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Sharon in Colorado
04-24-2005, 01:29 PM
I found this interesting - I've read about it before, and are aware that there are some 'purists' who don't use garlic or onion. Maybe this would help some folks who might be experiencing symptoms.

I'm posting this in it's entirety since some people have a problem with pop-ups on this site, but I'm including the links, because there are several discussions about it.



The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this, much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world's largest manufacturer of ethical EEG feedback equipment.

We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their progress. "Well, what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my time.

I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests...I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950's. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."

Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned the Alpha-Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves.

So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that it's a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot - a you can smell it shortly later on your wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain.

Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't want to use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of insects.

Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is good for you, and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to put'em to sleep.

If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or attention deficit disorder, they can't quite focus on the computer in the after-noon, just do an experiment - you owe it to yourselves. Take these people off garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then let them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They'll say "My God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems." And this includes the de-skunked garlic's, Kyolic, some of the other products.

Very unpopular, but I've got to tell you the truth.

Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at the Whole Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996, Nexus Magazine.

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You can read all the thread on the discussion here:

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/10507.html

By the way, I do enjoy garlic and onions. I just thought it made for an interesting discussion.

Amethyst_Rain
04-24-2005, 01:42 PM
that sucks sooooooo bad (I'm almost crying right now) I love garlic so much wehhhhhhhhh heeeeeeeee :(

Amethyst_Rain
04-24-2005, 01:46 PM
so why is it then that in "Eating For Beauty" , David Wolfe says that garlic and onions are really good for you?

joy
04-24-2005, 01:48 PM
A number of raw foodists have experienced this--Natural Hygenists, Frederic Patenaude, etc...and I wonder about the supposed benefits of garlic/onions. I've read about the antibacterial properties, and heard it is good for the heart, but I'm not clear on why. Does anyone have info on this?

And could it be that our bodies encourage us to consume these things at times, like to fight a parasitic infection, but they're otherwise unnecessary? I believe animals in the wild do this as they graze, occasionally "craving" something they wouldn't usually eat.

Sharon in Colorado
04-24-2005, 01:49 PM
Now that I think about it, last night at the Passover seder, i did have quite a bit of garlic and onions. In a salad and roasted. Not too long after I had some sharp pains inside my ear, followed by a headache on the same side of my head. I thought it was from all the wine I had. (I did partake in the cooked vegetarian food, just in case you're wondering). I had really vivid dreams last night too.

A_Rain, do you experience any symptoms like that after enjoying your garlic & onions? There may be nothing to worry about.

Sharon in Colorado
04-24-2005, 01:52 PM
Joy, I think you hit the nail on the head. I can't see why garlic and onions wouldn't have its purpose on earth. Maybe not to eat as a meal, but to be used medicinally? It irritates a sick body to cleanse, but also irritates a clean body unecessarily.

Amethyst_Rain
04-24-2005, 01:53 PM
hmmm...sometimes when I eat too much garlic i get really dehydrated, but i haven't had any other symptoms....i eat a LOT of garlic though...i guess it wouldnt hurt to cut down a little bit

joy
04-24-2005, 02:02 PM
I eat a lot of it too, as a habitual thing, primarily (although I do love the taste).

If it is for medicinal purposes, I look forward to getting to the point where I'm attuned enough to my body to know: "I need some garlic now." Or to be "clean" enough to not need it at all...

DennisMB
04-25-2005, 06:45 PM
I ate 2 oinion bread wraps yesterday and I got really dehydrated. Maybe I'll stick to one at a time. But, man, oh man, they are so tasty and my non-raw friends kept saying how good they smelt.

Punky
04-25-2005, 07:03 PM
I love garlic! Hmm...I have ADD too.
I should take notes on how I feel after eating garlic & onions.
Curious.
thanks for sharing this info Sharon!

RawTruth
04-25-2005, 09:33 PM
I ate 2 oinion bread wraps yesterday and I got really dehydrated.

Maybe just from the dehydrated food, though. I always drink a lot more water than usual when I've eaten dehydrated. I think our bodies need it since we wouldn't normally (in nature) eat dehydrated, but, rather, would be eating things with high water content.

Just a thought.

As for me, I eat garlic a lot. And, now that I discovered (due to Chef Ito!) how much taste dehydrated onions can add to a dish ... watch out!!

Thanks, Sharon, for the article on garlic. Are there any on onions? This is definitely something to look into.

VeganVixen
04-25-2005, 10:36 PM
I think you should be wary only if your experiencing problems from them (eating appropriate amounts OF COURSE :P) but other than that it seems a bit "overkill" ,to me

I know garlic is somewhat of a cure all....my moms old snauzcher uses it in her "multi vitamin" and its helped her A LOT

vegangelist
04-26-2005, 12:43 PM
Maybe just from the dehydrated food, though. I always drink a lot more water than usual when I've eaten dehydrated. I think our bodies need it since we wouldn't normally (in nature) eat dehydrated, but, rather, would be eating things with high water content.

I second that. DEHYDRATION more likely to be from dehydrated foods than garlic/onions.

kristi

Lara
04-30-2005, 01:31 PM
one of my mentors, Master Wang, who does Chi Gung and Tibetan bodywork and lectures extensively on veganism, particularly now on more raw veganism, has been telling me for ages to stop eating onions and garlic! In China, the Chinese word for vegan, means "devoid of any animal products and garlic and onions"...he says it's not truly vegan if the food you are eating has garlic and/or onions in it. he says that garlic and onion have "animal energy" or "violent energy", just like animal flesh or any animal by-products.
I don't have any other info on this, no research or data at all, but I have a huge amount of respect for him and he is a living example of spiritual, mental and physical health for me and many many others.
as a result of several years of his gentle encouragement to lay off the garlic and onions (which I love, by the way), I have stopped using them in my home. when I'm out, I won't get too uptight about it though.
there's my two cents...I'm interested in others' thoughts or knowledge on this subject...
Lara

VeganVixen
04-30-2005, 01:56 PM
I know strict Hindus dont eat them (they are considered "dirty" because they are from the ground ) then again strict hindus think of surgeons as somewhat dirty too.......

DennisMB
04-30-2005, 02:57 PM
Food for thought!!! :-)

rawruh
05-01-2005, 12:12 PM
i have avoided onion and garlic completely for past 18 years, because it is known to excite the mind, which isn't helpful for meditation. that is also why Hindus avoid it. Jains avoid anything that grows in the ground. i have a non jain friend who also avoids veges from the ground. he says he wants to eat food that is going in the same direction as him, ie. upwards!

HIndus and Jains will often avoid tea and coffee for same reason - stimulants. could explain the passion of the italians! all that garlic and coffee!

some people i know use the spice Hing or Asofetida has an alternative because it smells and tastes a bit like garlic. sliced cabbage with hing might do it! but i never liked them so much to try an alternative.

twinyoga
05-01-2005, 12:28 PM
Ok, so why does my holistic doctor praise garlic and try to get me to eat it all the time (and my kids)? I believe he does this for the immune system and to fight of infections, but still, he tells me to eat a lot of garlic.

Or maybe this is the case of everything in moderation (and eaten at appropriate times)?