If you distill water please read and comment

[sport]

Shortcut to: http://healingtherapies.info/Fasting&SCI.htm
This link was posted on another thread yesterday. I read it last night and became alarmed.
I drink distilled water and according to this link water which has been heated has the same affect on your body as cooked foods. Does anybody see this as credable.

[KellyL]

I don't usually drink distilled water but I read this the other day and was also shocked. I always thought of water as neutral, not something that fit into cooked or raw. At the same time, I have also heard that it is not good to drink too much distilled water because it can leach minerals from your body. I can't remember where I read/heard it so it could be false.

[lukster9]

duh:eek: so are they saying RAW is bad?

[mulch]

the body is isotonic and everything in it is "balanced"
when you have a hypotonic solution like distilled water being poured into it then there is no longer balance between your cells and the extracellular space. so the liquid on the outside of your cell is diluted like flat pop and inside the cell that is isotonic(balanced) is like bubbles and what happens is the flat pop gets pulled to the inside of the cell where the bubbles are and then you get swelling of the cells because the electrolytes that supposed to keep fluid out of the cell are gone because distilled water does not have any electrolytes. the super serious affect of this is cerebral edema (brain swelling) which can occur if someone is totally fasting on distilled water and aren't taking any electrolytes like nacl table salt, potassium etc.

that is why doctors always recommend to parents to give children pedialyte when they are vomitting and having lots of diarrhea. so parents give the same type of solution (isotonic)=pedialyte that is being loss via vomitting as a replacement supplement instead of plain water and definitely never distilled water.

i think that is why many raw foodist distill their water and then add all of these minerals back into like making rejuvalac.sp.

[luckitri]

I also have been wishing to think of water as neutral - but the purified water that I have been drinking tastes somehow dead to me - which I did post recently.

Many people live in areas where they must boil their water to make it safe to drink. I myself have lived in such an area here in the USA.

I think it is credible.

How much would adding seasalt (www.watercure2.org) and then putting in a glass jar under the moonlight to re-energize would go to resolving this I wonder?

[sport]

Below is an account of the relevant passage.

Much of this effect relates to water itself, a key food component. The molecular bond between the angle of hydrogen and oxygen in H2O is that which the body is actually sensing. Hence, one can have 100% foods not heated past critical temperature and a small amount of water that has been heated past critical temperature (Kouchakoof claimed that water’s critical temperature is 191 degrees), even if it has been cooled again, and this molecular bond is then sensed and, as a result, lymphocyte doubling takes place.

[mulch]

water is not "neutral" it is either hypotonic, isotonic, or hypertonic. and i am sorry that your water tastes "dead" to you. lemon and other citrus fruits can perk up your water. you always can add salt + sugar for a makeshift isotonic water solution but that is just if you are dehydrated otherwise drink normal water, purified, tap or distilled (as long as you are not gorging yourself on it). The only problem with distilled water imo is if you are fasting or sick d/t vomitting or diarrhea.

[mulch]

(Kouchakoof claimed that water’s critical temperature is 191 degrees), even if it has been cooled again, and this molecular bond is then sensed and, as a result, lymphocyte doubling takes place.

i don't personally understand this
why did this person pick 191 degress F or C
when the hydrogen bonds of water are broken d/t heat
evaporation occurs and then the substance is cooled again and then the hydrogen bonds reattach and form water.
i guess i don't understand what does heated water have to do with lymphocyte doubling. the only thing i understand about lymphocytes doubling is when someone has a stressor such as infection, bacteria, toxemia, etc.

[EZ rider]

Question: Now that we know from Kouchakoof that the water is changed at 171 degrees and dosn't change back when cooled will the planet eventually run out of "human friendly" water ? (that is water that dosn't cause the human lymphocytes to double).

