Daughter has type I diabetes, Ex won't help, I need help

[MrGreenJeans]

Hi,
Not sure if this is O.K. to post this here but am sad. I've tried telling my ex wife (divorced since '95) how raw lifestyle could help our daughter get off insulin. The ex is vegetarian but I think eats meat now and then. I've tried to get her interested in raw for our daughter's sake but she either says she is too busy to check it out or won't even respond when I gently e-mail her about the topic.

I wonder what her daughter will think when her daughter is 60 (if she lives that long), is blind, and has both feet amputated just because her mother was too busy to help or just didn't care.

I'm really sad right now because I know my daughter will not listen to me. I will just continue to be raw and hopefully they will see the positive aspects of it.

If any of you have any words of comfort at all I sure would appreciate it. I love my dear daughter and would move the world for her. She just turned 15 and got diseased at 9.

[Tootsie]

http://www.rawfor30days.com/

For someone who is 15 sometimes a video is an easy, inspiring way to hear a message. Check out the above and see if you think she might respond. One of the people in the film was cured of Type I.

[Dakini]

Sorry to hear about your daughter. It's very frustrating to know that something might help her and that she isn't interested in trying it out.

Do you share custody? Could you turn her on to raw gourmet foods when you're with her? Take her to some great raw food restaurant with some nice young vegan eye candy? That might convert her.

[justinesmith]

I am so sorry to hear that you are struggling. You sound like you are doing the best you can and that is all you can do. Have some peace knowing that you are setting a wonderful example and hopefully one day your daughter will understand. Peace to you and I hope all goes well....

[beppa66]

It sounds like you're a great dad who's doing the best he can. (((HUGS)))
You are setting a great example for her. I wouldn't be surprised if she came around in the future, give her a year or two. That age is pretty tricky to begin with.

[MrGreenJeans]

Thank all of you dear friend for your very kind words. Tonight I made a mock raw strawberry short cake and it was so delicious! I called the ex to see if I could bring some down (trying to entice her and daughter to go raw) but she would have none of it. Oh well, I tried. I guess I'm just going to have to prove it works in my own life as I live it in front of them.

I raised my daughter from when she came home from the hospital as an infant until the divorce, on nothing but vegetarian home made meals with homemade almond milk etc every day (and breast milk . . . but not mine!). She was never sick. When her mother left she took the child and she was in and out of the hospital constantly. She got fatter and fatter and I told them she was going to get diabetes if they didn't quit stuffing food down her mouth. They wouldn't listen. Well, I was right. Now I'm right again about raw and they again won't listen. What on earth does it take for these fools to finally get a clue? Sorry for crying on your computerized shoulders :D but I guess I am just really frustrated right now. I need to chill out.

I am going to show my daughter the movie. Thank you ever so much to pointing me to that!

MrGreenJeans

[Marcus]

GreenJeans,

Your ex is vegetarian? Hey, you're 80% of the way home. Start the conversation right there. Get into a discussion of the benefits of being vegetarian, because there are MANY, even a cooked vegetarian.

Then start working in the raw lifestyle in bits and pieces. Surely your ex would not object to a delicious fruit salad, or the hundreds of combinations of leafy greens and other raw veggies. Ahhhh man, the options here are endless.

Don't demand 100% raw right from the start. Your daughter can find healing on mostly raw, and even on vegetarian. A little meat is a small price to pay if your daughter is going to be consuming generous quantities of raw fruits & veggies daily.

Raising kids in a divided environment like you have Suuuuucks (I'm a step-dad with my own story), but you have a starting place with your vegetarian ex to work with that I could only dream about.

I see a LOT of hope and potential here for your daughter's healing. Approach the ex on her "vegetarian terms" and work into raw (slowly) from there.

Marcus

[dalimeindacoconut]

Hi Ross, I know how frustrating it can be to want to be an influence on your daughter and what you may or may not be aware of is you are. It's just not going to happen in your time. My daughter is now 25. To my huge surprise everything good I did with her was an influence. She is now following in my footsteps not exactly, but the seed was planted and it is growing. Your daughter may not change now, but she is watching you. No, they don't want to listen to us, their just getting us back for not listening to our parents. I realized what my dad was trying to say to me at 23 by the time I was 40, I got it. Because of her situation she may listen to you sooner. She doesn't have much longer to go before she can make her own decision. Just do what you have to do. You are her father for a reason. You are her teacher. Tell her all the pro's and cons of her disease and that you believe you have a way out for her. Give her the names of websites. She'll hate you, but just keep doing it. She knows you love her and more importantly what you teach her now will be passed down throughout generations. Now that's important.

[juliebove]

You are taking a really fatalistic view on things. MOST diabetics do not go blind and lose their limbs. Chances are if your daughter controls her blood sugar, this won't happen.

Also, she has type 1. That means she will have to use insulin or die. Why? Her body doesn't produce any of its own. I do not believe for an instant that eating raw foods is going to make her body start producing insulin.

[juliebove]

Thank all of you dear friend for your very kind words. Tonight I made a mock raw strawberry short cake and it was so delicious! I called the ex to see if I could bring some down (trying to entice her and daughter to go raw) but she would have none of it. Oh well, I tried. I guess I'm just going to have to prove it works in my own life as I live it in front of them.

I raised my daughter from when she came home from the hospital as an infant until the divorce, on nothing but vegetarian home made meals with homemade almond milk etc every day (and breast milk . . . but not mine!). She was never sick. When her mother left she took the child and she was in and out of the hospital constantly. She got fatter and fatter and I told them she was going to get diabetes if they didn't quit stuffing food down her mouth. They wouldn't listen. Well, I was right. Now I'm right again about raw and they again won't listen. What on earth does it take for these fools to finally get a clue? Sorry for crying on your computerized shoulders :D but I guess I am just really frustrated right now. I need to chill out.

I am going to show my daughter the movie. Thank you ever so much to pointing me to that!

MrGreenJeans

People do not get diabetes because they are fat. If that were the case, then all fat people would have it. And why do you feel the need to insult people just because they don't agree with what your views are?

[MrGreenJeans]

Hi Julielove,
Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. Even thoughts to the contrary of mine are important. I am of the opinion that type I diabetes can be cured through diet. You are of the opinion that is not so. That is O.K. with me.

