A-mazing Toritillas!

[Davylp25]

You all have to try these... So good!

I ordered John's from Sacred Symbosis, Real Life Tortillas. I order all of the 4 different flavors to try and see which I liked best. I like them all, but the original, and cheesy dill tort's are amazing. It almost tasted like dried melted cheese. It was amazing. Totally worth it. Better than sad tortillas!

Gotta try them folks!

[raven]

I've had these and agree that they're very good.

[lavendarJ]

These are the first ones I ever bought.. and I have ordered them about 3 times so far this year.... they are excellent! Did you know that if you dehydrate the dill ones in the dehydrator, they will eventually get hard like a tortilla chip... I did this with the dill and the spicy ones

[lavendarJ]

Just wanted to add; they were so good that I had to call and inquire from John; and he states that they are dehydrated at 105 degrees just in case anyone wondered...

[sweetpea76]

i'm really interested in these,,, can someone post the website where i can order from?

thanks!

[andypdx]

i'm really interested in these,,, can someone post the website where i can order from?

thanks!

HERE (http://www.sacredsymbiosis.com/symbioshop/index.php?action=category&id=1), but DARN... honey and nutritional yeast!!! :mad:

[lavendarJ]

that's true andy.... forgot about the nutritional yeast; they are yummy

[RowanC]

I prefer to just make them for about 1/4 the cost. YIKES!

[Davylp25]

* Eats one as I type *

Loving it! I bet they are easy to make as well... specially if you are a purist and dont want the honey and yeast....

But sumtimes, U just wanna eat , here and NOW. Like that 80's song???? ha!

Thanks for the tip about the cheesy dill!

;) ;) ;) ;)

[xinmywayx]

Dude, I want to make these! Where can I get the recipe?

[Stina]

I prefer to just make them for about 1/4 the cost. YIKES!

Yeah, I just went out today and bought a tortilla press to make the sprouted wheat berry tortilla recipe someone shared on the forum. but I'm glad for others this product is available-even with the yeast and honey or whatever. Some of us round up!

[sport]

[QUOTE=andypdx;280713but DARN... honey and nutritional yeast!!! :mad:[/QUOTE]

Thank You.
Saved me the time it would have taken to plough through the website.

[Davylp25]

Xin- I believe if you go to the website it has a list of ingredients, but doesnt give the amounts used... So... * shrugs*

[Ginger]

Soy lecithin too..

[andypdx]

Soy lecithin too..

Yeah. I stopped as soon as I saw nutritional yeast and honey, but yeah, you are correct...SOY LECITHIN!

Why on Earth do they do this? I mean, why go through all the trouble of bringing a raw product to market, then put non raw stuff in it?

How is this any different from someone bringing a "vegan" product to market, and advertising it as "vegan", and then putting dairy in it?

Hmm... :confused:

Now I realize that everyone has their own "threashold" of RAW, but at least you would think the guy would make his product as accessible as possible in order to open himself to the WIDEST possible market of raw food consumers...RIGHT?

Anyway, I think I'm now determined to bring a raw food item to market, and this time it will be REALLY RAW! :)

[Davylp25]

:cool: Hmmmm

*Chewing, another Tortilla*;) :D ;)

[lavendarJ]

Go Andy Go!

[Rawkinlocs]

Maybe his market is moreso the raw fooders who have more of an "allowance" of what they will and will not consume. I mean, it's quite obvious in this thread alone that folks have bought and eaten them with no qualms so, that's who he's trying to reach... those who have a different threshold of raw.

There are some people who make things that are more REALLY RAW but perhaps their tortillas don't taste as good as his without those few ingredients. I'm sure he's tested many things and it's possible he could never get as good a result as when he incorporated those items.

I think when it comes to the use of nutritional yeast and raw honey (not so sure about the soy lecithin) there are MORE raw fooders out there who use or don't mind those items than there are who do not, in all truth and honesty.

So, Andy, this might be your calling dude...to start a company and offer GREAT-tasting (not that awful, disgusting, sawdust-tasting stuff I've purchased in the past) raw treats/items that are not using those non-raw items to cater to the more discerning raw fooders who don't want those types of things in their diets! :)

Also, the definition of veganism is a weeee bit more clear-cut than raw foodism seeing that many tout that one only has to consume 70% of their diet in raw foods to be considered a raw fooder...so perhaps some people feel the same about their food items - long as the majority of the ingredients are raw and they, themselves, are not cooking it, then to them (and many others who buy it) it is raw.

One other thing - it would be a great feat to make a TRULY raw prepared food because there are other things that are questionable such as vanilla extract; the herbs, spices and seasonings; the agave nectar; nama shoyu; cashews; and more. Sure, a company/person can SAY their agave or even their raw prepared food item is heated only to a certain temperature, but who is there to make sure they are not lying? What's to stop them from lying? Who can you REALLY trust? I mean, I can decide to sell raw prepared foods and I can say on my packaging or when someone calls that my food is dehydrated at a certain temp. when in fact, it's dehydrated at a higher temp. But I DO have integrity and my spiritual beliefs that keep me from lying so I would not do that...I'd be honest about it. But that may not be the case with others, so...

