View Full Version : Trying to Make it All Make Sense...
01-06-2007, 09:49 PM
I'm new here and new to being raw. I've been eating mostly (80-90%) raw (going by alissa's book and dvd) for the last three weeks and have gone 100% to the best of my knowledge in the last two days. So far I've had a myriad of symptoms ranging from: nausea, headache, fatigue, body aches, gas, loose and frequent stools, phlegm in my throat, sore throat, acne, crankiness, vivid dreams, hot flashes, and not to mention the worst hangover I've ever had after one glass of champagne on New Year's Eve!
But that's not all... I've also had good symptoms: I'm warmer. It doesn't seem like I have to wear as heavy a coat or take as warm a shower as I used to. I feel happier most of the time. I have more energy, but it seems to come and go. Actually, all the symptoms (good and bad) seem to come and go. I've been pretty sick for the last five years with numerous complaints (actually my story is very similar to Shelly's at www.rawandjuicy.com) and I feel better than normal, so the symptoms are no big deal.
I'm just wondering if this is normal "detox" stuff? And does it matter where I break out? I mean, for instance, if I were to break out over one of my kidneys, does that indicate I have a problem with a kidney or is that more of a skin thing? I'm also looking forward to some weight loss since I'm overweight and have been since I was on the depo shot and from reading the online stories, I thought I would have at least lost a little by now. Unfortunately, I haven't. I haven't gained any (which is a miracle for me to get throught the holidays and my birthday without gaining anything!), but I'm wondering if I should be concerned? Is it possible that maybe I just won't start losing until I've detoxed a bit or been 100% for a while? I'm also wondering about needing less sleep... I'm the type of person who has to get at least 9 hours or they can't function. I've read that can change to where a person needs a lot less sleep. Any idea how long it takes to see improvement in these areas?
I'm really curious about all this stuff and I would sure appreciate any input you all could give me. Thanks!
01-06-2007, 11:17 PM
You are doing great! See my join date? I am still transitioning. I was trying to be all raw but now I am trying to keep my detox under control so I accept that in order to keep my job I need to stay functional and am not attempting 100% every day.
In my first week I had a really good part of one day. I got a glimpse of how good I could be with raw. I have been in detox ever since. I have never seen any information that addresses my level of detox - that went into a healing crisis for lack of a better term.
This a.m. I woke up ill with swollen glands and just a mess. I try to reassure myself that I won't catch everything that has been going around me at work because I am raw. Then I remember that I am not 100% so I wonder. I did alot of lemon juice and green juices today and feel better. The toxins like to come out when you're sleeping though cause then the body is free to do its good work.
I read somewhere that for every decade SAD you will have about a year of raw detox. Just a rough rule of thumb. You know how it is. Some people are really abusive to their bodies and seem to never suffer for it. Perhaps they suffer later in life whereas those of us who are more sensitive just suffer all along - JUST JOKING! Those of us who are more sensitive may have wonderful old ages because we are forced to be kind to our bodies younger. Burn the candle at both ends - no more candle! Just burn it normal and you have light for a long time.
I am afraid to share my story because I don't want to scare you but yes - when I was having obvious kidney problem I had a break-out on my back over the bad kidney for a couple of months! Of course the doctors don't acknowledge any relation - none of them even let me talk enough to tell them! I don't know but I think that the kidneys and liver do have a big job and raw helps them to do it better. . . so it is probably normal to have these symptoms. If you find more in-depth information about raw detox and healing crisis let me know. Most of the stuff I found read like it was all from the same short book but on different sites.
Detox can make you more tired. Give your body the rest it needs. I have experienced the less sleep part. Then the weight loss kicked in. (After I quit looking for it of course.) With the weight loss I figure the toxins in my tissues overwhelmed my kidney and liver so then I needed more sleep.
01-07-2007, 09:25 PM
Wow. Thank you so much for all the info. I'm learning so much just from lurking here.
Tonight I've got a terrible headache, so I'm not going to be on long, but I'm sure I'll be back with tons of questions.
BTW, I tried Alissa's raw sushi recipe tonight and loved it!
Oh, one more thing, do you know of a good place where I can get low priced organic raw nuts and nut butters online?
01-07-2007, 09:49 PM
Thank you for sharing that info Luckitri. I have been having some detox symptoms the last week too that I may have mistaken for a common cold.
01-31-2007, 11:37 PM
I'm posting on this thread again because I'm still having trouble. A lot of trouble. At first, I figured that it was my monthly making things more difficult, but it seems to be more than that. I'm mostly wondering how long detox is supposed to last? I've been reading about the ups and downs and I seem to be mostly down. Alissa's book makes detox seem like it's no big deal, but it's definitely turned my world upside down for a few weeks now. I feel terrible and I'm having a hard time feeling good about it because it seems like it's lasting forever and the cravings are so hard to deal with.
I got a colonic the other day and that seemed to help a bit, but now it's almost like I'm detoxing harder. I feel like I have the flu BIG TIME and I'm having a really hard time with food textures. Yesterday, I made the broccoli soup from Alissa's book and became almost instantly nauseated from the texture and then today, my boyfriend had it for lunch. I couldn't be within ten feet of him because the smell was enough to turn my stomach. I'm resting and trying to do my best to stay raw, but it's so difficult when I feel so bad all the time.
I expected my detox to be tough because I've been very ill and on medications (psych meds and BC) for a very long time now, but I really didn't expect it to be this tough. I guess I could use some encouragement because I feel like I'm getting all the icky stuff, but have yet to see any of the benefits that my mom and boyfriend saw almost immediately. Also, I'm really confused because the lady who did my colonic told me that I shouldn't eat fruit because I have a problem with candida and that I should follow the body ecology diet that she teaches. Then I come on here and the posts say that I shouldn't have to worry about eating fruit. All this information plus the crazy emotional detox I'm going through really have my head whirling.
It's embarrassing to cry all the time with little or no provocation. I feel like I'm that caricature of a pregnant woman with crazy cravings who cries at every commercial and throws up on a dime. And I know I'm not pregnant. For certain. Is it just excess estrogen from all the bad birth control I was on? I have been on the pill for period problems for almost 13 years and two of those years I was on the depo shot. I know my detox should be hard, but right now it feels too hard.
Sorry to be a big whiner. I just admire all the success you all have had here on the board and would like a little of my own. I appreciate any insight or encouragment you all can give me. Thanks so much.
01-31-2007, 11:39 PM
I just wanted to mention that I stopped all the meds I was on when I started going raw; birth control included.
02-01-2007, 09:11 AM
Red Orchid, did you stop the meds all at once, or did you ease off of them? If you stopped all at once, your detox is more than raw food, it's also withdrawal symps from the psych meds. Those symptoms can last up to 8 weeks from what I understand. You should never ever just stop taking psych meds. You should always wean yourself off. Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist to discuss your current state? Not necessarily to go back on the meds, but to have someone monitoring you?
I'm new at this so have no info re: normal vs abnormal detox and such, but I wish you the best of luck.
02-01-2007, 10:23 AM
I'm so sorry you aren't feeling well! I know that is very difficult when you feel you are eating the best that you can! Hang in there!! You are doing great. Your body is doing lots and lots of cleansing. It is grateful for the opportunity to clean out those old toxins and is taking full advantage of it. I know it's hard, but stick with it and you will be so glad that you did. Some people's detox is relatively symptom free and some people really suffer. Either way, it's important to trust the wisdom of our bodies and that eating a natural, whole foods diet is not going to hurt, it is helping us.
Wishing you all the best,
02-01-2007, 11:06 AM
Oh, wow, well, yes, going off those drugs would make you ill whether you went raw or not. You are experiencing major detoxification. I would suggest you stick with it. Would you want to start all over and go through this again? You're in the throes of it now, but you're closer to the end than you were 3 weeks ago, two weeks ago, and yesterday. Don't self sabotage. You'll never again be this close to the end, right?
