HELP!! Type 2 Diabetes

[Melindaxl]

Hi, my boyfriend Scott has type 2 Diabetes, he takes 65 units of insulin every day, I worried to death about him. I keep trying to convince him to stick to all raw fruits and vegetables for his carbs, but he keeps thinking he has to have some starches in his diet to get enough carbs. I tell him all he has to do is eat plenty of fruits. He tells me the dietition tells him he has to have some starches.
We all know starches is deadly-especially for diabetics because it keeps them from producing insulin which is what there having a problem with already. Plus it causes constapation and stored fat because it turns to surgar too fast and don't get used up fast enough, so it gets stored instead.
Plus I've tried to get him to use nuts & avocados instead of meat. He tells me that he don't get enough proteins that way, since they have plenty of carbs in them too. His doctor tells him he has to have a little bit of lean meat (like a size of a deck of cards) inleast 3 times a day. He want's to listen me, but he want's to listen to his doctor too.
Is there anyone in this site that has or had type 2 diabetes and is controling it on the raw food diet. Could anyone help me explain this to Scott. He really need's to loose weight and decrease his insulin or I'm afraid I might loose him, he's been a diabetic mainley his whole life. It's hard for him when he's at home with his family because most of the time it makes it more tempting looking and smelling the food and when his mother leaves food in the microwave for him that he shouldn't have which is meat, dairy & starch.
He's like 5'9 and his weight is around 250 lbs. He tries to walk 30 min. 3-5 times a week. He's works in a hospital as a house keeper. He does alot of walking and lifting heavy tables. He drives a hour to work and back because around here there's not much for those kind of jobs.
Does anyone have an idea of how we can get his blood surgar balanced on this diet because with the insulin it's confusing. He was trying to stick to some fruit and a salad with a little bit of meat, but by the end of the day he's not even had 1400 calories. I keep telling him he needs more fruit, but he won't listen to me. Can anyone help us out with his diet and anything else you have in mind for Scott.
Thanks in advance and sorry so long! Have a great day and take care!
Melindaxl

[sachis2112]

I think you'll find that a number of people are able to help control their diabetes although I have not yet encountered anyone who has COMPLETELY gone off insulin.

First step is for him to try 1 day raw. On the weekend when he's with you ALL DAY so that he can feel comfortable that he has someone to take care of him if he runs into trouble. The next weekend, do Saturday AND Sunday. The following, start with Friday and go through the weekend. If he doesn't feel any worse for the wear, he might be willing to go longer.

I think it's also very important to encourage him to see another docotor for another opinion. If you know he's getting bad advice, you'll just have to do what you can to convince him that another opinion is vital.

[Sharon in Colorado]

This page has a ton of info and references to back it up. You can even look up the values on your own and the glucose from processed grains is a lot higher than fruit.

Hope that helps.

http://www.ringlet.org/journals/writings/Diabetes.php

Also try contacting Sweet Lips on here. She has a lot of sources as well.

[Green Girl]

Seeing that he is type 2 , please use caution when going raw.
(if he ways that)

When a person is type 2 , their pancreas stops working overtime.
my brother had a pancreas transplant, but it does not produce, so it was a waste of money and pain.

With him fruits make his sugar go sky high, :mad:
but on veggies he is fine. :D

Just a few thoughts for you

[asil]

Yes, be careful! Type 2 runs in my family, and it's a scourge. IMO, and based on what I have observed with my mom, uncles, aunts, and cousins, the important thing is to take advantage of fats' ability to slow down carb absorption. So nuts or oils are going to be a big help. He needs to combine things like carrots and almond butter; salad with oil; smoothies with nuts Again, IMO, more sweet fruits are the last things he needs, at least until he loses weight and gets his insulin under control. Concentrate on more veggies and non-sweet fruits.

And this is probably not in keeping with most people's ideas here, but in his situation, a little meat is the least of his worries -- animal proteins and fats are more or less metabolically nuetral as far as insulin is concerned.

