eating sad after going raw

[luna99]

I've been trying to do 100% for two weeks now and while I usually do extremely well for breakfast and lunch and during the week... I"m finding the toughest times for me are weekends or evenings.. when I want to snack or my fiance and I usually go out to dinner.

Well.. I have slipped here and there.. and usually I try to "slip" with things that are pretty close to raw... sushi (the rice isn't raw and the fish isn't vegan) or basil rolls (the rice wrapper isn't raw) ... but I have twice now eaten something that REALLY wasn't raw... once it was a taco salad.. most of it was raw... except the beans and chicken... then last night I had SAD pizza.

What I'm noticing is after I go back and eat larger portions of SAD food.. I feel pretty bad the next day. I'm either burping up the meal from the night before.. or I feel really gassy and my stomach hurts.

Is that how it's always going to be? I know it's a good sign because it means my body is not wanting those SAD foods anymore....

but my wedding/honeymoon is coming up in eight months and I told myself that on that during that time I would allow myself to eat whatever I wanted.. am I going to end up feeling sick??? LOL. I guess I just need to realize that I should probably eat mostly raw all the time and not keep the mentality that "IT'S MY WEDDING - so I can totally pig out!".

I know raw is the best for me.. I'm really feeling great on it.. things have really improved for me including my skin, my bloated/gassy feelings I used to get all the time... I KNOW that I should eat raw even during my wedding/honeymoon...

but I dunno... I still have that little voice inside me saying I DESERVE to eat SAD FOOD during this time in my life!

any advice/suggestions/sympathy/tough love? haha. ;)

[Veganforlife]

Oh man! Yep, that's how it is my dear. Your body prefers raw, you decide to give it SAD, it's gonna revolt. That little voice telling you you DESERVE to eat SAD? Don't listen to that. It's lying...
Tough love here baby, sorry...

[rawlee]

I think that if you eat raw for the next 8 months til your wedding, your tastes will change and you will be adding a raw entree to your wedding menu! I know it's hard to believe but by then you probably won't desire SAD food. :)

[billyne]

I've been trying to do 100% for two weeks now and while I usually do extremely well for breakfast and lunch and during the week... I"m finding the toughest times for me are weekends or evenings.. when I want to snack or my fiance and I usually go out to dinner.

Well.. I have slipped here and there.. and usually I try to "slip" with things that are pretty close to raw... sushi (the rice isn't raw and the fish isn't vegan) or basil rolls (the rice wrapper isn't raw) ... but I have twice now eaten something that REALLY wasn't raw... once it was a taco salad.. most of it was raw... except the beans and chicken... then last night I had SAD pizza.

What I'm noticing is after I go back and eat larger portions of SAD food.. I feel pretty bad the next day. I'm either burping up the meal from the night before.. or I feel really gassy and my stomach hurts.

Is that how it's always going to be? I know it's a good sign because it means my body is not wanting those SAD foods anymore....

but my wedding/honeymoon is coming up in eight months and I told myself that on that during that time I would allow myself to eat whatever I wanted.. am I going to end up feeling sick??? LOL. I guess I just need to realize that I should probably eat mostly raw all the time and not keep the mentality that "IT'S MY WEDDING - so I can totally pig out!".

I know raw is the best for me.. I'm really feeling great on it.. things have really improved for me including my skin, my bloated/gassy feelings I used to get all the time... I KNOW that I should eat raw even during my wedding/honeymoon...

but I dunno... I still have that little voice inside me saying I DESERVE to eat SAD FOOD during this time in my life!

any advice/suggestions/sympathy/tough love? haha. ;)


that is sooo funny you posted this! the day before yesterday i ate some fried potatoes and onions, and i am still paying for it!

[shine72]

Marci - dh and I were just talking about this the other day. We are going to Carabba's for the 17th (our Valentine's will be celebrated a few day late), and I was saying that the hardest part for me will be passing up the dessert. I love a cake they have there.

However, I've been 100% since Dec. 27th, and although the thought of the taste is somewhat tempting, here is what's stopping me. A) I know it probably wouldn't taste the same to me anymore, so I wouldn't really enjoy it like I did before, and B) I don't want what I eat to make me feel sick EVER AGAIN! I told dh last night that I never want cooked food again, that I love being raw, and that being raw is the most fun I've EVER had with food!

You need to do what is right for you, however, thinking you "deserve" to eat SAD, is a mindset worth changing!

