View Full Version : Braggs' ADDICTIVE? or is it just ME? HELP!!
03-31-2005, 04:35 PM
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03-31-2005, 04:46 PM
It could very well be the "naturally occurring" MSG that I've read Bragg's contains. I, personally, have never had that reaction to Bragg's where it makes me want more and more and more of whatever I used it in.
It could just be that you were hungry! Up for 9 hours and that was the first thing you ate...you were hungry, the food was good...no prob. How many folks here eat the "cookie dough" of cookies before they even get them to the dehydrator or before they're finished dehydrating (raises hand).
But there have been a lot of mention here about Bragg's being a not-so-good thing to use. I still use it (sparingly) and probably will get rid of it eventually, but for now, I'm fine with it.
03-31-2005, 06:01 PM
I am hoping it was just that I was famished. and it was sooooooo good too.
so, will keep an eye on my consumption.
funny, I never thought I was addicted to the pesto stuffed mushrooms, and I ate them every day for almost 2 months.
Maybe I will just sit back and see.
Thanks for your insight, I appreciate you.
03-31-2005, 07:02 PM
Funny you should mention this, Christine. I've been adding Nama Shoyu to everything lately. Well, not my raw ice cream or green smoothies :eek: but just about everything else. I even dash it on top an avocado half and eat it with a spoon (the avo, not the sauce! well, it's on it as a condiment -- you know what I mean).
I've wondered, also, if it's the saltiness I'm craving or what. I tend to think that it's just a phase ... and that it'll pass.
Interesting that they're both soy products -- yeah, definitely not raw, but ... we won't think about that now, will we? But, the soy aspect of it. Hmmm.
I think sometimes we get into our heads too much and over analyze and over intellectualize. If you've done any 12 step work, you know how hazardous and self-defeating this is.
So ... I say Hurray! that you make such delectable foods that you lick your fingers (me, too -- my fingers, not yours, silly). And, 1 Tablespoon a day isn't much to worry about, in my humble opinion, unless you're mainlining it!
03-31-2005, 07:04 PM
I have the same problem with Bragg's, to the point that I was putting a few dashes in water and drinking it constantly like a warm broth, several times thru out the day.
I had never heard about the MSG, but that makes sense.
I narrowed it down to just a good ol fashion salt addiction (it really is very salty) because I really have no other salt intake.
03-31-2005, 08:08 PM
IF your body has been craving salt and you want to limit the salt -then dulse might help?
04-01-2005, 05:13 PM
I am hoping it's the salt, because I get no other salt, maybe that is why I have been so addicted to those darn greek olives, except I quit eating the green ones because they were sooooo salty.
I would use dulce, except I can't stand the seafoody taste, but that is a good idea.
Well, I will keep doin' what I'm doin' as long as anyone doesn't know of any long term braggs addict 12 step meeting I should go to.
04-02-2005, 12:00 AM
We could start one. Online! But, I think it should be broader than just Bragg's so I could attend with my Nama Shoyu (and olive, too) addiction. SEA -- Salt Eaters Anonymous, or RaSAA -- Raw Salt Addicts Anonymous. Okay, time for bed for me!
04-02-2005, 10:34 PM
I've been eating olives like crazy & just received my Nama Shoyu. Great stuff :) I just started Raw & I think my body is craving the sodium in all the processed junk that I used to eat. I'm not going to worry about it for now & drink a lot of water. Does anyone know how much sodium is in Nama Shoyu.?
Nevermind...Just looked at the bottle, 720 mg in 1 TBSP. But, if you are not eating all the processed junk, which can add up to 1000's mgs per day, I think it should be OK. :)
leaving to have some olives... :p yum
I don't know how much MSG Bragg's contains, whether it would have enough to cause an addictive reaction, but MSG IS addictive! It is added to food products precisely to make people eat more of them.
The following was emailed to me some time ago. I don't know its source.
MSG - Slowly
I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.
He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.
No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats" .
I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.
MSG was in everything! The Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.
But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy's, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis', Applebees and Denny's use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!
So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin?
Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, (www.spofamerica.com ), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.
Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at http://www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfact12.html explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?
'Betcha can't eat just one', takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!
And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added.
Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance: NICOTINE for FOOD!
Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.
The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount.
How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?
The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002
Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug
Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima
Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar
Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct
Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food "manufaturers" have known MSG's side effects for decades!
Many more studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes,
Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's.
But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?
Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: http://www.yahoo.com.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4
The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.
Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff!" But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.
The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.
So what do we do?
The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.
Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.
But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.
I for one am doing something about it.
I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won't tell you.
The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.
The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?
Blow the whistle on MSG.
If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at www.pubmed.com
http://www.pubmed.com . Type in the words "MSG Obese", and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.