I'm sorry but I don't see the corolary between what I wrote above and how I was insulting anyone. However, there is a corolary in the scientific community between obese children and the rise in diabetes in the world. There might be a reason why some weight challenged (is that less offensive?) kids do not get diabetes and some do. Some kids who are very slender still get diabetes. It just does not help to be weight challenged. Being a father who raised my daughter from an infant, I do believe I know her better than anyone. The fact that she did get diabetes after I warned her mother and grandparents that such a lifestyle will give her diabetes, I'd say I was correct in my understanding.
But, it could be the extreme weight gain she got under their supervision did not cause the diabetes. Maybe it just made it so her body could not fight off all the other crap they were giving her.

But like I say, I do believe that type I diabetes is curable through diet and no one can make me believe otherwise unless they have absolute scientific proof.

Thanks for your thoughts as they are important. I'm sorry if you thought I was isulting weight challenged people. That was not my intent.

Peace to you,

MrGreenJeans

[menvili]

Hi everybody, Hí MrGreenJeans
Greetings from Hungary. I'm in this topic because my daughter has the same illness. She is now 18 and diab started when she was 13. I totally understand you because I'm a father too, and I know what are you feeling for your daughter. I'm a better position because we are living together. We are on raw since the end of aug. We found this site when we red Boutenko' book Raw family. Their son Sergei also had this diab, but healed with raw food. Maybe your daughter can read this story, and visit the site www.rawfamily.com . Sergei has own website, he is hiking bikeing etc. Youcan see. I agree that teen age is very complicate, but if you always show her a good sample, if she can feel that your love is not a show, but reality (you love her not with words but with good samples, godd works, you know whwt I mean) it will help. And also if you believe in God you can pray for her, Ibelieve that God is the best doctor. And also ery important that nutrition is only one-eighth. Also very important exercise, water, sunlight, temperance, air, rest and trust in divine power. (NEWSTART) www.newstart.com (Weimar Institute)
Before raw we were vegan 7 years and before vegan 13 years vegetarian.
Kathy now use half of her insulin dose before.
I believe this way will heal her. Be patient, your condition much worser, because your ex is not cooperative. BUT YOUR SAMPLE IS VERY IMPORTANT!!


William

[MrGreenJeans]

Hi William!
So nice to hear from you. I look forward to your thoughts on this subject. My daughter's glucose readings bounce all over the place from over 400 to as low as 30 something. It is really scary. But she is very active in sports and cheerleading so that helps. We/she work(s) really hard to keep a handle on it all.
So are there many raw foodists in Hungary?

[SharonC]

MrGreenJeans, love your spunk and determination!

With your example and guidance, it is very possible that your daughter will respond. There are many people in my life who I thought never would, but slowly they have - it sometimes takes time.

Thought you may be interested in this information...
Astonished researchers report capsaicin injections cure Type 1 diabetes in mice http://www.newstarget.com/021345.html

Take care,
Sharon

[trinity082482]

You can't really help people who refuse to help them selves. But at only 15 years old.. If I were 15.. I personally wouldn't have understand your point of view or maybe even believe in the raw food diet... Maybe she will come around. :o

[juliebove]

Hi Julielove,
Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. Even thoughts to the contrary of mine are important. I am of the opinion that type I diabetes can be cured through diet. You are of the opinion that is not so. That is O.K. with me.

I'm sorry but I don't see the corolary between what I wrote above and how I was insulting anyone. However, there is a corolary in the scientific community between obese children and the rise in diabetes in the world. There might be a reason why some weight challenged (is that less offensive?) kids do not get diabetes and some do. Some kids who are very slender still get diabetes. It just does not help to be weight challenged. Being a father who raised my daughter from an infant, I do believe I know her better than anyone. The fact that she did get diabetes after I warned her mother and grandparents that such a lifestyle will give her diabetes, I'd say I was correct in my understanding.
But, it could be the extreme weight gain she got under their supervision did not cause the diabetes. Maybe it just made it so her body could not fight off all the other crap they were giving her.

But like I say, I do believe that type I diabetes is curable through diet and no one can make me believe otherwise unless they have absolute scientific proof.

Thanks for your thoughts as they are important. I'm sorry if you thought I was isulting weight challenged people. That was not my intent.

Peace to you,

MrGreenJeans

Well, for starters I am diabetic. I just get tired of hearing people say that diabetics got that way from being fat. There is the school of thought that type 2 diabetes causes you to become overweight because of the insulin resistance.

Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and is caused by a virus. Most people with type 1 are not overweight at all and many are underweight.

[goyethere4raw]

Hi Julielove,
Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. Even thoughts to the contrary of mine are important. I am of the opinion that type I diabetes can be cured through diet. You are of the opinion that is not so. That is O.K. with me.

I'm sorry but I don't see the corolary between what I wrote above and how I was insulting anyone. However, there is a corolary in the scientific community between obese children and the rise in diabetes in the world. There might be a reason why some weight challenged (is that less offensive?) kids do not get diabetes and some do. Some kids who are very slender still get diabetes. It just does not help to be weight challenged. Being a father who raised my daughter from an infant, I do believe I know her better than anyone. The fact that she did get diabetes after I warned her mother and grandparents that such a lifestyle will give her diabetes, I'd say I was correct in my understanding.
But, it could be the extreme weight gain she got under their supervision did not cause the diabetes. Maybe it just made it so her body could not fight off all the other crap they were giving her.

But like I say, I do believe that type I diabetes is curable through diet and no one can make me believe otherwise unless they have absolute scientific proof.

Thanks for your thoughts as they are important. I'm sorry if you thought I was isulting weight challenged people. That was not my intent.

Peace to you,

MrGreenJeans

Mr. GreenJeans, I can sympathize with you because I too am the parent of a type 1 diabetic. Though, I do feel that he has been much improved via a raw food diet (when he practices it), he has not been able to completely get off of his insulin. He has been able to greatly reduce the quantities. I am still holding out for healing via divine intervention and doing what we can ourselves. However, I do believe that you may be a bit confused between the differences of type 1 as opposed to type 2. I don't know how old your daughter is or when she was diagnosed, but, the weight gain usually results in type 2 diabetes which used to be called adult onset and is mostly completely able to be controlled via diet and exercise. However, type 1 is a lot different. In fact, most type 1 diabetics that I know are underweight, not overweight. My son is so extremely skinny at 6% bodyfat that it is a struggle continually to keep fat on him even enough to support his vital organs. Are you sure your daughter has type 1? In type 1, the body does not produce insulin at all, or in such small amounts that the body does not even recognize it. Type 2, the body produces insulin, but is insulin resistant. In fact, the body over produces the insulin, but the body for various reasons does not absorb the insulin that is produced and thus produces even more. The studies that you were speaking of about kids getting fatter and getting diabetes were talking about type 2. Type 1 comes from a virus that destroys the pancreas and renders it useless as far as producing insulin, thus, the insulin has to be introduced into the body by other means. Having said that, there are actually foods that act as insulin for the body, yes, raw foods, but few kids are willing to eat totally that way. My son is not, though he is close and I a very grateful for that.

Just live the life before your daughter and give her bits and pieces of information as you can. As far as your ex wife, there are probably other issues as to why she will not listen to it coming from you, but remember, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar (wink wink). You have lived with her, you know her soft spots....use them to help your daughter even if it means swallowing some pride, getting a stiff upper lip and bitting your nails! The end result could be a better relationship with her which will lead to a better one with your daughter who is the ultimate goal.

Just my thoughts.

Angel

[mulch]

that is really good advice angel
i was about to post about how people get confused between type 1 and type 2
i do have a little tidbit to add however
if she exercises then she can use less insulin since the muscles can uptake glucose aka sugar without the help of insulin. however if she is type 1, then one must be
EXTREMELY careful to monitor her glucose level because they can bottom out easier-->ketoacidosis

i second what angel said
be nicer to your ex and she will listen
don't continue to be the guy that she holds contempt for

good luck
keep raw

[goyethere4raw]

that is really good advice angel
i was about to post about how people get confused between type 1 and type 2
i do have a little tidbit to add however
if she exercises then she can use less insulin since the muscles can uptake glucose aka sugar without the help of insulin. however if she is type 1, then one must be
EXTREMELY careful to monitor her glucose level because they can bottom out easier-->ketoacidosis

i second what angel said
be nicer to your ex and she will listen
don't continue to be the guy that she holds contempt for

good luck
keep raw


I agree absolutely about the exercise. My son has also helped to reduce his insulin by exercising, and you are also right about making sure that the blood sugar is monitored closely during exercise because he does bottom out and then that is a whole new set of problems! Ketoacidosis is when there are too many ketones and that comes with too high glucose levels. He has been there too, as have I.

[verseaurainbows]

Type 1 diabetes has nothing to do with being fat or putting on weight

I know its been said, but this gets ANNOYING for type 1 diabetics to have to explain

TYPE TWO is different and MAY be brought on, or at least not helped, by an increase in weight and horrible junk food. But type 1, usually first noticed in babies, children and young adults, is not

Just to clarify here


Good luck for your daughter. Raw WOULD help her, but i doubt it could take her off insulin completely. We live in hope, though

[menvili]

Hi Mr Greenjeans,

I don't know exactly because we are quite new on this area, but as I know hungarians meal customs there couldn't be too much..
This bounce what you've mentioned is terrible, and very dangerous for the body. My daughter also had this bounces and that's why she got pump. Try to get for your daughter as well.
William

[MrGreenJeans]

Hi friends,
I got Cohen's book last night at a vegan meeting. Very nice!

I spoke with the person putting it on and asked her about raw and diabetes if she knows of anyone that was type I and got off insulin. She said Yes! There is a woman who what diabetic 27 years that went to Mrs. Boutenko and in a week her insulin was down to 1/2 and in three months she was completely off insulin! Woohoo!

MrGreenJeans

[MrGreenJeans]

Well, for starters I am diabetic. I just get tired of hearing people say that diabetics got that way from being fat. There is the school of thought that type 2 diabetes causes you to become overweight because of the insulin resistance.

Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and is caused by a virus. Most people with type 1 are not overweight at all and many are underweight.

Hi Julie,
Thanks for clarifying. Sorry if you thought I was putting down "fat" people. Could it be that putting on excess weight for some children weakens their immune system and that this opens the door to diabetes? Of course not all obese children have diabetes.

I'm curious if you are vegetarian but not a raw vegan? Do you include eggs, milk, cheese, breads, pizza in your diet?

[mulch]

keep us posted on your success

[MrGreenJeans]

Hi Mr Greenjeans,

I don't know exactly because we are quite new on this area, but as I know hungarians meal customs there couldn't be too much..
This bounce what you've mentioned is terrible, and very dangerous for the body. My daughter also had this bounces and that's why she got pump. Try to get for your daughter as well.
William

Hi William,
I've tried talking to my daughter about the pump. She will have nothing to do with it. Maybe if I had demanded that she will not get the pump, she would have gotten it. :)

[Eveleaf]

My sister and I were overweight as children, but fairly healthy. My brother was super skinny and also healthy. At 15 he was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes.

My best friend is also very thin and a Type 1 Diabetic, diagnosed at 16.

Of course there is a connection between Type 2 Diabetes and weight gain. But I have never read anything or seen anything to indicate there is ANY connection between weight and Type 1 Diabetes.

It sounds like you have two very valid concerns: 1) Your daughter's diet and weight, and 2) her Diabetes. However, you're not going to get anywhere on those by confusing them as ONE issue. They are not, and your daughter and her family are correct to resist your attempts to make them one issue.

I'm sorry you have these challenges. :(
I wish you well.

[MrGreenJeans]

Thanks EveLeaf for your thoughts.
She is not that obese now. The resistance happened many years ago when they were fattening her up. She went from a nice svelt child in my care to one who was very obese under their care. It might be weight was not the issue but that is all I hear these days on the news is over weight children and diabetes.
Most likely she would have gotten diabetes even if under my care. Who knows?

[exurb]

Jeans, you asked for opinions contrary to yours as well, so I'm glad you are open to that.

I hope this is helpful. I am taking a different look. I hope you find this supportive and helpful to your daughter, even though it isn't just blindly getting into the chorus of animosity to her loved ones whom you say caused this disease.

