Braggs gave me my first raw stomach ache

[Eva]

Part of the reason I was prompted to go raw was because I was having stomach aches every single day. They literally just stopped, flat out, when I switched to raw. I bought some Bragg's because it was in a bunch of Alissa's recipes. I like the taste sort of, but it made me feel the same as SAD!

Is there something else that tastes something like soy sauce that is not so harmful???

[Morningstar]

Nama Shoyu


Most raw Foodist do not do Braggs anymore

[Veganforlife]

Nama shoyu is supposedly a raw soy sauce. The jury continues to be out on this one. Why not just cut that particular taste out all together and use Celtic or sea salt (lightly) instead?

[wyjoz]

Per In Health, Jinjee http://www.TheGardenDiet.com

Braggs has M S G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Conscious Midwife]

Per In Health, Jinjee http://www.TheGardenDiet.com

Braggs has M S G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WTF*

:mad: No way, no way. Braggs was an old vegetarian favorite of mine. It's salty and disturbs my taste buds if I don't thoroughly mix it, but no way NOT MSG. I know it's not RAW and I even question wether or not to use it today as I had been avoiding it.

:mad: I could puke, no wonder I feel sluggish today.

See folks everything you feel may not be detox it could be
RETOX as in a reintroduction to a toxin you had already eliminated.

Unfrickin believable, I am so gonna go read my bottle again, write a letter then start another thread and then I'm gonna be sure to go to Wild Oats this wekend and get the sea salt I was trying to avoid so I have a back up plan for salt cravings. Ugh:eek:

I just put a boat load of Braggs in my nut burger mix and have already eaten 3 today. It's also in my flax crackers. UUUUUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!

Is this a new developement I could have sworn I read the label before.:confused:



::: Runs off to read label, puke and regroup:::


*What the fruit

[Eva]

MSG??? Wowee, that's big! I had never even heard of the stuff, I just got it for some recipes in the book. I bet Alissa didn't know that. I went to their web site out of curiosity (Bragg's), and I guess this lady is supposed to be some sort of health pioneer. What business does she have marketing "unprocessed" stuff that secretly has MSG.

Wow, is all I can say!

AND, I was literally just joking with my husband before lunch about how much better life must be with me now that I'm not passing gas ALL the time (another way SAD handled my poor, sensitive stomach)! I've had a gas attack since lunch!

Retox, here I come!

I don't think I even need something with the taste of soy sauce. Whatever.

[Morningstar]

WTF*

: I am so gonna go read my bottle again, write a letter then start another thread and then I'm gonna be sure to go to Wild Oats this wekend and get the sea salt I was trying to avoid so I have a back up plan for salt cravings. Ugh:eek:

I just put a boat load of Braggs in my nut burger mix and have already eaten 3 today. It's also in my flax crackers. UUUUUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!

Is this a new developement I could have sworn I read the label before.:confused:



::: Runs off to read label, puke and regroup:::*What the fruit


No this has been out, if you read the old threads 05 they were posting that on here.

I took copies to my HFS & they're Dc'ing the product. I still use the ACV

Nama Shoyu has been under "raw?" scrutiny as pointed out by our lovely VFL.

as w/ lara bars etc . Heck some raw foodist ? dehydrating ( You will Pry Phillip from my cold dead ( but looking awesome from her RAW Diet) Hands)


Later days

[Conscious Midwife]

The bottle nor the website list MSG, andlisting it is a FDA equiremeent last time I checked.

Did some quick reasearch and the Amino Acid Glutamic Acid is a bit different molecularly than mon sodium glutamate.

Although hydrolyzed soy protein does create free form glutamate

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/MSG.png/300px-MSG.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MSG.png)THIS IS MSG


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png/140px-L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png) This is glutamic acid

My biochemistry knowledge is dated but if memory serves correctly H bonding makes a big difference. Then there are various isotopes, anion forms, catalyzers yadaha yadah yadah!!!!

Ugggghhhhh

I so don't want to have to think about this, my "dried" in oil olives with seeds gave me enough to ponder this week.

WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????:confused:


Thanks Wikipedia for the PICS

[Eva]

Hey Morningstar, Could you point me in the direction of exactly what to search to bring up the thread you mentioned?

Thank you!

I think that maybe, it is simply (as we've seen this idea recycled throughout this board) the best thing to eat the natural stuff rather than anything out of a container because you just never know! Lesson learned. Sort of, I was fine after I ate my first Lara bar the other day. And I thought it was good, but that's a whole other topic! :)

[Morningstar]

here's one example:
You know in an old post SharoninColorado had a link all about Braggs & now that I am looking I can not find it. I promise to post it if I can Like I said it was around 04-05


http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2695&highlight=Braggs

this is a list of the hits, start on Page 18 back when everyone was new here.

I was a member in JUL 05 dif name so I was enlightened because I used Braggs on everything.

My attitude on RAWPOLICING has changed slightly. Rawkinlocs has many enlightening posts on that. I prefer no worries.


Let me know if that helps you some.

Feel better & blessings along your journey

[Ertarox]

I don't believe at all that it has msg, sorry.

I don't think it is "the greatest", but msg is totally different.

[Ertarox]

The bottle nor the website list MSG, andlisting it is a FDA equiremeent last time I checked.
Precisely.

Plus, the Braggs pour their heart and soul into their work. We have all their books in the AHFI library. That's like saying Alissa's coconut oil has transfats in it.

I'm not saying people aren't who they say they are at times, but aspartame is such a huge and obvious poison, there's just no way.

Overall, some do Braggs, some do/can not. It's one of "those".

For example, most raw foodists eat corn and organic or not it is fungal. More on that in SICK AND TIRED: RECLAIM YOUR INNER TERRAIN, which RULES.

[Ama]

Just becuase it goes against the FDA doesn't mean that companies don't do it. Do a google search and you'll come up with all sorts of info on hidden MSG. Here's something to start you off:

MSG: If it's Safe, Why do They Disguise it on Labels? (http://shop.sixwise.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=175)


Check out the chart that has "MSG is Always In:" and "MSG is Often In:"

Some more info:
http://www.hilary.com/features/msg.html
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/nomsg.html

ETA: I am not saying that Bragg's DOES contain MSG (I personally don't know), my post is simply clarifying that just because something is labeled as not having any MSG doesn't mean it is truly free of MSG.

[Ertarox]

Oh, I know there are 2000 codes for it and stuff like that. It can say "msg-free" and still be loaded with it.

But I still stand behind my own personal feeling that Braggs's would never add msg to their product.

[Ertarox]

P.S. AWESOME link, Ama, by the way. :-)

[Eva]

Wow, Ama, just read through all of your links. Interesting stuff. It's so interesting how all these people are essentially turning food into a harmful drug because of the funky things they're doing to it. And ramen noodles, all that stuff has MSG in it... so interesting, I've never felt okay after eating that stuff. I even tried to cheap out in college, but it zapped my energy so I just dealt with eating more expensive food. You and your body get what you pay for!

This just reminds my why I am eating raw food.

I can't say for sure what the intentions are of the Bragg company, but I can say that what the liquid aminos did to my body was not natural.

[WannaBraw]

I worked at a health food store for years. The Braggs bottle used to say no MSG in big bold letters it no longer says that.


BTW it IS NOT required that they list MSG on any food label. It is often hidden by natural flavorings being listed instead.

[Hopester]

I have an adverse reaction to Braggs much like I do when I have something w/MSG in it.

[andypdx]

Simply wishing away the MSG in Braggs will not make it magically go away. Please Google Braggs MSG (http://www.google.com/search?q=braggs+msg), and pick any of the 136,000 hits that show up. Heck, the first link sums up the entire issue quite nicely.

Braggs contains MSG.

Pure and simple.

No two ways about it.

Patricia Bragg has always denied the presence of MSG, but common sense, as well as independent analysis proves otherwise. Don't worry though, Braggs isn't the only product that contains undeclared MSG. PLENTY of products do! Far too many companies feel nothing about deceiving their customers to turn a buck.

Besides, Braggs Liquid Aminos isn't even raw. Much less raw than Nama Shoyu, at any rate.

[Ertarox]

Okay, so I researched it more myself. This site made me gag: http://www.msg.org.au/main.html

However, they indicated that the msg was naturally occuring versus the chemical additive, stating this was a difference. What is the lowdown on that?

[wyjoz]

Would someone e-mail Jinjee http://www.TheGardenDiet.com

and ask how they found out or how they know?

[Ertarox]

I just emailed Jinjee.....

[Eva]

Ah, very cool Ertatox, you beat me to it!

I'll be curious to hear what he says!

[dreamrawalwz]

I think I've read numerouse places that there can be naturally occuring MSG. So if it isn't added in it may not have to be listed?

Oops, I didn't finish reading the entire thread. Someone beat me to saying this!

