Who Shouldn't Be Raw?

[RawkStar]

Is there anyone? I read in a post here that not everyone should be, so I was wondering who that was referring to. People with diverticulitis? Alissa said (if I remember correctly) to just go easy on the nuts.

I have multiple ulcers, esophagitis, and erosions in my stomach lining. My homeopath said absolutely NO RAW and that it would be the worst possible thing for me. In fact, he said it would be very, very bad.

I'm doing it anyway (100%) because I'm not sure he is correct. So far I feel much better than I have the last few months, with the exception of today.

Am I crazy to go against his advice?

[Veganforlife]

I can't think of ANYONE who should NOT be raw. It's what we were/ARE meant to eat.
Are you taking meds that this doc prescribed for you? Course he doesn't want you to go raw - then he'd lose a patient - read my testimony down by my signature how I healed myself eating 100% raw and totally got off my thyroid meds in less then a year.
What was his reasoning for his nutty comment that it would be very, very bad? Why, cuz you'd heal? He is very, very bad!!!
Doctors are NOT nutritionists. They aren't any better then street drug dealers. It's just they are legal; the street dealers aren't. It sickens me. The United States is the ONLY country that can legally show DRUG commercials on TV. I heard New Zealand can too, but is soon banning them. It's insane.
You're not crazy to go against his "wishes". I say jump in 100% for 30 days. See how much better you feel and then show your doctor you know what you're talking about. Stump the doctor. Man - I loved playing that game this past year!

[StarFire]

I can't think of ANYONE who should NOT be raw. It's what we were/ARE meant to eat.
Are you taking meds that this doc prescribed for you? Course he doesn't want you to go raw - then he'd lose a patient - read my testimony down by my signature how I healed myself eating 100% raw and totally got off my thyroid meds in less then a year.
What was his reasoning for his nutty comment that it would be very, very bad? Why, cuz you'd heal? He is very, very bad!!!
Stump the doctor. Man - I loved playing that game this past year!


Vegan... I just gotta say I LOOOVE YOU GIRL!! I was eating a salad while reading your response and it caught me so off guard - I snorted and laughed all at the same time and now I've got lettuce up my nose!!http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/FireStar_830/laugh.gif!!

RawkStar... I am not a medical professional - but I cannot imagine how raw foods could every hurt anyone. I think it will take time to heal, and give yourself that time you need to heal... don't think it will happen over night - and you may experience times of detox where you may feel worse - but be patient and I know you will see the blessings

and do read VeganforLife's testimony -- it's awesome!

and now - I need to go blow my nose to try to remove this lettuce....;) :D

[Veganforlife]

Oh StarFire - my apologies! But you can pull off lettuce up the nose - you're so pretty. Me? It would just match the Green Smoothie spots I usually have on the bridge of my nose, sides of my mouth - on my shirts, etc.

Babies, toddlers, school age children, teenagers, young adults, adults, the elderly - nope, that about runs through gamot of everyone person I know and I can't think of any of them that couldn't be raw.

I just thought how cool to challenge your doctor to a 30-day raw food diet challenge and see what he thinks. I mean a totally 100% raw 30-day challenge. I bet he wouldn't be pill pushing...no wait, he would. It's legal, fast, easy money. And sadly humans trust doctors. So sad...I think I'd trust a street drug dealer more then a doctor...

THAT is my goal to turn nursing homes into Green Smoothie Haven Homes; inner cities into green gardens for green smoothies; Africa into green smoothie paradises - can't you see those beautiful people with their beautiful smiles and their green smoothie moustaches???

[EZ rider]

There have been some interesting studies done on the beneficial effects of raw cabbage juice on healing ulcers. I don't see how anyone in the know about nutrition can say natural raw foods from mother nature are bad for you. I would seek a second opinion from another doctor who knows something about nutrition.

[RawkStar]

That's what I don't get. He's a HOMEOPATH! Shouldn't they be more open about these sorts of things? I have to say, I was shocked. No reasoning, though, since the reply came to me via his nurse.

Not all doctors are bad. I don't believe that at all. My dad, for example, is a cardiologist and I don't think he's worse than a drug dealer. In fact, I think he's pretty awesome and I kinda like him. ;)

He is one of my main supporters on going raw. He does think the homeopath is a money seeking quack, though. :eek:

[Veganforlife]

There have been some interesting studies done on the beneficial effects of raw cabbage juice on healing ulcers. I don't see how anyone in the know about nutrition can say natural raw foods from mother nature are bad for you. I would seek a second opinion from another doctor who knows something about nutrition.

You really think there are any out there that do know much about nutrition? Now drugs - they are very well versed in them. I was always amazed EVERY time I would go to my thyroid doc while waiting, which is another thing that would PO me - waiting. Why? Anyway, I'd go and see a drug rep. come in with samples. EVERY time. How bizarre is that? These legal drug runners can walk in and make a deal. WHOA!!! I don't trust doctors as far as I can pick up my VW and heave it. Even holistic ones - they too are in it for the money. Maybe just a wince more for your health, but not much...I know I'm gonna get some folks say, but, but...well, you can say but all you want, but I KNOW raw foods are the only doctor I will need. Unless something gets broken or cut open.

[lytlsprout]

My doctor tells me not to eat raw too. I have colitis. He tells me to eat wheat, like white breads, and cheese and things like that. Well when I eat that I get very sick. And I can eat the nuts he tells me not to eat till the cows come home and have not problems. I think they think it's bad because it's roughage. And if you eat meat and roughage maybe it's hard on your system, but I find raw veggies are easier for me to digest. It's not processed so your body knows what to do with it! And when you start, because you have digestive problems, I suggest smoothies! Put your greens right in there and blend them up (predigest them). Dave Klein's book talks about transitioning to raw with digestive problems.

[Veganforlife]

That's what I don't get. He's a HOMEOPATH! Shouldn't they be more open about these sorts of things? I have to say, I was shocked. No reasoning, though, since the reply came to me via his nurse.

Not all doctors are bad. I don't believe that at all. My dad, for example, is a cardiologist and I don't think he's worse than a drug dealer. In fact, I think he's pretty awesome and I kinda like him. ;)

He is one of my main supporters on going raw. He does think the homeopath is a money seeking quack, though. :eek:

That is great your Dad is supporting you - kudos to him. Of course if one of my parents were a doctor, I'd maybe feel differently. I think too the homeopath docs know many are turning to them and can get the almighty dollar.

[EZ rider]

My doctor tells me not to eat raw too. I have colitis. He tells me to eat wheat, like white breads, and cheese and things like that. Well when I eat that I get very sick.
Maybe your doctor has a large mortgage payment that he needs to keep making by keeping you on the sick client list with a lot of other people waiting for him/her to cure you all.

[dreamrawalwz]

I'm not making excuses, but most doctors, along with the rest of the public, just DON'T KNOW! Doctors have only a 1 semester class roughly on nutrition. They know what they hear from the news, articles, radio, tv, etc. Even homeopaths. If I'm not mistaken they know a lot about herbs and SHOULD know more about nutrition, but not necessarily.

[RawkStar]

And when you start, because you have digestive problems, I suggest smoothies! Put your greens right in there and blend them up (predigest them). Dave Klein's book talks about transitioning to raw with digestive problems.

Thanks! I'll check that book out right now. I asked my dad, and he says for the life of him he can't figure out what would be so bad about eating fruits and vegetables. :rolleyes:

I can't wait to go back to the homeopath thin, healthy, and pain free w/o taking any of his $$$ supplements.

[Nurse in the Raw]

I'm not making excuses, but most doctors, along with the rest of the public, just DON'T KNOW! Doctors have only a 1 semester class roughly on nutrition. They know what they hear from the news, articles, radio, tv, etc. Even homeopaths. If I'm not mistaken they know a lot about herbs and SHOULD know more about nutrition, but not necessarily.

This is true. Nurses too, myself included only have 1 semester of nutrition. I know a little bit more than the average nurse/doctor because I have been studying nutrition for a long time but I can tell you doctors know NOTHING about nutrition so taking advice from them is like going to the eye doctor for a tune up.

[SmilingRawDancer]

I want to major in nutrition SO BAD because I'm SO INTERESTED in it, but....I don't think that there are any good jobs available, and I want to make ALOT of money....:(

[beppa66]

Smiling Raw,
The secret to making money is looking for needs that aren't being met. I just read all of the above...SOUNDS like there's a need for Doctors to know more about nutrition!

Perhaps there is something there, hold seminars or write guides for doctors. Do what you love not just what makes money.

[SmilingRawDancer]

What I love is making money;)

yeahhh I'm still pondering every option :)

[beppa66]

LOL. Seriously. You will get to a point where money isn't enough. You can make great money AND do what you love.

[Zella Juice]

have you tried cabbage juice? it's supposed to do wonders for the stomach. You have to drink it right away after juicing it.

I would start out juicing and having blended greens in your smoothies and when your health starts improving..then start going raw.

[barose]

I cant think of anyone who shouldn't raw. Raw food is so diverse, I cant imagine ALL raw food being "bad" for someone. Not all raw food has to be dark greens and bananas. Some people who cant eat nuts can tolerate nut milk. Coconut meat is a good source of easily digestible fat. Just to name a few.

[yasi]

My doctor tells me not to eat raw too. I have colitis. He tells me to eat wheat, like white breads, and cheese and things like that. Well when I eat that I get very sick. And I can eat the nuts he tells me not to eat till the cows come home and have not problems. I think they think it's bad because it's roughage. And if you eat meat and roughage maybe it's hard on your system, but I find raw veggies are easier for me to digest. It's not processed so your body knows what to do with it! And when you start, because you have digestive problems, I suggest smoothies! Put your greens right in there and blend them up (predigest them). Dave Klein's book talks about transitioning to raw with digestive problems.

I am a student at the School of Natural Healing- I am studying to be a Master Herbalist. Anyway, one of the things Dr. Christopher always taught is that first and foremost to heal anything- especially issues with digestion and bowels is DIET! "Fresh fruits and veggies, whole grains (soaked and sprouted and "low heated" which is still raw and has the life in it so it could be planted and grow), nuts and seeds." Such things as dairy, white flour (or any flour for that matter), eggs, red meat, etc are to be avoided like the plague. He always quoted Hippocrates and said, "Let your food be your medicine and your medicine be your food." The herbs that he used were "food" herbs- foods for various parts of the body- NEVER anything toxic, habit forming, or dangerous. Herbs like cayenne, ginger, fennel, catnip, etc. So, in terms of not eating raw, that is garbage!
As for the homeopathic doctor saying not to eat raw- he is plain nuts. Homeopaths know one thing- drugs. They are not pharmaceutical drugs, but they are still drugs. They may not be harmful in the sense that they have tons of side effects etc, but they do NOT work on the cause of the dis-ease- they work on the effect (not to mention they do use toxic substances, animal parts, etc that I wouldn't want in my body even if it is the essence and energy of the thing). Food on the other hand, if you use fresh fruits and veggies... works on the cause- constipation or blockage of ___ fill in the blank. It nourishes and allows the body to do what it is designed to do- WORK and HEAL itself!!!

[bunnybunny]

I know many people here won't agree with me, but I am sure there are some people who wouldn't thrive on a raw diet. I imagine that people who have certain diseases that affect the digestive system, such as Crohn's and cystic fibrosis, might not benefit from a raw diet, and might actually suffer from it. This is just something I've been thinking about lately.... Feel free to disagree. :)

[Priscilagj@mac.com]

here's the thing. I don't think we should talk like that about doctors either. sure, we can succeed without them. But then again, they do save lives, not everyone WANTS to go raw (though they should).
There's certain doctors out there that cure diseases without meds. My mom's a neurologue, she's helped plenty... never prescribed a thing.
But again, going raw is about the best thing you can do.
My parents always told me that when you need to do something, you should. It's mostly because your body is leading towards it, and you want it. So raw, is a great choice! =]

[Lindazkewl]

and now - I need to go blow my nose to try to remove this lettuce....;) :D You are hilarious - btw - where'd ya get the laughing smilie from? :)

[EZ rider]

In my opinion raw foods are healthier and more acceptable to the human body then cooked foods. Some cooked foods are tasty and so are some raw foods. Alissa has moved raw foods to a whole new level of tasty with some of her recipes. For me I don't see any reason not to eat raw foods for the health of it.

[SmilingRawDancer]

I think the everyone should and can be eating raw.
but I think for people who have such strong chemical/cooked dependance, and have long term been eating nothing raw, there is a period of major transition time that they might find deems them as "allergic to raw foods"....when really, they're not.
For example: I eat over 60 grams of fiber a day.
For someone who is eating a whopping 15 grams a day, if they'd one day ingest 60 grams, they'd probably feel SICK. In multiple ways. But that DOES NOT mean that they "aren't meant to eat raw foods".
One can wonder how people get sicknesses like Crohns and Cystic Fibrosis - not to sound "radical", but I truly believe that everything is caused by a nutritional "break in the chain" somewhere along the way, whether it be from your mother, who didn't eat well her whole life and then birthed you, or from yourself.

[bunnybunny]

But cystic fibrosis is caused by a mutated gene, it's not like it was any one person's fault. Gahhh I dunno. :(

[StarFire]

You are hilarious - btw - where'd ya get the laughing smilie from? :)


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[Lindazkewl]

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[JudyMac]

I thought you might like to know, that 7 years ago I was diagnosed with an ulcer and told to dump my new at the time, vegetarian diet.
I didn't give it up, but I did do some research and talked to dietiticians, and nutritionists at the hospital where I worked.
The consensus was, being veggie was ok, just to avoid drinking undiluted lemon, lime and orange juice, all of which may cause irritation to the stomach if drunk straight.
I mixed apple and lemon which was ok, but had to dump lemon barley, and lemonade, margaritas and orange juice. After a year I found I could add them back again in moderation.
I hope that helps :)

Veganforlife, you crack me up! :p

[raw_danceruk]

Agreed, raw is wonderfull for ALL

The first..and last consultant I saw for my crohns told me, stop eating so many vegetables..and to eat a low residue diet of rubbish basically.. white bread.. refined utter rubbish!!.. oh and get a steak too he said!!

£200 to tell me..my bowel would last and I just needed to stop being veggie and start filling myself with rubbish.. didnt repeat that one!!

ick.. Now all raw, all healed and steroid free for the first time in 5 years.

So much for no veg.. :p

[queenb]

"doctors know NOTHING about nutrition so taking advice from them is like going to the eye doctor for a tune up."

LOL!!!

Just about every kind of "Holistic Health" practitioner (acupuncturist, Chinese medicine, yoga teachers, those people who test everything on the planet to check its "energy", etc) I have spoken to about raw foods has given me some line of !@#$ about how raw foods are not "good" for "everyones" constitution, how they have been "raw" and it didn't help them, how raw foodists are crazy radicals, how raw food isn't a practical diet, yaddah yaddah yaddah...

I just know that I havn't been sick or to a doctor (except for Lyme tick bite) for over five years, ever since I started eating a healthy, nearly vegan diet. The only lingering health issue I had was depression which cleared up within a week on raw food.

[barose]

The only lingering health issue I had was depression which cleared up within a week on raw food.

I envy you. I'm going on 5 months and I feel pretty much the same way as I did before going raw--if not worse at times.

[Judy]

The only reason I can think of why people shouldn't go raw, or at least not for 100% immediately, is because the detox can be too great and too suddenly, especially when you're really sick, or have really bad health. But, not everyone is the same, so people might have different reactions.
Plus, raw food can be done in so many different ways and you should figure out what works best for you. A high fruit diet for example may not work for everyone, especially when you've got certain illnesses. But I'm not an expert, if you need help in that area, except for reading books and educating yourself, you can ask help from raw food professionals with a lot of experience with sick people (Gabriel Cousens comes to mind, as Brian Clement from the Hippocrates Health institute) and directing other issues in your life that may be of influence on your health. Enough sleep and movement, spiritual fullfilment etc... Food is only one thing, it's important, but it is not the all in all.
I'd say, always listen to yourself and to what your body says, never give your power to another. Only you know how you feel, trust that feeling. If you feel good, that's a good sign. It makes sense you feel insecure, because you're on new and unknown territory. Just keep an eye on how you're doing, educate yourself and do turn for help if you feel like doing so. In that case, look for people who have experience with raw food and understand what you are trying to do, not for people who are against it.

[Veganforlife]

Alissa too has worked with hundreds of people and all types of illnesses, levels of sickness, health issues, etc. I value her input in this and she feels that raw can and does work for every one.
We created these illnesses. And we created them by eating SAD/CRAP chemical/pesticide/hormone/crap-laden so-called foods. Those aren't foods. Even cooked foods are void of every living life-force. Why eat something that is dead?
Those that claim to be genetic illnesses? Well, that can be reversed by eating raw. Let YOU be the one in your family to stop that 'genetic' illness.
I so believe raw is how all life was meant to eat.
Humans started out raw until fire was discovered.

[EZ rider]

In my opinion anyone (including doctors) who thinks that eating processed foods is better then eating fresh from the garden foods is going to find out the hard way that they were in error.

[queenb]

Hi Barose-
I credit the quick lifting of my depression to taking 1-2 tsp. of maca everyday... I noticed that it helped me right away. I also eat ALOT of coconut products, both fresh nuts and coconut oil. Hope this helps and many blessings to you...

[SmilingRawDancer]

I guess if people have IBS problems and don't want to eat raw out of fear, I'd still recommend 100% percent vegan/no soy cooked.
If I had eaten vegan my whole life I STILL wouldn't be in the health that I am now, but I'd be TOONS better than I was on non-vegan cooked.
I don't remember who, but someone posted a chart of "the levels of healthful food" like #1 best is vegan raw, #2 vegan cooked etc and so on, the worst being SAD, vegetarianism somewhere in the middle.
I LOVE raw, but just getting america to wake up and smell the roses and go VEGAN would be the BEST I could hope for. Yeah, half or more of the nutrients are gone, but they're still there, and the folks wouldn't be eating dead roasted animal flesh.

[Green Life]

It's true. Doctors don't know much about raw nutrition.

but they sure come in handy when you need them to stitch ya up
re-set a broken bone,
or to save your life in an emergency.

Thank GOD for them!:D You may just need one some day! I know I have for all of the above.

[rainbowgirl]

I'm gonna be the odd one out too and say that some genetic diseases, such as Cystic Fibrosis, are always gonna be here, (well, with genetic therapy, maybe there can be a treatment/cure).

I don't think raw can cure the genetic diseases that your grand children may get, or that run in your family/gene pool.

BUT, I believe that raw can help most people, and even my kids (on a very specialized diet), eat maybe 50 percent raw or more. And I always tell people to eat a salad before their meal as a start, and eat more fruit and veggies raw.

I think people don't know that the changes in me are not just exercise based, but if they ate with me, they'd know. I ate at my neighbor's house last night, and had two lovely grapefruits.....yummmmmmm! She knows all about it, but is always at odds of what to serve me. I just bring whatever I want. GOtta go eat another grapefruit now!

Sue

[dreamrawalwz]

I'm gonna be the odd one out too and say that some genetic diseases, such as Cystic Fibrosis, are always gonna be here, (well, with genetic therapy, maybe there can be a treatment/cure).

I don't think raw can cure the genetic diseases that your grand children may get, or that run in your family/gene pool.

BUT, I believe that raw can help most people, and even my kids (on a very specialized diet), eat maybe 50 percent raw or more. And I always tell people to eat a salad before their meal as a start, and eat more fruit and veggies raw.

I think people don't know that the changes in me are not just exercise based, but if they ate with me, they'd know. I ate at my neighbor's house last night, and had two lovely grapefruits.....yummmmmmm! She knows all about it, but is always at odds of what to serve me. I just bring whatever I want. GOtta go eat another grapefruit now!

Sue

This is true, however, there have been a lot of "dis-eases" considered "genetic" that are not. Genetic disease such as downs syndrom or cystic fibrosis can't be healed with raw, but I'm sure the symptoms could be lifted a little. As for cancers that are "gentic" most aren't. Only 2% i think. Same with most diabetes. There may be a genetic Precurser that is TRIGGERED by diet. When I think of "genetic" it means something you can't control. Cancer you usally can control and prevent. If Cancer were genetic, it would seem that it's there no matter what you do, you can't escape it, and whatever you do you can't heal it. Well, you can. Ok, sorry, off my soapbox now :D That wasn't directed at you BTW, just in general.

[barose]

I think there is a clear difference between 100% genetic diseases (sickle cell anemia, cystic fibrosis, etc) and diseases that have a "genetic predisposition" such as cancers, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. For instance, sickle cell anemia occurs when a person inherits two abnormal genes that cause their red blood cells to change shape. Diet cannot change that. It could probably help, but it has not been known to cure, unlike the reports we read about people curing their own cancers through a raw diet or even a macrobiotic diet alone.

Then again, my mother is a pediatric RN (nurse for almost 37 years) and see babies born with cancer. It wasnt something they did to cause it, nor were they this Earth long enough that lifestyle was a factor. What could be done in those situations?

[dreamrawalwz]

Then again, my mother is a pediatric RN (nurse for almost 37 years) and see babies born with cancer. It wasnt something they did to cause it, nor were they this Earth long enough that lifestyle was a factor. What could be done in those situations?


What about the mother's diet? That has a huge role in it as well. Not saying you're wrong and I'm right, just a thought...

[barose]

What about the mother's diet? That has a huge role in it as well. Not saying you're wrong and I'm right, just a thought...

I'm sure that plays a huge role, but there are other forces we cannot control: air pollution, pesticides in food (unless you can afford all organic and/or grown your own) and so on.

[dreamrawalwz]

I'm sure that plays a huge role, but there are other forces we cannot control: air pollution, pesticides in food (unless you can afford all organic and/or grown your own) and so on.

Yea, that too. They're all triggers and I guess no one knows which is the one that tops the cake, so to speak.

[barose]

Yea, that too. They're all triggers and I guess no one knows which is the one that tops the cake, so to speak.

I wonder if we will ever know. We just have to do the best we can I suppose.

[Teraw]

Is there anyone? I read in a post here that not everyone should be, so I was wondering who that was referring to. People with diverticulitis? Alissa said (if I remember correctly) to just go easy on the nuts.

I have multiple ulcers, esophagitis, and erosions in my stomach lining. My homeopath said absolutely NO RAW and that it would be the worst possible thing for me. In fact, he said it would be very, very bad.

I'm doing it anyway (100%) because I'm not sure he is correct. So far I feel much better than I have the last few months, with the exception of today.

Am I crazy to go against his advice?
You should eat citrus fruit. I posted a reply to this same type of situation. Click on my name and review my posts. I think you will enjoy the success story!

[lukster9]

Rawkstar why don't you have a consult with Alissa? if anyone can properly answer this question it is her! Call the number on her site and schedule a phone conslt. :p

[irishserra]

My husband suffered from stomach ulcers for years (and he's only 33!). He finally ditched the conventional doctor in favor of the homeopathic doctor and was told the same thing.

Actually, his doctor did advise him to drink cabbage juice like someone else mentioned, and the slime of okra, but I think he said the reasoning behind avoiding raw fruits and veggies had to do with the stomach working so hard to digest it.

I think that's where a savory green smoothie could really be beneficial. If it's been semi-"processed" in a vitamix, your body doesn't have to work so hard to digest it.

Also, has your homeopathic doctor taught you how to move your stomach down with you hand? He told my husband that when your stomach works to hard to digest food and cramps, it tends to move up too far into the rib cage and cause heart burn. My husband doesn't even suffer from heart burn anymore. He simply lays on his back, takes his fist and uses it to move his stomach back down to it's proper place.

Strange, but it works!