You have spent a lot of time telling us how right you were. " I was right". "I'd say I was correct in my understanding." "Well, I was right. Now I'm right again " ETC.

However, there is a LOT you don't understand.

First off, TYPE I is NO ONE'S FAULT. It has nothing to do with them "fattening her up", in fact MOST PEOPLE WITH TYPE I ARE OF NORMAL WEIGHT AND HEALTHY LIFESTYLE WHEN DIAGNOSED, and will LOSE WEIGHT if not diagnosed and treated. Genetics and exposure to certain viruses are implicated, but Type I is not something she got from overeating. A Finnish study showed higher vitamin D in the very early years helped lower odds of Type I, while having been breast fed at least to three months of age is shown to lower the odds. I'm not assigning blame, but just cautioning against blaming others to point out that the breasts that provided the milk probably lowered her odds, whilst the lower Vitamin D in the early years diet in the diet you describe feeding her could have raised the odds. It could even be your genetics. I'm not saying that's what it was, I'm just saying you shouldn't be blaming the other side for causing it. While it could possibly have been influenced by the increased risk factors of lower Vitamin D, genetics, or exposure to certain viruses, it is definitely known that it is not caused by them fattening her up.

Perhaps it would be of benefit to your daughter if you did some really solid research into this on her behalf, from credible sources, instead of blaming those loved ones around her for her condition. Also, Type I is not easy to cure. It is normally thought of as a lifetime endocrine condition. It is very treatable, and there are recent developments which show promise for a full cure. Of course lifestyle changes could improve outcome. But if I suffered it, and someone who showed very little knowledge of the BASIC facts was telling me my family caused it or my eating, and if I only did X I would be completely cured, it would further distance that person from me. Stop blaming the victim, stop blaming people whose fault it's not. Maybe her lifestyle is poor as compared to your standards, but you are wrongly accusing them of causing her condition.

I think you need to let go of that because you are flat wrong on it. (unless you're wrong about it being Type I and it's actually Type II).

What is the reason she won't listen to you? Might she have cause not to? Can that be worked on? Can this whole thing bring about a LARGER healing, of all those other issues that are obviously still there.

Maybe you are confused with Type II, the "info" you have spoken about from the news is undoubtedly about type II (formerly known as Adult Onset Diabetes). BTW the news is entertainment -- information comes from elsewhere. (a great read is Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death" which will pretty much explain everything going on in the world). But I digress...

There are positive recent medical developments for actually reversing diabetes I (Canadian researchers cracked the code and actually succeeded in reversing the disease in mice): :D

http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/issue/2007/01_15/4_advances_medicine01_1.html

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OK, Now I can stop being blunt and say something complimentary... You are doing a great job by leading by example. It is also great that you care for your daughter so much and want what's best for her. Just glow in your own health and hope that will rub off! Kids learn much more by osmosis and what they observe versus what we yap at them to do.

It is interesting sometimes how sources of conflict can reveal deeper issues. I would say to reflect on your words and attitudes, and find stuff there which would be a benefit to your daughter if you could all rise above.

I would also add to be careful of anecdotal/testimonial stories of cures. The people you are talking to could be confused of type I vs II, or people who say they were cured might not have actually had type I. You must be very careful in the quality of information you acquire. Sure people can try different things, and it's great to seek out miracles and alternatives, and some may be worth a try, but you should never arrogantly profess to know the solution.

Please also remember you are dealing with a sensitive issue for your daughter at a sensitive age.

[MrGreenJeans]

Exurb, bless you for your kind words.

O.K. obese causes Type II diabetes (among other things).

Thanks for the nice link to the Canadian research findings. I'm sure the multi-billion dollar a year industry that treates diabetics will love that cure (a little sinister wink there).

It seems the older I get the more wise I become in dealing with people. It is a life-long learning experience. I am still trying to be the best dad I can be.

By the way, not to keep blowing my own horn but as she was losing weight I became more and more alarmed and told her mother something was wrong. She and her "doctor" (a chiropractor) kept saying nothing is wrong, she is just entering puberty. They couldn't see the signs of drinking lots of water in the night etc. I kept saying to them I think she has diabetes. "No" was the answer. I said I'd go and buy a diabetes tester just to make sure. "No" we won't go by that she said. So when I had her on my weekend she kept throwing up and couldn't hold even water. I drove her to the emergency room and the doc said she almost died. Her eyes were rolling up in her head and couldn't even talk to me. I'd still be mourning at her grave site had she been in the care of her "mother" that weekend.

[exurb]

Thanks for not being upset at my bluntness. Sorry you have to deal with a difficult other side, I was on your case for blaming them for causing this by fattening her up when that couldn't have been the cause, but sounds like they are not blameless in general nor do they do a perfect job in assisting her with her health, so she's lucky to have you to also watch out for her.


Thanks for the nice link to the Canadian research findings. I'm sure the multi-billion dollar a year industry that treates diabetics will love that cure (a little sinister wink there).


LOL, and I hear you. It might be of interest to you to look at Gabriel Cousens MD (a raw MD) who I understand has successfully treated type II diabetics.

http://www.rawfor30days.com/about.html

[luckitri]

15 is a tough age and they are so concerned about their social life and being acceptable to a group. They do not want to do anything that can get them talked about or make them different or unacceptable. It may be a few years before she is willing to listen.

My son knows that he comes from diabetes families on both sides but is totally unwilling to modify his behavior at this point. I am waiting for the few years for him to wake up.

[MrGreenJeans]

Thanks for your wisdom luckitri. I'm not going to needle my daughter about it. She has enough pressures in her life as it is. I just want to present the idea and tell her if she ever wants to read the books she can. Then I'll just let her see my life and the positive influence raw has on it.

[exurb]

Hi Mr Greenjeans,

I have recently been informed that another development from the medical field is transplanting the Islets of Langerhans (as you might know the islets in the pancreas no longer produce insulin in type 1). The procedure was developed in Edmonton Canada, and is called "The Edmonton Protocol".

