Vaccines

[Leeeeeeena]

Hello!

In Australia, there is a new 'free cervical cancer vaccination' that is being offered to all females aged 10 to 26. I am yet to get mine however, I am really having doubts about it? It just sounds really dodgy to me, one big hoax.
I want to know what kind of information people have come across about any of this - the good (if there is good) and the bad. It doesn't have to be about the cervical cancer vaccination, just any vaccinations in general.

Hope to hear from you,

Lena

[lafsalot]

http://rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=25186&highlight=vaccines Here is a one thread, "vaccines, good or bad" that I was able to find by using the search engine. There are a lot more. Hope this helps ~ Cathy

[tinystrawberry]

i personally would not do it..but here's an article i found about it
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/31/MNG2LFGJFT1.DTL

[Revvell]

You may wish to read The China Study and/or get a copy of the film "Eating". Drugs have yet to cure anything. Just when they think it's gone, it comes back in another form ~ with a vengeance.

Revvellicious

[Leeeeeeena]

Excellent. Thank you very much!

[Portia2012]

My question is this, does the raw foodist believe that we should not get vaccines period? If so, how do we stop diseases from reaching school age children?

I realize this is a old thread, but after reading some of the articles, I am curious as to the different thoughts.


~Portia~

[Liserpiece]

I'm glad this thread got bumped, I'm curious too. I have preschoolers, whom I vaccinate. My 13 year old however, will not be getting the cervical cancer vaccine. I reason that there hasn't been enough time to see its effects. I'm obviously a fence rider, :o but the thought of not vaccinating is scary to me.

[Revvell]

My question is this, does the raw foodist believe that we should not get vaccines period? If so, how do we stop diseases from reaching school age children?


It's not a belief.... it is what it is. As I said in a previous post, drugs do not kill, cure or heal... they poison. Disease is stopped by a strong immune system. It's that simple.

[Raene]

I realize everyone has their own beliefs and views on vaccines, so if you are firm in where you stand, please know that I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't do.
But for me, I know two friends whose children died from vaccines and my daughter got very very sick and I had to stop vaccinating.
Vaccines are made from animal feces, animal brains/other parts, and foreign blood. They are completely unnatural and haven't been tested long enough to know what's really going on with them. Right when they come out with a study saying that they don't cause autism, seizures, etc, they end up having to revoke it.
People don't know this because doctors don't inform patients, but right on the vaccine label it says that children who have weakened immune systems or asthma should NOT be vaccinated. Yet people often think the opposite is true.
Twenty years ago they were giving children somewhere near 1/3 as many vaccines as they now do routinely. And children are not getting any healthier or avoiding diseases. There is no way I would personally put any foreign liquids/chemicals into me or my family ever again now that I have more info.
There are great books about it and there's a great (free) video...I think Dr Tenpenny (?) puts it out but there should be a link somewhere else on the board. I'd highly recommend checking it out.

[juliebove]

I realize everyone has their own beliefs and views on vaccines, so if you are firm in where you stand, please know that I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't do.
But for me, I know two friends whose children died from vaccines and my daughter got very very sick and I had to stop vaccinating.
Vaccines are made from animal feces, animal brains/other parts, and foreign blood. They are completely unnatural and haven't been tested long enough to know what's really going on with them. Right when they come out with a study saying that they don't cause autism, seizures, etc, they end up having to revoke it.
People don't know this because doctors don't inform patients, but right on the vaccine label it says that children who have weakened immune systems or asthma should NOT be vaccinated. Yet people often think the opposite is true.
Twenty years ago they were giving children somewhere near 1/3 as many vaccines as they now do routinely. And children are not getting any healthier or avoiding diseases. There is no way I would personally put any foreign liquids/chemicals into me or my family ever again now that I have more info.
There are great books about it and there's a great (free) video...I think Dr Tenpenny (?) puts it out but there should be a link somewhere else on the board. I'd highly recommend checking it out.

Vaccines are made from animal feces? Can you prove this? Provide a cite?

