comes after multiple sessions, once you start to ingest herbs to help clean off the colon wall...so yes that stuff is real. my colon therapist calls it the alien stuff.
The "stringy stuff" (since that's a pretty subjective term and not definitive) is likely either mucoid plaque or candida rhizome. The "stringy" part is what makes me say it's subjective. Mucoid plaque can look stringy when it's passing and the root-like structures of yeast that grow into the walls of the intestine can, also.


never heard of mucoid plaque until i can to this forum. i just did a search on it and it sounds like it doesn't really exist. cause wouldn't patholigists have seen it if it did?

Well, let me preface this part by saying that I am WAY TOO skeptical of modern medical science, the modern medical establishment, or Big Pharma.

Pathologists are only trained in SOME things and their education is influenced strongly by many factors, including what pharmaceutical companies want you to know, what modern medical science is based upon (please explore the objective history of medicine and alternatives to health), and the commonly accepted theories of pathology. Do not put all your eggs in one basket, cliche though that is to say. Modern pathology has its place and is incredibly beneficial...in SOME respects and for SOME things. I could go on for many pages about this, but will stop short. If you want to know more, please ask or search. I'd be happy to point you in the way of quality sources of information or give condensed forms of what I have spent years reasearching.


I finally got that done and will go back for another round this Friday.

I was in shoke to see that i had that stuff in me. I have been vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for one year and 100% raw for 6 months and i couldn't believe what came out. I got a headache though after that and the next day. I think this is because she injected chlorophyle that maybe wasn't organic, but you truly don't mind the side effect when you know that this stuff is out.

It wasn't too bad and i managed to overcome the embarrassment about that, this is more scary to have that stuff in then the treatment.

I am still dealing with alergies and just saw a little improvement about this. I am curious to see with this second round if it will be different. She charged $75. She was very professional and put you at ease.

I do recommend it to get that done, like someone mention, sometime in your kitchen you do need to rinse the garbage can once in a while and we do need to rinse our colon too.

After this, this is important to repopulate your system with the good bacteria.

Best wishes!
Yes, much of what you said is very helpful to many!
Being vegetarian or vegan doesn't mean that the colon is healthy. Many years of conventional eating have left behind lots of "ick" that the body cannot even process. Chocolate, especially the cheap kind of waxy chocolate that so many of us ate as kids long before we knew about natural and real health, contains wax that the body cannot process. That stuff often sits in the intestines. Colonics can help to remove it. Also, improper food combining causes food to putrefy (rot) in the intestines. When it does, it can often stay in the intestines or colon. Vegetarians often eat things like cheese that do not digest under the same conditions as rice, or spinach and that stuff "rots" and becomes some of that "mucoid plaque."
Really, I know one of the things I loves to eat as a vegetarian was rice with sauteed spinach topped with parmesan cheese. I was vegetarian, that was really healthy, right? Well...KINDA.


I don't have a brand name or Web site, but I've seen at least one home-colonic kit. Personally, I can't imagine dealing with it.
I mentioned Colema board because that is probably (my guess only) the most common brand. As far as dealing with it, I'm more than willing to share my experience with anyone who wants to know. It's not for everyone, this is true. :-)

[gin3]

I had a series done couple years ago and sadly felt no difference. I would love to be one of those people that feel fantastic afterward or even just a little different. But nope didn't happen for me. I had 6 of them. I thought maybe after the first I will feel different. Surely, after the second and third time but nope. If I hadn't bought a series I would have stopped after 3.

[RawMark]

I mentioned Colema board because that is probably (my guess only) the most common brand. As far as dealing with it, I'm more than willing to share my experience with anyone who wants to know. It's not for everyone, this is true. :-)

Please do. I've had a kit sitting in my basement for a couple of years. No instructions came with it and I have never had a colonic elsewhere. So I've put off using it.

[RawKnitster]

Find a licensed Hydro-Therapist that uses the gravity method. I had a series of 3 treatments. Would have done more but I couldn't afford more. The cost here was $80 per session.

The gravity method requires special equipment and is not invasive or painful as the standard method. The therapist takes you into a room, explains what to do and leaves. You undress from the waist down, lay on the special "bed", lubricate the tube and insert it yourself. It is about the thickness of a pencil and only goes in about half an inch. The way the bed is set up it can't go in any further. You cover yourself with a warm blankie. In a few minutes the therapist comes back in the room, checks the position of your hips on the bed, takes a discreet peek to see that the tube is positioned right, then turns on the water.