But consider the fact that if one was to make TRULY raw prepared items to sell to the public, it would then have to cost the consumer a great deal in order to cover the costs of more pure ingredients - vanilla beans, TRULY raw cashews, etc...are all pretty costly unless they could strike a good deal and get it wholesale. But there is also the fact to consider that most people who start up these types of businesses are just small-time folks who may not have a lot of money to invest so greatly like that. I don't know...now I'm rambling on...

[Ginger]

LOL Andy! So true! I do tend to eat things like cashews, agave, extracts, maple syrup.. things that are questionably raw or downright not raw. but it does bug me to see something labeled raw that is cleary not.

[Rawkinlocs]

LOL Andy! So true! I do tend to eat things like cashews, agave, extracts, maple syrup.. things that are questionably raw or downright not raw. but it does bug me to see something labeled raw that is cleary not.

So, RVM, do tell...are you clearly not raw be-cause you consume those things? ;)

I mean seriously...if we can be considered "raw" or raw fooders while consuming those questionable or downright not raw items - then isn't it fair to say that some people feel the same when it comes to their "raw" foods? Otherwise, the only TRUE raw fooders are those who don't even eat any prepared raw foods at all - only food in it's natural, unadulterated form. Some people feel the same about dehydrated food, or even blended/food-processor-processed food, period, that I am seeing some express how they feel about certain raw prepared foods that contain non-raw ingredients. So, where does one draw the line?

[Veganforlife]

I think one draws the line in one's own raw head. Seriously. I prefer to be 100% raw. Not shrugging off the oh well, nutritional yeast, honey, it tastes great and who cares if it's not 100% raw? That's the very trap that companies that create (so called food), as in SAD/CRAP foods. They fool the people into thinking it tastes good by using whatever products they need to for the almighty dollar.

Personally - I feel too good now to jeopardize that and possibly get a debilitating migraine. But that's me. I don't find fault with anyone else's choice, but I do find fault with companies (getting back to Andy's point) that blatantly state 100% raw, but use non-raw products. I won't support (knowingly support) companies that do that.

I do agree with Rawkinlocs Andy - this very well might be your calling. Take those great foods one step further minus the known non-raw products. Think about it dude!!!;)

[Rawkinlocs]

VFL, I understand and I could see there being an issue with THIS particular company had they stated that the tortillas were 100% raw or even raw for that matter. But from what I could see, nowhere did they state that on the webpage...he calls them "Superfood LIFE Tortillas"...not, "Raw Tortillas".

From his site:
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John’s Superfood Life Tortillas Original

SKU#: #2200
Our Price:
$10.99
Quantity:

Product Overview

All Natural-Low Carb- Made with Flax- Organic- Hypoallergenic-
Gluten, Dairy & Wheat Free-

Gourmet & Handcrafted

Power Packed with:
*Essential omega 3 fatty acids
*92 trace minerals
*Antioxidants
*A Great source of fiber


Product Details

Ingredients:
All Live Organic Raw Flax Seed, Irish Moss, Celtic Sea Salt, Garlic, Soy Lecithin, Vanilla, Raw Unfiltered Wildflower Honey, Coconut Butter, Brazil Nuts, Lemon, and Nutritional Yeast.

Use to make veggie wraps, as a pizza crust, spread some nut butter over it, or just enjoy by itself.

5 in each pack

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But again, everyone is different and has a different view on what is or is not acceptable when it comes to eating and being raw. So, for those who are a little more lenient, they have the option to eat those foods such as these tortillas - for those who are a little more strict, then they do what they do and avoid who they avoid! But we can nitpick this issue 'til the cows come home and will still never fully agree on it! C'est la vie! :D

[Veganforlife]

Understand...I didn't check the web site out - my bad...:p
Guess I was just posting that in a general content.

[Rawkinlocs]

Oh no worries VFL...basically it was to address the overall, general concern that was expressed regarding these tortillas...never did the guy give the impression his tortillas were raw but I think it was just assumed. But again, to some, they ARE raw even with those few ingredients! :)

[Davylp25]

Thank YOU Rawkin... I was just gonna post that. John doesn't say RAW food Torts at all. I thought 2 myself, oopsy maybe I posted Raw Tortilla's in my original topic heading... But I didn't either. So Amen to Rawkin for beating me to the punch!:cool:

Like the cliche saying on here, if it works for you, go for it. If not, don't. I have no bad reactions at all when I eat anything with Nut yeast,Miso,Nama etc, and I still consider myself a RAW FOODIST, Im actually tired of the term 100%, it's a label and I try to be free of it. I just eat foods that are alive, one way or the other. That's what works for me.... So Im working 9 to 5 on it like Dolly Jane and Lilly.

*chews Life Tortilla*

[Rawkinlocs]

^^^AMEN and if I drank, I'd DRINK to that!!! LOL! :D

[Davylp25]

Um hold it on up... We do drink...