Sunshine :D

[Amberly]

Yeah, in 8 months you probably won't even want cooked. If you do, you may want to stick pretty close too it. Instead of thinking of it as getting to have cooked on your wedding, think of it as getting to look and feel radiant on your wedding. ;)

[DavidZaneMason]

I hear you! Ha! ha! But (my opinion) it definitely pays to get off the fence and get serious about how you really feel. If you feel (as I do) that raw food really IS the higher quality food....then why settle for second best. Inherent in the idea that you 'deserve' food that YOU think is a poorer alternative could always stand some further exploration. Don't you think? Why is it ok to settle for second best on your honeymoon?

-Remember that if you harbor a deep-seated idea that you are 'giving up' something instead of 'giving a gift to yourself', then you will eventually find a way to go back to eating (what YOU think) are poorer food choices.

-What do you think?

-David Z. Mason

[Ariannah]

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding! Do you have a say in the menu for your wedding? Could fruits and real salads be added to it? Is it buffet style? Catered?

My take on this is, if you think of going back to SAD or cooked for your wedding dinner as a "reward" or "treat" after 8 months of "being good", you probably haven't yet seen how much RAW is a glorious reward and treat in and of itself :D

If you stick to raw in all its glory for the next 8 months, you can be surrounded by cooked and probably not want to touch it. That's how I am now being around my family who still eat cooked.

[KatK]

How about a "treat" of ultra-fancy catered raw food? Some of the stuff I've seen looks wildly delicious, but very expensive.

[luna99]

thanks everyone... I'm actually getting married at disney world so as far as the wedding reception dinner goes.. I haven't decided what I'm doing yet.. I was just going to book a restaurant there.. maybe I'll try to find one that has a wide variety of foods including fresh salads.

for the honeymoon I think we are going to aruba.. and I have no doubt that I'll have access to all the fresh fruits and veggies I need there... so eating raw there should be fairly easy...

maybe you're all right and after eight months of raw it won't even be a problem and I won't want to eat heavy meals.

thanks for all your suggestions and help!

[Nimmanu]

Pardon my "fruityness" here, but I would recommend that you start disputing that "little voice" that keeps telling you what you deserve...

Rather than agreeing with it, start saying, "No, you know what I deserve? I deserve to feel ALIVE and ENERGIZED for my wedding night! I deserve to look SEXY and to have great skin and a fabulous body for my wedding day! I deserve to feel good and look good, and eat healthy! I deserve a long and happy life filled with energy, joy, and feeling GREAT!"

Cooked food isn't a reward, it's a remorse! Tell your little voice that you do NOT deserve to sabotage yourself by going off proper nutrition. That you deserve to uphold your RIGHT to be healthy and feel and look great.

[luna99]

Pardon my "fruityness" here, but I would recommend that you start disputing that "little voice" that keeps telling you what you deserve...

Rather than agreeing with it, start saying, "No, you know what I deserve? I deserve to feel ALIVE and ENERGIZED for my wedding night! I deserve to look SEXY and to have great skin and a fabulous body for my wedding day! I deserve to feel good and look good, and eat healthy! I deserve a long and happy life filled with energy, joy, and feeling GREAT!"

Cooked food isn't a reward, it's a remorse! Tell your little voice that you do NOT deserve to sabotage yourself by going off proper nutrition. That you deserve to uphold your RIGHT to be healthy and feel and look great.

*stands up and cheers!!!* wow, what awesome words! or rather... RAWsome words!

thank you!!!! :D

[Veganforlife]

I'm too scared at this point to put any CRAP food into my body. I call it CRAP because that's what it makes me feel like. I think I would blow up or something...
:eek:

[sbaker]

well here is my thought...i struggle too...believe me, pizza is a killer, specially when my boyfriend and his 4 year old bring it home 3 times a week! BUT would you rather spend your honeymoon (in a bikini) feeling bloated and fat, and sleep in all morning feeling like crap cuz of the food you ate? Thats just one way to look at it, cuz i feel the same as you when i slip up. I know on my honeymoon, my treat will be some organic sulfate free merlot on hand:) I know you KNOW whats best, its just a matter of talking yourself out of looking forward to eating freely. who knows, maybe aruba is like that post i had about costa rica...all sorts of new raw food to try that keeps things exciting:)

[lodestar]

the biggest hurdle i ever hopped is when "should" became "want."

p.s. i knew you were going to eat that pizza before you ever did. your journal. :)

[luna99]

the biggest hurtle i ever hopped is when "should" became "want."

p.s. i knew you were going to eat that pizza before you ever did. your journal. :)

:o yeah, I knew I was going to eat it too. I felt so icky after though and was sooooooooo thirsty. Pizza used to never make me thirsty like that and now I guess since I'm getting more juicy fruits... the regular food I used to eat is way salty and dry.