It is fairly new, you can read about it in these links. The most obvious downside to me was currently having to take immunosuppressants but I wanted to make sure you knew about it as things may continue to develop in a better direction. So keep those Islets of yours healthy as maybe you'll become a donor!;)

Just thought I would pass this along, I don't know how open you are for things from the medical field. Me personally wouldn't be rushing off to have this procedure yet, as there's room for improvement, but I thought it was interesting from a "hope" perspective, and something to be aware of if improvements are made.

http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0j_115.htm

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/355/13/1318

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/pancreaticislet/

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=1372

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/sep2004/niddk-07.htm

[TheAvocadess]

Hi Mr Greenjeans,

I have recently been informed that another development from the medical field is transplanting the Islets of Langerhans (as you might know the islets in the pancreas no longer produce insulin in type 1). The procedure was developed in Edmonton Canada, and is called "The Edmonton Protocol".



Why why whyin the world would anyone familiar with raw consider something as outlandish and dangerous as this when diabetes can be cured, and I do mean CURED with a 100% raw foods diet. Not only the proceedure, but supress the immune system? OMG, that's disgusting and frightening. Do this over simply eating raw foods? Insanity.

Food heals diabetes. Anything else just covers the symptoms until the body fails again from stress and improper nutrition.

[TheAvocadess]

Mr Green Jeans, do you share custody of your daughter?

[MrGreenJeans]

The ex has primary custody. I see my daughter almost every day but every other weekend I get her.

However, here is a snag, now that she turned 15 she is wanting more freedoms and so does not want to sleep over at my home any more. But she want to do things with me on the weekends I have her.

I probably could go to court and demand she stay with me during the nights every other weekend but . . . well, that's not my style.

Why do you ask?

[TheAvocadess]

I ask because depending on custody, you should have a say in your daughter's primary care. She is still a minor. But since it's "not your style" to go further to demand legally that you gain more custodial rights or full custody, there isn't much that can be done in this situation unless your daughter is open to radically changing her eating habits.

So many who are addicted to cooked food opt for a pill or drugs so they can continue eating exactly what made them ill to begin with - hence what makes pharmaceutical companies and doctors so wealthy.

You can lead a horse to water...

[luckitri]

I am sorry but I don't KNOW for a fact that people have cured diabetes with raw. I have HEARD alot of TALK about it but the people who claim they have done it are not freely sharing of the information and many sufferers do not have the many thousands of dollars of free cash lying around to try out their theories to see if it would work for us.

Personally I am not so comfortable with believing on something so wholeheartedly unless I have experienced it firsthand with myself or someone very close to me.

There has been much controversy all around as to whether eating habits cause Type I and/or Type II. Perhaps we can all agree that our eating choices may affect it, and possibly more on Type II, but to lay the total cause there has not been conclusively proven I do not believe. I do not wish to create more controversy but I do not see that condemnation and commentary on ones personal life choices helps to lovingly lead someone to more information that might help in their decisions.

Do you have children Avocadess? And if so may I ask how old they are?

[TheAvocadess]

I know for a fact that a living raw foods diet does in fact cure diabetes. www.rawfor30days.com It's well documented. It's a fact.

You don't need thousands, you need a simple raw living foods diet to heal diabetes. If you don't believe me, ask Gab Cousins.

Yes, I have one incredible child of 13... not that it matters in this topic.

[luckitri]

Raw for 30 days proves nothing. It is merely a claim. I don't know what they actually ate and drank to get rid of the diabetes and even if they did get rid of the diabetes in that small group of people it is no proof that the same techniques will work for the whole diabetes population. Certain illnesses like diabetes and thyroid are very specific to the individual and do not easily accomodate a one-size fits all solution. As far as asking Gabe Cousens - well he is only available to those who have the monies to fork out - like I said - most people don't have that kind of $ just floating around. I already tried asking him - he wants the money first and I don't have it. Thats fair I suppose - but I still have no proof that it works. I have no outline on how to do it. Those of us who have needed to cut fruit out of our diets due to sugar problems are not encouraged to explore that here or anywhere else that I know of - perhaps we are detoxing diabetes. I do not personally know anyone who has cured their diabetes with a raw food diet alone. If you wish to believe talk without proof go right ahead however I will support peoples' rights to be skeptical of alternative health solutions just as much as I support peoples' rights to be skeptical of mainstream so-called health solutions.

[exurb]

Avocadess, first off type I is different than type II, and you don't show the detail of distinguishing between the two and there is a BIG difference. And I wasn't saying go rush off and have this procedure, I am just showing some potential hopes for the future with new early stages of research. I was very clear about this in my post and expressed the same reservations with where it is right now, and said I wouldn't be rushing off to have this procedure but that there may be hope for future development. I found your response quite rude. If you really think you know everything there is to know about how to cure Type I, please provide details for type I not II. I have already pointed out the work of Dr Cousens in this thread.

Sure a raw diet might help greatly, however, whether it will suddenly make you make insulin in these tissues that are totally pooched to the point that they don't make insulin at all is truly up in the air. Those with first hand experience here have also posted that raw has helped them greatly but not completely cured it. I'd love to know what your thinking it will definitely give a full cure for Type I is based upon, especially if it is well founded. Type I is a vastly different condition than type II.

[TheAvocadess]

Avocadess, first off type I is different than type II, and you don't show the detail of distinguishing between the two and there is a BIG difference. And I wasn't saying go rush off and have this procedure, I am just showing some potential hopes for the future with new early stages of research. I was very clear about this in my post and expressed the same reservations with where it is right now, and said I wouldn't be rushing off to have this procedure but that there may be hope for future development. I found your response quite rude. If you really think you know everything there is to know about how to cure Type I, please provide details for type I not II. I have already pointed out the work of Dr Cousens in this thread.

Sure a raw diet might help greatly, however, whether it will suddenly make you make insulin in these tissues that are totally pooched to the point that they don't make insulin at all is truly up in the air. Those with first hand experience here have also posted that raw has helped them greatly but not completely cured it. I'd love to know what your thinking it will definitely give a full cure for Type I is based upon, especially if it is well founded. Type I is a vastly different condition than type II.

This is a raw living foods site, Sometimes I have no idea why some people are here. They obviously have no faith in raw and are more negative than I care to describe, So I'll just say that I know for a fact that the raw living foods will and have cured diabetes. There are people on this very forum that will tell you so that are former diabetics.

Since I don't care to beat a dead horse, I'll refrain from posting further on this topic. Good luck Mr. Green Jeans!