[bodaflower]

I get my water from Water Connection where they treat it there in the store, I believe it is distilled which "erases" it's memory (both the positive and negative energies stored in it) which I see as a good thing because it makes it somewhat a blank slate for me to work with. I always store in glass bottles, when I am ready to mature the water, I add a bit of Real Salt for flavor, 20 drops of trace minerals per gallon, MSM if I have it and if I have some made up Sole (please read more on Sole! Google himalayan salt Sole)

Then it's important to spin it into a vortex to pull cosmic energy into the water, also if you spin in the opposite direction it creates chaos which is similar to water in nature rushing over rocks. Next, bless it and even meditate with it, and place it outside in your garden to reconstruct under the moonlight

this is what I do with my water and it's better than any water I've ever drank (except river water!!)
It's the only water I'll drink

[sfdreams]

I drink reverse osmosis water, ususally; but my housemate is into ho'oponopono, and she bought a cobalt blue glass pitcher that we fill up with the reverse osmosis water and leave in the sunshine for at least a half-hour. We then pour it into a refrigerator container with a spigot.

She says the water has healing properties. I don't know enough about it to say either way, (Starfire or the other Hawaii people, do you know about this?) but I figure it can't hurt.

Just a thought to toss out there;)

[EZ rider]

Does anyone put their water into the blender for a minute and crank it up to energize it ?

[sfdreams]

duh:eek: so are they saying RAW is bad?

No, Lukster, my reading of the article intimates that they think Raw is good...that you get the same effect of healing with eating raw as you do with fasting.

[luckitri]

OK that was from the 1930's. How would we find something more recent that might help us resolve this dilemma and feel comfortable with perhaps bodaflower's solution or the one with the cobalt blue pitcher. Any good researchers here?

I had never heard about the angle of the water before and it does concern me. But then again we know that polluted waters can be purified. Perhaps this can also be corrected?

[Marcus]

The molecular bond between the angle of hydrogen and oxygen in H2O is that which the body is actually sensing.

Hi everyone, this is my first post. I've been lurking for a month and have started eating 80% raw for a couple weeks now.

But I jumped in on this thread because I'm a certified Physics teacher. The bond between the hydrogen and oxygen does not change when water is heated. There's no way heat damages water molecules in any way.

But distilled water has no minerals in it, and that can significantly affect the taste, making it very bland.

I'm sure that bodaflower's water is delicious. :)

[Marcus]

Oh yeah . . . We use a Britta filter on our tap water. We can't even detect the chlorine, so we know it's MUCH better.

[sport]

I distill my water.
Then I add about 6 wheat berries to it because I read in The Sproutman's book that helps to remineralise it.
Then I place it on a magnetic coaster and place it in the window for a few hours.
Then I decant it to green glass bottles and place in the fridge.
This may all seem like overkill but water is so important that we need to get it right. I know that there is an implement called a water vortex and I am going to try to get some more info on it.

[lore-ah]

Ugh, if I did anything other than put the filter mechanism on the tap and drink it, I'd never get to my water. I drink way too much water to play around with it. Hopefully I'm not missing out!

[mulch]

i feel you on that lore-ah
i thought i was doing good by ordering ice mountain water
oh well
if nothing else, i like the taste (could be d/t the leaching plastic containers:eek: )
baby steps
maybe next year i will be into the
vortexing and prayer over the water
i like the sun things as well
maybe if i fill up my tub with rocks and pour the water
over it i can mimic the cascading river rocks
or i can get one of those electric cascading fountains
like you see for 9.99 at walgreens and drink from that
sorry about my silliness:cool:

[veganman]

It is funny...I had never heard of this study and then I read about it today in Survival in the 21st Century by Viktoras P Kulvinskas.

Isn't it interesting how things like that happen?

[luckitri]

Can you help us validate or dismiss a concern that has been bothering some of us?

Years ago an alternate health professional told me that using distilled water leaches the minerals from your body and after years of use would create heart problems. He advised getting the liquid minerals to supplement your water in order to avert the health risk.

I know it is not quite your area but thought you might have some sources.

Over the years I have tried two brands of liquid minerals but had problems with each and so stopped using them.

[dreamrawalwz]

Can you help us validate or dismiss a concern that has been bothering some of us?

Years ago an alternate health professional told me that using distilled water leaches the minerals from your body and after years of use would create heart problems. He advised getting the liquid minerals to supplement your water in order to avert the health risk.

I know it is not quite your area but thought you might have some sources.