[Pierre]

I've read somewhere that the enantiomer makes a difference. All amino acids have four things attached to a carbon atom: an amino group, a carboxyl acid group, a hydrogen, and a fourth group called R. In glycine R is H, so it's not chiral. In proline R connects to the amino group. In all but glycine, there are two ways of arranging these four things, and only one occurs naturally. If you make MSG from a non-protein source, or by a process that flips the molecules, you get racemic MSG, and one of the enantiomers is foreign to the body.

[RawFoodieMom]

Just to clarify...

Braggs doesn't add MSG to their liquid amino/seasoning products as an additive. What I've heard (will try to find the source) is that it's naturally-occuring MSG that forms when the product is made. It's made from processed soybeans. They don't cook the product, but it's made with soybeans that are in essence cooked. And I think that's the case with Nama Shoyu as well (though I don't know if Nama Shoyu has naturally-occuring MSG but it could very well contain it). Braggs and Nama Shoyu are fermented products, but they start from soybeans. And soybeans cannot be used in raw form, they're inedible. They have to be cooked/processed to be able to be consumed. Soooo... I don't think either are optimal, but raw foodists still use it, and it's a personal decision whether to use it in transition. If recipes containing Nama Shoyu are what satisfy you and keep you raw, by all means use it and don't feel guilty about it... Lots of well-known raw foodists use it.

Deb

[klomasius]

MSG is a naturally occurring molecule. If you'd like to avoid MSG altogether, you need to avoid foods such as tomatoes and mushrooms.

As Pierre pointed out, there may be something to the structure of the molecule, and how it is produced (i.e. made during an industrial process like hydrolisation etc. or simply naturally occuring and condensed from natural sources, like dried powdered mushroom or tomato etc.).

However I don't believe that MSG is the evil molecule it's made out to be, rather that it's something to be eaten in moderation, like in naturally occurring form in fresh veg, or as a dried veg prep. Or in naturally brewed condiments (which Braggs is apparently not).

Most of the studies conducted on the effects of MSG use huge amounts of the substance, much akin to force feeding a rat lots of salt, then claiming it's a toxic chemical when the rat dies.

There are separate parts of the debate, whether Braggs (or nama shoyu etc.) are raw and whether MSG is in Braggs. MSG is definitely in Braggs, and also in other soy sauce like condiments (either as a natural part of the base food used, or as an additive, or as a part of the manufacturing process). However I think this isn't something to get panicky about.

But each to their own.

[Ertarox]

This is the conclusion that I have come to! Both sides are right and both sides are wrong!

Jinjee got back to me. What Jinjiee said is that the book EXCITOTOXINS says is that all soy products that are fermented, including Nama Shoyu, soy sauce, braggs, surely miso, have msg.

Now, from what I gather, the msg that is scary grows in labs, not ferments.

So as usual, I think both sides are probably right and both are probably wrong, because I am detecting that if this is true, it is some kind of naturally occurring phenomenon, which has already been confirmed in the above posts which means I am CLEARLY missing my calling as a masterful scientific theorist.

I mean, my friend Peggy's son is highly allergic to MSG and he can eat braggs no problem. MSG bothers her too. So, I don't think braggs has the msg that people THINK it does in it.

But, it IS strong and if you wish to avoid it, avoid it. However, those that use it are no more not raw or anything than people who use steamed cashews, maple syrup, etc. Lots of raw foods are controversial, especially corn, which I never hear ANYbody talking about. Cacao is controversial and not for everyone either, but oh well. More for the cacao and braggs lovers, etc.

[Ertarox]

I worked at a health food store for years. The Braggs bottle used to say no MSG in big bold letters it no longer says that.

Sounds like this is due to the naturally occuring ones...

[Conscious Midwife]

The bottle nor the website list MSG, andlisting it is a FDA equiremeent last time I checked.

Did some quick reasearch and the Amino Acid Glutamic Acid is a bit different molecularly than mon sodium glutamate.

Although hydrolyzed soy protein does create free form glutamate

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/MSG.png/300px-MSG.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MSG.png)THIS IS MSG


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png/140px-L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L-glutamic-acid-skeletal.png) This is glutamic acid

My biochemistry knowledge is dated but if memory serves correctly H bonding makes a big difference. Then there are various isotopes, anion forms, catalyzers yadaha yadah yadah!!!!

Ugggghhhhh

I so don't want to have to think about this, my "dried" in oil olives with seeds gave me enough to ponder this week.

WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????:confused:


Thanks Wikipedia for the PICS


It all goes back to the above:)

[Ertarox]

EXACTLY.

Hell, when you ponder that 70% of all "organic" produce in the U.S. has pesticides on it, it really puts this into perspective. I mean, Braggs is a condominet, not that those cannot harm us. Honestly, you truly have to marvel over just how strong the human body is....