need recipe chocolate chip cookies

[ocean spray]

I know there was a recipe for chocolate chip cookies that use almond flour. Does anybody have that? Thanks!

[Veganforlife]

I don't see why you can't sub the cashew "flour" with almond "flour" here?

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10457&highlight=chocolate+chip+cookies

[ocean spray]

Thanks! Great idea!

[Petals]

there ae books that are for SALE cash money.... i mean we work for money we do not work for free. wHy should one excpect free recipes from books that have been published? It is called copyright infrigment, anf the raw food movement is full of it...



I like to buy them. Help give support to the people who i respect and have helped me. Not standing on an intenet corner beggining" will uncook for frre food" ~ go to a soup kitchen then... capitalism and all the usa is founded on that noble princple.


unles there are people who like give it out for free... why buy the cow when the mylkk is free, and an easy target to rip off..... that's thier choice. I don't agree.







BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. it's not farienheit 415 yet. I buy books ALL the time I LOVE books. Books are god. U can even get them at 1/2 price stores.



you get wot u pay 4. and research is pretty easy on the net. google is really neato. How many people here actually even own a copy of Alissa's book? which is an EXCELLRNT RAW FOOD BOOK. Minnie the moochers.
cheers

[Davylp25]

^^^^ Ummm Help.... Mommy....:confused:

[Petals]

lol! I would NEVER ask my mom for ANY advice on anything. Espsecailly raw power food. she is soo jealous i have lost weight am keeping it off. My own mother how very sad............ truly very sick and dysfuntional, It's like a hole. But i can fill it with other creative endeaversd, and so cn anybody else if they get over the mas hypno frog bs.


peace love and guns and roses.

[puffysmom]

It makes no dif who the person is or how related to u they r Petals. I dont know if your mom is overweight or not but most people that r do not compliment people who has managed to lose. My DIL is very heavy. She is shorter than I am and weighted more than me when i first started to eat better........it was before Raw but was doing mostly steamed veggies and organic meat. She has not once complimented me on my loss and I have lost since last Jan a total of 86#s. It should be more but i have gone on and off a good eating plan. On Raw i am not losing very fast but I now it is to many nuts so now i have to cut way back on them.
I made the cookies. I had a problem with making cashew flour. Took me forever to finally get enough to make the recipe. Next time will mix the cashews with oats groats or spelt. I made spelt flour for the cookies but separately. I read online u should mix the two so that the nuts grind up better.
The chocolate chips I left sit in a bowl to set and should have put on a flat sheet so i ended up with big chunks of chocolate but i like how it taste anyway. Does not taste like Toll house cookies but is still good. I used some Agave in the chocolate to make it less bitter.
Good luck and enjoy the cookies. Congrats on the weight loss. Keep it up.

[Petals]

to pyuffys mom, you kinda misundrstood wot i am saying. It is fruiting fantistic that yoiy have let go of all that weight, so have i more even to go,,, keep it up girl!



FREEDOM!!!! and vunerbility too...



I am saying books are copy right. Period. No doubt. It one wants to get the wodr out on thier talent then posting some free~ bies is great I havedomne that, too round here,,,, but maybe i would like to publish or so something ekse in the furture one day.... since i need to pay the rent.


since thier seems to be no policy here..... i mean none monitering where allot of recipes people post on this board Ie: are they orginal or ripped off from a copyrighted book that some one is trying to make an honest living with..... Would you like someone changing yer recipe around a tad and claming it as thier own, NO NO NO i do not think so AT ALL. NOPE.


I have seen ALLOT OF THAT AROUND BELIVE ME U.


Sharing with gf's at home is waaay diifferent then sharing on the anoymous internet with strangers who will steal in a heart beat... just as any other aspect of life. Any one can be anyone on the net.




SO..... it does matter imo. .



I wish you much continued weight loss it feels great does it not?.. so happy for you. feels so good...... but.... raw does not equal perfect people... i thought so at first to like yippie skippe, but not true....... they are just like everyone else some beter some worse.... It is not psychothreapy of or lobotomy for deep seated emotional problems which may have casues for ever eating disorder one has that casued ilness in one's life.....



raw it IS a HUGE unsung secret unrspected solution say la vee or wot ever......but it is spreading... like aids.



luve, petals







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[firefaery]

WTH? Like AIDS? Did I just read that right?

