4th day raw and sore all over!

[MommyB]

So I just started my raw food challange and I'm on day 4. I've given up coffee, cigarettes and fast food.. yikes! I've had a headache for 3 days, I'm assuming the coffee detox, and just today my body has started to hurt all over :confused: When I walk it's like I can feel that my organs are sore or something :eek: My entire back is killing me too. Has anyone else experienced detox symptoms like this?

[ladypeace82]

yes. But I've been back and forth 75% to 100% Raw for over a month now. So my detox has been drawn out. :(

But I would assume yours is mostly from the coffee and ciggs.
Mine was just fast food.

All I know is water water water, GS GS GS, hot bath, heating pad, DH back rubs. ;)

[Rawkinlocs]

Hi MommyB,

Yes, I experienced what some refer to as "flu-like" symptoms where you have body aches. Is that how you would describe what you're experiencing at all? If so, it's quite common during detox and yes, you may really feel a great deal of symptoms seeing that you are detoxing coffee/caffeine and cigarettes as well as the fast foods. Drink lots of water, if you are not objected to them, consider enemas (those helped me immensely during my detox stages) and also exercise/movement is said to help.

The important thing is to make sure you are having frequent eliminations to get those toxins OUT of your system.

[justinesmith]

Listen to Rawkinlocs... she knows of what she speaks. My detox has been AWFUL and I'm on day 49! I went for a few weeks where my dh had to stay home from work because I couldn't care for our beautiful dd's but I am back on track. Stay strong and colon hydrotherapy helped me a TON. Take care... :D

[tanishamarshall]

I had the same issue when I removed coffee, I had a headache for 2 weeks now this was before raw, but once I went raw my entire body was hurting it was not very nice but it's over now. Hang in there this will pass.

Tanisha

[MommyB]

Rawkinlocs - Thanks for the feedback... I will have to look into the enema's. I am eliminating a lot more then usual, and I figured that was good!

Justine - Day 49 and still detoxing?? Wow! I was thinking about looking into colonics... I just have to find a place in my area. Thanks for the feedback!

Stacy - Thanks for the tips :) What is GS? I have read that on different boards and I don't know what it means.

[MommyB]

Thank you Tanisha :) Congratulations on your 22 lb weight loss!

[viva diva]

oh how worrying is this?
i feel like crap too and did not go to the hosptila today cos i want to cure my asthma naturally...but i really feel dire energyless and fluey and depressed and if this goes on for 49 days ...well, it wont cos i will stop. i am not going to be able to be out of work for much longer, i have to be ok.xx

mommy you are sooo cute and i am sue yours will pass:)

[G-Force]

I like how Alissa calls the detox section in her book - "get it over with" because that's sure the name of the game! I'm on my 10th day of raw (for the second time) and both times I felt great for a few days, then hit this fatigue phase where I feel very very mellow, sluggish, kind of "blah." I finally figured out that I think this is detox!

I'm grateful it isn't stronger (so far) than mere fatigue, but I have been eating pretty healthily the last few years (out of necessity as I was chronically ill and had newly discovered food allergies) and more recently have been 75% raw, so perhaps my body isn't detoxing as hard as it would have many years ago. I just hope it passes soon - I was just getting used to having lots of energy and now I feel like a slug. No desire to exercise, mentally dull, sleeping like a rock, etc. I'm not losing any weight yet, so I am definitely not undereating (I hear that can cause fatigue), but I really look forward to moving to the next level of wellness.

All of you detoxing brothers and sisters out there - we are not alone and we have optimal health to look forward to! Hang in there. :o
-- Ginette

[bonbon]

MommyB:
I was quite sore too - even my face hurt and felt better when I massaged it! It didn't last very long tho. Keep up the great work! You will feel better soon. Give it at least a few weeks, especially if you're giving up all that stuff at the same time. It'll take your body a little bit to get into balance so be gentle on yourself. Take some walks if you can and get that blood pumping all that bad stuff out of you!
Take care! :)

[ladypeace82]

Stacy - Thanks for the tips :) What is GS? I have read that on different boards and I don't know what it means.


