Going Further than Newstarget....

[LightLover]

The following mail, I have just send to Newstarget and to
Garden of Life. The reason is that I did find the story not clear enough.
Unlimited Communication!

:p
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Dear Garden of Life,

After reading a very recommending
story about your "Living Foods™
Organic Whole Food Bars" on the newstarget website, I am still left with unanswered questions:

- What do you mean with the description
"Living foods"? Does this mean the same as
the words "raw ingredients"?
If not, can you explain us the differences?
The word "living" does not mean anything to me: when not clearly described
it is dead language.
I can't read anything about this in the named story above on newstarget.

- Is there a tresholdtemperature, which is not exceeded by your ingredients? Which is this temperature, and for which ingredients is this so? Are these "raw" ingredients named recognizible from non-raw ingredients on the wrapping ?

These questions themselves, (and your eventual answers),
will be widely published on Internetsites concerning this matter.

Many thanks, Marcel, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.


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LL :D

[misslinda]

What story are you referring to LL or should I say Marcel :)

[LightLover]

Quote:
"What story are you referring to LL or should I say Marcel "

Good timing that you ask that right now, MissL, a few hours ago a woman said to me: You are not "a Marcel" to me, you are more a "Martin".
She didn't know herself what she meant with that...I am also clueless..

Anyway , the story is today on newstarget (Garden of Life launches organic Fruits of Life food bars......), you can read it here.
The direction of this board doesn't appreciate naming direct links to companies, and I can agree with that, so I just name the website.

I am curious if you agree with me that maybe these are great products, but we can't find out, because there is no definition about some keywords
(like: "raw", "living"...)

As long as these definitions are not clear, the really magic list of nutrients,
(never seen such beautifull combinations) is totally meaningless to me.

Regarding the Fda, and their language rapin., we have to go just into the opposite directions:
Formulating everything with a merciless detailed attention/precision.
I am ready....

LL :cool:

[LightLover]

And i am integrating, using dots instead of letters.
I know Americans don't like to curse in full extention...:D


ll

[Dimond]

The bars aren't 100% raw, if that's what you're looking to find out. I had researched these back when they first came out.

[andypdx]

NOT Raw
NOT Vegan

:(

[LightLover]

The bars aren't 100% raw, if that's what you're looking to find out. I had researched these back when they first came out.
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GilmoreGirl, that they are not raw and not vegan is not what shocks
me. (Because 99.99% of the products are not raw).
What is annoying is that they play on the border of "raw-movement",
because they use the word "living", without illustrating at all.
And probably they only use raw honey, in order to name the word "raw",
and hope that people think the whole product is so.
They say "living" like some other products say: "new", or "natural", or
"healthy". Words with no content. They use "SAD-language".
Since all this FDA-stuff I became allergic for the language of liars.
I am very disappointed that Newstarget isn't acting precise in this case.

I think it is necessary to tear the masks of the faces of companies
which are taking a free ride on the "living food image", without any reason to claim so. Maybe whe should make a thread "products we warn against"? The ones fishing in the muddy water they caused, trying to get big fishes.


LL :p

[kaybee]

last week i tried one of these bars and it was probably THE MOST DISGUSTING THING I HAVE EVER EATEN. the ingredients and nutrient list are what caused me to buy it because it seemed so nutrient rich, and also included fermented grains and probiotics. the thing went in the trash. it TASTED fermented. not like sauerkraut fermented, like YUCK fermented. i dont think you can put garlic and greens and fruit and fermented grains in a bar and have it taste good. i wonder who buys these things. yuck.

[tinystrawberry]

ahhh i can't stand it when i see the word "natural" on anything processed!!! it makes no sense!

[LightLover]

last week i tried one of these bars and it was probably THE MOST DISGUSTING THING I HAVE EVER EATEN. the ingredients and nutrient list are what caused me to buy it because it seemed so nutrient rich, and also included fermented grains and probiotics. the thing went in the trash. it TASTED fermented. not like sauerkraut fermented, like YUCK fermented. i dont think you can put garlic and greens and fruit and fermented grains in a bar and have it taste good. i wonder who buys these things. yuck.
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There is another product recommended today on newstarget:
As I do have critics on this product, and do not recommend it
I think it is allowed to pass the link:

www.gojuvo.com

** This is again a product looking very promising and using the word "raw""

and "made with"" . But again, on their website you can't read which percentage of the nutrients is raw, nor does it say ""total raw"".
Am I demanding to much, because of all the FDA stuff I have read, or can some members/readers follow me? In these times you have to be precise.
I am gonna mail this company, but lately I get no responses from
my inquiries :mad:


LL :)

[LightLover]

This is what I mailed.
I will be contacted in 24 hours....:D LL


Dear Juvo, your products look wonderfull, but leave me with the following question:

* if your product contains
100% raw ingredients, can you tell me why your website doesn't say:
""100 % raw ingredients"?

* if the % raw ingredients is less than 100 %, can you tell me why you are not telling, for example:
"70 % raw ingredients"?