[Raene]

It's in this video that I mentioned...it's a very well-researched presentation that's available online here: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx

[Portia2012]

So basically are we saying doctors are lieing to us, and that we should not go to doctor's period, and do like that woman who did not take her 11 year old to the doctor to be treated when she was dieing from diabetes?


Don't get me wrong here, I do believe in raw foods to, but I do have to admit that solely relying on raw does not make sense to me.


Yes, I know how it has helped people and I am not denying that, but seriously folks I am not sending my child to a school where the parents have done nothing to prevent communible diseases from being spread.


I am not saying all vaccines are good either. I had to stop my older son from getting the whooping cough vaccine, because he had a severe reaction to the shot.


YMMV.


~Portia~

[Portia2012]

I realize everyone has their own beliefs and views on vaccines, so if you are firm in where you stand, please know that I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't do.
But for me, I know two friends whose children died from vaccines and my daughter got very very sick and I had to stop vaccinating.
Vaccines are made from animal feces, animal brains/other parts, and foreign blood. They are completely unnatural and haven't been tested long enough to know what's really going on with them. Right when they come out with a study saying that they don't cause autism, seizures, etc, they end up having to revoke it.
People don't know this because doctors don't inform patients, but right on the vaccine label it says that children who have weakened immune systems or asthma should NOT be vaccinated. Yet people often think the opposite is true.
Twenty years ago they were giving children somewhere near 1/3 as many vaccines as they now do routinely. And children are not getting any healthier or avoiding diseases. There is no way I would personally put any foreign liquids/chemicals into me or my family ever again now that I have more info.
There are great books about it and there's a great (free) video...I think Dr Tenpenny (?) puts it out but there should be a link somewhere else on the board. I'd highly recommend checking it out.

If your child was dieing, and the only thing that would save them is a vaccine, would you tell the doctor no?


~Portia~

[Davylp25]

Well I think in the case above^^ Thats a last resort after years of an already compromised immune system.

But I have read sooo many negative things about vaccines... Even that in the future it will be a law that your children are vaccinated to attend school. It's quite scary the things I read.

I honestly dont think, the Dr's are Evil, and are purposefully doing this to hurt people, I just feel they have no real clue... Good intent doesn't always mean good outcome.

It's up to you to decide.:D

[Portia2012]

I agree with you, and I am sorry if any of my words come out wrong. Part of it is years of old beliefs drilled in to my head. However, I also believe that common sense comes in to play here, and a person can go to far the other way. I totally believe in the power of raw, and yet I am also not going to sit here, and say raw will take care of me, so I am not going to a doctor period, or rely on modern medicine. Take snake bites for example, when you get anti-venom you are basically getting another snake's venom to counteract the other. If it comes down to dying from a snake bite or taking anti-venom, you can best believe I am going to do something to prevent my death, even if that means putting a foreign substance in my body.


Like I said, this is just my belief, and I love all of you, not trying to start a war on here, and cause trouble.


~Portia~

[Davylp25]

Don't worry I'm not assembling the troops. It's all about personal choice and what makes you feel comfortable. Far be it from me to tell others what to do. It's all love....

I just say educate, and then you decide and make the choice. Your body, your rights. Raw, Blah, or Naw :D :D :D

[Revvell]

Don't get me wrong here, I do believe in raw foods to, but I do have to admit that solely relying on raw does not make sense to me.


First of all, I don't "believe" in raw foods. Either eating raw food makes a difference or it doesn't. From all I've seen, it does.

Secondly, it's not about raw food, it's about doing what it takes to build one's immune system and that includes breathing, movement, right attitude, getting enough water, rest, etc.

