Newbie And Weight

[SiennaInLondon]

Sorry, sorry in advance for some Newbie mistake I am bound to be making. Feel free to delete/move. Here is something I posted in the fasting forum but maybe this place would help too:

Ok this is my first post here as someone helpfully directed me here from thefashionspot.com. The first thing I want to clarify is that I don't have eating disorders etc etc but I am concerned with body aesthetics. The second is, weightloss is one of the most important motivators for me. It just happens to tie in with healthiness as I believe longevity is down to not having too much of the things we crave... food, money, property, sex, heat, oxygen etc etc (ok the last one is hard to limit but oxygen will be the thing that kills you... I forget the reasoning but it was once explained to me by some Natural Scientists at university!).

To start with, I am 5ft8.5" and I am fighting to stay at 53KG (116.6lbs). Before university I was skinny skinny and by the end of school I was not too skinny but not bad -52 (114.4) KG easy. But then the boredom and misery (I hated university) of academia led to lots of chocolate and cookies day in day out and I ballooned to 58KG (127.6lbs). Grotesque and uncomfortable to boot. I have very very small bones so it was all blubber.

My target is somewhere in the range of 48-50KGS. In my ideal BMI range? No. But aesthetics and health is something I believe can be balanced as I am 20 years old and a decade of being underweight is in my opinion worth it. Not to mention I was one of those people who was naturally underweight. I do NOT believe in starvation diets so I have been excercising like crazy and want to do this via diet and exercise. Problem is, my body is stuck at 53KG/54KG at this point. I have been on a year out from university since May 06 and have been pretty much excercising and trying to be healthy since.

My diet has been varying a lot in the period. Sometimes I believe in meat, other times I believe in vegetarianism. I have recently replaced sugar with fruit (mostly because I was addicted to sugar and it was messing up my skin but also because my dentist scared me with a filling) but apparently fruit sugar is as bad for my teeth and my body doesn't need that much sugar (?). Thing is, I need a lot more fruit than I needed chocolate to get rid of the cravings... oh and dates too. The thing I liked about it was I could eat fruit and nuts every time I felt hungry without feeling guilty. And the weight still came off.

Here are a few questions (I know I am probably going to be frustrated with silly 'be happy in your own skin' comments, but that is really not what I am asking here so I would ask you to leave those aside)

1) Some people have said that fasting puts on weight. This is obviously NOT what I want. I have tried about three, three day water fasts in the last year and a half and the weight never stays off for more than two months or so. I am I anomalous? Other people seem to be keeping the weight off in the fasting section of this site. Is it because I skip back to eating meat etc? It still shouldn't come back on so fast and all of a sudden?

2) Why do all the doctors say fasting is NOT the way to keep weight off and will cause all the weight to come back rapidly?

3) Is having a week long raw thing, and then one day a week where I can eat baguettes and steak inadvisable. I used to be a HUGE meat eater so giving up the taste of blood is turing out to be more difficult than my beloved refined sugar.

4) Oh and I tried a week of fruit/nut and I went back down to 53KG after having gone up to 55KG inexplicably (I thought it was my period but the weight didn't come off after my period was over) but the fruit/nut thing gave me a runny tummy. And then I gave in at a restaurant (restaurants are invariably where my resolve crumbles. Why did this give me a runny tummy? Too sudden? I have been gradually eliminating things from my diet since I took a year out of university and other than the ocassional day of bread or chocolate or dairy, all those things have been phased out. It surely isn't sudden?

5) Am I being too haphazard about this?

6) Oh and what is MC... Master Cleanse?

I miss the halcyon days of school when I was the skinniest girl in my year virtually and could eat any old crap!

[SiennaInLondon]

Oh and if it helps, I do about an hour and a half of cardio a day (1 hr treadmill, half an hour cyle) or an hour of spinning plus and hour of weights/lbt class.

Also I read an article which wikipedia directed me to by this guy who used to be a pure fructarian and was very against it for several reasons including the fact that he was less tolerant to things (the phrase he used was too pure in an impure world) and passed out from a routine injection. So getting a bit of variety is good no, even if you are raw most of the time?

[SiennaInLondon]

Oh and sorry sorry one more question, is fish better than meat for those occasional indescretions?

[eatyourbroccoli]

Oh and if it helps, I do about an hour and a half of cardio a day (1 hr treadmill, half an hour cyle) or an hour of spinning plus and hour of weights/lbt class.

