about sunburn protection

[blueberrygirl]

I read that antioxidant- rich foods:

1. Prunes
2. Raisins
3. Blueberries
4. Blackberries
5. Strawberries
6. Raspberries
7. Plums
8. Oranges
9. Red grapes
10. Cherries


Vegetables
1. Kale
2. Spinach
3. Brussels sprouts
4. Alfalfa sprouts
5. Broccoli flowers
6. Beets
7. Red bell peppers
8. Onions
9. Corn
10. Eggplant

are good for skin protection againist sunburn? am I correct?

i use cocnut oil for "sunscreen" and use aloe vera after sunning on unburn and burn area where it was been sunning.

i only go out for tanning at afternoon like at 3 or 4pm until 6 i guess not at noon and morning ( i am not morning person:o )

i dont burn easliy in some areas, but in other areas burn easliy.

What is your opinions?

Thanks:D
Blueberrygirl

[Davylp25]

Hey...

I appreciate the post, I have been researching this as well. And testing certain things with myself.

From what I have researched I have read Cacao butter internally or extrenally ( cacao in general as well) is one of the best whole foods for protection. High anti-o's in it. So I ordered some and I will let people know how it goes. I have used Cacao off and on. But after reading Naked chocolate I want to try some things out.

The other foods, mentioned, I have consumed, and still gone out in the sun and got slight burns. So from my lil research I will be doing, is each color of the rainbow, differnt color anti'os protect for different things, but if you combine different colors all in one drink, you will get more internal protection and those radicals will def be reduced...

I have purchased PURPLE corn powder recently, Higher than Blueberries in the Anti's recently as well. You can use that as paint as well, or face mask... Really cool stuff. But I will start soon with a super smoothie, with all different colors of things at least one color from the rainbow, and see how I'm affected in the sun. I thought the green smoothie with fruit, Would be the cure all end all, ( 1 gallon a day) but it hasnt been for me. It has helped, me... But I was suprised I got red in the sun, Im not a red head or cant tan.... So we shall see.

[SmilingRawDancer]

I think (for me) I'll just have to stay out of the sun.
Regardless of the copious amounts of A-O's I consume, I still burn VERY easily.
I'm pale-white, caucasian, blond, green eyed. I've never had a real tan, only tan in a can, which I don't use anymore because of chemical content.
(I'm cleaning my whole environment up, step-by-step!)

For example:
I went surfing on saturday morning from 8:00-11:00 (not even peak sun hours), and I got a burn on every part of my body not covered by my wetsuit.

yeah. And it was cloudy.

[firefaery]

Actually from everything I have seen and read it has to do with two things: oils and vitamins A & D. Udo Erasmus discusses this in his book "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill."

Anyhow-experiencewise... I am VERY fair, light hair-light blue eyes, and my kids are too. Dd has WHITE hair and blue eyes-pale as anything. She's never worn sunscreen (none of my kids have) and has never burned. We keep well oiled (internally) and have diets rich in vitamin A and D. I first came across this info when ds was really little and drinking a TON of fresh squeezed carrot juice. His skin was actually orange-ish from all the carotenoids. My homeopath told me not to worry about sunscreen. With that much vitamin A in his system he couldn't possible burn. He's 4.5 now, spends time in the ocean, lakes, out on fields, camping etc. He's in the sun for hours at a time. He has never had a sunburn.

The only one of my kids who has had a burn is ds2 (now 11 months) after he got one I started giving him oils directly. No more burning.

[sport]

I have not done any research on this but I have spent some time in Costa Rica and Florida since going raw and have not found the need for any protection.
I recall one evening in Costa Rica whan my friend was sun reddened and I had just the slightest touch of brown. We had been togeather all day and had an equel amount of sun.
I am a blue eyed pale skinned Celt.

[SuziS]

Very interesting. I would love to learn more about this. I am dark haired and I tan pretty easily, but my younger ds is very light skinned, blue eyed. I haven't been using much sun screen this summer on the kids. Just trying to keep them out of the mid day sun.

[sport]

I am very afraid to advise people about this as you do hear that it is the toxins on the skin that cause the cancer and that if you are raw the toxins are not there.
What does a person advise someone who is not raw. The best advise is to do the mexican thing and stay out of the sun for the few hours of the day when it is strongest but you can not say that to kids.

[RawVee]

I've read many interesting things about raw foodists who no longer even need sunscreen. I think Shazzie mentions in her book how your body takes on a natural, tan kind of color and your skin regains its natural ability to screen harmful stuff. I read a profile somewhere too where the guy went raw after seeing his brother, who had gone raw and was previously really pale, was all healthy and had a "natural suntan."