The water is warmed, and comes into you not by force, but simply by gravity. When you fill up, you will get the urge to exacuate, which you do by pushing gently as you would during a normal bowel movement. This continues over and over for 40 minutes. Once in a while you can use your hand to gently jiggle your lower abdomen. If you want, you can turn your head and watch what is coming out of you as it exits through a clear tube. My therapist came in to check on me about halfway through and was always discreet enough not to be there when I needed to push. There was a button to call the therapist in if I needed her.

About 20 minutes into each session I would get a fatiqued feeling and wondered if I wanted to continue, but this feeling would pass and the next 20 minutes would go by quickly and comfortably. After 40 minutes (and probably 20 fillups and evacuations) the therapist comes back in and turns the water off. You lay there a couple more minutes and contine to push out the water as needed. Get up slowly as you may feel lightheaded at first. A good facility will have a bathroom connected to the hydro room. You may need to sit on the toilet and go one more time and that is it.

This method is by far better than the other colonics that require the therapist to do the inserting, filling, and then make you hold it while you run to the bathroom. No thanks to that.

P.S. I know a good hydro-therapist in Bellingham that uses the gravity method.

[BeingK8]

RawMark, do you mean you have the tubing with the clamp on it, a weighted end, a thin, hard plastic piece like a drinking straw that has a few holes drilled in the end and a Colema board??? Just sitting in your basement? Break that stuff out and get to cleaning, baby! LOL!

Seriously, do you have all the supplies? I'm more than willing to give you details on how to use it all, if so. I'll save myself typing and typing (not much of a typist and really need to get outside and get the compost turned into the garden) until I find out that you do.

This is what you should have:
a long, (about 4 feet, I think it is), flexible tube that has a weight in one end (it does not HAVE to have that, but I can't quite come up with ideas for how you would keep it down in the bottom of the bucket you use for the water) This tubing should have a clamp on it about midway and it may also have a curved piece in it or it may be two pieces joined by a small, rigid C-shaped piece

A shorter piece of tubing that's more rigid and is slightly curved into a J (it's about 5 inches long or so)

A flexible piece of tubing about 4 inches that's same diameter as the LOOONG flexible tubing

A large syringe

A "straw-like," hard, thin, tube with small holes drilled in the sides of one end

A Colema board, although I guess you COULD do this process in a tub if you're willing to get out of the tub each time you have to expel. COULD get really messy if you have any mishaps, though. But it would be POSSIBLE to do this without a Colema board.

You also need to measure to make sure the board will fit in your bathroom. The bowl-shaped part with the hole in it fits over the toilet and the other end will have to rest on a folding chair. This can be tricky is you have a small bathroom. That's the ONE thing that the online sites that sell Colema equipment (or other brands) don't tell you.

Anyway, let me know!

[RawMark]

Thanks for the replies and the info! I really have to do it myself, because I live in a hick town and the no one here does anything like this professionally. I could possibly find a place that does it at the nearest city, but that's a full day's drive and I don't have a lot of spare time.

I have all of the gear, I think, but not a syringe. My wife recently cleared the basement, so I'll have to ask her where everything is and then go check what I have. :)

[modernmonkey]

I have my first colonic (only booked one) on the 13th April. I'm really excited! I just came off the master cleanse and will continue with a juice fast right up until the date to maximise my results.

I believe in mucoid plaque because I passed mucoid linings several times on my cleanse. I DON'T believe the snakey things in the photos are mucoid plaque. I believe they are the psyllium bentonite consumed. But I do believe the psyllium bentonite grabs onto pieces of mucoid plaque, toxins and debris and drags it out with itself .

I don't even believe the poop like stuff I passed on my cleanse was necessarily old faeces but more likely the lemonade and laxatives BUT I believe they too were grabbing on to smaller unnoticeable toxins, moulds, fungi, bacteria that were living within my intestines.

[BeingK8]

modernmonkey, I'd agree with you if everyone who had passed the "snakes" had consumed psyllium and bentonite! ;-)

And gross, but interesting story that your bit about the lemonade and laxatives grabbing junk and dragging it out made remember:

A few years ago, one of the ways a friend and I got into colon cleansing was through an acquaintance of ours who had colon hydrotherapy and describes, in detail, the POUNDS of WAX that came out her from her many years of eating waxy, junk, chocolate. GROSS, but convinced me that stuff that we consume before we learn about raw and alternative health stays in there unless and until we do something to clean it out.