Also I read an article which wikipedia directed me to by this guy who used to be a pure fructarian and was very against it for several reasons including the fact that he was less tolerant to things (the phrase he used was too pure in an impure world) and passed out from a routine injection. So getting a bit of variety is good no, even if you are raw most of the time?this may be why youre holding onto what you consider to be excess weight. if you push your body too hard, it reacting opposite to how you want it to will be the first sign that something isnt right. you need to be careful with over-pushing yourself..in instances like that it isnt a matter of "if" the bottom falls out beneath you, but "when." you also may be putting on muscle mass..which will cause you to be heavier than you were before. you also have to keep in mind that youre only 20 years old..those "old days of being so skinny" may well be gone for good now that your body is maturing into a womans body, and not a girls. im not quite sure how much thinner you want to be, as 5'8.5'' and 116 lbs may already be pushing "very unhealthy", depending on bone structure. i know that isnt something you want to hear, but it may be something you need to hear. perhaps it isnt you fighting against your weight so much as it is your body fighting against you..being underweight is one thing, specifically if you are 100% raw and underweight - then you are at least feeding yourself nutrient dense foods and giving your body a fighting chance - but being very very underweight with a poor, nutrient-less diet, is incredibly incredibly dangerous. ask me how i know.

as far as the frutarian, the raw diet is fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds, sprouted grains - and for good reason. you need a balanced, diverse diet in order to acquire all the nutrients your body needs. certainly there are people who live on nothing but fruit, and have for years, and are fine - but that doesnt work for everyone, as we all have different nutritional needs. if one whos body didnt agree with fruitarianism tried to become a fruitarian, his health would eventually bottom out. there is no positive nutrition from junk food whatsoever. i mean theres just..none. no way to make a justifiable excuse for it in regard to health.

fasting wont make you gain weight, it may not make you lose weight; what it will do is help your body heal if you have the right mindset and through that healing your body will adjust to your physically ideal weight. your body knows best with this sort of thing..trying to fight a weight that will keep you healthy in the name of fitting some socially-determined image of "beauty" is just about the least healthiest thing you can do for yourself..physically, mentally, and emotionally.

one thing that will keep "excess" weight on is food intolerances you may not even know you have. try keeping a journal for a bit, recording what you eat and how your body reacts immediately, after a few hours, and the next day. you may find that everytime you eat dairy, your stomach bloats; or everytime you eat cooked grains your eyes poof up. watch out for stuff like that, keep track of patterns, and then eliminate those items from your diet completely. best way to do this would be to go 100% raw, really.

doctors say fasting wont keep weight off because a lot of weight lost on a fast is water weight. once people end the fast and go back to their usual habit of junk food, the weight comes back.

as far as going 1 week raw, having a day of standard-"american"-diet (though youre in the UK it seems) food, and then returning to raw is a personal decision that nobody can make for you. what you may find is that after being raw for a week and then trying to eat SAD food, your body may reject it and you may get sick. these reactions may intensify the longer youre raw, or "high raw" (80% ish or more).

regarding fish vs meat..this is a vegan website and so discussion of meat or dairy, raw or cooked, doesnt occur..that isnt me or anyone being rude, its just the rules around here :)

[JGex]

im not quite sure how much thinner you want to be, as 5'8.5'' and 116 lbs may already be pushing "very unhealthy", depending on bone structure. i know that isnt something you want to hear, but it may be something you need to hear. perhaps it isnt you fighting against your weight so much as it is your body fighting against you..being underweight is one thing, specifically if you are 100% raw and underweight - then you are at least feeding yourself nutrient dense foods and giving your body a fighting chance - but being very very underweight with a poor, nutrient-less diet, is incredibly incredibly dangerous. ask me how i know.


I'm going to second this info.

[SiennaInLondon]

you also have to keep in mind that youre only 20 years old..those "old days of being so skinny" may well be gone for good now that your body is maturing into a womans body, and not a girls. im not quite sure how much thinner you want to be, as 5'8.5'' and 116 lbs may already be pushing "very unhealthy", depending on bone structure.

I was 18 when I went to university. Between 18 and 19, things don't suddenly change because of maturity. They change when there is an obvious lifestyle/diet change. At the moment I am not unhealthy at all. You can tell with women because the period remains and hair doesn't fall.


being underweight is one thing, specifically if you are 100% raw and underweight - then you are at least feeding yourself nutrient dense foods and giving your body a fighting chance - but being very very underweight with a poor, nutrient-less diet, is incredibly incredibly dangerous. ask me how i know.

That is interesting thankyou.


fasting wont make you gain weight, it may not make you lose weight;

Can anyone confirm this?


what it will do is help your body heal if you have the right mindset and through that healing your body will adjust to your physically ideal weight.

Is there such a thing as physically ideal weight? People in China are slimmer, very very slim, because of their diets. All my friends who have travelled to the far east for some time, lose buckets of weight even if they were slim to start with. It is just about training your body no? Do you ascribe to the B.M.I system?


one thing that will keep "excess" weight on is food intolerances you may not even know you have. try keeping a journal for a bit, recording what you eat and how your body reacts immediately, after a few hours, and the next day. you may find that everytime you eat dairy, your stomach bloats;

White bread makes me bloat like crazy. Dairy i avoid because I don't believe in it and I don't miss it.


doctors say fasting wont keep weight off because a lot of weight lost on a fast is water weight. once people end the fast and go back to their usual habit of junk food, the weight comes back.

Does anyone know the science for this? Why do we lose water when we are still drinking?


as far as going 1 week raw, having a day of standard-"american"-diet (though youre in the UK it seems) food, and then returning to raw is a personal decision that nobody can make for you. what you may find is that after being raw for a week and then trying to eat SAD food, your body may reject it and you may get sick. these reactions may intensify the longer youre raw, or "high raw" (80% ish or more).

Thanks! I'll watch out for the reactions.


regarding fish vs meat..this is a vegan website and so discussion of meat or dairy, raw or cooked, doesnt occur..that isnt me or anyone being rude, its just the rules around here :)

No prob. Thankyou


Anyone have any info on if there is such a thing as too much fruit for the body and also for teeth health? Is the raw attempt the thing that gave me a runny tummy or could it have been coincidental.

[fruitycutie]

More stuff you don't want to hear.

I actually relate to you a lot. I'm 21 and have pretty much been underweight my entire life. I'm in the process of returning to raw after a year or two of SAD, but not for weight related reasons. I also have a ridiculously small bone structure. But my friends and strangers can't seem to tell the difference of me at 110 or me at 130 (I'm 5'8"), because of having a small bone structure! And yes, the feeling of having fat on your body is different and might feel uncomfortable for a while, but we're women. We're supposed to have fat, and if you find the emaciated celebrities and models attractive.. that's a product of a sick culture and prolific media, and likely to lead to an eating disorder.

Have you read about fairly "primitive" areas and people that receive TV? Their body image plummets! It's so crazy, and since we're born into it, it's difficult to even realize it's crazy.

The reason people probably won't tell you what you want to hear here, is because this forum is about physical and mental health; overall well being. You're already underweight and asking for advice on losing more. This is not a balance of aesthics and health. Which of those is more important to you? Having a balance of the two is absolutely possible, but a healthy weight is aesthetically attractive. I bet you're a total cutie at a healthy weight! That's not to say that I think BMI ranges are for everyone, but to say that if you have to exercise that much to maintain a weight that is generally considered underweight or are choosing a diet mostly for weight loss.. that isn't healthy.

I'm sorry if this came off as preachy. If it did, it's only because I can relate and need to say what I did both for you and to remind me.

:o

As far as fasting- I've been on numerous fasts and have never gained weight. I usually lose weight and then close to all of it comes back on. I've found it most useful to cleanse before changes in diet.

I'd agree that most doctors say fasting causes weight gain because people tend to binge afterwards, and usually on junky foods.

I personally wouldn't do raw and one day cooked, but every body is different! It might work for you, but I'd guess you'd start to like cooked food less :D

I've found that it takes a bit longer than a week to adjust to the increase in fiber, and my tummy gets runny during that adjusting period too. It gets worse before it gets better!

I'm not sure what you mean my haphzardous? And I don't know anything about the MC, but plenty of people here do, so you'll definitely get an answer!

<3

[SiennaInLondon]

Good to know about the tummy. Increase in fiber? That makes sense although it feels like fiber is reduced because everything goes so fast through you. I guess I don't need to take psyllium husks to increase my fiber then?

Haphazard in terms of not really having a planned raw food regime and just playing it by ear.

So what do raw fooders eat other than fruit and nuts. I am so incredibly bored of fruit and nuts at this point. I think I feel a little sick because of it.

[SiennaInLondon]

You're already underweight and asking for advice on losing more. This is not a balance of aesthics and health. Which of those is more important to you? Having a balance of the two is absolutely possible, but a healthy weight is aesthetically attractive.

Aesthetics are more important to me. I model and the change of body is something I want to come to terms with healthily... mainly because the aesthetic implications of starving oneself are scarier to me than the biological implications (falling hair/teeth/losing height from low bone density). But as you say, a balance of the two is possible. Now Snejana Onopka or whatever other skinny model is du jour, is probably small boned and I don't think she is doing too much long term damage to herself. It is not what they don't put in their mouths that tends to kill models, it is drugs and the lifestyle.

[SiennaInLondon]

Oh and the other advantage I am finding with this lifestyle is that I cannot cook and I don't really like hot food (even if it was cooked, I would wait for it to cool) so it is easier for me. But yes, non fruit/nut options would be nice. Spinach is amazing... I adore the stuff but I shall probably tire of that too.

[fruitycutie]

Hehe, definitely don't need to add fiber! It's running through you because of the fiber..

I get bored of fruitarian stuff too, and I don't think it's as well balanced as just raw. What I do, is stick to mono fruitarian many days, and on days that I'm food bored or feel like I need something else, I have a nice spinach salad or whatever veggies you like. If I really need a treat, I make some kind of gourmet type dehydrated thing. I never really tire of smoothies- there are so many possibilities!

Snejana Onopka surely had small bones, but daaaamn. I'd be amazed if she hasn't taken a few years off her life or won't have serious complications later. The sooner in life that we start taking care of ourselves, the better, because how you treat yourself now is an investment in what body/health you'll have later. Maybe as an aesthetics/health balance you should have fairly regular bloodwork and bone density checks? That would make me worry less about you ;)

Heehee, the first time I went raw and then fruitarian, a portion of the reason was I hated cooking and was food-preparation lazy.

Oh, and as far as it being haphzardous, I'm a huge advocator of just listening to your body and letting it tell you what it needs. Maybe keep a vague plan in your head? But I don't think it's necessary to have it really planned out. Well, it's not for me, but you'll have to find what works for you!

[trinity082482]

What you may find is that after being raw for a week and then trying to eat SAD food, your body may reject it and you may get sick.

This happens to me, no matter how many times I slip up. I guess I should stop slipping up. :rolleyes:

[SiennaInLondon]

Hehe, definitely don't need to add fiber! It's running through you because of the fiber..

I get bored of fruitarian stuff too, and I don't think it's as well balanced as just raw. What I do, is stick to mono fruitarian many days, and on days that I'm food bored or feel like I need something else, I have a nice spinach salad or whatever veggies you like. If I really need a treat, I make some kind of gourmet type dehydrated thing. I never really tire of smoothies- there are so many possibilities!

Snejana Onopka surely had small bones, but daaaamn. I'd be amazed if she hasn't taken a few years off her life or won't have serious complications later. The sooner in life that we start taking care of ourselves, the better, because how you treat yourself now is an investment in what body/health you'll have later. Maybe as an aesthetics/health balance you should have fairly regular bloodwork and bone density checks? That would make me worry less about you ;)

Heehee, the first time I went raw and then fruitarian, a portion of the reason was I hated cooking and was food-preparation lazy.

Oh, and as far as it being haphzardous, I'm a huge advocator of just listening to your body and letting it tell you what it needs. Maybe keep a vague plan in your head? But I don't think it's necessary to have it really planned out. Well, it's not for me, but you'll have to find what works for you!

Thanks Fruitie, you've been super helpful! I had no idea that they could go bone density checks on you. Although Americans tend to be very advanced with these things so I'll have to find a private clinic or something.

Yes raw is great for lazy people ;)

[startootsie]

Hello!

Wow, I can relate here too!

I don't know if you realize how serious this is. What you do now will effect your entire life.

I went through a time when I over exercised and ate small meals, and of course I did not think I had an eating disorder. Cause I ate! I just worked it all off! And same as what you are describing, I was very thin and then I hit more puberty and started to get a little curves. But I didn't really like them, I liked my childish body better. So, I started to exercise, and exercise mroe and mroe, and harder and harder. I wouldn't give up food, because I love it so much! So I sweated it off. Well I got down to 102 lbs at 5'8, and I had to sruggle to stay there, man, my body did not like it! After a little while I realized that I was in deeper then in deeper then I thought. I started to forget things so fast, I was obbsessed with weight and food and exercising and that was all that I thought about. I had to sleep 10-12 hours a night and I was still exhausted. I wasn't at 102 lbs for long, cause my body would not let me. Well, my family saw what I was doing to myself, but they didn't know how to break it to me, cause telling me to eat mroe and not exercise so much was not convincing me. They gave me terrible eating disorder stories to read, when I read these stories...I couldn't believe it! I never connected myself to having an eating or exercising disorder. But I was doing the same things that these girls in the stories were doing! Any, to make a long story short I realized that I was hurting myself. And I tried to gain some weight. Welll, now I am 122-125 lbs at 5 8', way healthier, I actaully have energy. But I had to deal with all of the damage that I caused. And you know what? None of the effects really showed up until a while. My hair fell out, I injured myself from over-exercising and I am laying in bed right now healing myself. I actaully thought for a while that I had a weight problem, but I don't. I actaully have a very easy time being thin. Cause I let my body go to it's ideal weight. I have no idea what else I hurt. But my point is, I had to deal with this. It's not like it just passes you by. So now, my hair is not falling out. I am healthy. I did loose about 3/4 of my hair though. It was and still is a big lesson for me.

You might want to research exercise obbsession, eating disorders, and excessive exercise.

I just thought I would share! I don't know if you are ready to hear this, but I hope it helps some!

I wish you the best!

Create a day of love and light!

Christianna

[SiennaInLondon]

Hmmm. But I don't have the wilpower to not eat... and I by no means burn it all off. Therefore I don't think I am in the same situation as you.

How come people go backpacking in like India or Thailand and lose absurd amounts of weight even if they were already thin then? They must be doing something right because as far as I know, none of them exercise or diet whilst on holiday.

[SiennaInLondon]

Oh and I'd like to add that my energy is better than it has ever been. At university, on cupcakes and misery and no exercise, I slept 12 hours a night and got no work done. At school I was perpetually exhausted eating whatever I wanted and not working out. NOW, I can survive on 8 hours sleep which is amazing for me.

[Nectarine]

What you may find is that after being raw for a week and then trying to eat SAD food, your body may reject it and you may get sick.



This happens to me, no matter how many times I slip up. I guess I should stop slipping up.

Same here. I don't think my body would react so negatively with foods I have recently given up, such as (cooked) brown rice or pasta which are relatively healthy I guess, but if I were to eat meat, I think I would be violently sick. I mean, when I do my shopping, and I pass shops in the mall where they are cooking meat, I have to step up the pace and pass them quickly due to meat-aroma induced nausea.

[jaurequi]

In my opinion, fasts should not be used as a tool to lose weight: that is abusing fasting. Intentional fasting should be done on the advice of, and preferably under the guidance of, a qualified doctor and it should be done for a specific health reason, for healing.
Using it as a weightloss tool, usually just results in yo-yo'ing, which is extremely damaging to the body, accelerates aging (amongst other things), and, eventually, it ends up making it harder and harder to lose weight.

Eat your fill of raw vegetables, with emphasis on cruciferous, if you want to lose weight (green smoothies, lots of variety of greens in salads with a healthy dressing), and fruit.
Prepare recipes to satisfy whatever cravings surface.

Best,

[startootsie]

Hmmm. But I don't have the wilpower to not eat... and I by no means burn it all off. Therefore I don't think I am in the same situation as you.

How come people go backpacking in like India or Thailand and lose absurd amounts of weight even if they were already thin then? They must be doing something right because as far as I know, none of them exercise or diet whilst on holiday.


Hello agian!

Well, maybe you didn't hear me right? I exercised for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours a day. And I ate. If you are doing an hour on the treadmill and a half and hour on the bike that is a lot of cardio! I mean, you don't seem to be training for anything, are you? I had to eat too, I loved food an still do. Thats why I exercised more. If you are exercising for that long, you are probably burning most of it off. Also, when I didn't work out, I was pooped, and then to much exercise burnt me out too. There is a balance!

My advise is to just resaerch it. Do you always think about food and exercising?

On the people back packing. I think it has a lot to do with mind set too.

I don't mean to come down on you. I just hope I can help you!

Create a day of love and happiness!

Christianna

[SiennaInLondon]

I don't mean to come down on you. I just hope I can help you!

Create a day of love and happiness!

Christianna

Oh not at all, information can't be anything but helpful. I am of the belief that you can do anything in the world without compromising too much else if you are prepared to put in the time and effort. The disease of the modern world is wanting too much too soon. If I lost weight fast, I would worry. But if I don't lose the remaining 5 kgs in a year, I would worry too.

[startootsie]

Oh not at all, information can't be anything but helpful. I am of the belief that you can do anything in the world without compromising too much else if you are prepared to put in the time and effort. The disease of the modern world is wanting too much too soon. If I lost weight fast, I would worry. But if I don't lose the remaining 5 kgs in a year, I would worry too.

Hello!

I'm not exactly sure what you mean...Why do you want to loose weight? I am just curious? Are you happy with yourself and your body?

I will just tell you from my own experience that if people around you are telling you things, or seeing that you might be going to far or not. I suggest just listen to what they say even if you don't want to follow it.

I hope you have a great day!

We all have our own lessons we need to learn.

One more thing, greens and veggies, meaning salads heal. At least I have heard that a lot.

Create a day of love and peace!

Christianna

[misslinda]

This comes up every now and then here......


RAW eating is not about controlling your body.....we cannot dictate where our bodies will be in terms of weight--I know that sounds horrible--even I get a little disintended too ;)

Stayinlondon, I read that you metioned many posts ago that [you] believe that aesthetics is MORE imortant :confused: ....that right there IS twisted thinking in terms of health. Why is aesthetics more important?

Here is something to think about, those who are underweight, usually fast to resolve that issue. Then they gain healthy weight.......again, that is a very individual determination. I'm not saying that you need to gain weight but in light of saying aesthetics is more important, I really do think you may have some masked issues about body image perhaps not neccessarily an eating disorder but a weakness??? I would ponder. Whether one does it thru starving or one does it thru controlling raw eating......

The reason your friends are losing weight on backpacking to china or thailand, is because they are much more active than they have been. Like you stated, they never dieted or exercised. They don't eat as much b/c they are usually busy sight seeing...........when people are back home, they are having their usual starbucks,fast food,processed foods,snacks here and there etc.

btw, it's not always drugs, alot of models and everyday people starve themselves to be thin so it is about what they don't put in their mouths too.......


some thoughts to think about.

;)

[Nectarine]

I disagree that eating raw, or the raw lifestyle, is not about control...of one's body, or of one's life as a whole. On the contrary, if one gives this forum even a cursory look (fasting, positive-thinking and attitude, preferences for organic produce etc etc) they will see that the main reason people switch to raw is to achieve good health in one, some, or all of it's various dimensions (physical, mental etc), and to thus be equipped to live and enjoy their lives to the fullest. They are tailoring their lives through, beginning with, and in conjunction with, optimal health. That, by definition, is a form of (attempted) control, and we are ALL doing it, even though, in some cases, the results may not always be to one's complete satisfaction.

Peace and light! :cool:

[SiennaInLondon]

Thanks Nectarine. That is partly what I meant but your were far more eloquent than I. And the results are limited by certain things like bone structure etc, but in terms of the fat a body carries, I am pretty sure (providing you don't damage your body by starvation or whatever) you can train a body to stay at a certain fat level. It is about lifestyle not about the myth of 'optimum weight'. If you take a person and put them in the far east or something they will lose weight. It is the same vice versa. When my Brazilian friend or my French friend or my Japanese friend came to London, the put on a significant amount of weight.

[startootsie]

Thanks Nectarine. That is partly what I meant but your were far more eloquent than I. And the results are limited by certain things like bone structure etc, but in terms of the fat a body carries, I am pretty sure (providing you don't damage your body by starvation or whatever) you can train a body to stay at a certain fat level. It is about lifestyle not about the myth of 'optimum weight'. If you take a person and put them in the far east or something they will lose weight. It is the same vice versa. When my Brazilian friend or my French friend or my Japanese friend came to London, the put on a significant amount of weight.

It's probably about what they eat and do in different counrtys.

If you eat good and have a alkinline body then your body wouldn't get fat, cause acid creates fat and acid is toxic. Toxic waste can equal weight. That's just my opinion. Clease, clean out the acid in your body. And I do believe that your body has an optimum weight, and it can find it when you eat foods that heal and help your body. And of course your lifestyle has a lot to do with it, how you live, how you treat yourself. And emotions.

Create a day of love and light!

Christianna

[SiennaInLondon]

VERY interesting about the acidity startootsie! I am going to start on wheatgrass shots even though they are vile!