[juliebove]

Raw for 30 days proves nothing. It is merely a claim. I don't know what they actually ate and drank to get rid of the diabetes and even if they did get rid of the diabetes in that small group of people it is no proof that the same techniques will work for the whole diabetes population. Certain illnesses like diabetes and thyroid are very specific to the individual and do not easily accomodate a one-size fits all solution. As far as asking Gabe Cousens - well he is only available to those who have the monies to fork out - like I said - most people don't have that kind of $ just floating around. I already tried asking him - he wants the money first and I don't have it. Thats fair I suppose - but I still have no proof that it works. I have no outline on how to do it. Those of us who have needed to cut fruit out of our diets due to sugar problems are not encouraged to explore that here or anywhere else that I know of - perhaps we are detoxing diabetes. I do not personally know anyone who has cured their diabetes with a raw food diet alone. If you wish to believe talk without proof go right ahead however I will support peoples' rights to be skeptical of alternative health solutions just as much as I support peoples' rights to be skeptical of mainstream so-called health solutions.


Agreed. I have diabetes. I have NEVER heard of anyone who was cured of it. I say there is no cure and I stick with that. Especially for type 1 where the pancreas is totally burned out. There is nothing in raw food that is going to make that pancreas produce insulin. Pure and simple.

Now type 2 and pre-diabetes, different story. If caught early on, some people can perhaps do what they call "reverse" it. I know of one pre-diabetic who was very overweight. She lost over half of her body weight and her blood sugar is perfectly normal. That doesn't mean she is cured. If she were cured, she could eat whatever she wanted and it wouldn't be a problem. But she can't. She still has to watch every bite she eats.

I think the people who say diabetes can be cured do not have diabetes themselves.

[juliebove]

This is a raw living foods site, Sometimes I have no idea why some people are here. They obviously have no faith in raw and are more negative than I care to describe, So I'll just say that I know for a fact that the raw living foods will and have cured diabetes. There are people on this very forum that will tell you so that are former diabetics.

Since I don't care to beat a dead horse, I'll refrain from posting further on this topic. Good luck Mr. Green Jeans!

I'm sure the world would love to hear about those people then. Can they go out and eat whatever they want and never have high blood sugar? Are you telling me somehow they are now producing insulin when they weren't before? If only it were as simple as changing one's diet, don't you think the whole world would be doing it?

[luckitri]

Thanks juliebove!

Calling all former diabetics on this forum to testify!

[Gittel]

MrGreenJeans, you said, "They couldn't see the signs of drinking lots of water in the night etc. I kept saying to them I think she has diabetes."

(Sorry, I haven't figured how to copy a quote properly.)

I drinking water during the night a sign of Type I diabetes? Three of my children get up during the night to drink.

Gittel

[juliebove]

MrGreenJeans, you said, "They couldn't see the signs of drinking lots of water in the night etc. I kept saying to them I think she has diabetes."

(Sorry, I haven't figured how to copy a quote properly.)

I drinking water during the night a sign of Type I diabetes? Three of my children get up during the night to drink.

Gittel


Type 1 diabetes has a rapid onset. To simplify what is happening to the body... Excess sugar builds up in the blood, coating the cells so no nutrients can get in. This makes the person very hungry and very thirsty. As the blood sugar climbs even higher, the person may get sick to their stomach and throw up. The body also becomes dehydrated. The person may also begin to pee a lot.

If the person is wolfing down food, particularly sweets, and losing weight rapidly, plus drinking large amounts of water or other liquids, suspect diabetes.

But drinking water in the night does not mean diabetes. A lot of people have a drink at night, especially if they didn't drink enough during the day.

[Aleesha Sattva]

going back to page one of this thread... i find it odd that no one else caught onto the obvious. did it ever occur to the OP (original poster) that his daughter probably gained weight after their split and divorce BECAUSE of the break up of her family?

the stress this causes to a child is tremendous and should not be ignored.

you can ask your children to eat healthy. you can provide them with healthy choices, but if they so desire... they will eat whatever they want. at school, at their friend's homes... taking money to the store and buying candy/choc/pop etc.

i just want us all to remember... this is a child we are talking about who went through a traumatic experience AND a wife who was going through a traumatic experience... so if they fell off the 'health' wagon for awhile and indulged in some 'food-therapy' for themselves... it wasn't nec. a healthy choice but it was their choice and their coping mechanism.

and onto the topic of this page of the thread... i don't believe type I can be cured... my hubby and i have type II and i believe we can get to the point of low blood sugars (i already have) with diet alone. in 'diet for a new america' there are examples of diabetes being a non-issue once a vegetarian diet is consumed... but if i remember correctly (and it's late i don't want to grab my book and look it up) it was only type II not type I.

back to the OP... please remember that she is a child and as children and young adults... we all felt like we would live forever and bad things would never touch us. we felt like no matter what... we'd survive. with some time and loving support i'm sure she'll realize the need to take her health seriously. i know for myself... people preaching to me never assisted me on my path, but people 'walking their talk' and 'living their truth' did make a difference, even if i didn't realize it at the time!

so walk your talk, live your truth and know deep down inside yourself that she will awaken. i send you some cyber hugs in the meantime as you too, went through a traumatic experience... loosing your family.

[Aleesha Sattva]

MrGreenJeans, you said, "They couldn't see the signs of drinking lots of water in the night etc. I kept saying to them I think she has diabetes."

(Sorry, I haven't figured how to copy a quote properly.)

I drinking water during the night a sign of Type I diabetes? Three of my children get up during the night to drink.

Gittel

(hit the quote button on the bottom of the post you want to quote)

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-symptoms.jsp

[juliebove]

I'm a type 2 who was a vegetarian upon diagnosis. I don't think there is anything in a vegetarian diet that would prevent one from getting it. More and more they are saying it is a matter of genetics. They have found a diabetes gene. They also now think Alzheimers is a third form of diabetes.

[Aleesha Sattva]

sorry juiliebove, i didn't mean it makes every case a non-issue. i apologize for my wording.

[Gittel]

Thanks, juliebove. I feel better!


(hit the quote button on the bottom of the post you want to quote)

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-symptoms.jsp

I think I got it. Thanks, recycling goddess!