[michigan roman]

K8 ive just skimmed over your post in this thread and from breif glance it sounded like you were describing a bucket and tube type home colonic set up

so i figured ide post this below link to a kit which converts shower head fixture into a colonic system :

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link didnt work so i'll redo

[michigan roman]

functioning link



http://www.amazon.com/Enema-Shower-System-extra-nozzle/dp/B002FCN7Y2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1301290521&sr=8-1

[michigan roman]

this type system people use a 5 gallon bucket in shower with a custom toilet seat afixed , sold at camping or hunting suppliers , to evacuate . then when completed empty bucket in toilet / clean

[Arky]

Let me preface what I am about to say by making it clear that I am not saying colon hydrotherapy does not work or does not remove certain deposits from the colon. It undoubtedly has its place, and has undoubtedly helped many people achieve improved health, even healing. I've nothing against it. Bernard Jensen (someone for whom I have enormous respect) was a proponent of colema boards, for example, which, whilst not identical, are aiming at the same basic premise of flushing toxins and detritus from the bowel, so that the body may divert its energies towards healing rather than battling with unnecessary sources of toxicity.

With that said...

I agree with modernmonkey and BeingK8:

The stuff you see people going on and on about on the internet, calling it 'mucoid plaque' is, in my experience, nothing more than the congealed psyllium seed husk which has been ingested as part of a popular cleanse. Now, I don't dispute that this psyllium husk might have removed certain deposits from the colon during its travels through the body, and I do acknowledge that the altered colour of it might suggest as much, but, fundamentally, the great strings of rubbery detritus that you see people proudly photographing are nothing more than congealed psyllium husk. I say this as someone who did several of these cleanses with a very open mind.

What led me to the above conclusion, then?

1) I experimented by using exactly the same herbs, but omitted the psyllium husk from the cleanse. Guess what? Some diarrhea but NO so-called 'mucoid plaque'

2) I placed my psyllium husk mixture in a cup and instead of drinking it after mixing with water/juice, I decided to leave it to stand for an hour or so. I'm not even going to tell you what I discovered from this little experiment - do it for yourself and tell me what you find! (TIP: LEAVE a teaspoon standing in the mixture)


As far as the colon hydrotherapy is concerned, after fasting on carrot juice for 3 days (yes, I know about the hybrid sugars etc., but I decided to go ahead with it anyway, on this occasion), I went for a professional colon hydrotherapy session and the clinician struggled and struggled, for almost 35mins, to get anything to exit my system. Even then, the whole session expelled only less than one cup of debris. That taught me a lot - my body, when provided with the right cleansing juices, and not fed with excess glutinous starches etc, is (for the most part) surprisingly capable of cleansing the bowel/colon itself. Perhaps my experience is an anomaly, but I doubt it. I suspect that, provided it is not abused with unhealthy food substances, the human body is far more effective at cleansing the bowel than it is often given credit for.

I acknowledge that some people do experience healing crises after colon hydrotherapy sessions, but for those of us who eat a relatively clean diet (I'm by no means perfect, nor would I wish to be), and who are willing to fast on juices every now and then, I suspect a colon hydrotherapy session may turn out to be a rather underwhelming experience. It's likely that a substantial proportion of the general detritus that may be seen exiting the bowel during a hydrotherapy session may be nothing more than the usual contents of the digestive system just passing through, as they should.

Thus, my take on it now is that if you have a specific health concern in the bowel area:

1) by all means try colon hydrotherapy, but don't get your hopes up too much, as it may not be as efficacious as you've been led to believe, if you've been enthused by pictures of so-called 'mucoid plaque' on the internet, and thus led to believe that you have several feet of rubbery detritus in your colon, too, that needs 'washing out'.

2) it might turn out that colon hydrotherapy does, in fact, remove something from you which does prove to have a beneficial effect on your health. Great. Only one way to find out and that's to give it a try.

3) if you do decide to go for a colon hydrotherapy session, for the first time, then I suggest you at least consider doing as I did (provided you know you are healthy enough) - perhaps fast on juices, of your own choosing, for a period of 2-3 days, with no intake of solid foods. Then go to the colon hydrotherapy session and see what (if anything) comes out. That way, you won't run the risk of assuming that whatever is flushed out is old debris, rather than the innocent temporary contents of the bowel after eating food. If, after juice-fasting, you expel lots of debris during the hydrotherapy, then that might be a clear indicator that a series of sessions might benefit you.