This should be a real solid indicator to you just how incredibly toxic your body has been. You need to see it that way.
Stick with it, darlin.'
02-01-2007, 12:37 PM
I'm new here and new to being raw. I've been eating mostly (80-90%) raw (going by alissa's book and dvd) for the last three weeks and have gone 100% to the best of my knowledge in the last two days.
I would give it a little time. I've always heard that the difference between high raw and 100% raw was phenomenal. So perhaps your body has been just on the edge of detoxing for the time you've been high raw, and now it's saying WHOOPEEE!!! Freedom!!! :) Be gentle on yourself, and rest, get plenty of sleep, fresh air, exercise (sweating is a fantastic way to aid the detox process), try dry skin brushing every morning before your shower, eat an easily digestible breakfast like fruit or smoothies. Your body needs your help right now to right all the wrongs. Take care of you, and don't give up!! :)
02-01-2007, 12:51 PM
Please remember that we all detox differently and at our own pace.
Detox doesn't HAVE to be horrible, but look at it this way.
you have X amount of gunk in your system, if you were cleaning your home, you would want it out as fast as possible, so you scrub and scrape and use alot of effort, and maybe tire yourself out, just to get the top layer, the more gunky your home is, the harder it is to get it all out, and the more you have to work.
you need the RIGHT amount of cleaners, scrubers, time, energy etc.
So, it takes all of that to get out that gunk. now you CAN == NOT scrub, and simply rub with a fine cloth, but it takes ALOT more time, and effort, but you may not get as tired in one or two days, or even weeks, or you CAN get a blasting gun in there, and ruin your entire house,
it just depends on how fast you want it all outta' there, and how much energy you want to expend, and for how long? etc.
it's the same with the gunk/toxicity in your body.
so if you are having horrible detox symptoms, you may wish to go a little slower, (I don't mean eating cooked here) I mean, taking better care of yourself, take some time off work, sleep, get colonics, do enemas, (not something I do, but I hear it works REALLY well to release the gunk)
take probiotics, take enzyme suppliments, fast, do a fruit juice only -- one day each week, etc.
there are many ways to lighten your load, and make detox not quite so horrible.
I've been through countless detox, and I LOVE it, because I WELCOME those headaches, and achy muscles and joints, those sleepless nights, and sleeping all day times, I EMBRACE that starving feeling, and that kind of pale washed out skin and hair, BECAUSE, I KNOW it will end SOONLY
and then I will start to feel ABSOLUTELY MARVELOUS AGAIN in no time.
So, it is up to you, but I say eat 100% RAW 100% of the time, and rest rest rest and dry SAUNA will speed up that detox and keep MOST of those symptoms away,
100% raw food 100% of the time
life is grand! and YOU are part of it, please enjoy the process!
02-03-2007, 02:07 PM
Thank you so much luckitri, chilove, jaurequi, RawVee, and rawpriestess!!!!
Whew! It's been an exhausting few days. I've been reading your posts, but just haven't felt good enough to reply until today. I do seem to be feeling better. It's strange because (possible TMI here) my period was due about a week ago and I had a bit of spotting, but that's happened before and I figured that was all it was gonna do and then yesterday it hit me full force and it was awful, but today I'm feeling better. I still have the normal cramps and stuff but it isn't horrible like it's been in the past. I don't know what that might have to do with detox, but they do seem interconnected, at least for me.
I wanted to also mention that I did taper off my psych meds under the supervision of my doctor. She didn't seem to think that I would have a problem, but she's not really familiar with raw food.
I appreciate all the advice and concern. It's nice to know that I've got other raw fooders looking out for me. Detox seems to be a unique and, at least for me, difficult experience. I've decided to save up to get a few colonics because I think that will help and I've been drinking lots more water and sleeping tons. It's strange because my body feels achy and bad, but my mind feels awake and bored, so it's hard to know if I should rest or try to do something a bit more challenging. I guess I'll learn as I go...
Thank you all so much for helping me through this!!
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