I've not been to a doctor since 1980. IF I broke a limb (outside of fingers and toes) OR, was in an accident or been rattlesnake bit, yes, I'd go but for vaccines because THEY believe they work or WANT to believe they work, then no. One of my clients almost died from the flu shot. It was his immune system that kept him alive. He's now 80 years old and refuses to EVER get another flu shot. Drugs kill people. They also compromise the immune system. Doctors want people dependent on their drugs. That's how they create their income. Pharmaceutical companies want us to become dependent on their drugs. That's how they create their massive income. The gov't wants us to become dependent on the drugs... that's how they control the masses.

Revvell

[juliebove]

It's in this video that I mentioned...it's a very well-researched presentation that's available online here: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx

Ah, Mercola. Not going to bother then. I've read too many lies there to be able to put any stock in what he has to say.

[Raene]

If your child was dieing, and the only thing that would save them is a vaccine, would you tell the doctor no?


~Portia~

Heck yeah I would tell em no...b/c vaccines kill. There is no known report saying a vaccine has ever saved anyone's life. Just documented killings. Foods save. Any man-made substance kills.

[Raene]

Ah, Mercola. Not going to bother then. I've read too many lies there to be able to put any stock in what he has to say.

He didn't do the video, it is a woman famous in the anti-vaccine movement. Just b/c you don't like him doesn't mean she isn't credible.

[kaybee]

hey all--what about things like the situation of deep puncture wounds that dont bleed and tetanus anti-toxoid? Im asking this because I ran into a situation last summer where I stepped on a rusty nail in a lake....I havent had a tetanus booster in at least 12 years, and I didnt want to get one. I tried to make the wound bleed and put goldenseal on it, but with situations like that, what is the real solution? Wounds like that are impossible to clean throughly and tetanus is scary. I think I was just lucky and the combination of that along with whatever antibodies were still in my system from the old vaccines probably took care of it...but im wondering if in cases like that it makes sense to go get the anti-toxoid vaccine? not the one where your body builds up antibodies but the actual shot of the antibodies themselves...?? im really not a fan of vaccines and i really dont want to be, but are there any other solutions in cases like this? tetanus is a pretty scary disease if you get it. in my case i had had a number of boosters over the years so i probably still had some antibodies in my system, but what about if I have kids who I choose not to vaccinate? how are they going to avoid tetanus? seems like a huge risk.....

thanks for comments.

kaybee

[juliebove]

Heck yeah I would tell em no...b/c vaccines kill. There is no known report saying a vaccine has ever saved anyone's life. Just documented killings. Foods save. Any man-made substance kills.

I used to work with a woman who was crippled from polio. I'll bet she wished that vaccine had been out before she got it.

[Revvell]

I think I was just lucky and the combination of that along with whatever antibodies were still in my system from the old vaccines probably took care of it...

kaybee

Maybe your immune system took care of it. If a drug is in your system for 12 years, now THAT's scary!

[Davylp25]

I have a question... What would yall do if you had to go to somewhere like East Africa, etc, where Typhoid, yellow fever, some places you have to have an international health card to get in the darn country... What would you do?

:p

[puzit19]

I'm just posting my opinion so don't get me wrong or anything ^_^ or do ;)
Anyways I do believe in our natural bodies- such a perfect machine...
I got really immpressed by it on my 2 100% months of raw journey..
And still realising it everyday since than...

Most of our illnesses are caused by our disbeliefe of ourselves and from all the chaos that were made by lots of politics to confuse the mass (much easier to provide them with short time cures for their fears)
Vaccinations are one of the most "perfect" ideas that were made up and "found out" by sientists and doctors to give us a fast and convinient relief of our fears...

How come so many people in the world have lost their conection to nature? or even worse to themselves and their natural self?
environment? beliefs? traditions?
It is all fear and a bit of confusion....
We tend to go and choose the easier ways of doing things and choosing the most comforting looking choices)
Got a bit lazy I would eveb say... which again are causes of fear - of not dealing with what is really there...