We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.
With your help we can put an end to this, and stop the Slow Poisoning of America. Let's save our children
Hidden Sources Of MSG In Foods
From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'
By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD
What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food could cause brain damage in your children, and that this chemical could effect how your children's nervous systems formed during development so that in later years they may have learning or emotional difficulties?
What if there was scientific evidence that these chemicals could permanently damage a critical part of the brain known to control hormones so that later in life your child might have endocrine problems? How would you feel?
Suppose evidence was presented to you strongly suggesting that the artificial sweetener in your diet soft drink may cause brain tumors to develop, and that the number of brain tumors reported since the introduction of this widespread introduction of this artificial sweetener has risen dramatically? Would that affect your decision to drink these products and especially to allow your children to drink them? What if you could be shown overwhelming evidence that one of the main ingredients in this sweetener (aspartate) could cause the same brain lesions as MSG? Would that affect your buying decisions?
And finally, what if it could be demonstrated that all of these types of chemicals, called excitotoxins, could possibly aggravate or even precipitate many of today's epidemic neurodegenerative brain diseases such as Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, ALS, and Alzheimer's disease? Would you be concerned if you knew that these excitotoxin food additives are a particular risk if you have diabetes, or have ever had a stroke, brain injury, brain tumor, seizure, or have suffered from hypertension, meningitis, or viral encephalitis?
Would you also be upset to learn that many of the brain lesions caused by these products in your children are irreversible and can result from a SINGLE exposure of these products in sufficient concentration?
How would you feel when you learn the food industry hides and disguises these excitotoxin additives (MSG and Aspartate) so they can't be recognized? Incredulous? Enraged? The fact is many foods are labeled as having "No MSG" but in fact not only contain MSG but also are laced with other excitotoxins of equal potency and danger.
All of the above are true. And all of these well known brain toxins are poured into our food and drink by the thousands of tons to boost sales. These additives have NO OTHER purpose other than to enhance to TASTE of food and the SWEETNESS of various diet products.
Hidden Sources Of MSG
As discussed previously, the glutamate (MSG) manufacturers and the processed food industries are always on a quest to disguise the MSG added to food. Below is a partial list of the most common names for disguised MSG. Remember also that the powerful excitotoxins, aspartate and L-cystine, are frequently added to foods and according to FDA rules require NO LABELING AT ALL.
* Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG *
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein
Plant Protein Extract
Textured Protein (Including TVP)
Hydrolyzed Oat Flour
* Food Additives That FREQUENTLY Contain MSG *
Natural Beef Or Chicken Flavoring
* Food Additives That MAY Contain MSG Or Excitotoxins *
Soy Protein Concentrate
Soy Protein Isolate
Whey Protein Concentrate
Also: Protease Enzymes of various sources can release excitotoxin amino acids from food proteins.
Aspartame - An Intense Source Of Excitotoxins
Aspartame is a sweetener made from two amino acids, phenylalanine and the excitotoxin aspartate. It should be avoided at all costs. Aspartame complaints accounts for approximately 70% of ALL complaints to the FDA. It is implicated in everything from blindness to headaches to convulsions. Sold under dozens of brand names such as NutraSweet and Equal, aspartame breaks down within 20 minutes at room temperature into several primary toxic and dangerous ingredients:
1. DKP (diketopiperazine) (When ingested, converts to a near duplicate of
a powerful brain tumor causing agent)
2. Formic Acid (ant venom)
3. Formaldehyde (embalming fluid)
4. Methanol (causes blindness...extremely dangerous substance)
Diet soft drinks, sugar free gums, sugar free Kool Aid, Crystal Light, childrens' medications, and thousands of other products claiming to be 'low calorie', 'diet', or 'sugar free'.
A Final Note...
Dr. Blaylock recounted a meeting with a senior executive in the food additive industry who told him point blank that these excitotoxins are going to be in our food no matter how many name changes are necessary...
04-05-2005, 05:26 AM
YES, I've read that MSG article.
MSG makes me fall asleep, so bad in fact, I have fallen asleep while driving, so I stopped using it years ago, after a near miss fell asleep on the freeway, woke up on the other side, facing traffic, and survived. PHEW!.
But I heard that braggs/soy sauce, has naturally occuring msg from the fermentation of the soy beans.
The only reason I am asking, is that I love it SOOOO much, that it seems like it is too much, I haven't had any in about 4 days, so I guess I am okay, don't miss it, it is just when I do taste it, I love it, so want more.
I will have to see how much I eat on any given day.
And YES, raw olives, YES YES and double YES, I just can't get enough of those little guys either.
I used to eat the green all the time, but they are too salty for me, so now I eat the black ones.
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