I realize that it's more about my mind and the way I view food and health than anything else.

[ChiChi]

I you are going to eat non raw foods let your selections be healthy ones. My husband is not raw nor are my kids but I will prepare them helathy foods along with raw foods. You can be selective when you go to resteraunts in which you will make healthy choices even though they are cooked. For example for sushi you can ask them to prepare it with brown rice or no rice at all.

[brawdwaybaby]

i know what you mean. my fiance and our roommate had a huge 4 pound thing of ground meat in the fridge, and since i knew they would let it sit there till it rotted and 'never get around to it' i decided to be nice and cook hamburgers for them. Whats weird is that i normally dont like red meat but i ate one of the burgers, and the headaches that i used to get constantly that have gone away since i started raw....i got one not 15 minutes after eating that burger!

But i was happy at the same time because it was like my body was reasuring me that im doing the right thing by going raw.

8 months from now you will be so used to feeling so good on raw, cooked food probably wont even be slightly appealing to you anymore!

[Nenyath]

I wish you a joyful wedding!

Try this little mind experiment and see what you prefer. First see yourself on your weddingday after 8 months raw. Your eyes, skin and heir will radiate with health, your eyes will even sparkle by the candlelight under the dinner. The dress of your dreams sits so perfect on your slim body that it seems to have been made for you. You smile and laugh with an ease and unrestrained natural beauty. The desert is just being served: fresh strawberries dipped in a raw chocolate sauce along with exotic fruits cut out and served in beautiful parfeit glasses. You reach for your freshly squeezed oj and sip before you eat one of the strawberries. You feel happy and fresh, the evening had just begun! Next scenarium: Instead of the fruit and the chocolate dipped strawberries the waiters come in with traditional cake and icecream. See yourself (in said perfect dress etc.) litterally pigging out on the cake and the icecream (and don't make this part pretty ok!). You already felt very heavy after the traditional dinner but now you also feel slightly nauseous by the suger and kinda tired. You feel how your stomach has begun to ache.. I hope this helps!!!

Fly forever free..

[trinity082482]

Omg if you eat raw until your wedding day.. can you imagine how much different you could look in 8 months! OMG LOL Your beautiful now but you could be a glowing foxy mama in that wedding dress!!! :eek: Stick to it!! :D

[luna99]

I wish you a joyful wedding!

Try this little mind experiment and see what you prefer. First see yourself on your weddingday after 8 months raw. Your eyes, skin and heir will radiate with health, your eyes will even sparkle by the candlelight under the dinner. The dress of your dreams sits so perfect on your slim body that it seems to have been made for you. You smile and laugh with an ease and unrestrained natural beauty. The desert is just being served: fresh strawberries dipped in a raw chocolate sauce along with exotic fruits cut out and served in beautiful parfeit glasses. You reach for your freshly squeezed oj and sip before you eat one of the strawberries. You feel happy and fresh, the evening had just begun! Next scenarium: Instead of the fruit and the chocolate dipped strawberries the waiters come in with traditional cake and icecream. See yourself (in said perfect dress etc.) litterally pigging out on the cake and the icecream (and don't make this part pretty ok!). You already felt very heavy after the traditional dinner but now you also feel slightly nauseous by the suger and kinda tired. You feel how your stomach has begun to ache.. I hope this helps!!!

Fly forever free..

that really does help. All my life I've wondered how it would feel to be "that girl" the one that looks so radiant in her own skin and comfortable... who glows..

thank you.. I''m definitely working towards that and I know for my honeymoon I want to feel light and full of energy... if you get my drift. ;)

[luna99]

oooh, thank you trinity! that really made my day... and to hear it from such a beautiful person as yourself too. thanks!

[Nenyath]

I do get your drift! After 8 months you WILL be that girl, go hard!

Fly forever free..