I will always say and promote and remind people- to trsust themselves.. to trust their own natural nature of being!
To deal with all the fears (what are a few days of crying and pains against a whole life of boredem fear confusion etc?)
When a little child get hurt he cries it out he lets it go and stands right up after it as if nothing happened... he learnt' it's not like nothing as happened (for those of you who say you can't be kids because it's stupid) ... well I must say it's the most smartest way of being' look at kids of how they deal with things... how they act naturally, how naturally blissed they are...
Remember your nature, remember you are alive, your body is alive, your all being is alive and is just waiting to be reminded again....

You can think about it ;) And maybe not ^^

With lots and lots of love and trust
Mary

[Raene]

I'm just posting my opinion so don't get me wrong or anything ^_^ or do ;)
Anyways I do believe in our natural bodies- such a perfect machine...
I got really immpressed by it on my 2 100% months of raw journey..
And still realising it everyday since than...

Most of our illnesses are caused by our disbeliefe of ourselves and from all the chaos that were made by lots of politics to confuse the mass (much easier to provide them with short time cures for their fears)
Vaccinations are one of the most "perfect" ideas that were made up and "found out" by sientists and doctors to give us a fast and convinient relief of our fears...

How come so many people in the world have lost their conection to nature? or even worse to themselves and their natural self?
environment? beliefs? traditions?
It is all fear and a bit of confusion....
We tend to go and choose the easier ways of doing things and choosing the most comforting looking choices)
Got a bit lazy I would eveb say... which again are causes of fear - of not dealing with what is really there...

I will always say and promote and remind people- to trsust themselves.. to trust their own natural nature of being!
To deal with all the fears (what are a few days of crying and pains against a whole life of boredem fear confusion etc?)
When a little child get hurt he cries it out he lets it go and stands right up after it as if nothing happened... he learnt' it's not like nothing as happened (for those of you who say you can't be kids because it's stupid) ... well I must say it's the most smartest way of being' look at kids of how they deal with things... how they act naturally, how naturally blissed they are...
Remember your nature, remember you are alive, your body is alive, your all being is alive and is just waiting to be reminded again....

You can think about it ;) And maybe not ^^

With lots and lots of love and trust
Mary



Nice post, Mary, thanks.

[Revvell]

Not go.....



I have a question... What would yall do if you had to go to somewhere like East Africa, etc, where Typhoid, yellow fever, some places you have to have an international health card to get in the darn country... What would you do?

:p

[shine72]

hey all--what about things like the situation of deep puncture wounds that dont bleed and tetanus anti-toxoid? Im asking this because I ran into a situation last summer where I stepped on a rusty nail in a lake....I havent had a tetanus booster in at least 12 years, and I didnt want to get one. I tried to make the wound bleed and put goldenseal on it, but with situations like that, what is the real solution? Wounds like that are impossible to clean throughly and tetanus is scary. I think I was just lucky and the combination of that along with whatever antibodies were still in my system from the old vaccines probably took care of it...but im wondering if in cases like that it makes sense to go get the anti-toxoid vaccine? not the one where your body builds up antibodies but the actual shot of the antibodies themselves...?? im really not a fan of vaccines and i really dont want to be, but are there any other solutions in cases like this? tetanus is a pretty scary disease if you get it. in my case i had had a number of boosters over the years so i probably still had some antibodies in my system, but what about if I have kids who I choose not to vaccinate? how are they going to avoid tetanus? seems like a huge risk.....

thanks for comments.

kaybee

Just went through this with two of my kids not too long ago. TOLD them to put their shoes on before playing outside. THEY chose not to listen. They EACH on separate days stepped on something metal and rusty and proceeded to freak out. I said don't worry. They didn't. They're fine. But that was my choice. I am living what vaccines can do to a kid (autism), so yeah, can't scare me into shooting my kids up with ANYTHING anymore.

Oh, and the military is protecting it's troops with the anthrax shots. That's why hubby almost died from his last one. And that's literally folks. He then proceeded in his smart-arse fashion to call me and tell me I was almost a rich woman (our insurance). I told him I'm richer with him here, alive!

So there, you can use those, or not, in your decision making process. But remember, I am NOT a doctor, this is NOT medical advice, and your MMV!:)

[shine72]

Not go.....