One thing I've noticed for sure is that bugs are bugging me less. I was over a friends' house on Sunday and they were being swarmed by gnats and skeeters. I didn't have one on me. :)

[firefaery]

I have only been raw for about a year and a half (and not always 100%) I experienced full protection for myself and my family long before going raw. I have had several friends try it out and one of my girlfriends has a dd who is very pale as well-she isn't raw AT ALL and she has not had a burn this summer at all-even after being in the sun for days on end at the beach.

Everyone should do what they are comfortable with, but this advice was given to me in a non-raw environment and has served me well, raw and cooked.

This was an important area for me as I believe that sunscreen is harmful. Being as sensitive to the sun as I was though I needed to have good answers. I used to blister up if I was out for more than an hour. Just yesterday I was in direct sunlight for about 2 hours (until I got too warm!) during peak time and I have no problems! My kids were in direct sunlight for longer than that, and they don't have the slightest bit of pink.

[firefaery]

the natural tan is probably a result of all the carotenoids! My son had a permatan at 6 months! Dr. Joel Fuhrman talks about this too. He advocates a mostly vegan diet and specifically says that if you are eating a healthy vegan diet (no refined anything, minimal grains) that your skin should be sort of orange-y. It is a natural sunscreen as well as a natural protection from the sun. I know it's mentioned in Eat to Live, but I think he also talks about it in Disease Proof your Child.

[Cinnamon]

I've found the past 3 or so years of high raw (or 100%) that for me I do not burn as easily and seem to tan a bit too. I am very fair skinned and skin cancer runs in my family including melanoma. So although I try to be a bit careful (staying out of the most direct sun of the day) I so enjoy the sun and am glad to be able to enjoy it a bit more now!

I will watch this thread, very interesting information everyone is providing.

[firefaery]

Toss Your Sunscreen

What excessive sun exposure does do is cause injury to the inner layer of the skin, the dermis, which, in turn, leads to wrinkling of the outer layer, the epidermis. If you're thinking that that happens with age (regardless of the sun), you're right. But sun exposure can speed up the process, causing the skin to age prematurely and to become loose and leathery. This is called solar elastosis (SE).

When researchers at the University of New Mexico investigated melanoma, they found a marked decrease in the disease in patients with solar elastosis. (This information is from one of the JNCI articles I told you about.) In other words, more sun exposure equals less incidence of melanoma. And for those patients who did have melanoma, the subsequent mortality from the disease was approximately one-half as high among those patients with signs of SE. Now, I'm no logician, but it seems to me that if SE is caused by sun exposure and if people with SE have half as much melanoma as people with normal skin, then it's logical to conclude that sunlight prevents melanoma.

In light of these remarkable findings, shouldn't people seriously reconsider the effectiveness and logic of using "protective" sunscreens? What are they protecting you from, a long and healthy life?

Besides the research I mentioned above, I've told you before that the sun is a major source of vitamin D. Not having enough vitamin D can result in osteoporosis, autoimmune diseases, and rheumatoid arthritis, among other things. So when you slather on high-SPF sunscreens, not only are you increasing your risk of melanoma, you're also increasing your risk of developing all of the conditions that can arise from a vitamin D deficiency because you're literally blocking vitamin D synthesis in the skin.

There is a fierce resistance to this obvious fact by the sunscreen manufacturers and the dermatologists who have a reputation (and, in some cases, a sinecure) to protect. Both groups stress sunburn as an important factor in melanoma formation since that's all they have left as a reason to sell you sunscreen lotions. This is a very leaky boat in which to carry their message because (1) millions of people get sunburned every year but very few contract melanoma, and (2) if a melanoma appears, it's still most likely to appear in areas not exposed to the sun.

In the London Telegraph article I mentioned earlier, Jean King, the director of education for the Cancer Research Campaign, severely criticized researchers for defending sunbathing. She said, "There's a very clear and agreed public health message on this issue which we should be careful not to undermine."

Ah yes, an "agreed public health message"--the new paradigm of science that has no scientific justification. Sounds just like fat making you fat. Or fluoride being good for your teeth. But the fluoride paradigm looks like it could be shifting sooner than later.

About the Author

William C. Douglass II, M.D. is editor of The Douglass Report. Reprinted with permission. Copyright 2006

[sport]

As I was passing the TV a couple of hours ago I noticed that FOX NEWS were going through their "what's coming up next" and it was "The dangers of sunscreen".
I hate FOX so I did not wait around long enough to see the article. They probably scoffed at the message in some way or managed to twist it in their usually "Fair and Balanced" way.