OH! I'm sorry. GS is Green Smoothies. :D

[EZ rider]

I was thinking about looking into colonics... I just have to find a place in my area.
http://www.yellowbook.com/

[MommyB]

OH! I'm sorry. GS is Green Smoothies. :D

Duh... I guess I should have been able to figure that one out! :rolleyes:

[viva diva]

how can i go gently??? fomr junk food and the normal diet i have gone to 100% raw -with only a 2 day 50% raw slope up to it.
god i have given up everything!!!

as long as i feel fantastic very soon it will have been worth it.

but i found before it was a promise of 'well you havent detoxed fully yet' or 'it gets worse before it gets better' for TWO YEARS and eventually i said 'look two years is long enough not to have seen any improvement and i am far too htin and un happy unhappy'...and she (my food guru) accused me of lying and eating cooked foods on the sly.

this is in the past i know, today is a different day, but i am hoping to see wonderful results very very very soon an right now i cant face tomorrow xx

[Eva]

I had mad headaches and dizziness right away. When my mom first went raw and cut out coffee, she was feeling bad enough that she thought she might need to go to the ER!!

But man, when it's done, it feels grrrreat!

And sometimes, you will detox more than once, sort of like peeling the layers of an onion. When you get a little deeper into the really toxic cells, you get rid of bad stuff again, etc.

But seriously, better out than in! That hidden stuff that gets pushed back in when you don't go through detox is the stuff that would have caused really big health problems and that keeps a person from really living to their potential...

[Rawkinlocs]

Viva diva,

I have a question for you. How long did it take to get TO the level of health that you were at with the asthma and any other ailments/health challenges that you had? Would you say it was longer than 2 years of eating your previous diet (the one you ate before that 2 years of raw) or the lifestyle choices you possibly made (not sure if you drank alcohol, smoked, etc. etc.)

I think that most of us, by human nature, want it (it being whatever...health, healing, weight loss, etc.) NOW...but we don't take into consideration the fact that, if it took longer than "x" amount of time to get the health ailments or the excess weight, then we should be a bit more patient with our bodies to heal and to remove that weight, etc.

I've always been of the mind that we are EVER detoxing...if it's not from past eating habits and lifestyle choices, it's from things going on in our current lives such as environmental issues (the air we breath is NOT pure but it can also be worse depending on where we live, work, etc.), eating foods that are grown in pesticide-laden soil, being around people who carry things (germs, etc.) and a lot more. Our bodies will never totally stop detoxing/cleansing because we don't live in a pristine world where the air, water, and food is totally pure.

That being said, it could have very well been possible that you had a LOT to detox from...we don't really know a whole lot about what your past eating habits/lifestyle choices were or "how" you did raw back then (if you were totally 100% raw or if you followed a particular model of eating raw - high fruit/low fat for example) or what exactly you ate, what medications you may have taken in the past (which the body also cleans out meds and retraces - brings a condition back to TRULY deal with it from us stifling the symptoms with meds).

There is a lot to consider...but again, if you look into some colon hydrotherapy in the form of enemas or colonics or herbal then this may be of help to you.

[viva diva]

''That hidden stuff that gets pushed back in when you don't go through detox is the stuff that would have caused really big health problems and that keeps a person from really living to their potential...''

hi there
how could a person possibly know that ???xx

[Rawkinlocs]

''That hidden stuff that gets pushed back in when you don't go through detox is the stuff that would have caused really big health problems and that keeps a person from really living to their potential...''

hi there
how could a person possibly know that ???xx

By thinking back to if you've ever taken meds for anything (headache, yeast infections, colds/flu, ear infection, etc.) or if you've ever attempted going raw or even fasting and then as soon as the detox symptoms come on, you go back to eating cooked (comfort) foods in order to stop the uncomfortable feelings of detoxification.

When we stuff symptoms back down through meds and/or eating "numbing" foods, then when/if the time ever comes when we try to eliminate those things and eat a cleaner more natural diet or fast even, the body "retraces" and brings all that stuff back up so it can be dealt with, healed, cleaned out properly.

[Zaphirah]

I fasted before I went raw. The detox was BRUTAL. 2x I thought I was having an anyerism (sp?). I was so sick with a migraine and flu-like symptoms that I couldn't leave my bedroom for almost 48 hours. I couldn't get warm, not matter what. I had brain pain so deep and so intense I thought I was dying. I mean I really thought I was DYING. It was the most excruciating pain I have ever felt-and I have 4 dc and had major knee sugery. LOL! So just hang in there and know that it will all be over soon and you will feel like a million bucks! Kudos to you for your hard work!

[MommyB]

http://www.yellowbook.com/

You are too funny! :D Thanks :)

[MommyB]

I fasted before I went raw. The detox was BRUTAL. 2x I thought I was having an anyerism (sp?). I was so sick with a migraine and flu-like symptoms that I couldn't leave my bedroom for almost 48 hours. I couldn't get warm, not matter what. I had brain pain so deep and so intense I thought I was dying. I mean I really thought I was DYING. It was the most excruciating pain I have ever felt-and I have 4 dc and had major knee sugery. LOL! So just hang in there and know that it will all be over soon and you will feel like a million bucks! Kudos to you for your hard work!

Yikes! :eek: You are inspirational for sure!!

[tanishamarshall]

I had mad headaches and dizziness right away. When my mom first went raw and cut out coffee, she was feeling bad enough that she thought she might need to go to the ER!!

...

My head was hurting so bad that I did go to the ER. At the time I didn't realize that my headache was from Coffee withdrawal, it felt like my entire brain was being squeezed really tight from front to back, I'm so glad that is over. Coffee tastes good but I don't want to go through the pain of not drinking it again.

Tanisha

[viva diva]

no i didnt mean that, i meant how can you knwo this apart from having believed some book or person who told you and you took it on board. i was looking for it being borne out thru exerience...

cherie i ahve PMd you with love xx

[MommyB]

viva diva - I really hope this helps you this time!! I haven't been super excited about the foods yet, but I love how Alissa's book has a ton of recipes that I can test out and find things to get me by when I'm having a craving. Keep us posted!

[Rawkinlocs]

Of COURSE he says it bunk...first cause he was taught in most of his medical training how to prescribe meds and to do surgery. Health and nutrition (as they relate to one another) is a very small portion of the training from what some medical professionals have admitted to.

Not only that, but doctors aren't stupid...they know that if people start "curing" themselves naturally at home then the pockets don't get as fat 'cause folks would only need doctors for injuries and not sickness.

It's okay to be skeptical and think it's all hype and all, but people on this forum have nothing to gain from what they are telling you...they aren't selling anything or making any money by saying "I was cured of asthma" or "I lost weight" or "I got off my meds for thyroid disease or diabetes or..."

I don't think anyone is getting defensive of the diet, (personally I could care less if people do it or not...I do it because it works for ME and when someone asks, I share what I know and what I've experienced) we're just trying to tell you our experiences or what we have learned. Yep, someone writes and we read but it's also up to us to prove these things to be true or false. I've seen a great deal of people who have had the results that the books claim. I've also seen people listen to their doctors and follow them "blindly" and end up worse off. We all have to use our own senses and experiences to find what is "truth" for us.