[christiahall]

Ive been 100% raw for 2 weeks now, and plan to go 80% after my 30 days. I know, its terrible. On my wedding, I didn't eat anything because I was so nervous and exhausted. I wish I had been offered raw food. All I ate was a couple crackers and some grapes! Couldn't even eat cake, my stomach was so tight.

So... it may be for you that you will enjoy so many other aspects of getting married that you may not even care about food. Not to mention, your stomach will already be used to raw food... so it would be a double leap trying to feed it SAD!

[SiennaInLondon]

Actually SAD is a question that worries me about raw. Raw is, I am sure we are all agreed, the IDEAL diet. However, suppose when I am 40 (I am 20 now) I want to go back to SAD (albeit a healthier version -lean meat and lots of cooked veg) and am sick of having to go to healthfood shops, and of avoiding restaurants... will my body balloon in weight then? Will I get ill? That is awfully constricting. Who wants to be so pure in an impure world?

[Nimmanu]

Actually SAD is a question that worries me about raw. Raw is, I am sure we are all agreed, the IDEAL diet. However, suppose when I am 40 (I am 20 now) I want to go back to SAD (albeit a healthier version -lean meat and lots of cooked veg) and am sick of having to go to healthfood shops, and of avoiding restaurants... will my body balloon in weight then? Will I get ill? That is awfully constricting. Who wants to be so pure in an impure world?
LOL!

I'm sorry to laugh, but you make it sound like your body won't do that on SAD food regardless of your previous raw state. I can't help but find that amusing!

[Ariannah]

Actually SAD is a question that worries me about raw. Raw is, I am sure we are all agreed, the IDEAL diet. However, suppose when I am 40 (I am 20 now) I want to go back to SAD (albeit a healthier version -lean meat and lots of cooked veg) and am sick of having to go to healthfood shops, and of avoiding restaurants... will my body balloon in weight then? Will I get ill? That is awfully constricting. Who wants to be so pure in an impure world?

Me. I am going to be 40 in a few months. And I don't want to go back on cooked, even if pigging out on cooked were the ONLY way to get thin (LOL).

Part of my motivation is selfish. I have read of women who have been long-term raw not having the classic symptoms of menopause when they get older. I want to be one of those women when my time comes!

But the bigger picture is overall, I feel fabulous.

"fitting in" is the least of my worries.

[PeachyMama]

I'll be pure in an impure world too!

I'm 44, and I doubt that I would have appreciated the benefits of raw when I was younger. Or would not have appreciated them as much.

When you come into this sick, old before your time and with wicked awful hot flashes, things like the pressures of social eating pale in comparison to the improvements you've seen in your health.

[Svadhyaya]

I think the sudden blowing up of weight gain comes from eating too few calories for a period of time and then increasing your calories markedly (cooked food generally is more calorie laden than raw, because of the way it is prepared.) When you damage your metabolism by taking in a small number of calories each day, the result is that you gain weight easily when you begin to eat more (whether that "more" is raw or cooked.)

People will disagree with me, I'm sure.

I think if a healthy adult aims to take in absolutely no less than 1200-1500 calories a day, their metabolism will remain somewhat steady (declining with age, of course.....a growing teenager or athlete needs more than this, a sedentary older woman needs on the low end of it.)

As far as raw goes, the disease-proofing, immune boosting, age-slowing, cellular-level healing benefits are the ones that really matter. Weight loss is simply a matter of calories in vs. calories out. That's why weight watchers works no matter what you eat on it. The problem is that salty, fatty, broken down foods will cause free radicals that destroy your cells in many different ways, causing edema, disease, and all sorts of general malaise. It's also why you lose so much weight on raw - you generally have to eat a LOT to up your calorie intake, unless you eat nothing but avocados and nuts. If you do that, you'll gain - because of the calories!

Again, I know people disagree, but this is what I believe.

[SiennaInLondon]

Thankyou Svadhyaya, that is the response I was looking for.

[SiennaInLondon]

LOL!

I'm sorry to laugh, but you make it sound like your body won't do that on SAD food regardless of your previous raw state. I can't help but find that amusing!

I have to say I find this extreme point of view amusing too. I don't live in America but when I say SAD, I mean lots of fruit and veg, some lean meat and some fun deserts every so often. You'll be amazed to find that on that diet you won't fall dead instantly although raw is probably ideal for the body. Do you think that the life expectancy of raw foodists is significantly longer than someone on a moderate European diet? No and that is not I hope why we do it. Then as that car hits us, I'll sure be saying, '**** I wish I had eaten beef carpacio all these years'. Not to mention the evidence that says comfort eating reduces stress hormones in the body.

And no you wont be fat or ill on any diet providing you are sensible about it... I am raw because my body expectations are higher than most people's and I model. However a banoffee pie is fun, as is a box of Ferrero Rocher chocolates or English treacle puddings. When I am 50 I won't care about how I look because there is really no point. I am of the live fast, die soon philosphy but raw foodism perfects my body in the living fast part. I don't believe in hanging round long after life is worth living. But as you know, that isn't the question I was asking. The question I was asking was answered by the last poster.

[SiennaInLondon]

Part of my motivation is selfish. I have read of women who have been long-term raw not having the classic symptoms of menopause when they get older. I want to be one of those women when my time comes!

But the bigger picture is overall, I feel fabulous.

Fair enough. That is your motivation. But the memory of how fabulous warm liver or steak tartare is still with me and probably will be with me when I am fifty. At that point I suspect my priorities will change.

[rawpriestess]

How about a "treat" of ultra-fancy catered raw food? Some of the stuff I've seen looks wildly delicious, but very expensive.
WOW, PERFECTLY SAID!!!

I agree, IF you think of eating raw food as sacrafice, then you aren't really enjoying the process, so why even eat raw food at all?

I mean WHY did you decide to start eating raw food in the first place?

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Okay, well if THAT answer is YES, then for what purpose do you wish to eat cooked?
to sabotage yourself?
your progress?
your health?

or because you think it might taste good?

trust me after a few months of raw food, cooked food tastes like gunk!!!

but it is up to you.

I'd rather spend my honeymoon with joy for life, and energy and feeling wonderful, instead of in a sugar coma, sleeping all day because I had gas and bloating and was sick to my stomache, but HEY, that's me
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I'm hoping you got a laugh out of this, and will take it the right way, I'm a firm believer in doing what ever you want and what works for you, but it seems to me that you have your mind made up that you WILL eat cooked food as a reward on your honeymoon, and I don't think you will find the gas and bloating much of a reward to your new hubby,

just a thought!

all of this was said with a smile, and a warm hug

do what works for YOU.

and congratulations on being in love :o)-- my favorite feeling. bliss!

[Nimmanu]

I have to say I find this extreme point of view amusing too. I don't live in America but when I say SAD, I mean lots of fruit and veg, some lean meat and some fun deserts every so often. You'll be amazed to find that on that diet you won't fall dead instantly although raw is probably ideal for the body. Do you think that the life expectancy of raw foodists is significantly longer than someone on a moderate European diet? No and that is not I hope why we do it. Then as that car hits us, I'll sure be saying, '**** I wish I had eaten beef carpacio all these years'. Not to mention the evidence that says comfort eating reduces stress hormones in the body.

And no you wont be fat or ill on any diet providing you are sensible about it... I am raw because my body expectations are higher than most people's and I model. However a banoffee pie is fun, as is a box of Ferrero Rocher chocolates or English treacle puddings. When I am 50 I won't care about how I look because there is really no point. I am of the live fast, die soon philosphy but raw foodism perfects my body in the living fast part. I don't believe in hanging round long after life is worth living. But as you know, that isn't the question I was asking. The question I was asking was answered by the last poster.

Of course you won't drop over dead instantly. However, I've spent more years than you've been alive eating EXTREMELY healthy on a "SAD" diet. In fact, most people already think that I'm berserk in my extreme care regarding what I eat.

I still ended up with gestational diabetes and weight that just wouldn't come off no matter what I did.

I'm not here because I've been eating chips and dips.

I'm here because I took INCREDIBLE care of my body, the best I knew how to... and in the end, I got sick anyway. I was extremely resentful of that. I felt betrayed in that, I had worked so hard to be and to stay healthy, and instead, I had to stab myself in the leg every day with 50 units of insulin.

I gave up every day, things that were yummy and fun. Yet I still ended up sick.

You're so worried that you'll regret, as you lay dying, that you didn't eat all the yummies?

Well, I'll tell you what's worse. Living with the fact that you DID eat all the yummies. Dying would be easy. Get diabetes, despite all the care and caution you've exercised in your diet, then come back and tell me how deprived you are.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all die before we had to face the consequences of eating SAD food. Wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have the hershey squirts today despite having spent years making sure I got enough fiber. Wouldn't it be nice if, having been so careful in my SAD diet, that I never had to stab myself in the leg for 3 months solid (and in the finger 5 x per day, every day, for that long).

I wish that you were right, that there was such a thing as a "healthy" SAD diet. That I wasn't, even now, paying for my "healthy" eating. That at age 35, I hadn't gotten diabetes- after all, it's not fair, I WAS CAREFUL!

I'm eating better now than I ever did on my "healthy" SAD diet, anyway. Now I don't have to deprive myself, or tell myself "no." If I want something sweet, I eat sweet. If I want salty, I eat salty. And it's all good, it's all healthy, and none of it makes me feel like sleeping.

Again, I think it's pretty funny that you think that you won't get ill, and you won't end up getting overweight at age 40 if you eat a SAD diet up til then. The only reasons I'm not overweight is because I workout every single day, and I don't eat all the "crap" like synthesized preservatives, processed grains & sugars, etc.

But even without those, I am sick. Despite carefully taking vitamins and EFAs. And I resent that I spent so many years being so careful, only to end up sick anyway.

Well, I'm going to change that. And I'm sorry that you genuinely think that eating a "healthy" SAD diet will keep you from getting overweight or sick. Frankly, I think you're in for a really ugly surprise. Take it from me... my surprise was really ugly.

Well, the health part of it was, anyway. The baby part is gorgeous.


Fair enough. That is your motivation. But the memory of how fabulous warm liver or steak tartare is still with me and probably will be with me when I am fifty. At that point I suspect my priorities will change.

Actually, when you're 50, if you were to stick to a true raw diet, I think what would strike you the most is how everyone around you that's 50 is old and decrepit, and you can't understand it because you're sitting there thinking, "50 ain't old, what's the matter with you people??"

I feel that sometimes at 35, much less at 50. People around me, my age, who are falling apart. I thank god that I did do as well as I did with my health- and I wish that I'd known about raw a long time ago.

[SiennaInLondon]

WOW, PERFECTLY SAID!!!

I agree, IF you think of eating raw food as sacrafice, then you aren't really enjoying the process, so why even eat raw food at all?

I mean WHY did you decide to start eating raw food in the first place?

Okay, well if THAT answer is YES, then for what purpose do you wish to eat cooked?
to sabotage yourself?
your progress?
your health?

or because you think it might taste good?

If this was aimed at me, I should state first that I answered the questions already. OF COURSE raw food is a sacrifice in terms of pleasure. Our bodies are designed to give off happy hormones when we eat fatty, sugary foods. It is a survival mechanism. If you deny this, you are lying to yourself and I am not big on denial whether it is about raw foodism or religion (feeling quite atheist of late you see!).

Why do it? Because I care about my looks.

Why do I want to return to cooked? I don't know yet that I do fully but I want to keep the option open. Inflexibility is a ridiculous thing.

And why do I think I might? Because of the taste yes. And healthy (because cooked food can be relatively healthy) cooked food does not taste disgusting. It tastes amazing. Of course after a while you may not be used to it but the high you get from a steak and chips when you are used to it, far exceeds any high on raw foodism.

[SiennaInLondon]

Of course you won't drop over dead instantly. However, I've spent more years than you've been alive eating EXTREMELY healthy on a "SAD" diet. In fact, most people already think that I'm berserk in my extreme care regarding what I eat.

But why be 'beserk'? Half the fun in life is living without obsessing over anything. Being able to join in without thinking twice. And there is no way I can go to a restaurant and not have to think twice on raw.


I still ended up with gestational diabetes and weight that just wouldn't come off no matter what I did.

I'm here because I took INCREDIBLE care of my body, the best I knew how to... and in the end, I got sick anyway. I was extremely resentful of that. I felt betrayed in that, I had worked so hard to be and to stay healthy, and instead, I had to stab myself in the leg every day with 50 units of insulin.

I gave up every day, things that were yummy and fun. Yet I still ended up sick.

You're so worried that you'll regret, as you lay dying, that you didn't eat all the yummies?

Well, I'll tell you what's worse. Living with the fact that you DID eat all the yummies. Dying would be easy. Get diabetes, despite all the care and caution you've exercised in your diet, then come back and tell me how deprived you are.

That is called genetics. I am sorry you got the short straw I really am. That is not a fun way of life for anyone to accept someone else has to live. But I am not going to turn an anecdotal story into universal truth. There are many many people who don't have diabetes and aren't overweight. Of course America is a scary extreme but I know Europe and Asia well and in neither place will you find exclusively overweight old people who all have diabetes. If you are based in America, it might be easier to take the extremes than the middle ground. A healthy American diet is probably akin to an unhealthy Asian one.


Wouldn't it be nice if we could all die before we had to face the consequences of eating SAD food. Wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have the hershey squirts today despite having spent years making sure I got enough fiber. Wouldn't it be nice if, having been so careful in my SAD diet, that I never had to stab myself in the leg for 3 months solid (and in the finger 5 x per day, every day, for that long).

I wish that you were right, that there was such a thing as a "healthy" SAD diet. That I wasn't, even now, paying for my "healthy" eating. That at age 35, I hadn't gotten diabetes- after all, it's not fair, I WAS CAREFUL!

I'm eating better now than I ever did on my "healthy" SAD diet, anyway. Now I don't have to deprive myself, or tell myself "no." If I want something sweet, I eat sweet. If I want salty, I eat salty. And it's all good, it's all healthy, and none of it makes me feel like sleeping.

Again, disregarding the anecdotal part, there IS such a thing as a healthy normal diet. Do you think any of those people who live to 120 or whatever are vegetarians. Whenever I hear their stories they are all smokers or whatever and live in third world countries. Of course they are anomalous just like you but they are luckier. I am on raw because I don't know what my genetics are yet. I am too young. Thanks to nature I am healthy and always have been. I'll keep away the genetics as long as is necessary for my appearance. But when I am old and my social life is a thing of the past because all my friends have gotten married, forgetent their contraception and spawned a load of brats, I may just want to indulge a little (providing I don't put on weight... if ever there was a career killer, it is not being thin.)


Again, I think it's pretty funny that you think that you won't get ill, and you won't end up getting overweight at age 40 if you eat a SAD diet up til then. The only reasons I'm not overweight is because I workout every single day, and I don't eat all the "crap" like synthesized preservatives, processed grains & sugars, etc.

But even without those, I am sick. Despite carefully taking vitamins and EFAs. And I resent that I spent so many years being so careful, only to end up sick anyway.

Well, I'm going to change that. And I'm sorry that you genuinely think that eating a "healthy" SAD diet will keep you from getting overweight or sick. Frankly, I think you're in for a really ugly surprise. Take it from me... my surprise was really ugly.

Well, the health part of it was, anyway. The baby part is gorgeous.

Again, you may not have a fast metabolism. I have been underweight from day one but now I am having to fight a lot more because I want to be more than underweight. I want to lose 5kg and be 106lbs at 5ft9". I want to do runway work not commercial. I refuse to starve myself so raw foodism is necessary. If I find I put on weight whilst a raw foodist, screw that. I'll be moderate and healthy normally. And who was talking about "synthesized preservatives, processed grains & sugars?" I find the twisting of my words 'pretty funny'. I was talking about lean meat and brown rice and ok maybe chocolate but not to excess. Of course avoiding excess is easier when you are channelling a despot. Raw foodism works for me because a lentil burger becomes a sin because GOD FORBID it is cooked. That means there is less scope for having chocolate binges.


Actually, when you're 50, if you were to stick to a true raw diet, I think what would strike you the most is how everyone around you that's 50 is old and decrepit, and you can't understand it because you're sitting there thinking, "50 ain't old, what's the matter with you people??"

I feel that sometimes at 35, much less at 50. People around me, my age, who are falling apart. I thank god that I did do as well as I did with my health- and I wish that I'd known about raw a long time ago.

I feel, I feel... what about the rest of the world. French women for example age phenomenally well. Why? Because quality of life in France is wonderful and whenever I am there people are talking politics and couture instead of Lindsay Lohan and juicy couture i.e. less self obsession. And most importantly, the French know moderation. Extremes of diet are equally damaging in my book for long spells. And it is calorie restriction, not necessarily what you eat that contributes towards longevity. There have been several studies on animals from fruit flies to monkeys that show that the ones with restricted calories live a whopping 40% longer and are in better physical shape. You can restrict your calories on an omnivorous diet as well as a raw food one.