4) don't believe the endless web-pages touting pics of 'mucoid plaque' - you can quickly divest yourself of such beliefs by performing the simple experiment I mentioned - place a couple of tablespoons of psyllium husk in a cup, add water and leave for at least an hour, and see what happens.

5) if you do have a problem with constipation, parasites or candida etc., then by all means try colon hydrotherapy but in addition to this, it is of the utmost importance to check that your liver and gallbladder are functioning correctly, because impeded bile flow means:

* impeded liver detoxification

* impeded immune function (as a consequence of impeded liver detoxification) - obviously, this has ramifications for candida sufferers etc. Too many times, one sees individuals in the natural health movement trying to overcome candida by using certain herbs, oils, isolates etc, with little or no consideration given to the underlying mechanisms which may have allowed candida to gain a foothold in the body in the first place. Without addressing these, it's a never-ending, and rarely-successful, battle.

* impeded ability to kill and expel parasites, since bile is a key factor in the bodys ability to undertake this task

* Fatigue / lethargy

* Unhealthy stool consistency etc.

* Bloatedness after meals

* Psoriasis

* IBS

* potential constipation because bile stimulates bowel peristalsis


...the list goes on. Notice how many of the above are often attributed, more simplistically, to a bowel in need of cleansing, when, in reality, this is only one potential step in the process of rectifying the health issue in question. Many people do not realise that bowel problems do not necessarily mean one should simply seek to 'clean' the bowel, as it were, but rather that this is only one step in restoring bowel function to normal. The same goes for probiotics - they often provide valuable symptomatic relief but not a lasting solution. Very often, the underlying factor that led to bowel issues may be something like gallstones, parasites in the gallbladder and/or pancreas, or liver flukes impeding liver detoxification and/or bile flow (and of course there are many other potential factors, but the general point is that bowel issues do not necessarily have their point of origin within the bowel. The body is more systemic than it is isolatory, in its mode of operation. I myself didn't understand or appreciate these factors until my body forced me to find answers to my own health issues.

But, just to tie this in, full-circle, a bowel which is full of toxins can obviously put the detoxification capacities of the liver under strain - so it can be a two-way street and I feel that is the perspective Bernard Jensen may have been working from when he promoted the benefits of bowel-cleansing -i.e. the bowel may already have been working moderately ok, but just not sufficently well to avoid placing unecessary detox burden on the liver, and a cleansed liver is generally the primary task for anyone to accomplish when beginning to recover from most illnesses. One begets the other, for better or worse.



Lastly, back to the colonics themselves, for anyone doing this at home, please, please be very careful, patient and gentle when inserting the tube and remember to apply lubricant to it - I wouldn't recommend petroleum jelly as this isn't great to use internally and will potentially degrade the material from which the tube is made. KY or even coconut oil or similar (obviously being careful to decant it prior to use, to avoid cross-contamination) can be used.

Nothing to be afraid of but just be very careful. All the best to anyone trying this at home, and make sure you have a couple of old towels available. My bucket and tube is a German one with instructions only in German, which made the first effort interesting, but fortunately I can read diagrams ok! ;)

[Aleesha Sattva]

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Thank you Arky!

[BeingK8]

K8 ive just skimmed over your post in this thread and from breif glance it sounded like you were describing a bucket and tube type home colonic set up

so i figured ide post this below link to a kit which converts shower head fixture into a colonic system :



Yes, exactly. Gravity flow system. Very curious about the logistics of doing this with shower head...hmmmm....


And Arky, EXCELLENT POST!!! That will be so beneficial for anyone new to the concept who is curious about the whole process and wondering if it is for them. You're super objective and realistic, IMHO.

[Arky]

Thanks, Aleesha & BeingK8,

I hope one or two people can take a shortcut by learning here what I had to learn the hard way :(


I forgot to mention in my post that another aspect of impeded bile flow is its relationship with certain instances of IBS - bile carries carbonates to the bowel which have been secreted, for example, by the pancreas (in response to the hormone secretin). If not enough bile is secreted then insufficient carbonates can reach the duodenum and the bowel, which means that acidic foods, and those for which a high degree of stomach acidity has been employed for initial breakdown, cannot have their pH modified correctly. (A quick look at an anatomy textbook will reveal that the bile duct converges with the pancreatic duct, and thus the functioning of the pancreas is closely intertwined with that of the biliary system - http://tinyurl.com/4v2xchz).