[Davylp25]

I agree High Raw will be the best... But I have been High Raw ( Im tired of the % game) for 2 years, and I still got red when I was in the sun at non peak hours. I get tons of Vit A, Oils, etc. I wonder if it matters if you consume high anti'os and oils, before going in the sun? Meaning I have a smoothie first thing in the morning, before I leave for the outside, and then Im protected, Or it doesnt matter, you had it last night etc, Your protected...

Hmm we shall see....!!

[dreamrawalwz]

This will be my fourth summer 100% raw with little to no fats. Every summer before I started raw I burned like a lobster. Now, I don't even get pink! I'm very pale too. We'll see what happens this summer!

[SmilingRawDancer]

I hope your experiance is typical Dreamrawalwz!

[Zuri]

Jajoba oil has an spf of about 15. You may wanna do some research though. An herbalist told me this some time ago.

[dustandbreath]

Toss Your Sunscreen

What excessive sun exposure does do is cause injury to the inner layer of the skin, the dermis, which, in turn, leads to wrinkling of the outer layer, the epidermis. If you're thinking that that happens with age (regardless of the sun), you're right. But sun exposure can speed up the process, causing the skin to age prematurely and to become loose and leathery. This is called solar elastosis (SE).



Excuse me, but i am a bit dense: so, we want no melanoma, so to do that we let our skin age prematurely and become loose and leathery? I know I am missing something here.

As for sport, just watch the show! Maybe it was something we could learn. I don't find it very helpful to label channels, etc. I watch CNN and FOX and NPR and Rush and Air America . . . but I prefer jazz. ;)

[sport]

Excuse me, but i am a bit dense: so, we want no melanoma, so to do that we let our skin age prematurely and become loose and leathery? I know I am missing something here.

As for sport, just watch the show! Maybe it was something we could learn. I don't find it very helpful to label channels, etc. I watch CNN and FOX and NPR and Rush and Air America . . . but I prefer jazz. ;)

unfortunatly you are correct on all counts.
I got the same message from that report. We either risk cancer or put up with aging a bit more. The thing in my head is that cancer is not the only thing that we are risking by reducing our exposure. We are also risking brittle bones and probably many more things.
There has to be a middle line. There has to be a point where we can say "I got enough sun to give me all the vit D that I need" but stop before the point that we suffer too much aging.
Any clever sod out there that can come up with a sticker that we can attach to our clothes that will change color when we have had enough sun to meet our needs.
I am a little sorry to have missed the segment on FOX but it was not coming up immediatly so I changed channels and at my age you just forget to change back.
I am not sorry for my comments on Fox News in general because that is how I feel about them.

[LightLover]

Jajoba oil has an spf of about 15. You may wanna do some research though. An herbalist told me this some time ago.

Arew you sure? I thought jojoba oil is spf 4, just like shea butter etc..
Can you document this?

LL

[dreamrawalwz]

I remember there was a thread kind of recently about how sunscreen helps cause cancer due to technical things. Basically your skin will become dependent on the sunscreen or you'll burn more if you don't use it more and more. Something like that.

Oh, and if you're raw, will you reall wrinkle and get "leathery" skin as you age due to the sun? If your raw could your skin absorb the rays and work with it better? Sorry if that was confusing.

[Zuri]

Arew you sure? I thought jojoba oil is spf 4, just like shea butter etc..
Can you document this?

LL

No, I can't, which is why I said do research and said where I got the info. from.

[LightLover]

No, I can't, which is why I said do research and said where I got the info. from.

ok, i did google jojoba + spf

LL

[moonstar]

Ok -- I should talk, because I recently burned my face by accident, and not even via the bloody sun!

About 20 years ago, I used to babysit this kid who lived next to this awesome, hip, "seasoned" (not older) woman. She was in her late 60's / early 70's and she looked like she was in her 40's. I always admired her, and this is what I learned from her:

Stay out of the sun!!!
If in the sun, always where large sunglasses and a wide-brimmed hat.
Sunblock is a must! Always.
Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize.
Lots of water
Good diet (like what we are all doing here)
Hair styled / colored by a professional to make it look as natural as possible.
Tasteful makeup --- not too much, but to compliment your features.
Good, positive, happy attitude.
Laughing much
Styaing involved and engaged
Pretty dresses, polka-dotted high heels, and a used BMW that fit her style to a T.

[lissomllama]

chemical sunscreens are very dangerous. I don't use them anymore. I use red raspberry seed oil which is supposed to have an SPF of 30 or so. I use it and I love it. I have very pale skin, auburn-cinnamon hair and green eyes and I haven't burned since being raw. But then, before that I was always slathered in sun block, well covered and away from the sun so I never let myself burn then either. I get probably 15 minutes of direct sunlight a day, I wear the oil on my face and neck and sometimes hands and I wear fabrics that will keep me cool but also cover from too much sun. Sunlight is needed for the body, yes but too much is dangerous. This planet/ozone layer needs some serious repairing before we can be in the sun safely for very long/or without protection.

For the record. SE or leathery skin does not sound healthy or appealing. Even if these people have a reduced incidence of melanoma doesn't mean they can't be ill in other ways. Skin should be plump, moist and protective. Leathery wrinkled skin just doesn't seem healthy to me.

[LightLover]

lissomllama, where do you buy red raspberry seed oil ?
Is it organic and very expensive? Does a "bottle" last a long time?
Interesting subject. Dr Hauschka has sunburnstuf with this oil, but I think the
% is very very low.

thanks, LL

[LightLover]

Further I would like to know if anyone did test red raspberry seed oil
in a "heavy" sun, and than compared to a "natural" product with titanium dioxide and Spf 30?
Did you get results with raspberry seed oil as good as with the titanium dioxide?
Any details, comments, differences..?
This because there are not many studies about the high spf-factor of raspberry.
So, as with all RAW-products, we need life-experiences :) !!!

[blueberrygirl]

wow lots of info...

well... I have dark brown hair and blue eyes. I do have fair skin, but i can tanned that depend how long being outside.

I have asking around my family... my aunts and my cousins, they are very tanned and never go to tanning salon. they said if you were sunburned then give your skin a rest, if it was normal again. then go outside again and again while stay outside longer and longer without get burn again. but if again sunburned, so give skin a rest again with aloe and use shade of trees or inside. they do go outside again and agian then finally very tanned and look very good.

i guess balancing the shade and sunning is best. when i was kid, i always playing outside, however if i felt too hot for me then i go to shade of trees and play there until i am ready go out in unshade place.
My parents told me that i always run off to outside before i get sunscreen on me. :D

I guess that is why i am very tanned as kid but as i get older i start staying inside too much so i get out of shape and white again:mad: now i have to start all over again!

sorry that is long.. i feel like telling story...:rolleyes:

[Davylp25]

I don't know why, But I feel like there's something missing in this post? I don't know why, I just feel like there's some info were missing.

Has anyone read, that book about the Sun, ugh mug the name xscapes me, Anyone know what I'm talking about? It talks about The truth about the sun, etc. I need to read that.

From My experience... Everyone's skin type is different. I'm dark hair, blue eyes from Alaska, so my skin has normally been pale. G ya think? Except during the summer months as a child, When kids would play outside from sun up till sun down, which sundown doesnt happen in Alaska during the summer months, aha. Spf was never used. So I saw pics where I had a very nice brown tan as a kid.

Now I live in sunny LA, so Im sure I'm still adjusting.

I'm guessing that when one hasn't been in the sun, and goes, and gets red, it's the skin adjusting to the sun. Which it isn't used to. Even if you are raw for years. But as soon as the skin adjusts, then everything balances. For example, 3 days ago I was out in the sun, longer than I have been lately. The area behind my neck and below, became real red. Hmmm, I don't panic and think Oh No SPF save me! I just carried on eating what I normally do. The next day, The redness was about 80% reduced to a nice brownish tint. Then yesterday, I was out in the sun again, that same area, was in the sun longer, and this time, It wasn't as red, like it adjusted. It was darker than the rest of my body, so today, it has again faded to a nice brown. I also apply coco oil and aloe gel from the plant anyway at night as usual.

So I think there may be a period where u adjust, and yep you might get red. But once adjusted ya might be a mean green brown machine! But this isn't written in stone, it's just how my skin is doing after I have been consciously studying it.

I still haven't tried upping my anti-o's yet. So I will wait and see. Specially since Summer Solstice is coming and Ima be out side the whole day. So we shall see I will keep everyone and their mommas posted.

[lavendarJ]

that's pretty amazing dreamraw...to go from burning to nothing..wow:)

[LightLover]

davylp, the thread "sunscreen causes...cancer... is interesting for you , I tkink

LL

[Green Life]

I got sunburn today just driving 10 minutes to and from town. It was 90 degerees out and very hot. I wasn't wearing any sunscreen, thinking that maybe (and hoping) eating all this raw food has changed my skin. Nope. I still burn, and never tan. I am sorta frustrated that I can't even go driving in my car without covering up.. I really got a red burn on my face and neck.... that'll teach me. I have really really pale, fair skin, the kind that can never tan..... I should've known raw wouldn't change THAT>

[firefaery]

Hmmm, totally changed it for me.

[sport]

Another thing is, I have found that I can not longer hold a tan. I will tan but it will fade very quickly.
Has any one else had this expeirence.