:D you can read the earth is square and then if enough people who wanna blieve it believe it....then apparently it is an accepted theory.
i have asked my doctor that very question.
he said the theory of detoxification is bunk. that upset me as i had spent two years trying to detox myself form this illness and it has stayed.

i wondered what gives a person the right to express someonthing as 'truth' unless they have experienced it or see it experienced,
please dont be defensive of this diet again as i am not attakcing it agai,cos its a simple quesiton not designed to be inflammatory...(yes i have read TC Fry who said we could all live to 150 then died v young) and herbert shelton, and read all aorund raw vegan living. but the facts are stated as fact.my illness was not cured. it was raw vegan. i went for it wiht all my heart. all of it. i trusted i woudl be healed i knew i would be.i was not. so the health food peopel say its my fault.my doctor said 'well of course it didnt heal you, it was onyl ever gonna make you thin.' i was so angry that he was right. so angry.

i really like alissas upbeat in your face approach and i think her aggressively positive attitude is great, and she does good business for sure, but i am thinking about this curing my asthma thing. it came on 6 monhts ago thru sudden onset of allergies. my boyf is really troubled that i refused to go teh the ER today as i am trying THIS to cure it. he said if you are not 100% in 30 days you are back in that ward girlfriend i am looking after you an what you are doing is trendy and ultimately probably pretty good for you for a few days or week or so but its not gonna be your way of life ... he said a cure all it was not, or eveyone would do it.if every time a person did the 100% raw vegan challenge for a month all their ailments were cured ,eveyone in the world would know about it. the point is it has mixed results, right? like regualr doctors ghet mixed results.some poeple are skinny thru caloie counting and some are skinny thru eating ibyl meant and some are skinny theu eating this way.

i told him everyone wouldnt cos its so miserable. i am sure at some point people start to enjoy these foods. i never did in two years but am going for it again out of good faith. if i am cured and this diet is really fun for me and i feel great then of course i woudl stay on it forever . that is a big change to taek place in 30 days!!!

i am up for this cure all. i am up for this beleiveing the hype. i am up for giving it another go. never elt it be said

[Dr. White]

If I were you , I would look into adrenal fatigue for the asthma and find a way of eating that you can believe in long term Viva Diva. From your numerous posts here, raw is just a "diet" for you for the short term. Herrings Law states that you heal from the bottom up and the inside out just as Rawkinlocs stated. You will need to stay raw and give your body the nutrients it needs to heal itself for longer than 30 days if your goal is ultimate health.

Honestly, your posts seem so negative to me about how this or that with raw foods have not worked for you. Why did you stay raw for two years if you had no results? Did you loose weight and then get back to where you are now after leaving raw??

[viva diva]

mommy you are so cute i could just kiss you xx

yeah i do too, i am sure it will ...

i would love to keep posting sure!

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[MommyB]

My head was hurting so bad that I did go to the ER. At the time I didn't realize that my headache was from Coffee withdrawal, it felt like my entire brain was being squeezed really tight from front to back, I'm so glad that is over. Coffee tastes good but I don't want to go through the pain of not drinking it again.

Tanisha

I miss coffee a lot :( I even belong to a coffee club that I have to cancel :o It's obviously a drug though, or I wouldn't be going through this. DH keeps saying to my 10 month old "Mommy is going to have to go into rehab" :p

[viva diva]

''Why did you stay raw for two years if you had no results? Did you loose weight and then get back to where you are now after leaving raw??''

what are you a doctor in? i worry about being diagnosed over the computer by a stranger...i am in detox and found that rather upsetting actually.i will go tell my doctor what you said and see what he says.

i dont want to look for another diet, i am into this 30 day challange thanks.

the highlit bit, i dont think it can mean what i think you meant , can it?

i put on weight due to medication :cool:

[viva diva]

i must say mommy you are so funny and cute, coffee is a drug for sure. no question. my mother healed herself of gallstones by cutting donw on fat but she also said...you know what...suddenly i know tea and coffee are doing me harm. and quit them. no withdrawals.
wonderufl xx:D

[viva diva]

''find a way of eating that you can believe in long term ''
i wodner if this diet workd for those who believe it works. yes. thats it. those who love the life style. those who love to give their lives to it. i think i have got it finally. the mind rules the body, not the other way round after all,. well documented...



i am stopping posting now as i am in floods of tears. i really feel terrible and rather upset by some psots written to me. i wish you all good night. adn have good luck on your journeys xx

[MommyB]

Very good points about doctors! It is scary how little they are taught in school about nutrition and how it affects all aspects of our health!:eek: I also liked your point about read and learn and try it out for yourself to determine if it's true or false - So true!! :)


Of COURSE he says it bunk...first cause he was taught in most of his medical training how to prescribe meds and to do surgery. Health and nutrition (as they relate to one another) is a very small portion of the training from what some medical professionals have admitted to.

Not only that, but doctors aren't stupid...they know that if people start "curing" themselves naturally at home then the pockets don't get as fat 'cause folks would only need doctors for injuries and not sickness.

It's okay to be skeptical and think it's all hype and all, but people on this forum have nothing to gain from what they are telling you...they aren't selling anything or making any money by saying "I was cured of asthma" or "I lost weight" or "I got off my meds for thyroid disease or diabetes or..."

I don't think anyone is getting defensive of the diet, (personally I could care less if people do it or not...I do it because it works for ME and when someone asks, I share what I know and what I've experienced) we're just trying to tell you our experiences or what we have learned. Yep, someone writes and we read but it's also up to us to prove these things to be true or false. I've seen a great deal of people who have had the results that the books claim. I've also seen people listen to their doctors and follow them "blindly" and end up worse off. We all have to use our own senses and experiences to find what is "truth" for us.

[Dr. White]

''Why did you stay raw for two years if you had no results? Did you loose weight and then get back to where you are now after leaving raw??''

what are you a doctor in? i worry about being diagnosed over the computer by a stranger...i am in detox and found that rather upsetting actually.i will go tell my doctor what you said and see what he says.

i dont want to look for another diet, i am into this 30 day challange thanks.

the highlit bit, i dont think it can mean what i think you meant , can it?

i put on weight due to medication :cool:

I am a Classic Naturopath . My advice is expensive and not freely given online, so please don't misunderstand. I was only giving you another direction to look into.

I'm not sure what you think it means,but I'd be happy to clarify if you'd like to share what you think it means.

[viva diva]

''I also liked your point about read and learn and try it out for yourself to determine if it's true or false - So true!! ''

i so agree. i ill try and fight the battel in my head where i am being told to ignore my doctors advice but i am here for a reason and i know diet is important. very important. hence my decision to do it again . for one month. to see how much cured i am. if i am feeling better no problemo , i will sacrifice all the food and dirnk i love and eat raw again. i did it for two years i tcan be done. i did get too thin though xx

some good advice on here in the midst, i am grateful for that

[MommyB]

''find a way of eating that you can believe in long term ''
i wodner if this diet workd for those who believe it works. yes. thats it. those who love the life style. those who love to give their lives to it. i think i have got it finally. the mind rules the body, not the other way round after all,. well documented...



i am stopping posting now as i am in floods of tears. i really feel terrible and rather upset by some psots written to me. i wish you all good night. adn have good luck on your journeys xx

Feel Better!

[MommyB]

One more quick question... I know that eliminating :p is the way to get rid of toxins... and I am definitely doing more of that, but how much is enough. I would say I am going about 2-3 x a day now (sorry TMI:o )

[Eva]

MommyB... Yikes you just brought up some unpleasant memories! ;) I think many people "go" a lot more than usual in the beginning because there is so much to eliminate that should not be there... I can't imagine there is a too much in the beginning. Just make sure you're taking in plenty of fluids! :D

[MommyB]

I'm trying! Drinking a ton of water... way more then I used to.

[luckitri]

I thought number 2 3X a day was normal. I read somewhere recently that you should eliminate #2 one time a day for every meal that you eat - meaning that if you eat 3 meals you should go 3X.

[MommyB]

luckitri - Thank you! that's about right then.

[viva diva]

so how long is this detox hell going to last, anyone now?

i don think my last raw phase was a good example (i ohpe it wasnt) so i am asking anew...

