Milk Products

[domestic goddess]

I know milk products in general are not raw, nor are they vegan. We do not drink milk, and never have. (Cow milk for cow babies...)We used to eat soy cheese until we found out we have a soy allergy. RIce cheese is not an option either as it has soy in it as well. So, 2 out of my 3 kids eat cow cheese :o , my other son and I do not due to milk allergies. I know, get to the raw part, lol. My question is although it isn't vegan, would raw milk be ok? I used to make my own togurt and kefir from organic milk, and we all could tolerate it. Would that make us un-raw? How is that viewed around here? There are SO many health benefits from kefir and yogurt and we are seriously gut wounded here so we can use all the help we can get. Any comments? Good, bad and indifferent are ok...I am on the fence about this right now.

[Rawzula]

If I were you, I'd leave dairy products alone:eek:.

I don't consider milk healthy and there are many that would agree with me.

[Bechtel]

I was growing up on kefir, cottage cheese and prostokvasha.
I was a big proponent of fermented milk products. Not anymore. I have up on yogurt and kefir 7 month ago and I do not miss them at all.

[solarliving]

I agree that milk products are not the best for the body. If you are worried about calcium there are a lot of healthy alternatives. 1 cup of Kale has more calcium then 1 cup of milk. You can make almond or sesame milk and Oranges are another source. There are many other foods I just can't remember them all right now.

[hypnocmt]

You can easily cut dairy from your diet and still get the probiotic benefits of kefir, just use rejuvelac and/or a supplement. Even if your kids don't test pos. for dairy allergies, I guarantee you it does more harm than you know beneath the surface.

You can't get raw dairy in this country. It has to be pasteurized.



Milk is just not good for humans, period. Moreover, it provides no nutrient that you cannot get from a safer, more sensible source.

[Lunar*Fey]

I don't think milk from other animals is healthy for us to consume regularly....but that's just me...I never felt really good on milk, but my body is very sensitive. or maybe it is just that I am very sensitive to my body. lol I have no idea. Any way, I totally understand about wanting the benefits of healthy bacteria and having poor digestion....have you tried making cultured veggies like kimchi and sauerkraut? THat can solve the probiotic issues...and if you are worried about calcium eat lots of greens and make huge green-rich, delicious smoothies!

[Stina]

My concern is the mucuous response.

[DavidZaneMason]

Alissa promotes a raw vegan diet - one with no dairy products. I have been all-raw and vegan for many, many years...and am the healthiest guy I know. My opinion is that you should avoid them (unprocessed or otherwise).

-David Z. Mason

[solarliving]

I recently saw this from another post about coconuts.

http://bodyecology.com/mcoconutkefir.php

[domestic goddess]

Thanks for the input :)
It's not the calcium I am worried about, its the flooding our systems with probiotics I am after. I love kimchee but not sure the kids will go for it.

hypnocmt- actually you can get raw dairy...you just have to know someone. I can get raw goats milk one town away, and I know several people who get raw cow's milk. I don't think it can be sold in stores though. These are private dairys doing this. What is rejuvelac?

solarliving- thanks for that link! I love it! I have the actual grains, not a starter...I am going to read more and see if that would be an alternative for us :)

I'd love to hear more...

[jerseygirl1969]

I was the "Got Milk?" poster child until I went raw. It took about three weeks for me to completely give up dairy. One thing that helped was nut milks. And, you can use nut milks to make kefir (according to gabriel cousins, md). I also think nut milks taste better than soy milk.

[WannaBraw]

I make coconut kifer. My family loves it. Leave the dairy alone, It is not necessary.

Ellyn

[dreamrawalwz]

(Cow milk for cow babies...)

I think you answered it for yourself :)