The China Study [Archive]

Pennypower

05-20-2007, 12:53 AM

Oh my Squash! I just started reading "The China Study" and I'm in awe of this book. It totally backs up with very reputable scientific research that the healthiest possible diet is a plant based one.:D
We should all be reading this book, seriously.
Especially those of us who are still a little insecure, and have doubts.
And ESPECIALLY those of us who are still worried about our almighty protien intake.
READ THIS BOOK AND YOU WILL STRUGGLE A WHOLE LOT LESS ON YOUR RAW JOURNEY! YOU WILL NEVER SEE FOOD THE SAME WAY AGAIN!

Oh and then after you read it, or if you already have, post here and tell me what you thought. ;) ;) :)

Shoshannah

05-20-2007, 03:16 AM

China Study is what gave impetus to my raw lifestyle. I have not touched meat or dairy since the day I picked up the book, and my family has also converted from a SAD diet to almost 100% raw vegan.

I owe a lot to that book and can honestly say I believe it saved my life and the lives of my husband and children.

I just wish the mainstream population would accept it. Funny thing is that even when presented with such overwhelmingly accurate data, the majority of the people still would not part with their meat and dairy. I...just...don't...get...it!

Solace

05-20-2007, 03:19 AM

YES ! This is going to be one of my Summer reads- cant wait ! Glad your enjoying it :D

belleadonna

05-20-2007, 06:22 AM

This book is awesome. It is the best book I have ever read on nutrition and it is written by a biochemist and not a diet guru. I have read it four times now and will read it again.

Revvell

05-20-2007, 08:37 AM

This book has been mentioned and recommended numerous times here. IF more people would read and abide by it, the American Cancer Society would be out of business imo.

Revvell

SuziS

05-20-2007, 09:02 AM

This is the book I read right before deciding to give raw one more try. It is AMAZING and i couldn't put it down. I have been recommending it to everybody.

sport

05-20-2007, 02:06 PM

This book has been mentioned and recommended numerous times here. IF more people would read and abide by it, the American Cancer Society would be out of business imo.

Revvell

I posted here some time ago about giving this book to someone who had just had a mastectomy. When she returned it to me she stated that she had found it interesting but that she loved her fish and wanted to remain eating it.
That was about 3 years ago and she is now terminally ill with secondary cancers and has spent the past few months in the Hospice. I sometimes wonder if she had the 3 years back would she have taken more notice of me and gone without her fish.
When I hear of someone trying to raise money for cancer research I have to hold myself back or I would be giving them a lecture and saying "Just stop eating meat and dairy"

Revvell

05-20-2007, 02:36 PM

Yeah, you and me. People think I'm cold-heared when they tell me they're doing a walk or run to raise money for the ACS yet, as long as they've been around they've not done anything into the preventing the cause and possible natural cure for cancer. If they did, all the money they are making... and be sure, it's one helluva lot for their directors... would just disappear. What to do, yanno? Educate as best we can, then leave others to their othernesses.

Revvell

I posted here some time ago about giving this book to someone who had just had a mastectomy. When she returned it to me she stated that she had found it interesting but that she loved her fish and wanted to remain eating it.
That was about 3 years ago and she is now terminally ill with secondary cancers and has spent the past few months in the Hospice. I sometimes wonder if she had the 3 years back would she have taken more notice of me and gone without her fish.
When I hear of someone trying to raise money for cancer research I have to hold myself back or I would be giving them a lecture and saying "Just stop eating meat and dairy"

Mialsse

05-20-2007, 07:34 PM

I just bought this book today!!! I can't wait to dig into it later tonight.

Pennypower

05-20-2007, 08:00 PM

Wow, I'm so glad so many of you have read it and it has impacted your lives so. I'm only like 2 chapters in. I love how scientific and deep it is. I actually have to really focus when I read it. It's like excersise for my brain.:D :D

I think just reading this book is lifting my brain fog.