I hope you get better, but I also hope for your sake you learn to relax regarding food because stress isn't good for the body either. It is advice I could use but I think 10 years of being careful for modelling isn't going to be the end of the world. In understand you are probably not this cut up about it but are merely defending your way of life on a forum. But denial is not something that should enter a debate.

[luckitri]

I have been slipping to SAD a bit each day - even if is just in my salad - and I have the tire around the middle to prove it! I don't have to have that tire!

I have no excuse - so I'm gonna buy more naners!

[christiahall]

I don't see the point of arguing against eating raw food, when the purpose of this board is to support people who have made a decision to eat raw. Its not like the board is telling everyone else out there that they have to eat raw. Its for people who already raw to talk about it or for people who want to know so they can learn more. I didn't read much of the posts because it just sounded so negative. I don't even care what someone is saying if it feels negative.

[Apasaraw]

People will disagree with me, I'm sure.

I think if a healthy adult aims to take in absolutely no less than 1200-1500 calories a day, their metabolism will remain somewhat steady (declining with age, of course.....a growing teenager or athlete needs more than this, a sedentary older woman needs on the low end of it.)

Svadhyay, I'm with ya.

I have always felt best at about 1400 kcals a day. If I'm hiking alot I take in more. Lazy days, I don't have as much of an appetite. Raw keeps the nutrient intake high, the saturated/trans fat intake at nil and the satisfied tummy is a plus. Throw in all the good things that happen from finally getting all this great nutrition, including the body find it's ideal weight, the mind being clear and the happiness from feeling healthy and it's awesome.

I totally agree at the basic level, it's kcals in and kcals out...it's just the quality that counts. Of course each person's calorie requirements differ.

We are eating high quality foods...even at high raw the pluses outweigh the minuses....omg, I sound like my Asian mother. (she says "oway haf best qualeetee!")

[Apasaraw]

Luna, you know I actually go out of my way to meet friends at Disneyland because I'm going to have an awesome raw meal? :) They aim so hard to please everyone who visits...even around the park near Raiders of the Lost Ark or the Tiki room (pinapple!) there is fresh raw food galore. The hotel always feeds me well!

At D-World...you can have the rawest most beautiful dessert/food you can ever imagine on your day...just ask. You deserve it :)

[Nimmanu]

But why be 'beserk'? Half the fun in life is living without obsessing over anything. Being able to join in without thinking twice. And there is no way I can go to a restaurant and not have to think twice on raw.

...snip...

[Edited out a snarky post.]

I really wish you good luck with your drive to be as emaciated as you possibly can be.

In the meantime, you might want to reconsider telling people on a raw board that they should go out and enjoy themselves at restaurants and not follow the diet that they're here to follow. :rolleyes: I'm sure we're all grateful for your support, though, really...

[rawpriestess]

Okay, yet ONCE AGAIN, I am FORCED to let you know that


THIS IS A RAW FOOD SUPPORT BOARD
for people who have chosen to eat raw food, and wish to have support and information on that lifestyle.

if you don't want to eat raw food, fine, but don't talk about it here, if you want to discuss eating meat, or cooked food, -- fine, but don't discuss it here.

if you want to continue to have the privelege of posting your thoughts and ideas here, then please READ THE MISSION STATEMENT, and adhere to it.

I just hate having to remind anyone of this, but I'd rather remind you of this, than to have to delete and close down threads.

[luna99]

Luna, you know I actually go out of my way to meet friends at Disneyland because I'm going to have an awesome raw meal? :) They aim so hard to please everyone who visits...even around the park near Raiders of the Lost Ark or the Tiki room (pinapple!) there is fresh raw food galore. The hotel always feeds me well!

At D-World...you can have the rawest most beautiful dessert/food you can ever imagine on your day...just ask. You deserve it :)

apasaraw - yeah, I was considering doing this luau dinner because my mom has always wanted to eat there... but I think it's a lot of meat... so i'm reconsidering. I'll probably pick a place with lots of options and maybe call ahead of time and talk to them about my raw diet and see if they could prepare something really delish for me!

actually, tonight my fiance and I were talking about our honeymoon (we're going to aruba!) and he said something about making sure there was lots of fresh fruit for me or maybe we could go to the grocery store and buy some... and it was the sweetest thing he's said to me since I've gone raw! I think he realizes this isn't a passing fad or interest I'm going through and that raw foods really are important to me.

thanks again, I'll keep the idea of calling the disney people in mind!