Over the years I have tried two brands of liquid minerals but had problems with each and so stopped using them.

i know you weren't asking me, but I have heard arguments from both sides. That distilled water will leach minerals, but also that the minerals from spring water are not useable by the body since we can't digest rocks, etc. I think I worded it wrong, but that was basically it. I'm not sure which side I stand. I've been drinking distilled for the last few months and I feel fine. I drink about a gallon of water a day so I don't have time to do all that stuff to my water! I had a glass from the brita filter two nights ago because I ran out of distilled and it was SO gross. I could taste chemicals. There is a big difference in taste to me with brita tap water and distilled. The tap water to me tasted dead or something.

[rawsurfer]

check out berkey filters (http://www.berkeywater.com/start.main.html). they remove everything except for the minerals. they are prety amazing, and ive come to conclude that they are the best on the market. at least they are the best that ive seen.

[EZ rider]

I think the issue here is organic compounds and inorganic compounds. If it hasn't gone through the process of becoming one with the plant (chelation) then the body can't use it and rejects it. The body can't use all that inorganic matter in the water. Distilling removes the inorganic matter from the water. Here's a link to some info about organic compounds that is useful in understanding what helps the body and what the body must expend energy getting rid of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound

[Marcus]

We eat raw fruits & vegetables. They are mostly water: (Apple=85%, Tomato=92%). I was munching on a cucumber (96%) yesterday and was loving it. These water molecules (in our food) are no different than the water molecules in distilled or filtered water. No difference . . . they are identical.

Now . . . because we all eat plenty of raw fruits & veggies, we get a healthy dose of our minerals (along with vitamins & enzymes). Ordinary distilled (or filtered) water is not going to remove the excellent minerals we are getting from our raw food. I have heard anecdotes of people drinking too much water and throwing off their electrolytes, but that was only in cases where people were consuming a gallon or more of water a day. If you are a roofer in Alabama in July, a gallon of water a day probably makes sense. For the rest of us, why?

luckitri - After that diatribe (and if you're still listening :) ) I'll answer your question. If you're eating a nice assortment of raw fruits & veggies daily (especially leafy greens), you are getting a healthy dose of bio-available minerals. (Don't take my word for it . . . confirm that with Alissa's writings or David Wolfe's.) If someone claims that extra, pure water on top of that leaches minerals, then he should provide some concrete evidence to support that.

Don't let some expert's "assertion" persuade you unless they provide evidence. I've been burned by those know-it-alls so many times I keep an extra tube of cortisone in my pocket for the next event.

My attitude is this: We've been told by so many credible people that raw fruits & veggies are good for us. Doctors, nutritionists, ordinary people on forums like this who testify to how their life has changed . . . that it's worth our time to investigate these claims for ourselves and maybe even dive in and try what they're saying. My 5 weeks tells me they are ALL right. I really FEEL and THINK differently now, and I'm loving it.

Plus, I drink a half gallon of water per day. I'm active and I perspire a lot, and I feel great. If you're not active, drink less. If you're more active, and more sweaty, drink more.

[Marcus]

After that ramble - I have also heard how magnesium protects the heart, and other minerals do wonderful things. (Do a google search on magnesium + heart, you'll see.)

My personal theory is that we need EXTRA magnesium for our hearts, or EXTRA vitamin C to fight off a cold, if our bodies are not receiving the overall nutrition that we need. The raw foods provide the general, overall nutrition in the vitamins, minerals, enzymes, antioxidants, and other yet-to-be-discovered nutrients that keep us healthy. So maybe we do not need the "extras" that the mostly cooked-fooder's need?

With that said, I take a B-supplement and extra zinc because I *believe* I have the need for it. Given that I used to take a dozen supplements per day, that's actually a significant change. ;)

I'll provide on-going reports on my health for those who are in a similar place.

[luckitri]

Thank you Marcus.

On supplementation: Recently I read somewhere that there is a specialist who has studied the effects of supplementation. He claims that every time you supplement with 1 item you are creating a deficiency with another. Problem is, I don't know where I have been. I would like to read more about it so am asking if any reader here knows who this is or where the website is.