Solace

05-20-2007, 09:53 PM

YES ! This is going to be one of my Summer reads- cant wait ! Glad your enjoying it :D

I went out and bought it !:D

Coonlie

05-20-2007, 09:56 PM

Revvell, you are so right about the money aspect. Cancer is a multi-billion dollar industry in this country. If the ACS came up with a cure, it would put too many people out of business. They won't let that happen . . . the politics of medicine! That's why we need to take charge of our own health and educate ourselves. My husband and I just read The China Study a few weeks ago. Amazing book! We, too, have been recommending it to everyone we talk to. My husband is an 18-yr. cancer survivor and I believe it's due to the fact that he does all he can to improve his health and does very little that mainstream medicine recommends. When he was first diagnosed, in 1989, he was told by a nurse that worked in Oncology, "If you don't take charge of your own health, the doctors will turn you into a piece of meat!" That made quite an impression and started him on his journey of education and natural healing.

Craig

05-20-2007, 10:02 PM

I just checked out the book from my local library and I am on page 112 right now.

The book is a good read so far.

Cinnamon

05-20-2007, 10:27 PM

I bought it when it first came out and it is one of my most favorites to recommend to others. I've read it a number of times and it just reinforces why I do what I am doing! What an eye opener for others, if they are open to the information that is.

Eva

07-14-2007, 05:29 PM

I just started this book. It helped me to understand enough that I could have a really interesting conversation with my husband and stepkids about cancer itself. Only in the 50-somethingish page so far...

dreamrawalwz

07-14-2007, 06:36 PM

Ya know, I bought it years ago to read and never got to it. I showed the book to my aunt and she read it and was amazed. She's now vegan because of it. It changed her perspective completely she said because it had a lot of scientific information in it. My mom then read it and said my dad and I needed to read it (i'm vegan already though...). She tends to grab the things she wants to read. She said the books says SOME animal protein is ok as long as it comes from xyz source. So...she eats those things. No different than what she was eating before she read the book! I think she needs to read it again!

Dj 247

07-14-2007, 07:27 PM

I agree it is a great book. I like how the author explains things and the fact that it is backed up by so much research. I would like to buy a copy for a few of my friends and family, but they think I am a health nut and probably wouldn't even read it. Some people don't want to know the truth. :eek:

Ginger

07-14-2007, 08:44 PM

What an awesome book! Don't you wish it was required reading in school? :D

blueberrygirl

07-14-2007, 09:30 PM

I am into four chapter now, all now i said is wow!:eek:

it is amazing book, it gave much deep info. that is what i need!:)

people should eat vegan diet or very bit of animal porducts for good health.

however, i wish there are more studies of raw foods....

Solace

07-14-2007, 09:44 PM

that book forced me to tell someone's mother - someone who lives with type1 diabetes that it was from COWS milk = they didn't like that too well:eek:

Ginger

07-14-2007, 10:18 PM

that book forced me to tell someone's mother - someone who lives with type1 diabetes that it was from COWS milk = they didn't like that too well:eek:

Makes me wonder why, you know? If someone told me xyz that I was eating was a contributing to some problem I was having I would be curious and start doing some research. So many people are so quick to dismiss anything that dosn't fit with their programming. I don't get that mentality at all.

Solace

07-14-2007, 10:22 PM

Makes me wonder why, you know? If someone told me xyz that I was eating was a contributing to some problem I was having I would be curious and start doing some research. So many people are so quick to dismiss anything that dosn't fit with their programming. I don't get that mentality at all.
Funny the first thing she said to me was " what about breast milk" ? AND she 's a nurse,,, Breast milk ? Hello, I mean is that a REAL question.:rolleyes:

Ginger

07-14-2007, 10:26 PM

LOL. Well I guess some kids do react to breastmilk, because the food mom eats can affect the baby! :D

Solace

07-14-2007, 10:30 PM

LOL. Well I guess some kids do react to breastmilk, because the food mom eats can affect the baby! :D

Breast is best = well that what I said!

blueberrygirl

07-14-2007, 11:19 PM

what is xyz...?:confused:

I never heard of it.

is that something about kinds of meat or what???:confused:

Pennypower

07-15-2007, 12:47 AM

xyz...I think is just a figure of speech, meaning "something" or some particular thing......

konmai

07-15-2007, 01:00 AM

I can't wait to get the book! :D I've heard about it before, but the word "study" turns me off esp. since I have so much studying to do. :rolleyes:

belleadonna

07-15-2007, 07:14 AM

Its really an easy read and not so technical that no-one can understand it. You won't be sorry. It's awesome.