Gittel

[Rawkinlocs]

Hmmm...I don't claim to be an expert and definitely not a medical professional but these are just my thoughts.

I feel that our body parts can heal and that we were designed to be self-healing when we don't "get in our own way" and interfere with it (and I am NOT speaking personally to anyone here...I'm even talking to myself here with that statement!)

I just wonder if something as miraculous as Veganforlife's DEAD thyroid gland coming back to life and regaining it's function and she was able to get completely off of her thyroid meds (and hypothyroidism is another "incurable" condition and it's commonly said that once your thyroid is dead and you start taking those synthetic thyroid meds that you'll have to take them for the rest of your life) then couldn't there be a chance that a pancreas that is non-functioning could regain it's function as well. I don't know anyone personally with Type 1 but I know plenty with Type 2, close family members as well as friends.

Perhaps with either (1 or 2) it would take being 100%, no questions asked, possibly even STRICT (lower fat, higher fruit/greens) raw vegan for a while before things changed (??) Those of you who are diabetic and say that diet didn't/doesn't really make much of a difference for you, are/were you 100% raw? If so, for how long?

I know that one time a while ago, I was having a phone conversation with Alissa. Now, I already had her book and DVD so she definitely wasn't trying to "sell" me on anything...but she told me that she has worked with diabetics and that they were able to totally get off of their meds. Now, what type they had, I don't know...didn't ask. But the point being that, they got of their meds. Now you can call it "reverse" or "cured" but they were OFF their meds...no longer needed 'em...does that not count for anything at all?

So, anyone new who is reading this thread, please do not give up hope or rule out that changing your diet will help with diabetes because there are a lot of people out there who will vouch that it has.

Mr. Greenjeans, I do hope that all works out with your daughter! I have family members who are sick and I try to talk to them but people have to be willing. If you are a spiritual man, pray for your ex-wife and your daughter that they're eyes are opened and that they would be receptive to changing their diet. Even if eating raw won't "cure" Type 1 diabetes, at least it could definitely improve her quality of life and get her meds cut DOWN, if nothing else!

[juliebove]

I don't believe the thyroid dies. I've been on Synthroid and I'm not on it now, but it wasn't the raw diet that did it. It was when I stopped eating the goitrogens.

[Rawkinlocs]

Well, that's fine...I believe Veganforlife may have been eating some of the goitrogens when she got her results - but I won't speak for her...just going on memory of what I'd seen her post. I know when my husband had hyPERthyroidism, they gave him a radiation pill that was supposed to KILL his thyroid and he was "supposed" to have to take the meds the rest of his life but...well, our faith caused otherwise to happen and the pill didn't "work" so he is NOT on the meds and his thyroid is working perfectly...for him, change in diet DID play a part in that! :)

Bottom line and the whole point of what I was trying to say is, body parts can and do heal...maybe not for everyone because not everyone provides the "environment" for it to happen.

[luckitri]

OK I know the OP is about diabetes but since the topic has gone to thyroid I just want to say that it is good for me to know that Veganforlife achieved healing with keeping goitrogens in her diet and also that juliebove healed by eliminating them.

I have not decided which path I will take yet although I will say when I considered removing the goitrogens from my eating I was left wondering exactly what it is that I could eat. Once again, every body is different but the point for me of being on this forum - is knowing that healing is possible.

In some cases the intuitive eating has served me well and on occasions such as this I am just drawing a blank. For example some of the greens that are listed as goitrogenic like turnip and mustard - well I have been craving them on my salads lately. I also love kale fixed "Portuguese" style like RowanC taught me here. So for now, with this illness I will attempt other remedies before limiting my food selection.

Children, if allowed some choice in their food selection, seem more inclined toward intuitive eating patterns. As parents, once they have reached their teens, I suppose all we can do is be prepared with education for when they are ready to hear it. I know for my son, the only time he is partially receptive is when he is on his back with strep throat. If I do not provide the sicko food that he wants - well he will just go elsewhere to get it and has openly told me so. Fortunately in recent months he is starting to make slightly healthier choices and expand his dietary range.

[Aleesha Sattva]

my girlfriend had thryroid surgery this year due to huge tumours in both sides but mostly on her right side. she had to have that side completely removed but her thryroid can return to normal function. her doctors told her that as long as she has a portion of her thyroid, it can function as well as a whole thyroid.

your thyroid is like your liver... very good at healing itself given the right circumstances. sounds like someone on a RAW diet would have those right circumstances with so little toxins coming into their body. i'm going to share this with my friend. thanks!

[juliebove]

Well, that's fine...I believe Veganforlife may have been eating some of the goitrogens when she got her results - but I won't speak for her...just going on memory of what I'd seen her post. I know when my husband had hyPERthyroidism, they gave him a radiation pill that was supposed to KILL his thyroid and he was "supposed" to have to take the meds the rest of his life but...well, our faith caused otherwise to happen and the pill didn't "work" so he is NOT on the meds and his thyroid is working perfectly...for him, change in diet DID play a part in that! :)

Bottom line and the whole point of what I was trying to say is, body parts can and do heal...maybe not for everyone because not everyone provides the "environment" for it to happen.


Mine goes both ways. Might be hyper or hypo. But *knock wood* I've been off the meds for several years now after changing my diet. In my case, no cause was found. They just told me I had a roller coaster thyroid. I can not say I was cured because I do still need to be checked every three months or so to make sure it is in range. It annoys me that they didn't find a cause in my case, but I guess you can't always define everything with a medical name. And thyroid problems do run on both sides of the family.

[juliebove]

OK I know the OP is about diabetes but since the topic has gone to thyroid I just want to say that it is good for me to know that Veganforlife achieved healing with keeping goitrogens in her diet and also that juliebove healed by eliminating them.

I have not decided which path I will take yet although I will say when I considered removing the goitrogens from my eating I was left wondering exactly what it is that I could eat. Once again, every body is different but the point for me of being on this forum - is knowing that healing is possible.

In some cases the intuitive eating has served me well and on occasions such as this I am just drawing a blank. For example some of the greens that are listed as goitrogenic like turnip and mustard - well I have been craving them on my salads lately. I also love kale fixed "Portuguese" style like RowanC taught me here. So for now, with this illness I will attempt other remedies before limiting my food selection.