(freeze dried is in this case valued as raw)

This question and your answer will be published on a rawfoodforum

thanks & succes, Marcel

[LightLover]

*** I mailed another company today, and the questions are still the same:


Dear Living Fuel, (www.livingfuel.com)

After reading a very recommending
story about your "Living Fuel Rx Super Greens " on the newstarget website some time ago, I am still left with unanswered questions:

- What do you mean with the description
"Living foods"? Does this mean the same as
the words "raw ingredients"?
If not, can you explain us the differences?
The word "living" does not mean anything to me: when not clearly described
it is dead language.
I can't read anything about this in the named story above on newstarget or your website

- Is there a tresholdtemperature, which is not exceeded by your ingredients? Which is this temperature, and for which ingredients is this so? Are these "raw" ingredients named recognizible from non-raw ingredients on the wrapping ?

These questions themselves, (and your eventual answers),
may be published on a rawfood website.

Many thanks, Marcel, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

[LightLover]

* Dr Schulze's Superfood. Not a word on the label/package of this product about the processing-technique (cold? drying?), and on his website no "contact-us" for questions, only for orders....:mad:

ll

[LightLover]

I just mailed raw-revolution bars:

Hi,
Can you tell me why there is no tresholdtemperature on your bar?
I would like to see a text like: all ingredients in this product
are not heatend above the temperature of .... degrees Fahrenheit.
Educating is important, and the word raw doesn't mean anything
(is not objevtive) without explanation.

I have to be a little bit like a schoolmaster.

LL

[LightLover]

GORAW-bars


This seems a very good product to me; all the reactions at this forum are positive and also the website of this company is full of information,
, almost precisive, so I decided to make a last check today:

(www.goraw.com)

Dear Goraw:) .com:

On your website I read the text written below.
My question is: are ALL the ingredients in your foodbars (5 different types)
processed/heatened not above the temperature of 116 Fahrenheit?
Or are there exceptions for some ingredients?
Not that I am 100% purist, but I would like to know exactly what I eat.

Many Thanks, Marcel

ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS ARE UNCOOKED, UNPROCESSED, VEGAN, GMO FREE, WHEAT FREE, GLUTEN FREE, CERTIFIED ORGANIC AND ARE PREPARED IN A 100% RAW FOOD KITCHEN WHERE NO OTHER FOODS ARE PROCESSED / PACKAGED.

When foods are cooked above 116 these live enzymes begin to die and above 145 are considered completely dead. Dead food is difficult to digest and can be very toxic. Many believe toxins to be the primary cause of almost all degenerative disease and illness.

[LightLover]

not getting much answers from the mailed companies..:mad:

ll

[LightLover]

A new mail to a company, about their products not correctly labelled:

(dr martins coco drink)

Dear Dr Martins,

I read in several sources, that your coco nut drink is not at all heated, or at low temperature.
With the big advantage of keeping nutrients/enzymes.
If this is the case, could you please put this on the wrapping/cover?
It's important for consumers to make a choice based on as much information as possible.
Otherwise they will keep buying junkalternatives, confused as they will stay.

Producers of high qualityproducts have an enormous advantage above junkfoodprocessors:
they can publish the criteria on their package which will lead the consumer to a purchase based on information, and not on advertising.
For you it will lead to extra clients, for society to more healhy people.



Thanks, Marcel , Amsterdam, Netherlands.

[sport]

I agree
I bought a case of Dr Martins from detoxyourworld but was surprised to not see any referance to raw on the packet.
I was not planning to get any more until it was clarified.

[LightLover]

I received answer from Dr Martins coco nut drink, and also have send
a new mail. He likes me, should I ask him if he needs a new employee..?:p
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LL
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3.Thanks Dr Martins, that really makes me move further!
But to the topic:
* Maybe you are not allowed to say your product is "raw", but there must be a treshold till howfar you can go with your text-description?
* I can give you very much examples of products with on their package/wraps texts like: "The ingredients in this

product don't exceed the degree of .... degrees Fahrenheit".

If others can write this, you should also be allowed?
This is by far the BEST possible text. A little worse is: "low temperature processed".
If you want, I can help you with finding a appropiate text.
You know what it is: you don't only just want to produce wonderful products, neither do I only want to drink these.
We want to do everything we can and should and would, because others can't or won't
We are on the same train.

Thanks, Marcel.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:10 +0200
From: a.martins@dr-martins.at
To: marcelikelaar@hotmail.com
Subject: Betreff: description of the coco drink
2.
Dear Marcel,
It will be a great idea, but this is not allowed by the law of declaration on food claims, because this will put others product in disadvantage to our product. This is for protection of the lobbist, they are very powerfull$$$$.
We concious productors of ethical and social and health products are allways in disadvantages regarding Coca cola and Co..
By the way thanks very much, you are a very nice person. For you I made Coco Drink.
Dr. Martins Antonio.
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Dear Dr Martins,

I read in several sources, that your coco nut drink is not at all heated, or at low temperature.
With the big advantage of keeping nutrients/enzymes.
If this is the case, could you please put this on the wrapping/cover?
It's important for consumers to make a choice based on as much information as possible.
Otherwise they will keep buying junkalternatives, confused as they will stay.

Producers of high qualityproducts have an enormous advantage above junkfoodprocessors:
they can publish the criteria on their package which will lead the consumer to a purchase based on information, and not on advertising.
For you it will lead to extra clients, for society to more healhy people.



Thanks, Marcel , Amsterdam, Netherlands.

[sport]

I can not see if he told you what their treshold temp is.

[LightLover]

I can not see if he told you what their treshold temp is.

still waiting for a second answer from him..
Better indeed ask this question always in the first round!

LL