* Holds up GREEN SMOOTHIE-- SALUTES*

:cool: :D ;) :cool:

[Veganforlife]

...well...
I'm drinking...
...a green smoothie that is... ;)

[Davylp25]

:rolleyes: HEY, this toast was between me and Rawkin, who the hell invited you?

:D :D :D JUSSS kidding....

* hmm maybe I'm still salty about my Lina, as in Spiru * hmmmm(smile)

[Stina]

Well, I wish I could get my hands on even a very mostly raw tortilla for my salads. I just tried to make some and they were a serious flop. Sprouted wheat berries are a lot of work to process and would take a lot of dedicated practice to get a handle on producing somthing. And what a mess.......I'll have to keep trying recipes.

[Davylp25]

Hey...

All I just got this resonse from John. Very nice guy..!!

'Hey David,

How are you? Thanks so much for your kind words and I’m so happy you enjoy the product. Questions and comments are always welcomed and much appreciate. I believe that this is a wonderful way to grow not only a business, but a community and self development. To answer your question I have thought of modifying the product and can do, but right now the client base is somewhat small and select, and I’m slowly working on expanding the company to not only allow more volume to get out to the masses, but to also make special orders. If I get a reasonable group of purist out there that are interested in a mdified order, I can probably do something like that.



Just a little note on why I use the nutritional yeast and Non GMO lecithin. The lecithin in this product is very minute- it comes from a brazil nut milk that I use to make the tortillas. It’s simply convenient as an emulsifier to make the milk last a bit longer, bind the oils better with water and make them more miscible with blood. In other words it’s a wonderful fat manipulative that allows for easier digestions of those good fats we all need. Also it’s great fortifying food that brings other amazing benefits like choline and inositol for better brain function. Hopefully one day someone will come up with a way to get lecithin from coconuts so that I don’t have to use any soy product in my cuisine (this is the only thing from soy I use & its non gmo which is important.



The nutritional yeast is only in the original and cheesy flavor- the other two don’t have it. Again I use it as a fortifying food because of its complete amino acid complex and ton of B vitamins. Unfortunately no a days our topsoil is so weakened that we don’t always get the full array of nutrients from our precious land and we have fill in the gaps here and there while we find a way to rebuild our earth. Another dream of mine is to see our agriculture move more toward ocean grown food and that I’ll solve many of these issues. Going back to the nutritional yeats it is the only one that doesn’t have active yeast because its grown through budding and fusion, and it’s the only I recommend. A lot of times it gets an awful rap because of the word yeast. It doesn’t affect candida or mold, fungus, yeast in the body. Besides all that it tastes great in some dishes and gives a great cheesy flavor. The key is not to over use anything and in my product there’s not a great deal of it in it anyway.



Well my friend I hope this was helpful and hopefully not too much of a lecture J I’ll be working very hard to always bring my customers and the public as best that I can. Check the website in the next couple of weeks. It’s finally going to be launched properly, I’ll offer many more goodies, and amazing food, and oh yeah it’s looking pretty beautiful; so I’m excited about that. Hope all is well with you and thanks again for the comment- means a lot. Blessings

[sport]

[QUOTE=andypdx;281220]

How is this any different from someone bringing a "vegan" product to market, and advertising it as "vegan", and then putting dairy in it?

QUOTE]

Reminds me of when I was vegan (not raw) and there was a vegan Pizza available (Amy's I think) which clearly stated in large letters SOY CHEESE so I said "that's for me" only to find Milk Protein listed as one of the ingredents.

[sport]

Andypdx
I keep screwing up when I am quoting you. I get everyone elses quotes ok. Are you embedding something in there that is designed to stop me removing a piece of your message.

[Kate H]

Anyway, I think I'm now determined to bring a raw food item to market, and this time it will be REALLY RAW! :)

When you do, make it a TORTILLA! That is the number one thing I want to add to my raw repetoire because I love a good wrap and wrapping my wrap in a lettuce leaf just doesn't cut it for long for me. I've been requesting a real raw tortilla for a coupla years and still haven't found one. Someone said there is a recipe posted on the forum...anyone have a link?

However, I would happily buy John's version as I am not a purist and will as soon as I am off my fast.

[Veganforlife]

[QUOTE=andypdx;281220]

How is this any different from someone bringing a "vegan" product to market, and advertising it as "vegan", and then putting dairy in it?

QUOTE]

Reminds me of when I was vegan (not raw) and there was a vegan Pizza available (Amy's I think) which clearly stated in large letters SOY CHEESE so I said "that's for me" only to find Milk Protein listed as one of the ingredents.

YES! I was always disappointed with Amy's pizza for that reason and stopped eating it when I was Vegan.

[StarFire]

Yeah, I just went out today and bought a tortilla press to make the sprouted wheat berry tortilla recipe someone shared on the forum.

:eek: tortilla press??? okay - I must really live in the dark ages :rolleyes: . I knew they had stuff like that in big factories but - one for the home? I've been making these by HAND.... and they never get thin enough for my liking... :rolleyes: So where can I order one of these tortilla presses?? :D

[rawererin]

for those of you who eat these, how long did they keep and where did you store them?