Anastasia Alston

07-15-2007, 06:03 PM

Awesome is an understatement for this book! I just got it from the library (I want my own copy now) & am a little more than half way through it. I understand a lot better now why I was not getting the results I was after on the so-called "clean" eating espoused by the gym & fitness rats I learned from, both in books/magazines & the trainers I respect & was interning with.

The "eat 5-6 small meals a day & make sure to have some kind of protein & some veggies at each meal" myth made me gain weight (I ate tons of veggies, but you bet there was some bit of cooked, dead animal in there), gave me heart palpatations, made my pulse race uncomfortably at night; I caught more colds, started to gain inches even on a 6 day a week exercise schedule (1 hour a day 5 - 6 days a week strength & cardio) & made me very tired & very strong-smelling!

I have been 100% raw for 2 weeks, my skin glows (I call it a "baby glow" since I've only been raw for 2 weeks), I barely use any deodorant at all, I have a ton of energy, no sinus trouble/post nasal drip, nearly clear skin (I have had acne since I hit puberty) & on & on I could ramble.

The thing is I now understand WHY. I had been vegan (cooked) previously & kind of noticed things that other people used on/in their bodies seemed much stronger than necessary for me, but paid no heed. My husband would go along for awhile & then we'd be back to animal products in our diet. Now I have scientific information to back up my decision & with that I have a better understanding of what's going on in my body & why I need to continue doing what I am doing. There won't be any going back now that I've read "The China Study" & experienced for myself the differences in raw vs. cooked lifestyle. If you haven't read it yet, do! The information is really eye-opening. ;)

- Stasi

Shoshannah

07-16-2007, 03:51 AM

Anastasia: What a powerful testimony to the raw lifestyle you are. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the value of the China Study. My husband and I (and our four daughters) converted to Vegan almost overnight.

I have often recommended the book to SAD eaters who are struggling with health issues but they are simply NOT interested. I...just....don't....get...it.

puzit19

07-16-2007, 04:32 AM

is it the one by: T. Colin Campbell (Author), Thomas M. Campbell

thanks :)

Shoshannah

07-16-2007, 04:42 AM

is it the one by: T. Colin Campbell (Author), Thomas M. Campbell

thanks :)

Yep, that's it... the one and only!

By the way, I noticed you are in Jerusalem... I am Jewish and I dream of the day when I can visit your wonderful land. Perhaps sometime soon.

Anastasia Alston

07-16-2007, 12:09 PM

I have often recommended the book to SAD eaters who are struggling with health issues but they are simply NOT interested. I...just....don't....get...it.

I hear ya! People act like they want information but when you give it to them they don't want it. The reality often turns out that they want validation for their current practices/beliefs - no matter how far off the mark they are - instead of real information that will help them with their dilemma. ::sigh::

- Stasi

Eva

07-16-2007, 12:31 PM

Stasi: You're so right! My aunt has cancer (it seems like my whole family is getting cancer except my mom on my mom's side, but they smoke and drink and eat poorly!). My mom and I were talking about this book, and I asked her what she thought of me sending it to my aunt. My mom (who is, by the way, extremely good natured and compassionate) said not to bother. She said that Debbie does what she wants, and would be too stubborn to even read it.

It's just the way it goes. Many will be stubborn to their death.

RawVegan4Health

07-16-2007, 02:53 PM

I give books to people. Even if they refuse to believe it, at least they had the opportunity. One thing is for sure, they are much more unlikely to seek out this information on their own.

dahlila

07-16-2007, 03:06 PM

I just picked it up from my library. I am very excited to read it over my vacation :)

Aasyah

07-16-2007, 11:53 PM

This is my first time hearing of "The China Study", and from the posts i have read, i have just placed a request with my local library for this book.
Will post my thoughts after reviewing and reading. :)

the_lab_rat

07-17-2007, 12:56 AM

I totally want to read this now, even though I've already been vegan for a year and mostly vegetarian most of my life.
Looked at the libraries and it's checked out of both libraries near me, with at least 2 holds on it! At first I was annoyed, but then I thought, good--that means more people are reading it and maybe it will help change people's minds! :)

Bechtel

07-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Is it any site to download this book in the electronic format?

Frecs

07-17-2007, 04:10 PM

Have any of you read this?:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

SchoolOfRAWk

07-17-2007, 04:12 PM

This book has been mentioned and recommended numerous times here. IF more people would read and abide by it, the American Cancer Society would be out of business imo.

Revvell

So true!!!!

