Very weak and tired

[Sadha]

It's my 13th day of 100% raw. Starting from the 10th day my energy level went more and more down and now I end up my day feeling like a corpse. I can hardly get up in the morning, it usually takes me up to 40 minutes to raise my head from the pillow. When I am back home from work I am SO tired that I don't have the strength to change my clothes.. Started drinking tons of green tea (with caffeine) again to boost a bit the energy level. No flu symptoms, normal temperature.

Is this detox? How long may it last? What can I do for it to finish? When will I have again the power, desire to live, to move, to do anything else except sleep?

[VeganVixen]

well It sounds like a bad case of detox ,or it could be the flu ,or something like depression or another physical ailment/deficeincy that is presenting itself with the change ,BUT Its PROBABLY THE DETOX...


what is your diet like? mostly nuts ,grains or fruit (what kind of fruit ? dried ,bannana or fresh and light?)
based on the info I can say: Chlorriphyll is VERY good for getting a jolt of life ,so try green juices or smoothies,also the different colors are good for detox and as immune builders ,like the elusive purple color ,found in grapes ,blue and black berries,cabbage,red kale,beets and also orange ,red ,yellow -and of course the dark green veggies (kale ,spinach ,arugala,mache,ect)

also If your feeling lethargic and eating a lot of fats I would suggest limiting those as well as grains......

as for the coffee ,I would try to limit that ,and how about herbal teas ,or at least green tea ~yes there are detox symptoms ,but once you are liberated from the chains of a substance your body can relase and BREATH!!!

I am pretty sure Im bi polar(I get his that last for months ,then lows that CAN last for months) ,when I feel that way I take st. johns wort ,It helps "curb" the depression ,and I also make a list that IF I DO NOTHING ELSE ,i MUST DO THE LIST ,which ussually includes : playing with my little poodle ,hugging smokey (our chow,we have 4 dogs to hug!),doing AT LEAST 15 min. of yoga and every day I add more (like go out and window shop ,or get on the elliptical ,or dance ,or give myself home spa treatments ~even going to the healthfood store helps me!)


Just be aware of yourself (try to know the difference from detox and non-diet related troubles) , stick with it ,if its detox (which it most likely is) it should get better soon and when it does YOU WILL BE RELEASED FROM THE CHAINS OF TOXINS!

[Sadha]

Thank you so much for your reply. Most of all I eat dried fruits including dates with lots of water (herbal teas). I know that this is not good, but at times I feel SO hungry that this is what helps me cope. I also eat bananas (1-2 a day), apples (1-3 a day), grapes and mango (not every day), peas (not every day), oranges, sunflower seeds (up to 100 grams per day), some other nuts, olive or flax seed oil up to 4 table spoons a day in salads, 2-4 tomatos a day, cucambes, cabbage (not every day because of gas in my intestine), sometimes greens (not much because of intestine problems). Very little juicing.

When you say you are bi-polar do you think this is related with eating raw or you had that before you went into raw? If yes, did it improve afer gettint into raw?

I have read that colonics could help speed-up detox, what do you think of it?

[Revvell]

O.k., a couple of possibilities. You say you drink a LOT of green tea. Green tea is caffeinated which means it is a diuretic. IF the herbal teas you are drinking contain caffeine you are most likely dehydrated. Try this ~ for one thing, drink straight, pure water or add some lemon or lime juice for flavor. The green tea you are drinking can be part of the problem.

#2, you say you are eating lots of dried fruit. Sulphured or not? Sulphur dioxide with is used to maintain the color is poison. Many people experience allergic reactions to it. Next, if you insist on eating dried fruit, soak it so it re-hydrates as it will pull water from your system to do it internally. Another hydration problem.

#3. If there is someone near you who can do muscle testing for food sensitivies I highly recommend it. Biggest culprits would be almonds (especially unsoaked), oranges and tomatoes. If you don't know anyone who can muscle test, leave these out of your food program for 3 days. If you find yourself craving them, then you might have a problem with them.