I thought this was a forum for people helping people do the raw thing. I agree about copywrite issues, but that was a wierd post.

[Veganforlife]

WTH? Like AIDS? Did I just read that right?

I thought this was a forum for people helping people do the raw thing. I agree about copywrite issues, but that was a wierd post.

I agree. Sounds like an angry post too. Me thinks Petals needs a nice, cool, green smoothie. ;) Just messin' with you girl. This subject has been discussed many, many times. We're not out to deprive the author of great raw recipes by any means. We are out to help others get on their path/journey with raw. Simple. That's it. No taking money from these folks, just helping others here. Sorry if it upsets you that recipes have been posted from folks' recipe books...

[rawzeit]

You cannot copyright recipes, only the literary expression of it -- which is the directions, if they are substantial. Just because something is in print doesn't mean it's copyrighted or copyrightable. Most of the time it does, but there are exceptions and recipes are one of those exceptions. (I am not a lawyer.)

[andypdx]

I agree. Sounds like an angry post too. Me thinks Petals needs a nice, cool, green smoothie. ;) Just messin' with you girl. This subject has been discussed many, many times. We're not out to deprive the author of great raw recipes by any means. We are out to help others get on their path/journey with raw. Simple. That's it. No taking money from these folks, just helping others here. Sorry if it upsets you that recipes have been posted from folks' recipe books...
In fact, many authors have decided to make the information in their books publicly available FREE OF CHARGE.

For example, if you find a book on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Raw-Food-Real-World-Recipes/dp/0060793554/), you will often find a link that says "Search inside this book". If authors did not want their information to be available on the internet, then they probably shouldn't be offering their information to be available on the internet.

[Davylp25]

Cries again for MOMMA!:(
I thought this was gon be about COOKIESS! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[eatyourbroccoli]

since thier seems to be no policy here..... i mean none monitering where allot of recipes people post on this board Ie: are they orginal or ripped off from a copyrighted book that some one is trying to make an honest living with..... Would you like someone changing yer recipe around a tad and claming it as thier own, NO NO NO i do not think so AT ALL. NOPE.


I have seen ALLOT OF THAT AROUND BELIVE ME U.

..the thing with copywritten recipes LEGALLY is that if you change ONE ingredient or ONE measurement of ingredient, its legally considered an entirely different recipe.

thats why recipes cannot be patented.

its also why most authors in the raw food movement choose to include a wealth of information BEYOND just the recipes in their books....

[Veganforlife]

Cries again for MOMMA!:(
I thought this was gon be about COOKIESS! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

EEKS! It was. It got hijacked. So sorry...
As yes cookies. YUM-OH!!!!

[andypdx]

From Findlaw...

http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/copyright/copyright-realworld/recipe-copyrighting.html


Copyrighting Recipes

Introduction

The question of copyrighting recipes has not been firmly decided by the courts. Certainly, publishers seek copyright protection for books on cooking, as they do on any other subject, and they have often gone after other publishers or individuals whom they feel have infringed on their rights in a published cookbook. How much copyright law protects recipes within such books is a matter of some dispute. That is because a recipe is distinct from the typical sorts of writing and expression the copyright law has historically protected. Whether a given author's recipes are protected by copyright will typically depend on the facts of each case. Facts that are of particular importance are the manner in which the author has presented the recipe and the other information included with it.

Recipes as Creative Works

Cooking is a skill and an art, which, practiced well, makes life more enjoyable. Although technique is important with some dishes, in many cases a recipe alone is sufficient to allow a skilled cook to prepare almost any dish. Because delicious foods are in demand, persons with good recipes may well consider publishing these in hopes of profiting from their talents. But cooks with a knack to take up pen or keyboard must beware. The protections available to recipes under copyright law are limited at best.

Copyright law protects original, creative expressions fixed in a tangible medium. These standards are not especially high. A run-of-the-mill story with stereotypical characters and a predictable ending will probably be creative and original enough, as long as it isn't copied or derived from an existing work. And the requirement that the expression be fixed in a tangible medium applies to electronic copies and even data stored in computer random access memory (RAM), which disappears once the computer is switched off. Courts are inclined to hold, however, that an individual recipe lacks sufficient creativity to qualify for copyright. Under this view, a recipe is really a process for creating some edible product, and not a creative expression of the sort copyright law is designed to protect.