This has at least 2 effects:

1) the pancreas secretes digestive enzymes partly according to the pH of the food chyme. If it is incorrectly signaled by a low pH, it may thus secrete inappropriate enzymes for the food type which passes by the pancreas into the duodenum. This leads to poor break down of chyme and poor absorption of the food molecules. If large food molecules reach the sensitive tissues of the bowel (where a substantial proportion of the immune system is involved), then these large molecules have the potential to be interpreted by the immune system as 'foreign invading particles', so-to-speak. One common response of the immune system is that of inflammation...

Added to this, poor modulation of chmye pH can lead to a change in pH of the bowel, favouring some microbes over others, and if unhealthy microbes overrun the healthy ones, then this, too can lead to inflammation, particularly since many such microbes excrete toxins which themselves lead to inflammation. In my view, and based on personal experience, I suspect that it is this altering of the pH of the bowel which makes probiotic supplementation beneficial in reducing inflammation, but which leads to the supplementation having to be almost continual, as the beneficial bacteria are fighting a losing battle in a bowel of inappropriate pH.

2) food chyme which remains overly acidic can burn the epithelial layers of the duodenum and the bowel.

Without knowing the underlying mechanism, many IBS sufferers nonetheless know not to eat acidic foods (citrus, tomatoes, sauerkraut etc.).



Obviously, the term 'IBS' actually covers a fairly wide spectrum of bowel symptoms, with varying underlying causes, so I don't mean to imply that everyone with inflammatory conditions of the bowel necessarily has bile insufficiency as an underlying cause (parasites and food sensitivities are other possible causes, for example). All I'm saying is that there is a good degree of potential overlap involved in many of the spectrum of inflammatory bowel conditions, and it is very beneficial to be aware of some of the issues discussed in this thread, so as to be better able to seek suitable diagnoses, rather than simply thinking one needs to focus exclusively on cleaning the bowel etc. whenever bowel symptoms occur in a patient's life.


I picked up various pieces of this jigsaw puzzle from numerous sources, but if were now to recommend just a couple of sources for someone to investigate, if they feel this topic relevant to them, then a reasonable number of the pieces are drawn together by the following:

1) Andreas Moritz's book 'The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush' (though I disagree with his actual flushing method, the book contains a fair bit of useful background info. More on this in another thread here on rawfoodtalk: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=64426)

2) The 3-part series of 'Glytamins' videos on YouTube. They're very commercialised, but, in spite of this, very informative all the same, and thus well worth a quick viewing.


Apologies if this post seems a little off-topic, given that the original thread title is about colon therapy, but I hope I'll be forgiven, as it seems relevant, due to the fact that many people suffering bowel issues are first inclined to focus on 'cleansing the bowel', so one or two of these people may benefit from knowing a little background in their quest for improved health.


Wishing you all good health...









P.S. funny thing - I hadn't noticed how old this thread is until I re-read through the entire thread (great post #18, BeingK8! :) ). I'm glad it was resurrected as I too feel it is extremely relevant for those seeking answers who are new to colon/bowel health issues.

[Arky]

I just noticed a good summary of a personal experience of colon cleansing at the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/6cr66ot

[BeingK8]

I just noticed a good summary of a personal experience of colon cleansing at the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/6cr66ot

HAHA! I remember reading that YEARS ago and it's one of the things that got me into the raw life AND colon hydro.

I started studying raw and the things raw foodists get into YEARS before practicing any of the habits. Shazzie was one of the inspiring people who I followed to learn all about it.

[Arky]

LOL! - don't tell anyone, but, just between you and me, K8, I posted that link secretly-tongue-in-cheek, coz Shazzie is so irreverant in that article.

I know she's ruffled feathers in the raw community, here and there, and she's no saint, but I like someone who shakes things up once in a while, it does good for people to waken from their comfort zone every now and then :)

...and the pic in that article..I'd forgotten how cheeky it is! (in spite of the Photoshop manipulation... ;) )


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[BeingK8]

LOL! - don't tell anyone, but, just between you and me, K8, I posted that link secretly-tongue-in-cheek, coz Shazzie is so irreverant in that article.