#4. Being that you say raw greens are a problem, turn them into a blended smoothie. Meaning, throw your fruits into a blender and add the greens. They will be partially "digested" from the blending and easier to assimilate.

Hope this helps ~

Revvell

[angelandarose]

Are you drinking enough water? When I get the afternoon sleepies it's because I've not been drinking my water enough that day. Stay hydrated and see if that helps.

Love,
Angie

[Laura C.]

Well,
My idea is this... it's cleansing and lack of nutrients. I think when you first do raw it's not just as easy as "just eat anything as long as it's raw, stick with it and you'll be fine". I know the first thing that happens to me when I cleanse is major fatigue. And when you first go raw it's all different for the first several weeks then things change and even out. There's a transition time. At first one may need TONS of great mostly green juices for all the massive nutrients and balancing.

[tracyinfo]

Sadha, try increasing your greens. It can be easily done with juicing, or throwing them in a fruit smoothie. The greens that blend the easiest are the soft greens such as spinach, cilantro, flat leaf parsley, etc.. The firmer greens such as kale, will blend up in the blender, but it will not be smooth. (at least in my blender it is not smooth)

Also,check out your dried fruit; make sure there are no sulfites in them.

If you like avocadoes, these are also great!

[VeganVixen]

I personally would check your fruits to see if they are REALLY raw ,or dehydrae them yourself -like others have suggested,green juices/smoothies are great -also if you added a teaspoon of blue green algea (or spirulina) to your smoothies/juices...

also try decaf green tea ,first wean yourself by adding to 75 % caffen. ,then 50% then 25% (so on)

I was bi-polar (i think) before ,but afterwards when I had A LOT of energy ,I think all of the vitamins made my energy increase ,but It was nice -as for the time when I go in the "low" feeling its much easier to get out of......of course Its just a self- diagnoses ,and it could be just stress burnout .

[Sadha]

Many thanks to everyone! I will try to read the labels to see if my dried fruits contain sulfurs. However, as I am living in Russia, it is very likely that they will not write that on the labels. Now I will not drink any tea with caffeine - lots of water instead. And greens, of course. Hope that helps. In fact, I am feeling much better today, maybe because I took vitamine C and E in the morning..

[VeganVixen]

очень хороший !!!!!! как Россия? , я говорить малло Русский, до свидания!!!!!

[VeganVixen]

очень хороший !!!!!! как Россия? , я говорить малло Русский, до свидания!!!!!

btw it means ~ Very good! how is Russia? (i think that is wrong grammer though) ,I speak little russian ,good bye!

[Sadha]

очень хороший !!!!!! как Россия? , я говорить малло Русский, до свидания!!!!!

Спасибо :) Очень приятно и неожиданно встретить человека, который говорить здесь по-русски.

[Sadha]

I wonder, maybe my problem is because I started immediately 100% raw. Is everyone 100% raw here? If not, do you still notice positive effects on health and weight?

[tracyinfo]

Sadha, not all people on this board are 100% raw. WE are all on different paths. It seems as if lots of people dove right and went 100%, and others (like myself)transitioned.

However, we all try keep positive about staying on the "wagon".

I would try to ride out this wave of tiredness and see what happens by next week. Also, keep eating! I know it sounds simple, but some people think that they have to count calories and such. If you feel like eating 2 servings of your raw dinner - go right ahead.

Blessings.

[VeganVixen]

да , я жить (live?) B Техасе ,не много говорить По-Русский здесь! я учить сам ,главным образом -свой сочевидный!