The scope of copyright law is set forth in section 102 of the Copyright Act of 1976. Part (a) of this section lists 8 categories of works that are appropriate for copyright. These include literary works; musical works and their words; dramatic works and their music; pantomimes and choreographic works; pictorial, graphic and sculptural works; motion pictures and other audiovisual works; sound recordings; and architectural works. A typical book would be a literary work and may also contain copyrighted pictures. But a recipe is not a literary work according to the typical use of that term, nor does it fit within any of the other categories.

For recipes, courts instead have looked at part (b) of section 102. This section limits part (a), stating, "In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work." In a case several courts have followed, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals refused to stop a publisher from selling a cookbook containing recipes that were taken from another publisher's book. Although this court stopped short of saying that a recipe could never be copyrighted, it reasoned that a recipe was more like the exceptions to copyright in part 102(b) of the copyright act, than it was to the covered expressions in 102(a).

The Sixth Circuit noted that some courts have approved of copyright protection for recipes in certain circumstances. In a case before the U.S. Supreme Court, a publisher had simply taken another publisher's book containing recipes, copied it with only minimal changes, and sold it with a new cover as its own publication. That case, however, was from the 19th Century, and involved the unauthorized copying of far more than one or more recipes. Instead, the infringing publisher had copied everything the author wrote, including not only recipes, but suggestions for how to plan and prepare meals, how to serve them, and other tips involving dining and entertaining.

Another older case, from 1924, upheld the copyright protection of a manufacturer's product labels, which included recipes involving the manufacturer's "fruit nectars." The manufacturer had applied for patent protection for the labels, and they included a copyright notice. While part of the purpose of the labels was for advertising, the court also found expression protected by copyright. It called the recipes "original compositions" that served "to advance the culinary art." Although this case seems to support copyright protection for recipes, later courts have read it to apply to collections of recipes, rather than to each recipe within the collection.

To what extent compilations of recipes are protected is also unclear. A compilation of facts can have copyright protection, even though the individual facts themselves cannot. But in the case of a compilation, the ordering of the factual information is what is protected, rather than the facts themselves. Thus, while the author of a collection of recipes would likely be protected against someone else removing the cover, copying the recipes, and sticking a new cover on them, the recipes would not be protected from all use by others. A reviewing court would be interested in how much creative expression the author included in addition to, and in presenting, the recipes; it would then look at how much of this information the other author or publisher used, and how closely it resembled the original work.

The short answer is that a single recipe is unlikely to receive much, if any, copyright protection, and a collection of recipes will be protected in its creative aspects, but less protected as to the specific ingredients and steps required to prepare a given dish. An author or cook considering publishing his or her recipes should approach the subject carefully.

Conclusion

Recipes are unusual in the copyright context. Although they are written down by an author, and may reflect great creativity on the part of a cook, courts view recipes more as statements of a process than as literary works. The distinction is not necessarily a clear one. A cook might rightly ask, if the choreography of a dance can be copyrighted, why can't the steps for preparing a meal? Both have an outcome that may be considered art. Yet a court might hesitate to follow this reasoning for fear that its decision would be used to support the copyright of any set of instructions, which the copyright act rejects. Cooks who wish to record their recipes, therefore, face a bit of a quandary. While a good cookbook can produce a nice return for its author, other publishers and authors may make some use of its recipes. In order to secure the most protection for published recipes, an author should consider consultation with a lawyer experienced in copyright issues.

So...let's all make some chocolate chip cookies!!!

[Alissa]

Davylp25,

Can I just tell you that I had the best laughing fit I have had in a while reading this.

Let me give you the visual… I’m just in from spending the day with my parents (not used to this because they live far from me but are visiting) and between being extremely busy and then entertaining them for a week, lets just say….it’s been tough. As you may know I’m not always on the board but I do browse through it all the time when I’m trapped at my computer. Soooo, im sitting talking on the phone, trying to sort through my gobs of papers on my desk to set up my staff for tomorrow with the most important things and simultaneously clicking through raw food talk… and doing a few other things at the same time (I’m a Gemini , lol) … well, I click on recipes.. click on the cookie thread… could barely get through the above post and only read a piece and then read yours…. Then I saw your other one. I was laughing so hard I had tears coming down my cheeks, seriously.