[MommyB]

I'm sure I don't know. I guess you have to take into consideration how old you are how much gunk you have put into your system that needs to be removed. I know for me I had bouts of being very healthy... and then bouts of being really unhealthy. I'm 32 so I figure it will last a week or so... but what do I know :) Hopefully it doesn't last too long!! :)

[DianaH]

I'm currently only on Day 2 of all raw, and am feeling groggy already. I have a feeling I'm hitting detox real quick, and will hopefully hit the "heavens have opened and the angels are singing" stage just as quick! :D

I have to believe everyone is different. Everyone's body behaves differently in different scenarios. Everyone has had differents pasts and experiences with toxins like what they've eaten, drugs they've taken, toxins they've been exposed. I wonder how anyone can every really predict how long someone's detox will take.

I know from experience a couple months ago, I managed to string 8 days of raw all together, and by days 7 and 8 I was so peppy I felt like I was 12 years old! So, i"m really hoping I'm a quick detoxer.

[MommyB]

I'm currently only on Day 2 of all raw, and am feeling groggy already. I have a feeling I'm hitting detox real quick, and will hopefully hit the "heavens have opened and the angels are singing" stage just as quick! :D

I have to believe everyone is different. Everyone's body behaves differently in different scenarios. Everyone has had differents pasts and experiences with toxins like what they've eaten, drugs they've taken, toxins they've been exposed. I wonder how anyone can every really predict how long someone's detox will take.

I know from experience a couple months ago, I managed to string 8 days of raw all together, and by days 7 and 8 I was so peppy I felt like I was 12 years old! So, i"m really hoping I'm a quick detoxer.

So true! And good to know it only took you about a week! I have hope:p

[RollinRaw]

You mean there is hope??:)

[MysticTree]

Hi MommyB,

I think you are very brave to be giving up so many substances all at the same time and I wish you every success. I gave up caffeine a while back so it's been less painful for me than your experience.

I hope you are starting to feel better today.
Georgina

[MommyB]

Hi MommyB,

I think you are very brave to be giving up so many substances all at the same time and I wish you every success. I gave up caffeine a while back so it's been less painful for me than your experience.

I hope you are starting to feel better today.
Georgina

Thank you:) I figured it was all or nothing. Someone said I should have weened myself off of coffee, but that just doesn't work for me... I like it too much and I would have just come up with an excuse to keep drinking it:( I am feeling much better today though! My headache was not there when I woke up and my back and insides don't seem to be as sore:D YEAH!!! Its funny because I had my first craving for SAD: sweets last night, and then this morning wasn't hungry at all. I think I've had a break through:)

[MysticTree]

Wonderful news :D

Georgina

[noodle-o]

I had muscle aches at first as well. I just made sure to get enough calcium and potassium (kiwi is a fantastic source). That really helped.

[MommyB]

I had muscle aches at first as well. I just made sure to get enough calcium and potassium (kiwi is a fantastic source). That really helped.

That is really good to know! Darn, and I almost bought some kiwi yesterday :mad: Next time i get to the store I will get some.

[meg.june]

I quit smoking a year ago (still want one), gave up meat and poultry 6+ months ago and went raw 3 days ago... I am tired, bloated, my joints all ache and my face broke out, my skin feels paper thin and so sensitive... I am soooo with you right now. No one in my house even wants to be in the same room with me.

[meg.june]

giving up diet coke is one of the most difficult things I have ever done...

[MommyB]

I quit smoking a year ago (still want one), gave up meat and poultry 6+ months ago and went raw 3 days ago... I am tired, bloated, my joints all ache and my face broke out, my skin feels paper thin and so sensitive... I am soooo with you right now. No one in my house even wants to be in the same room with me.

Wow!:eek: Sorry! It will get better! Most of my detox symptoms are gone and I'm on day 7. I still have a tiny bit of the headache left, and I feel very sinusy... I'm sure that is from the cigs. I actually don't crave them anymore, though I loved them, I crave coffee more!! I miss it so much in the morning :( I'm sure I'll get over it though. So what made you go raw?