[VeganVixen]

I agree with tracy ,a good way to transition is to do a macrobiotic /raw combo ~a lot of people find it easier to have a "formal guide" to the best possible cooked foods,I think its easier to have the guide ,instead of blindly choosing cooked food to transition to raw ,here is the link to my macro. post!



http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3166&highlight=macrobiotic


lol ,forgive my choppy russian ,I REALLY try ,I live in a small texas town and dont use it a whole lot ,my mom used to speak it fluently ,but has forgot a lot of it ,I was sick with gall stones for a while -picked up her old books and started teaching myself ,lol she once tried to be a translater in D.C. but failed the polygraph test when was told to say "I will not use any information against the U.S. " ~that was in the late 70's early 80's ,and the guy said that the machine was unreliable and she could retest later -lol funny!! my mom a russian spy???? hee hee!

[Sadha]

да , я жить (live?) B Техасе ,не много говорить По-Русский здесь! я учить сам ,главным образом -свой сочевидный!

Очень хорошо :) А я живу в Москве, а английский я учу уже много лет, правда, сейчас не учу, а просто использую. Сочевидный?

[Sadha]

Ok. Thanks again to everybody. Yesterday I felt THAT awful that I had to take measures. I was almost dying, fainting and very, very weak. So I purchased some iron in tablets. Helped me in 20 minutes! My brain was bright again, my attention came back, new energy appeared. I guess I didn't include enough iron in my diet (carrots, other). I have read that a human needs up to 15 mg of iron daily. Carrots have 6, grapes 1,5.. so on. You can check for yourself. I have also read that strict vegans often have this problem and, if not solved, they have very serious anemia.

Some plant foods contain much iron but we have to count that in the beginning and be sure we have enough. Vitamine B12 is also related to iron in-flow and we have to ensure we receive it (but my condition was not related to b12 deficiency directly though I am taking a suppliment now). Interesting to ponder on the topic: why do we have to take suppliments if we are eating "all natural".. Maybe our metabolism has during the centuries adapted to certain levels of iron, b12 and protein and, it MIGHT be possible to change that..but slowly.


And the process is painful, rather painful as my experience shows. We all know successful people with decades on raw but we have to remember they have already changed the stadard metabolism we have. I guess for now i will include diary in my diet for protein and strictly trace iron-content foods. Any ideas if vitamine D3 is enough in raw diet?

[Revvell]

Sadha,

Of course you can do as you wish yet, if you wish to get iron AND have some good bm's I would suggest you get some unsulphered Thompson Seedless Raisins, some black figs and prunes. Soak them all day long, eat the fruit and drink the water before going to bed. In the morning ~ voila! People I know who take iron pills tend to get clogged at the other end.

I don't know how/why it is folk are finding they need to take supplements when going raw. For some reason it seems their systems are not absorbing all the wonderful nutrients they are imbibing.

Might I suggest, instead of using dairy ~ which nature created specifically for the babies it was meant to feed ~ I'd like to suggest, nut and/or seed milks. They are high in protein and do not create mucus or draw the calcium from the body creating arthritic conditions and osteoporosis. These milks also tend to create mucousy conditions which is one of the major problems creating lack of absorption. All the propaganda about milk and protein/calcium is created by strong advertising by the dairy industry.

Revvell

[Rawkinlocs]

I agree with Revvell...and to add to what she said re: dairy, please check out this site - http://notmilk.com - just might cause you to change your mind about that dairy!

As it has been suggested, you also need to add more greens to your diet.

[VeganVixen]

если я правилен, Вы - русский? Вы говорите на английском языке очень хорошо! Я думал, что Вы были американскими!, мы надеемся, я буду говорить на русском языке что хороший скоро!!!Я хочу быть больше в состоянии использовать русский язык, и нуждаться в новом словаре!Я не получал ваше последнее слово "Сочевидный"!!


p.s. Вы заставляете меня изучить мои книги и прекрасный мой русский! :)

[Rawkinlocs]

...do you ladies mind PM'ing or emailing one another your conversations that are in Russian? Thanks! :)

[VeganVixen]

oops , sorry or "извините меня " hee hee had to stick that in there,you were asking for it :p :)


BTW : Doesnt EVERYONE speak Russian :confused: ?????? come on its a basic high school foreign language curriculim staple :D :D ;)