I am curious about supplementing because the docs want me to supplement for my severe osteoporosis but since they refuse to help me learn which is the most absorbable calcium - I have extremely painful lumps in my backside which I think are from the last time I obeyed them and supplemented with calcium. (Including coral calcium which obviously is not vegan.) Now I am trying to do leafy greens in green smoothies cuz they have calcium and magnesium.

[Marcus]

Now I am trying to do leafy greens in green smoothies cuz they have calcium and magnesium.

And most of the other good minerals that our bodies need. Green smoothies have changed me and I'm never going back. ;)

One caveat . . . Green leafy veggies are a little weak on zinc. Not dissin' here . . . they're great on everything else!!!!! Just an FYI.

[Marcus]

dreamrawalwz be sayin' . . .


I had a glass from the brita filter two nights ago because I ran out of distilled and it was SO gross.

You have a more discerning palate than I. ;) Our family switched from tap to Britta, and we like the Britta. Perhaps after a few years of tasting even better water, we'll think the same of the Britta as you do? It's a journey, no?

Just like my unwillingness to go 100% raw at this time. (75% or so now) Maybe in a year I'll think differently.

The good news is that I'm introducing more raw to my family, who could not care less. But they're starting to eat the fresh fruits I put out. :)

[KellyL]

I have a britta filter sitting under my sink. I don't like the taste of it either. What I do use all the time is the PUR water filter. It is just like the Britta but slightly more expensive, maybe a few dollars more. The water tastes so much better though.

[MysticTree]

In Wales where I lived until recently, the water was so sweet I often took a glass from the stream that ran below the house. From the tap it came pretty much straight from the resevoir above me on the mountain.

Here in Bristol the tap water is not very nice :( Given a choice I'd pipe the welsh water over but otherwise, I like Volvic bottled water.

I can never be doing with filtering my water. I drink too much of it and there is never enough room in the fridge :o

I've never tried distilled water ...

Georgina

[Marcus]

In Wales where I lived until recently, the water was so sweet I often took a glass from the stream that ran below the house.
Georgina

Ohhhh . . . I envy you. :) That water sounds purrrrfect. Loaded with all the good minerals and fresh like rain. Mmmmm . . .

[supergreen]

I don't know about any of this.

But I do know that the best tasting, most refreshing water I've ever had always comes from a cool, clear stream in the mountains. Certainly that means something.

[MysticTree]

Birch sap is hard to beat to for refreshing and full of goodness! Sadly only available in the spring :(

Georgina

[rawmorenmore]

Shortcut to: http://healingtherapies.info/Fasting&SCI.htm
This link was posted on another thread yesterday. I read it last night and became alarmed.
I drink distilled water and according to this link water which has been heated has the same affect on your body as cooked foods. Does anybody see this as credable.I can only recount my experience with distilled. My hair thinned really badly.

I now drink Reverse Osmosis filtered water.

HTH!

[Maria]

Maybe we sometimes get a little bit too preoccupied about the things we ingest. I drank distilled water for YEARS without any ill effects. I distilled it myself. I moved to FL and it got too hot to distill water as half of it would evaporate before I got a chance to use it. Now I'm drinking purified water from reverse osmosis. The water tastes great! How can you destroy water except for putting toxins into it?

I read Dr. Emoto's book about water. He has gazillion pictures of water molecules that look like show flakes. Prayer and other positive words can change the structure of the molecules as the pictures show. He has pictures of all kinds of polluted waters and how they were "healed."

Water is water. Find the best quality and enjoy it! :)

Maria

[EZ rider]

My hair thinned really badly.Water is H2O. Thats 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. Anything else in there is not water. I don't think H2O is going to thin your hair.

[rawmorenmore]

Water is H2O. Thats 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. Anything else in there is not water. I don't think H2O is going to thin your hair.

Hi! Like a previous poster said, distilled water can leach minerals from your body. I believe this is what happened to me...

[baltochef]

Greetings!

I purchased a Big Berkey Water Purifier on 03-17-2007 as an alternative to the Brita Pitcher..The taste of water out of the Brira pitcher was preferable to tap water, although I really prefer the taste of the water filtered in the Berkey to that of the Brita..

Baltimore City is reputed to have above average water quality.. I wished to eliminate the chlorine & flourine from touching my skin & from entering my body..