Children, if allowed some choice in their food selection, seem more inclined toward intuitive eating patterns. As parents, once they have reached their teens, I suppose all we can do is be prepared with education for when they are ready to hear it. I know for my son, the only time he is partially receptive is when he is on his back with strep throat. If I do not provide the sicko food that he wants - well he will just go elsewhere to get it and has openly told me so. Fortunately in recent months he is starting to make slightly healthier choices and expand his dietary range.


Intuitive eating wouldn't work at all for me. It would tell me to eat something all the time that isn't raw and I'd die of malnutrition if I did that! :D

I do still eat small amounts of goitrogens. Like a bit of cabbage or kale in a salad. What I stopped doing was eating the massive amounts I was eating. Like edamame, roasted soy nuts, Boca burgers and Tiger's Milk bars. I also took a hard look at any processed food that I was buying and refused to buy any with soybean oil in them. Actually I had to do that since daughter is allergic to soy. In my case I would say it was the large amounts of soy I was consuming.

But there are other things that do fall into the raw category. I do really like coleslaw. But it is now something I might eat only once or twice a year. Or if I eat it more often, I use very little cabbage and add a lot more peppers and carrots.

Since this isn't exactly a food allergy, I don't find I have to eliminate all goitrogens totally, but I try to keep them to a minimum.

Now I know of one lady who has had thyroid cancer. She has to totally eliminate these things from her diet at times when they are doing certain tests on her. That's different.

Do they know the cause of your thyroid problems? My dad had trouble and he had a nodule on his. They did a needle biopsy and somehow that was enough to drain it fully and he no longer has the problem, although they do have him on a small dose of Synthroid that he takes prophalactically (sp?). My mom has a thyroid like mine, as does a friend of mine. They have trouble at times. At other times not. I also think in women, our hormones factor into it a lot. My problems began in pregnancy.

[exurb]

So, anyone new who is reading this thread, please do not give up hope or rule out that changing your diet will help with diabetes because there are a lot of people out there who will vouch that it has.


Absolutely! Great words again from Rawkinlocs. :cool:

[dreamrawalwz]

I'm curious if those that are diabetic type 1 on this site are 100% raw and have been for a while? Not judging in any way, just curious.

On another note, I think Julibove explained how Type 1 is an autoimmune disease right? Think about it. If raw cures fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and other autoimmune disease, why not diabetes? Ok, maybe "Cure" isn't the right word because if these people eat cooked the symptoms may return, but the symptoms at least disappear. Just a though~

[MrGreenJeans]

I was on a jet and a guy was sitting next to me a couple years ago coming home from California. I got to talking to him about my daughter getting diabetes. He said he had type I diabetes and the doctor told him he'd have to take insulin the rest of his life. He refused and searched out the most knowlegeable doctors. Anyway, the long and short of it all is that through many procedures such as checking his hormones, changing his diet etc. he was able to kick his diabetes. He sent me a book and gave me the doctor references he had but am not sure where that is since I have moved.

[luckitri]

Hey Mr GreenJeans! I hope you find the information as it would be quicker than doing the research yourself. People are finding healing but since it is almost illegal we have to do alot of seeking. I found Mike Adams report of the Raw Spirit Festival to be inspiring as the numbers of raw foodists is growing quickly maybe we will reach critical mass to effect change. (NewsTarget.com)

juliebove, all I know is that I got a note stating that I have low thyroid and an Rx for Synthroid. I have been calling the doctor for almost 2 weeks and no response. The office is a multiple doctor practice and they have mixed reviews of being life-savers and being hell - almost killing people - me included a few years ago. The doctor that founded the practice does consider alternative health options sometimes so I hoped that this young guy coming up under him would also. Time to move on. Unfortunately my insurance gives me few options and I had already ruled all the other ones out. I started the iodine today with no medical supervision or baseline iodine-loading test. Guess I'll just have to really monitor how I feel.

[juliebove]

Hey Mr GreenJeans! I hope you find the information as it would be quicker than doing the research yourself. People are finding healing but since it is almost illegal we have to do alot of seeking. I found Mike Adams report of the Raw Spirit Festival to be inspiring as the numbers of raw foodists is growing quickly maybe we will reach critical mass to effect change. (NewsTarget.com)

juliebove, all I know is that I got a note stating that I have low thyroid and an Rx for Synthroid. I have been calling the doctor for almost 2 weeks and no response. The office is a multiple doctor practice and they have mixed reviews of being life-savers and being hell - almost killing people - me included a few years ago. The doctor that founded the practice does consider alternative health options sometimes so I hoped that this young guy coming up under him would also. Time to move on. Unfortunately my insurance gives me few options and I had already ruled all the other ones out. I started the iodine today with no medical supervision or baseline iodine-loading test. Guess I'll just have to really monitor how I feel.

Drs. can be a pain. Have you tried increasing your selenium? Just a couple of Brazil nuts each day can be enough. I wouldn't recommend supplements because too much can cause problems with teeth and other things.

[luckitri]

Hi juliebove! I was looking for Brazil nuts when I was last at the store! Of course there were no raw ones. With holiday season coming up I suppose my best bet is to buy a bunch with the shells on and put them in the freezer for the rest of the year.

One day of iodine and I feel better than I have in a long time.

[menvili]

Hy Mr Greenjeans,

We are nearly two months on raw, my daughter result better and better.
Can you give me the name of that women who was in contact with Butenko's.
But never forget the best doctor is GOD!!
William

[missthomas86]

Just remember WORDS HAVE POWER. Stay positive. Maybe she just wants to be treated as if she has no disease. I think she will come around it may just take time. Continue to be a good example, everything will fall in place. If anything pray because like menvilli said, God is the best doctor and he will help your child better than any doctor can.

[melissa1780]

Mr. Green Jeans,

You may want to looking into the DVD "Raw for Life" That I found on
rawfor30days.com.. The video comes out this month and may be a great tool in explaining the benefits of raw food to your daughter and ex

The web site says that "RAW FOR LIFE is an A-to-Z encyclopedia of Raw Food, perfect for beginners and Raw Food enthusiasts. This two-disc DVD inspires people with the Raw Food philosophy, the wisdom of eating a raw food diet, important medical facts and nutritional information."

Hope this helps!:D

Melissa