Of course I think raw is absolutely the best diet, and the more happy raw minerals, vitamins, and fiber he gets, the better he'll feel. But his body, right now, just can't take a lot of sugar and starch.


I do know people who have *drastically* reduced their insulin needs by eating low carb raw veggies and fruits, nuts, oils, and cooked animal protein. It's not the plan that people do here on this board; it's not vegan; it's not what I do or plan to do; but, hey, I'm not the one struggling with this very serious issue.

Hope he finds something to help.

[VeganVixen]

Yes, be careful! Type 2 runs in my family, and it's a scourge. IMO, and based on what I have observed with my mom, uncles, aunts, and cousins, the important thing is to take advantage of fats' ability to slow down carb absorption. So nuts or oils are going to be a big help. He needs to combine things like carrots and almond butter; salad with oil; smoothies with nuts Again, IMO, more sweet fruits are the last things he needs, at least until he loses weight and gets his insulin under control. Concentrate on more veggies and non-sweet fruits.

And this is probably not in keeping with most people's ideas here, but in his situation, a little meat is the least of his worries -- animal proteins and fats are more or less metabolically nuetral as far as insulin is concerned.

Of course I think raw is absolutely the best diet, and the more happy raw minerals, vitamins, and fiber he gets, the better he'll feel. But his body, right now, just can't take a lot of sugar and starch.


I do know people who have *drastically* reduced their insulin needs by eating low carb raw veggies and fruits, nuts, oils, and cooked animal protein. It's not the plan that people do here on this board; it's not vegan; it's not what I do or plan to do; but, hey, I'm not the one struggling with this very serious issue.

Hope he finds something to help.



I agree abiut the sugars : raw and natural sugars are STILL sugars ,and KEEP OFF THE RED MEAT AND PORK ,AT LEAST!!!!!!! :eek:

[Melindaxl]

Thanks everyone for your help!! Sharon in colorado thanks for that site it was a real help and had alot of information in it that I needed. I printed it out and will keep it-so if I ever forget something then I'll read it again!!
I've talked to Scott and he told me that he's not going to add alot of refined starch to his diet like they tell him to because he believe's it's too much!! Instead every meal this is how he's going to eat-1-2 servings of fruit, 1 small salad, a serving of green vegetables, 1 serving of lean meat (the size of a deck of cards) & 1/2 of a piece of bread. He's going to eat around 3-4 meals a day. So most of his carbs is fruits & vegetables which is a good thing!! Well this is better then what I thought he was going to do!!
Thanks again everyone for your help and information!! Take care and have a great day!!
Melindaxl

[VeganVixen]

get whole grain bread ,french meddow bakery has GREAT sprouted wole grain hemp bread....they sell it at the super target and Whole foods near me ~NO WHITE BREAD!

HERE IS THE LINK http://frenchmeadow.com/hemp.html

[Melindaxl]

Thanks, but I'll just make him home made bread! My mom orders whole grain wheat and grides it up in the vitamix into flower and makes it! We have a bread maker too!!
Thanks for all your info and help!
Have a great day and take care!!
Melindaxl

[Helen Of Tennessee]

I thought I would share some testimonies of people who did get off their insulin with a raw diet:

Marylyn Szakacs - diabetes
http://www.livingnutrition.com/articles/diabetic.html

Wayne
http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=7&i=1257&t=1257

Lynda Carter
http://p079.ezboard.com/frawjourneyfrm55.showMessage?topicID=23.topic

Grains – root of problem
http://www.mercola.com/2003/aug/2/diabetic_warrior1.htm

Kaytka Speaks – Well Informed Daughter gives Mother new life
http://www.waldorfhomeschoolers.com/savemom.htm

Janie’s many links of Scientific Data on Diabetes
http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/17567.html
if this link doesn’t work – e-mail me and I’ll send Diabetes with Scientific Data

Mildmuse – Diabetes (scroll down to his post)
http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=55235&t=55115

Food Causing Diabetes
http://www.13.waisays.com/diabetes

Baby Blue Girl – RawFood.com bulletin board – Juvenile Diabetes
http://www.rawfood.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000009

Raw Family – Sergei – Juvenile Diabetes
http://www.rawfamily.com
Go to the product page and you can read the first chapter of some of the books where you'll read about Sergei's diabetes.