Firstly, in a LOT of cases, there are waivers for dang near everything. And if not, yeah, like Revvell said, not flippin' go!:p

[Portia2012]

That was my whole point, we are not doctors, nor have we had training in such. I find it hard to believe that ancient cultures would study the body if we were not suppose to rely somewhat on doctors for our health.


I still believe in raw foods, but my personal choice is to use basic sense when dealing with my health.


Once again, YMMV :)



~Portia~

[Raene]

Doctors aren't there any more to care about the health of the people. They are, by majority, there b/c they are being paid by the drug companies. They don't care about who gets better, or they'd look to health food...they care about pushing drugs and making money. Cruel truth.

[Revvell]

That was my whole point, we are not doctors, nor have we had training in such.

I think that's a good thing.

We've not learned how to manipulate people and sell them drugs and say our way is the only way and to use invasive techniques such as chemotherapy and radiation and to pressure the FDA into putting licensed doctors in jail who choose another route.





I find it hard to believe that ancient cultures would study the body if we were not suppose to rely somewhat on doctors for our health.

I don't understand the connection. Men took over the role of doctors after burning to death women who really knew how to heal; how to help women have babies and how to really do the work WITHOUT HARM! They called them witches.



I still believe in raw foods, but my personal choice is to use basic sense when dealing with my health.

Not sure what that means yet, I guess it's different for each of us since I don't believe in raw food. Either food, as nutrition and as an immune system builder works or it doesn't. For me, it does.






~Portia~[/QUOTE]

[Portia2012]

I think that's a good thing.

We've not learned how to manipulate people and sell them drugs and say our way is the only way and to use invasive techniques such as chemotherapy and radiation and to pressure the FDA into putting licensed doctors in jail who choose another route.


*I agree with you revvell :) No one has the right way for everyone.



I don't understand the connection. Men took over the role of doctors after burning to death women who really knew how to heal; how to help women have babies and how to really do the work WITHOUT HARM! They called them witches.


*Ahhh yes, the nice old witch hunt. Me do think those men had way to much time on their hands to worry if a female was a witch or not. I often wonder how many homosexuals was killed due to their orientation. Makes one wonder how the people of today can say "Thou shalt not kill" when they killed in the name of their religion far more then we ever did. But, with that said ancient cultures did do such things as embalm people and performed certain medicine, by using drugs that today would be considered illegal.


Not sure what that means yet, I guess it's different for each of us since I don't believe in raw food. Either food, as nutrition and as an immune system builder works or it doesn't. For me, it does.


*You know what I like about you Revvell, you lay your cards on the table, and tell people the way that is for you. You are one special gal.




~Portia~

[lafsalot]

I used to work with a woman who was crippled from polio. I'll bet she wished that vaccine had been out before she got it.

How old was that woman in your office? The Salk vaccine failed completely and the Sabin vaccine was a disaster. It caused many cases of polio and showed no relationship to the disease except for an increase in polio during the early '60s, caused by the vaccine itself!! Oh, and btw, they were both made of monkey kidney tissue which is now believed to be directly responsible the major increase in leukemia! ~ Cathy

[juliebove]

How old was that woman in your office? The Salk vaccine failed completely and the Sabin vaccine was a disaster. It caused many cases of polio and showed no relationship to the disease except for an increase in polio during the early '60s, caused by the vaccine itself!! Oh, and btw, they were both made of monkey kidney tissue which is now believed to be directly responsible the major increase in leukemia! ~ Cathy

No clue. She was older than me and I'm 48 now. I'm not a good judge of age.

[femaleuna]

Wow, thank you for this reference. It has informed me beyond a doubt and given me the words to use confidently when my belief is challenged. Awesome presentation. I am ordering "How to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor"

[Raene]

OMG I have this book and I LOVE IT! When my daughter was a baby I remember one of my friends reading it and I thought she was such a mainstream person to read a book like that. I bought a copy and love it!