Maybe because I have a weird sense of humor or because I was already thinking the same exact thing, I don’t know, but really, thank you. I needed that!

Best,
Alissa

[Davylp25]

Ha!

Thank's for sharing that. I'm very honored to have made ya life. Laughter is a good medicine. But in all honesty, That's seriously how I felt, lmao. So to make someone laugh because of it... Bonus!!!! :D :D :D :D

[Petals]

thats why recipes cannot be patented. wotever yer name is..... *


If a recipe is in a book and someone like Andy blantley diss's Sara and w/o persmission rapes/ republishes her recipie w/o her consent that is ILLEGAL. PERIOD...... and is not ethical.


If SARMA does not mind the reprint then that is an enterily diff issue ...... and ANdy ARE YOU A LAWYER WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DRGREE CRACKER JACK CITY LAW SCHOOL. IT'S NOT RIGHT. UNLESS YOU ASKED HER,... WHICHM BY THE WAY I LET HER KNOW ... SO IT MUST BE OK WIT HER BOY. And u know wot Limp Biquit sang about that cookie....anyways

coolness. I hate all this free love /food hippi dippi fs. DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE WOT IS HAPPPENING IN THE WORLD?????????????? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE RAW FOOD WILL SAVE THE WORLD?


WELLL MAYBE IF YOU FORCE DFEED IT TO EVERYONE.


WAKE UP. The snoring is annoying.


Raw is a small peice not the answer to your salvatioin, and another thing . It would seem to me that if a "person" had ANY sense of personal intigrity and natural moral THEY WOULD NOT change the amount of salt in some onne else's recipes and claim it as thier own. Or they would say " this was inspired by so and so' s recipe"



o and all one has to to is do a search... the BANANA at the top of the page for chocolate chip cookies and one will find a pleathora to chose and try out. :)
Genuis.

[dreamrawalwz]

wotever yer name is..... *


If a recipe is in a book and someone like Andy blantley diss's Sara and w/o persmission rapes/ republishes her recipie w/o her consent that is ILLEGAL. PERIOD...... and is not ethical.


If SARMA does not mind the reprint then that is an enterily diff issue ...... and ANdy ARE YOU A LAWYER WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DRGREE CRACKER JACK CITY LAW SCHOOL. IT'S NOT RIGHT. UNLESS YOU ASKED HER,... WHICHM BY THE WAY I LET HER KNOW ... SO IT MUST BE OK WIT HER BOY. And u know wot Limp Biquit sang about that cookie....anyways

coolness. I hate all this free love /food hippi dippi fs. DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE WOT IS HAPPPENING IN THE WORLD?????????????? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE RAW FOOD WILL SAVE THE WORLD?


WELLL MAYBE IF YOU FORCE DFEED IT TO EVERYONE.


WAKE UP. The snoring is annoying.


Raw is a small peice not the answer to your salvatioin, and another thing . It would seem to me that if a "person" had ANY sense of personal intigrity and natural moral THEY WOULD NOT change the amount of salt in some onne else's recipes and claim it as thier own. Or they would say " this was inspired by so and so' s recipe"



o and all one has to to is do a search... the BANANA at the top of the page for chocolate chip cookies and one will find a pleathora to chose and try out. :)
Genuis.

WOAH there buddy. Calm down please! :eek: That's all I have to say (in a polite nice tone!)

[Petals]

I am just fine and just havng some fun here. I am laughing my butt off actually. I love a good arguement. No actually my cat is typing all this fruitola. She is smarter than moast humans.... and I kinda have to keep her away from the computer.... cuz you never know if it is me or her.... she is kinda unhappy about being a kitty sometimes... lol.


The fact of wot I am saying is the truth. Period. The end No more need to ad any more last words cuz I will have the last one here on this thread here believe me u.

Talk is cheap, everyones likes the sound of thier own voices. Aint it fun to sociolize?? SO they like to talk all day long~ let's go out with our friends... pass along some rumours.... TALK IS CHEAP. You think yer someone really sharp when you use yer words like knives hey let's go ut wot wuz that? I don't know.... hold on another call.... ring ring on the telephone.... hey did you hear? did you konow? / well I never? say wot? no wot. clue me in on all the secrets.... TALK IS CHEAP. ~ WS


I treat people the way they treat me.

[andypdx]

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