Diet and Diabetes:The Meat of the Matter
by John McDougall, M.D.
http://www.earthsave.org/newsletters/diabetes.htm

Aria’s testimony (7th post down)
http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=49846&t=49710

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[VeganVixen]

Even Better!

[Melindaxl]

Thanks, Helen so much for those testimonies! I'm sure they will really help! That's just what I needed!! Testimonies from people who are going through the same problems and cured it by changing to the raw diet!! He need's to see proff, so he won't be scared to give it a try and if he need's to, he could e-mail these people!!
Thanks again!! Have a great day and take care!!
Melindaxl

[Sweet lips]

I am a type 2 diabetic and currently, I am not in the best of moods - so if I sound unfriendly, I do aplogize for this too shall pass.

You may have your boyfriend contact me (today is not the best day, my mother is still recovering from my terse remarks to her this morning :mad: ) 30 days after going 100% raw, I was waking with blood sugar at 128 and below, following my medications, I was dropping to 80's which is the reverse, so I had my meds adjusted, then I adjusted to every other day, so my CA125 is reflecting a good blood result. The neurorapthy abated and my skin was very supple and clear.

I do eat natural fruit - natural fruit SUGARS as people so quickly say are the culprits - I disagree with that, diabetes is a disease of fat and from my standpoint and from my experince. Literally cooked fats and meat/fish. Both Dr. Joel Furhman and Dr. Neal Bernard and of course Ornish, would agree with that statement. His Doc is telling right based on the cooked food diet - things like only 8 grapes is a serving, he may have a cup of brown rice, etc. However, on raw, I discovered my healing ( I am talking about me!) - I lost weight, gained some insights that were not available before the change.

Todd pointed out to me that by adding a green to fruit juice it will not cause issues with diabetes and for my trying it - my sugar only raised 15 points and within an hour it was at 90 - which according to those who treat me is a good one. I used celery and grapes, jucied them for my experiment. I also have carrot juice at least once a day, and my body has adjusted very well.

Exercise will also decrease increased pancreatic activity - initially, it will raise it, but as the body become more adjusted, it will then cause an amazing balance. I have been on both sides of the 8 ball - and I listen a lot to Lynda Carter who has been successful in charge to eliminate her insulin dependecy.

Talk to him about his stress level as well because that too can increase the activity in the body that raises his inslin levels.

I happen to blessed to have a doctor who is a proponet of the raw food diet- although he always encouraged me to eat more raw foods, he waited until my thought process can forward to the actually diet and talked to me more.

Be patient with him, it is also an emotional dis-ease of the body and will cause moods that you may be unable to identify with - listen to your heart, be a picture - by setting the example and do not be a food sherriff, it just won't help, it will only hinder. Love is healing, if you love him, help heal him from afar.

[Melindaxl]

Thanks, sweet lips!! I would love to get him to talk to you! I'm sure you would be a great help for him!! For what you've learned, I'm sure you could explain it better to him! Plus hearing it from you and not just me would be alot of proof, since he'll know you have about the same problems as he does!! The only thing is, He probabley won't be able to talk to you until sometime Wednesday night because he's busey on day's he's got to work because of his long drive to work and back, etc!! So this Wednesday the 20th I'll have him post you a reply on this discussion. O.K.
Where do you want us to post it? Here or on a new discussion?
Thanks again!! Have a great day and take care and I hope you get feeling better!!
Melindaxl