The Berkey's come in 5 sizes with storage capacities ranging from 1.5 gallons (Travel Berkey) to 6 gallons (Crown Berkey)..They are alledged to be used all over the planet by those individuals & organizations needing clean, potable water where dirty, contaminated water is the norm..

The Big Berkey that I have holds 2.25 gallons in the lower resevoir..All I have to do to always have water to drink & for ice, is to remember to add water to the top resevoir as I remove it from the bottom resevoir via the tap..

Right now it resides on the end of the 24 in. x 48 in. butcher block style rolling cart that takes pride of place in my small row house kitchen..

Since my Vita-Prep 3 sits at the other end of the cart, I use the pitcher of the Vita-Prep to fill the Berkey as needed..

Because it does not have to be put in the fridge, I find the water to be more to my liking as I can consume it at room temperature..

The only two things that I wish Berkey would offer, would be a clear window on the side of the stainless steel lower resevoir so that the level could be checked visually, in addition to a stand that would raise the spigot approximately 10 inches above table top level..

The clear window would be nice, but lower the structural integrity of the unit, which is probably why there is not one..

I am eventually going to have a local woodworker turn me a tapered, cone-shaped hollow wooden base that will raise the Berkey high enough up off of the cart to allow me to place measuring cups, glasses, pots, etc, under the tap for more convienent filling..

Currently the Berkey has to reside on the end of the cart so that the tap projects out over the edge for use..

I'd like to hear from any others out there in "Raw Land" who have any experience with any of the Berkeys..

Thanks, Bruce

[Davylp25]

I have been drinking Distilled water for years. I love it. No probs. But I also add MSM to it... But when i first started I read all the alarmist info as well. Still kept drinking. Loves it!

[Stina]

I just moved into a home that has a lot of sulphur in the water and I have no idea what that means. If someone knows and could share some info that would be great. I got a distiller I'm using. Someone recommended that I drop a small piece of seaweed and let it soak in the final product. Sounds great, but I don't want to gag down fishy-tasting water. I guess I'll have to just double-up on my seaweed consumption.

[groomindogs]

To the person with the severe osteoperosis (sp?). I was listening to revvell's interview with david wolfe and he mentioned something about osteoperosis and calcium. He said its not actually that a person is deficient of calcium but they are missing something else that calcium needs to be absorbed, or something to that effect. I will try to listen to it again so I know exactly what he said. Just wanted to throw this out here for now.

[groomindogs]

Ok i listened to the interview and david wolfe says that magnesium and silicon (sp?) is what you need, that the whole calcium thing is way off, that extra calcium will calcify the body.

[Stina]

Ok i listened to the interview and david wolfe says that magnesium and silicon (sp?) is what you need, that the whole calcium thing is way off, that extra calcium will calcify the body.

So, that means a variety of dark leafy greens for magnesium and cucumbers for silica. Seaweed is full of easily-digestible minerals too

[Green Amour]

Hi! Like a previous poster said, distilled water can leach minerals from your body. I believe this is what happened to me...


I think I had a similar situation. i drank distilled exclusively for about 6 months and started to not feel very good,I think i had very acidic urine and my thumbnail got bumpy. Then, luckily, one day the water delivery guy ran out of distilled,so he gave me some spring water instead. When I sipped it I noticed that I felt energized. So after that it was spring water for me. I'd probably do ok on high quality filtered, but my old kitchen fixture won't fit one. I've had RO before and I liked it as well.

[cherries]

Hi! Like a previous poster said, distilled water can leach minerals from your body. I believe this is what happened to me...


Yes it leaches minerals from your body, the bad minerals. If you want mineral water it would better to add lime or lemon juice to distilled water, and know what minerals are in it, rather than drink tap water that has been in a river or well, gone through the water treatment facilty, through your pipes and then your filter.

That's crappy water, when you realize all the farm runoff that's in it, all the pesticides and fertilizers and all the contact that water has had with pipes that are copper or plastic. When you distill that water, all that junk is left in the distiller's tank when the water becomes steam, it can't follow the steam it has to stay behind, then the steam is cooled and becomes water again - with all of the impurities removed.