View Full Version : very very confused,, somebody please help me
09-22-2004, 06:06 PM
well my problem is ive been a complete 100% raw foodist for the past year,,,with no cheating,,, but the thing is im alergic to all forms of nuts and seeds, and avacado,, so i have no source of protein, anyway i went to the docters awhile ago and he said that i am very deficient in protein and fats, which is going to cause me a problem later on in life and some of the signs are showing so he suggested that if i beleive in the raw food diet then fine i should stick with it but at least take a vitamin suplement,, 20 grams of isolated organic soy protein powder and an evening primrose oil capsule daily, so i was just wodering if this was going to ruin everything
I must also mention that my calorie intake is not low,,i eat many dates, bananas,,and sweet fruits,,, its my low fat and protien causing the problem
09-22-2004, 06:28 PM
I think I recall reading somewhere here about a hemp protein powder. I believe it was ConsciousCuisine...if so perhaps she'll chime in with more info on that.
But I have a question...have you attempted to eat nuts at all since having been raw for a year? I just thought that once you clean up your diet that natural foods wouldn't give allergic reactions...much like my daughter was allergic to oranges and when I cleaned up her diet, she was then able to eat oranges freely with no worries of reaction.
What did the doctor use to gauge your deficiency? What kinds of symptoms did you have that made you even question whether or not there was a deficiency?
I DO think it's kinda cool, though, that your doctor didn't totally downtalk your raw diet. That is a rare thing to hear of!
09-22-2004, 06:34 PM
hi rawkin locs,, yes i have tried to eat them ,, and yes i am still very very allergic to them ,, i was allergic to many other fruits like kiwi and mango that i am not allergic to anymore but the the nuts still cause lots of problems
and my symptoms of protein deficiency have been ,,, dry nail,, have missed my periods for the past almost 8 months and few other
i dont know i just hope theres nothing wrong
09-22-2004, 07:19 PM
Can you eat Coconut? Olives? Sprouted grains? Sunflower Seed Sprouts? Many people who are "allergic" to Nuts and Seeds can eat the green Sprouts with no difficulties. Alfalfa, Broccoli, Daikon Radish, or other Sprouts? Sprouted Legumes such as Peas and the like? Sprouts are HIGH in the best, most usable protein, lowering the actual daily requrement since you can digest and assimilate the protein better. Let me know if you need more guidance and I'll help you out.
Rawkinlocks, if she is "allergic" to seeds, Hemp Protein Powder is no good for her...What about Rice Bran Protein instead of Soy?
Blessings and Be Well! :)
09-23-2004, 09:24 AM
You're fabulous, CC, I appreciate the information - I am always learning (I'm such a baby at this) and it's good to know about the sprouts.
Protein powders is one way to suppliment. Personally, I would stay away from soy proteins - but I sit in the anti-soy camp. CC may have a point with the Hemp protein as it may cause the same allergic reaction - it might be worth researching. I'm not sure what is in nuts that cause an allergy and would that be the same for Hemp?. But there are rice proteins, whey proteins, goat proteins...there's a lot on the market these days.
When I was trying to boost my protein up to 10%, I found that bananas and raisins add a lot of protein.
Like Rawkinlocs - I'm wondering what proof your doctor is offering?. Did you do any tests (anemia, thyroid etc...)? If yes, what were the results?.
09-23-2004, 10:16 AM
Hmm that is a tough one. It's good to know all that about sprouts though. Hopefully if you're not allergic that will help out a lot. When I first started eating raw I went to this website (fitday.com) that has a free "calorie counter". The main benefit of this is because it allows you to keep track of everything you eat including how many calories you take in and what vitamins/minerals etc. Then there is an option to view a report and it tells you exactly what you are deficient in and what you are getting too much of etc. I found that my protein intake was way above the RDA which I was pretty surprised at because most people always wonder where you can get protein from on a raw food diet. It is interesting to go to this site and see how much protein zucchini or other fruit and vegetables have. Most fruit and veggies have protein in varying amounts. Coconut is an excellent source of fat like CC said so I would definately try that if you're not allergic. Good luck with this and please do keep us updated!
09-23-2004, 10:42 AM
I have to agree with LIL about the SOY. STAY AWAY as its not fit for human consumption. Go to Dr Mercola site and read for yourself. http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/
As far as protein goes...it comes from amino acids which your body manufactures...all but about 8 if I remember right. Amino acids come from guess where? YES...fruits and veggies. BUT...what if youre not assimilating them because your gut isn't working properly? When the gut is broken and cases IBS Chromes or Colitis its usually due and systemic to being inoculated when you were a child. Ann Wigmore was right on when she was teaching about making fermented foods such as sauerkraut. This also helps with the B12 issue that seems to be a challenge in the raw food diet. Bottom line is we can get ALL the protein (amino acids) and B12 from a 100% living food diet but our body has to be able to break it down. Transitioning from SAD to RAW should take about a year if youre not acutely sick. During that time you may want to consider making and eating some fermented foods to help digest and turn your gut back on. Here is an article mainly on the B12 issue but it does explain the broken gut and/or intrinsic factor that I have been mentioning!
BTW...remember that even 100% living food is not enough to be into total wellness. Yes you will see and feel some changes when transitioning from SAD. However, its the way we are SUPPOSED to eat so there is not a lot of magic there
other than getting from SAD to RAW! The two aspects to total wellness are building and cleansing
noting more and noting less. Building is done with living foods and cleansing is done with fasting. If you don't have the time or place and cant afford a fasting center you may opt for a green juice diet (some call it juice fasting) and that will bring you to the next level. 100% living food is not cleansing enough to keep you clean. it will NEVER bring you to total wellness or total health. Its our baseline and how we were designed to eat. People forget this and think its some magic mode we have discovered when indeed its perfectly normal. We were just inundated buy the cooked food propaganda and thought that was normal. The quicker you learn this the faster you will come to total wellness.
Think of building a new house and never cleaning it. That would be comparable to being born and eating all 100% living food from birth. But every time you take a breath you are polluting your body just as dust and dirt will enter the house you just built. Being born and eating the SAD diet is much like never wiping your feet from the mud puddle and other dirty areas. The house gets dirtier much faster and to a higher degree. (illness) Switching to all living food will take a lot of the mud out but you still have the normal dirt you drug in even if you were 100% Raw. So, you have to fast to get clean. Its mentioned over 74 times Biblically and God wouldnt give Moses the 10 commandments until he faster for 40 days. God wanted him clean both physically and spiritually. Jesus did it for three reasons and the last of those were as an example just as he did many things thorough the Bible. Then theres Buddha, Plato, Gandhi, Hippocrates and so on.
I realize this is deep for a newbie but I wish someone had explained this t me 3 years ago when I started...thus the reason I am taking the time to type all this at my meager 20 wpm..haha. Do yourself a favor and spend $10.00 on Paul Braggs book The Miracle of Fasting and learn about the importance of what I refer to as the basic 7. Fresh air, clean purified water, (distilled), proper rest, exercise, sunshine (EXTERMELY IMPORTANT and most miss it) living food, and fasting.
God made us as human beings but we often like to move toward that human doing. We then start forcing the body such as doing liver flushes and parasite cleanse and colonics. We have to learn that the body will heal itself if we get out of the way and quit forcing it to do what WE want it to do. This can be a challenging lesson to learn and you will get advice from hundreds of people to take this and do that. Sometimes it will even work for a while but the take this and do that should be eating food
simple as that. What did the hunter and gatherer do a few hundred years ago when he didnt have access to all the things we do? He simple walked along the road gathering wood to keep his family warm while eating berries from a bush or stopping to grab an avocado from a tree. Notice he didnt belly up to the table and eat a heaping plate of food. Eat all you want during your transition but think about the gatherer and how we are designed to eat. I realize we do live in the 21rst century and will never be able to live that simple. BUT...use it as a guide anytime you think about wellness and STOP FORCING the body to react a certain way. Give it the tools it needs to build with (living foods) and let it heal on its own and clean the cells with fasting and all will be well. Did you know that in Russia they use fasting for severe mental disorders like Schizophrenia, bi polar and depression? Their success rate is over 95%. So, think about the power that we really posses of getting out of the way and let the body heal itself.
Note: there are times to use enemas or colonic and even a partite cleanse
but they are far and few between. Okay, Im getting off my soap box now
Ps, I have cured (well my body did the curing) two incurable diseases that the doctor ONLY had drug to offer. My lifestyle was VERY fast paced and eating at fast food drive in. Living foods, fasting, addressing the heavy metals (another entire subject) are the foundation to total wellness. I dont claim to know everything, but what I do print I can tell you I have several hundred hours of research involved and always use myself as a walking living laboratory
hope all this helps!
Article will be on next post
09-23-2004, 10:44 AM
Vitamin B12 / Cyanocobalamin (Page 1)
Excerpt from and my appreciation to:
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
A group of organic substances that are required in the diet of humans and animals for normal growth, maintenance of life, and normal reproduction...
If viewed at above web-page linked above, scroll down to section #16 to see Vitamin B12
The molecular structure of vitamin B12 vitamin. B12 (cobalamin), the most complex of all known vitamins, was announced in 1955 by several scientists, including British biochemists A. R. Todd and Dorothy Hodgkin. In 1973 the vitamin was reported to have been synthesized by organic chemists. Vitamin B12 and closely related cobalamins are necessary for folic acid to fulfill its role; both are involved in the synthesis of proteins. American physicians G. R. Minot and W. P. Murphy in 1926 fed large amounts of liver to patients with pernicious anemia and cured them; the curative substance in this case was probably vitamin B12. However, pernicious anemia in humans is caused not by a vitamin B12 deficiency in the diet but rather the absence of a substance called the intrinsic factor, ordinarily secreted by the stomach and responsible for facilitating the absorption of B12 from the intestine. When a person's body cannot produce the intrinsic factor, the standard treatment today is to inject vitamin B12 directly into the bloodstream. Minot and Murphys therapy worked because the liver they fed their patients contained such large quantities of B12 that sufficient amounts of the vitamin were absorbed without the assistance of the intrinsic factor. Inadequate absorption of B12 causes pernicious anemia, nervous system degeneration, and amenorrhea. The only site of cobalamin synthesis in nature appears to be in microorganisms*; neither animals nor higher plants are capable of making these vitamin B12 derivatives. Nevertheless, such animal tissues as the liver, kidney, and heart of ruminants contain relatively large quantities of vitamin B12; the vitamin stored in these organs was originally produced by the (Cyano-) bacteria in the ruminant gut. Bivalves (clams or oysters), which siphon microorganisms* from the sea, are also good sources. Plants, on the other hand, are poor sources of (concentrated)** vitamin B12. The recommended daily dietary allowance for adults is 3 (? see all below) micrograms.
Inoculations destroy the Stomach and GI Track and cause Intrinsic factor.
My notes and added information for above:
* Cyanocobalamin - Vitamin B12 producing bacteria are in the Cyanobacterium (algae, moses) family. This class of microorganisms are bacteria that generally require and live in the sunlight and/or oxygenated environment of the plant surfaces, roots, upper soils and in the waters (near surface). They do not survive in the black dark anaerobic environment of interior animal tissues -- though their exo- and endo-compounds (metabolic excretions), including the vitamin B12 compound group, do and is accumulated and concentrated in the herbivorous (plant material consuming) animal (in fecal material, intestines, hence delivered into all body tissues, blood, muscles, entrails, esp. liver and kidneys) and is also expressed (to manage internal tissue levels) through and in body fluids (milk, mucus, urine) or ova (eggs). There is some presumptions of data that pro ports they (Cyanocobalamin bacteria) have some survival and production activity in the (dissolved oxygen and plant nutrient available) gut (primarily gullet and lower intestine) of herbivores / ruminants (e.g. cow, goat, horse, etc.) animals. But it is well understood that the critically important source of B12 in livestock (gen. ruminant) production is in your (unwashed, untreated) silage (corn, grains, beet pulp, ferments) along with alfalfa and hay, wheat grass, barley grass, where these plant loving cyano-bacteria flourish, then enter into the consuming animal!
(concentrated**) -- my insertion to the Columbia Encyclopedia's text, 2nd to last line above. God and nature has made no mistakes in providing sufficient Vitamin B12 to billions of herbivorous animals over millions of millennia - including the vegetarian primates (our biologically nearest creational equivalents) and man! -- if he (man) makes the right dietary choices and nourishes himself the way he was originally designed! -- that is: in and from the garden! -- the perfect home of pure, uncontaminated, light, oxygen and vegetation loving Cyanocobalamin in correct bounty, in low concentrations, but sufficient for our needs!-- Not extorted from defiled, destroyed, killed, disease hosting, disease transmitting and B12 hyper-concentrating animals -- especially carnivorous animals (as poultry, pork, fish, etc.) which accumulate and concentrate even more B12 in their tissue, fluids and ova at levels above and higher than the herbivorous animals and/or the insects which they consume. Hence carnivores (including man when he chooses to be such) do ultra-concentrate B12 in their tissues! Hence in carnivorous man, a falsely high mean standard of B12 levels is accumulated in phlebotomy data and is accepted as the human norm! -- Not good or honest science!!! And that false high standard precipitates wrong diagnosis! that is, lower test values of accumulated serum*** B12 levels -- which are naturally less in non-carnivorous humans and their dependent nursing infants! They then are endangered with the unnecessary administrations of (the sewage and/or animal harvested and formulated) B12 injections and/or tablets, with their plethora of contraindications (ill side affects) possible in many recipient patients or wrongly treated victims!
*** serum (blood stream) levels of B12 is not always a good indication of true internal, intra-/inter-cellular, metabolic, B12 functional levels. It is also (now) known that the cells are very conservative with B12; keeping appropriate stores of it within the cells themselves, recycling it within the intra-cellular (inside) chemistry and allowing only what is necessary in inter-cellular (between cells) chemistry to be exported, hence not requiring (as was previously presumed) high levels of B12 to be carried in blood flow to replenish it. -- tlr 7/3/03
Standard medicine has seriously erred in violation of honored Koch postulates and true scientific method, by producing unnatural high average blood level standards for B12, and assuming them as the correct human mean -- based upon hematological data accumulated and calculated in the cross-section of primarily heavily carnivorous USA/Industrial world humans! Not a true or honest measure for serum B12 levels for all of humanity, nor for creation's biologically intended, apparent and correct human nutrition, chemistry and physiology!
The original concern over Vitamin B12 deficiency (based on research started before three quarters of a century ago and completed over a half century ago) was a perceived relationship in poor health conditions called "pernicious anima" (and other closely related neurological and physiological malfunctions). It now has been established that the true cause of this group of maladies is a failure in the bodies own ability to produce its own correct "intrinsic factor", a compound associated with B12's intra/intercellular transport and use -- which is ill-formed in a hydrochloric acid and bile abused (a condition specifically triggered by the corrosive digestion required for complex, high molecular weight, dense animal proteins and fats within a) malnourished, malfunctioning, or chemically damaged (or rarely, a genetically flawed) intestinal tract -- rather than the old belief that the cause was (as presumed) a Vitamin B12 intake or (a test determined*) serum level deficiency!
-- This error in perception, diagnoses and treatment does persist, even to date among too many non-current or incompletely educated health practitioners, their older peers, administrations and dependent government health and welfare agencies! -- tlr 7/2/03
*Remember, these test protocols and standards were determined over a half century year ago, and also were based on generally highly carnivorous, western human models.
Personal references: Veterinary & Human Biology & Pathology education and reference books / personal Human, Animal, Livestock and Marine (algae) research and experience -- and required knowledge for good livestock production and profit -- in my past.
I will try to improve upon and expand this page later as my resources/time allow. In the meantime, you may see a reference to intestinal (microvilli) repair at LDSVeg.org/Raw.htm#microvilli, and other intestine and whole body healing and nutritional information on LifeSave.org, VeganCowboy.org, WaterAndLife.org and our other subject specific sites (listed on Lifesave.org and VeganCowboy.org)
09-23-2004, 11:14 AM
Until recently I thought I was getting enough protein. I have increased my greens. This has helped a lot. I can't possibly chew all the greens I need so I make soups in the blender.
There is a website I went to yesterday. I tried the recommendations there and felt a difference last night. See what you think. http://bodybubble.com/eco-eating/
09-23-2004, 11:15 AM
Hi Rawbellydancer xx
I can't eat nuts or seeds either (digestion) but I can eat avos. You could maybe get more fat from a raw omega oil blend? Or cold pressed oils if you need to?
I haven't read all the replies to you - rawfasting THANK YOU I will read your info asap.
I have just tried to up my protein by eating sprouted alfalfa and mung beans, I don't know if its helping yet, i've only done i for about month. I too have no periods and would like to have them back!
Feeling for you, there are many options, don't despair xx
ps - Jeanne just saw your post too - i'll check that out too - I too have upped my green and take a green raw powder too for the moment.
09-23-2004, 11:24 AM
Maybe this should be a new post but I am just curious about the disappearing period thing! I just had mine a few days ago but it only lasted for two days. In the past it has been really painful for me with a lot of cramps but last time it was amazing because I had just about no cramps and could barely notice I was on my period at all. Do you think it is a good or bad thing to not have your period anymore?
09-23-2004, 12:17 PM
I'm going to post a link in the thread dealing with Moon Cycles as to not keep this topic too off topic :)
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