I know she's ruffled feathers in the raw community, here and there, and she's no saint, but I like someone who shakes things up once in a while, it does good for people to waken from their comfort zone every now and then :)

...and the pic in that article..I'd forgotten how cheeky it is! (in spite of the Photoshop manipulation... ;) )



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Ditto everything you said! ;-)

[vanessavy]

I was in a large toilet/contraption. Laid on my back with a tube in me that flushed water in and then waste came out. I personally thought it was way to traumatic and since I have interstitial cystitis the water messed me up for a few days. I wish I could do it though because I am severely backed up, my doctors are always freaking out when I do xrays and it is just black in my intestines.

[Arky]

I was in a large toilet/contraption. Laid on my back with a tube in me that flushed water in and then waste came out. I personally thought it was way to traumatic and since I have interstitial cystitis the water messed me up for a few days. I wish I could do it though because I am severely backed up, my doctors are always freaking out when I do xrays and it is just black in my intestines.

Vanessa, have you checked you don't have biliary issues or magnesium deficiency?

Insufficiency of bile can contribute to constipation, since bile naturally stimulates bowel peristalsis.

Magnesium deficiency is also commonly associated with constipation.

If you have (chronic?) cystitis, that may suggest a compromised immune system - might be worth considering if you have nutrient deficiencies leading to that, or indeed some toxic exposure which may be suppressing immune function (heavy metals are a classic example).

[michigan roman]

arky how much do we owe you for all this great info , like a million bucks :-)

* rft i like the basic old smileys better , they allow more accurate expression

[Arky]

arky how much do we owe you for all this great info , like a million bucks :-)

* rft i like the basic old smileys better , they allow more accurate expression

Hey, you have 2.5x as many posts as me - give yourself a pat on the back, not me! lol

Nice to see you're still around - I rarely am, these days.

And I totally agree about the smileys, BTW...

[Arky]

This thread seems strangely quiet - are there really so few RFT-ers subjecting themselves to the tender mercies of their local colon therapist?

You don't know what you're missing until you've tried it! ;-)

[Arky]

Speaking only for myself, I've now come to the conclusion that there is nothing a colon hydrotherapist can do for me that I cannot accomplish at home with a high (or should that be 'huge' ? ;-) LOL ) enema.

I have arrived at this conclusion over the past year or so of doing fairly frequent high enemas (for very specific liver-related reasons).

Going back a few years, I was of the belief that only a qualified colon hydrotherapist would be able to achieve effective results (if, indeed, effective results were viable at all), not just because of their training and experience but also because of their professional equipment. But having grown more fully accustomed to the process of using a simple 'bucket-and-tube' method, I've come to realise that there really isn't any appreciable difference in the process or the results.

None of this is to disrespect colon hydrotherapists. Not at all. Very few people in this day and age will ever have reason, or the urge, to undertake regular high enemas at home, and thus will not attain worthwhile famliarity with the self-administered procedure. These people may thus benefit significantly from having a qualified professional undertake the task on their behalf, on the infrequent instances that these patients may feel a colon enema/hydrotherapy session warranted.

Is there anyone else here on RFT that feels a home-administered high-enema can be every bit as good as a professional colon hydrotherapy session, or am I alone/ just delusional? (it's OK, you can call me delusional if you like :-D)

I find my coffee enemas to be wonderful for supporting liver function. Again, I don't do this casually; I have specific reason for doing it.


Aleesha, you were the original poster - what conclusions did you arrive at, in the end?

[Arky]

Incidentally, to anyone new to enemas, who may be reading this, the main things that require practice, and thus become easier and more efficient over time, are accurate (and safe) insertion of the tube, and learning to control the natural spasms of the bowel in response to influx of fluids.

I'm happy to elaborate if anyone is curious, but otherwise I'll leave it at that.

[brydee]

Im thinking I may need to have one in the future, or probably should do, it is interesting to read this thread. I have been reading alot of things against colon therapy(not purposely) and part of me would fear doing more damage.

[Arky]

Im thinking I may need to have one in the future, or probably should do, it is interesting to read this thread. I have been reading alot of things against colon therapy(not purposely) and part of me would fear doing more damage.


There are always opposing opinions from different quarters, on any topic.


What concerns do you have, on the basis of what you have read?

Within reason, it's healthy for us to discuss pros and cons in this forum, so, personally, I welcome it.

[Arky]

brydee, did you ever go ahead with colon cleansing of any sort?