SchoolOfRAWk

07-17-2007, 04:13 PM

I give books to people. Even if they refuse to believe it, at least they had the opportunity. One thing is for sure, they are much more unlikely to seek out this information on their own.

I do too!!! I always grab copies of Fit For Life I and II at goodwills.... and Slaughterhouse by Gail Eistnitz is a great "gift", too.

Eva

07-17-2007, 04:18 PM

Frecs: I just read the link, and it seems to have been written by someone who has a stake in people eating high-cholesterol and high-protein diets. :confused:

Blazin'Jane

07-17-2007, 06:30 PM

is the name of the book The China study? victoria Boutenko refers to it in at least one chapter of Green for Life. I'd like to read the whole thing. Thanks.

dahlila

07-17-2007, 10:39 PM

I'm loving it so far, on about pg.60...

I am wondering if further on Dr. Campbell discusses the benefits of raw at all or sticks to promoting a plant-based diet both cooked and raw?

Frecs

07-18-2007, 08:26 AM

Frecs: I just read the link, and it seems to have been written by someone who has a stake in people eating high-cholesterol and high-protein diets. :confused:

I didn't get that out of the link at all. What he is pointing out is the inconsistancies in the book as well as problems with some of the conclusions made by the author. I guess the question is, do you accept gurus blindly or are you open-minded enough to question and think about what they are saying and why they may be taking the position they are taking. Most people, scientists included, have a hard time keeping their personal biases out of their interpretation of study results. This link is suggesting that the author of The China Study was/is guilty of interpreting the study's results through his own Vegan/PETA lenses.

From what I got from this link, yes the study did present some limited indications that some animal proteins are correlated to cancer. Correlations do not prove cause/effect only correlations. The fact that one type of animal protein (casein) is correlated with cancer can not be extrapulated (as The China Study does) to mean that all animal protein has the same affect. This link also points out that as extensive as this study was, it is not so easy to conclude that the findings would be the same for other parts of the world.

Just offering some food for thought....

papajoe

07-18-2007, 03:05 PM

Eva

07-18-2007, 05:46 PM

Frecs: The link is on a web site where the sole purpose of the information is to encourage people to take in more animal products to raise their cholesterol intake.

Here is a lovely excerpt from the site:

"Which Foods are Highest In Cholesterol?

Below is a table that shows the top twenty cholesterol-rich whole foods from the USDA’s database, listed by milligrams of cholesterol per gram of food. Although dietary cholesterol is not an essential nutrient for most people, the foods richest in cholesterol have unique nutrient profiles that make them critical components of a nutrient-dense diet. In order to maintain superb health, increased energy and stamina, peak mental performance, and sexual vitality, picking some of the foods at the top of this list for daily consumption will prove to be your best weapon."

I added the bold.

If you read the book carefully, and the review carefully as well, then it is pretty clear that the reviewer is picking and choosing only the most convenient information. There are many, many places in The China Study where the author points out that correlation is not the same as cause and effect, and that the studies have found very high correlation only.

I would not recommend that anyone even look at the review on the link. The person whose web site it is is using information on the book to draw people to his site. It would be a benefit to him, which is a real shame to contribute in any small way to the profit of someone who uses false dietary information to make money.

By the way, it is the reviewer and the review that I am against here, not you Frecs! :)

Frecs

07-19-2007, 08:02 AM

Frecs: The link is on a web site where the sole purpose of the information is to encourage people to take in more animal products to raise their cholesterol intake.

If you read the book carefully, and the review carefully as well, then it is pretty clear that the reviewer is picking and choosing only the most convenient information. There are many, many places in The China Study where the author points out that correlation is not the same as cause and effect, and that the studies have found very high correlation only.

I would not recommend that anyone even look at the review on the link. The person whose web site it is is using information on the book to draw people to his site. It would be a benefit to him, which is a real shame to contribute in any small way to the profit of someone who uses false dietary information to make money.

By the way, it is the reviewer and the review that I am against here, not you Frecs! :)

I appreciate that last statement! I also appreciate the information about the link's author's motives. I had not had the time to fully examine the website for possible bias so I'm glad you did. It's also good to hear that The China Study does point out the issue of correlations vs cause/effect...that gives me more reason to trust his analysis.

It's confusing sometimes to navigate through all the propaganda (on both sides) and figure out what is actual truth. :confused: