Blood Clot in leg and other rantings

[Coriander74]

Hello my dearests, it's been so long since I've been posting here, or even reading the threads... I have missed all of you.

I've also missed Raw.

December 15th I admitted myself to the hospital Emergency Room with excruciating pains in my left calf. After an ultrasound and a short doctor's visit, I was shown to have a Deep Vein Thrombosis, a.k.a. blood clot in the back of my left calf. I was hospitalized for 4 nights, and administered anti-coagulants via my IV line. I was also placed on Coumadin, which is a medication for treating the blood and preventing the clot from growing.

The hospital "vegan" menu was laughable, with one item out of 15 actually "vegan". I requested extra salads and fruit and was visited by the Dietician who was questioning my eating habits. (They keep track of what you order and what you eat.) I lost 4 pounds that stay simply because I wasn't hungry, I was marginally depressed, but who wouldn't have been.

After I was released, I was put on Coumadin at home. I was told so many things ... including the point that I would have to change my diet, at least temporarily. Cranberries interact with it. Anything leafy and green interacts with it. Anything involving garlic, ginger, Vitamin K, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, etc... interacts with the medicine. Simply put, no salads, no supplements, no herbs, no exercise (until I'm cleared of this clot), and no fresh cranberry juice which I had grown to love. The list goes on!!!

If there is anyone in this forum who has been on Coumadin/Warfarin, and who has come out of it successfully and able to get back to Raw, please let me know. Please feel free to email me personally at coriander74@hotmail.com. I've been exceedingly frustrated and very tired, due to the medication itself plus my lack of ability to eat correctly and exercise.

Thanks so much in advance, and I hope all of you had a blessed holiday season.

[adrienne]

It is great to hear from you C74. I am so sorry to hear of your situation and I feel your fustration. I have no experience with coumadin, so I cannot help. But I can offer support and send super positive healing energy your way and let you know that this time will pass and you WILL get to a place of great health. One question though, is the blood clot you had gone? and if it is, how long to they want you to be on the coumadin? just wondering b/c my non-medical feeling is that if they want you to be on coumadin for purely preventative reasons you may want to look into other options. not to say just go off it b/c for sure you don't want to deal with another clot but see what the alternatives are and go with what feels right to you. Also, look at what was going on with you at the time you had all that pain b/c so often our emotions correlate with a physical symptom. I hope my ramblings are ok :)
Please let us know what happens and how you are. I'm sure you will find some great info and support here.
Love and Abundant Health to you in 2007!
Adrienne

[misslinda]

Coriander74, you are so in my thoughts,heart and prayers!

* warm smiles and hugs *

Sounds like some things mentioned were blood thinning herbs etc but I suppose they are not wanting anything to interfere with absorption of the meds? I've never bee on these meds but here is my 2 cent suggestion.

I dont' see why not having some green/fruit smoothies would hurt....soft and digestible during this healing time for you...



Do you have anyone to give you stimulating massages to keep blood flow even? Feet massage and knees......

Dandelion root tea is an excellent blood purifier/thinner.

You will be constantly thought of here....rest rest rest :) :) :)

[Rawkinlocs]

Hi and welcome back Corriander!

Wow...I'm sorry to hear about your blood clot AND the situation with the diet mixing with the meds...bummer. I don't have advice for you either (sorry) but hopefully someone will come along who has had experience in this area.

But the list (as posted) doesn't seem too long unless there are lots more that you didn't list here...I mean, you could get away with simply eating the raw foods that ARE okay...fruit (other than cranberries)? nuts? ...just until you heal. Perhaps make a list of all the fruits and veggies that DON'T interact with the meds and just eat those (?)

Hope you're all better soon!

[Sharon in Colorado]

Hey Corinne, nice to see you back here!

I'm so sorry to hear about what happened, that sounds really scary! What did the nutritionist say about the diet anyway?

Where you raw when you got the blood clot? Just curious.

What was your diet like at the time?

[michigan roman]

sorry to hear about your prob , hope your feelin better :D .

and if youve never heard pineapple is a blood thinner according
to some people .

goodday :)

ps - i think cayene also promotes circulation .

[PATH301]

Hey C74,
Sorry to hear what happened to you :o

michigan roman - mentioned:

ps - i think cayene also promotes circulation
Here's some great info to go along with what michigan roman said.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cayenne.htm
hope this helps :D

[dreamrawalwz]

i'm not sure the specifics, but my dad went on a blood thinner for something and the doctors told him not to eat a specific food or take vitamin E b/c it "interacts" but actually, it does the exact same thing, but naturally. if he had taken both it would thin his blood too much. I can find out for you tomorrow if you'd like.

I'm sorry to hear about the situation. I hope you feel better soon!

[Rawzula]

Coriander74,

I found some links online that may be of help to you. I couldn't find anything about Raw Foodists that have taken Coumadin/Warfarin. All the links I went through say that eating a vegan diet increase their health risks.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061104133126AA574no

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060914172004AAxwq3V

http://www.drmhayden.com/PDF/Dietary%20Considerations%20in%20Coumadin.pdf

http://doiop.com/z8977a

www.drgourmet.com/warfarin/index.shtml

I hope you feel better soon:).

[michigan roman]

once again youve supplied a very informative web site path301 .

that dr at shirleys wellness cafe cure for heart attack is great
first aid knowledge , i'll def try always remembering that info .

in case anyone didnt read the cure its a tsp of cayenne pepper in a cup
of warm/hot water .

[Pierre]

Cori!! Glad to see you!!!

I have no experience with those drugs, but I hope you can talk some sense into that doctor - and that dietician. I don't know how I'd live with no leafy greens for an extended time.

Drop by at LHC too :)

[Coriander74]

Thank you all so much for your responses and good wishes! *hugs hugs*

I'm to have another ultrasound soon to determine whether or not the clot still exists. If it's gone, then I'm definitely talking to my (holistic) doctor about the possibility of natural RAW blood thinners. This medication is messing my head up. If need be, I'll keep my greenage to a minimum but I tell you what, I miss being Raw!

I was asked what my diet was like at the time. I was eating a ton of apples, and juicing quite a bit, with TONS of greens in the juice/smoothies. As usual, I was more of a fruitarian, but I felt great. The one thing that they've pegged it on is that I went back on Birth Control (the pill) two months ago in ... well, in preparation for my sweetheart's arrival. I've never had a problem in the past with the Pill, however this time, bingo. Laid up in a hospital for a week LOL. So we're going to try other non-hormonal options. :o

Thank you for the links, the information, and everything you all have supplied in such a short time. I'm bookmarking everything!

[Sharon in Colorado]

I was on the mini pill years ago and my already high cholesterol went up about 100 points. So that was the end of it for me.

Wow - sounds like your diet was so clean too. Makes me wonder if something was trying to make its way out and got caught on the way - sounds like a strange theory but just made me think how could that possibly happen with your level of health.

[Rawzula]

I saw a website that says that Coumadin was originally used...for rat poison:eek:!

http://www.fvleiden.org/ask/26.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin

http://www.rxlist.com/rxboard/coumadin.pl?read=312

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006032700375
:eek::eek::eek:!

Coriander's diet was so clean...how could something like this happen?

[Coriander74]

I saw a website that says that Coumadin was originally used...for rat poison:eek:!
Coriander's diet was so clean...how could something like this happen?


I don't know how it could have happened but it did, and the only thing is moving on from here :) I'm going to start researching a true list of the things I CAN have instead of focusing on the things I can't. Law of Attraction, optimism and all that, right?

RAT POISON??????? lol the things that pharmaceutical companies will give us. I admit, I'm happy to have had the opportunity to get help from "mental meds" but as I've stated in journals etc, I want off.

Much Love to you all!

[LightLover]

Hi Coriander, special wishes to you for 2007!

Maybe ask your specialist where the sources/studies of his/her long list with forbidden products are to be found (a book, a publication, on internet..).
Or are they forced to say this?
Seems to be very very long, this list

About the rat poison: I just have read that fluor was a by-product of the atom-industry and they where happy to sell it to the people (in the drinkwater) instead of paying for throwing away.


LL

[Drawn]

I am really sorry you have DVT. I have had three pulmonary embolisms in my life and two were directly related to DVTs. My doctors said that I could have easily died from any one of the three. I would recommend taking their advice and the meds for now. The good news is that they believe the cause of yours is the pill and therefore easily solved once your clot dissolves. They might want you to be on the medication for 6 months to a year; that's common with a single blood clot. Unfortunately, mine is genetic and I will have to be on coumadin for life.

The encouraging news is that once they are sure your clot has dissolved they might be able to work with your diet. I am on coumadin and my last couple of doctors were very willing to work with my higher than average green diet. The problem with greens is that they are high in K, a coagulant, which counteracts the coumadin. However, my doctors both told me that they would rather adjust my medication around a healthy diet than to restrict my diet around the medication. Consistency is key. If you have "x" amount of greens a week, you will have to continue to have "x" amount of greens while medicated. Once they are sure your clot has dissolved and that it doesnt develop into a PE, they might be willing to work with you. Also, a Hollistic doctor might be able to help with naturally thinning foods. Coumadin therapy is tricky though and you shouldnt be trying to thin your blood naturally while you are also medicated. Unless, again, you eat the same amount consistently, under doctor supervision. Be ready to take a lot of blood tests while on coumadin. They have to make sure you are in the theraputic range.

My thoughts go out to you during this time. I don't want you to lose hope. I'm sure you will find a doctor to work with your raw diet once your clot dissolves and your blood is regulated. It is possible to be raw and on coumadin.

[lissomllama]

I jsut want to say- Feel better and here's a big hug filled with light just for you! :) :o *hug*

Blessings of perfect health to you.

[learningrawways]

HI Coriander,

I was on Coumadin when I had my heart attack, but I was lucky because they took me off it before I came home. Yes, there was a long list of things you couldn't eat and I didn't like the thought of being on that med (and that was before I heard of raw). I think Drawn gave you good advice--you have try to find a doctor who will work with you. Hopefully, your current doctor will. I really lucked out with my doctor--he is willing to work with my diet and has not put me on statins--and as of my last cholesterol test my bad cholesterol went down 50 points. So I am hoping it will keep going down through what I eat. But that's my situation. I hope things do work out for you. Once you are off Coumadin, ginger is also good for circulation.

Alanna

[tvillemom]

Hi C74~! Great to see you back. So So sorry to hear about what happened. I can't offer any help, except to say, I have an aunt on coumadin. She went to have some blood work checked (this "blood clotting" disease RUNS in my family!) and her blood work came back not so great. The nurse asked her if she was eating leafy greens...and my aunt said "no" and the nurse asked her if she was eating salads (my aunt LOVES salad) and she said "yes :o , but you know, not a DARK leafy, it was romain lettuce or something" and they told her she could not have that! It really interferes with the meds....so my advice is for right now, follow their directions....and be glad that this is a temporary problem that they linked to the BC pill. Be VERY glad that the only problem you had was the clot (I had a neighbor who suffered a STROKE in her mid 20's because of the bc pill! AND THEN in her 40's found out she had hepatitis C from the blood transfusion she got when she had the stroke!) Count yourself lucky, and hang in there!
God Bless, you're in my prayers!
Wendi

[startootsie]

Hello!

I know of essential oils for helping blood clots; single oils: Helichrysum, clove, nutmeg, lemon, orange, grapefruit, tangerine and lemon. cistus. Oil blends: Thieves, PanAway, and Longevity. These oils are Young Living essential oils. They really do help with a healing program.

I wish you light and happiness!

Christianna

[luckitri]

OMG! You are so young and beautiful and healthy looking! This is such a shock! I am looking at the helpful links for you and taking note. Today on national public radio (I only half heard cuz I was at work) there was a news article stating that Judge William Rehnquist was actually schizophrenic as a side effect from some medicine that he was taking. It seems that almost every day there is some news about side effects from pharmaceuticals. Prayers and good vibes sent your way for healing!

[Coriander74]

"Drawn", thank you so much for your story and your encouragement. I have an appointment Monday morning with my holistic doc and I'm definitely going to bring up some things.

Thank you all for your continued ideas and love and support. I do feel blessed that it was "only a clot" and not something worse. I also feel lucky that it caused such horrible pain, or else I might have just written it off as a leg cramp... but I can't think about that stuff, I have to think about moving on from here and getting this resolved.

You all are such beautiful people, to reach out and help any way you can. This board is blessed to have you.

Much love,

[RowanC]

Interesting that this posting came at this time. My 30 year old son has what he THOUGHT was a spider bite on his calf. It's been there for months and wouldn't go away. Finally, his doctor decided last week it was a blood clot! YIKES.

He was told to wear support hose. That's about it.
I'm worried because he's overweight and he drinks more than I'd like and he smokes too! I'm afraid he's going to have a stroke or something.

I'm going to go back and read all this information people have posted to see if there's anything here that can help him. Luckily, the doctor did not put him on Coumidin. That stuff is nasty. I'm sorry you have to be on it.

Anyway, thanks for this posting.

[RowanC]

Hello!

I know of essential oils for helping blood clots; single oils: Helichrysum, clove, nutmeg, lemon, orange, grapefruit, tangerine and lemon. cistus. Oil blends: Thieves, PanAway, and Longevity. These oils are Young Living essential oils. They really do help with a healing program.

I wish you light and happiness!

Christianna

Christianna, can you email me with specifics on the use of these oils? Do you apply them to the clot area or do you ingest them?
Please read the above post about my son.
Thanks.

[Rawzula]

Found some more websites:

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art43844.asp

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0002/ai_2603000213

http://www.soulhealer.com/supindex-g.htm

I hope they help.

[Xanadu]

I just sent you an email Corinne. Hope it helps. :)

[Xanadu]

Interesting that this posting came at this time. My 30 year old son has what he THOUGHT was a spider bite on his calf. It's been there for months and wouldn't go away. Finally, his doctor decided last week it was a blood clot! YIKES.

He was told to wear support hose. That's about it.
I'm worried because he's overweight and he drinks more than I'd like and he smokes too! I'm afraid he's going to have a stroke or something.

I'm going to go back and read all this information people have posted to see if there's anything here that can help him. Luckily, the doctor did not put him on Coumidin. That stuff is nasty. I'm sorry you have to be on it.

Anyway, thanks for this posting.

I had sent this info to Corinne in an email as that is what she said in her first posting and I hadn't yet read everybody elses post but since your email isn't obvious I will post it here for you.

I copied the below paragraph from a site that advertises products by Dr. Wallach. He is the author of the book, "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" and "Let's Play Doctor" among others. He was nominated for the Nobel because of discoveries that helped fight some severe disease children get that I forget the name of. He is a veterinarian and says that they discovered how to prevent many diseases in animals years ago and that the same things work on the same diseases in humans as he went on to prove. I remember reading where he talked about how harmful Coumadin is and what to do instead a couple years ago but cant find my book or the same site I used to go to where they had a lot of his info but I did find the below paragraph at least. I know he sells several products although I don't use any of them anymore since the raw diet.

Another strategy for dealing with cardiovascular disease is to come at it from the point of view of blood flow. Doctors like to prescribe Coumadin. Gingko behaves the exact same way biochemically as Coumadin. A coronary thrombosis results from a blood clot. B-Complex vitamins can dissolve such clots and keep them from forming. Again, use plenty of the MEU Classic and our other products like Ultimate CardioFx and Ultimate Daily. EFA deficiency will cause blood platelets to stick together.

I also copied this from another site with info about airplane passengers who get leg clots:
deep vein thrombosis (DVT) seems to result when people are confined to one position for long periods of time. To prevent blood clots, passengers should avoid dehydration by skipping caffeine and alcohol and drinking lots of water (which has the added benefit of getting people to stand up and walk to the bathroom). The investigators also encourage people to stretch their legs frequently during a long flight or do exercises and avoid crossing their legs. (On my international flights I set an alarm on my watch to remind me to get up and walk every hour night and day. It really helped.)
Clothing is even more important. Elastic support stockings have been found to prevent blood clot formation. In one study, none of the travelers wearing compression hose on a long flight developed blood clots, while 12 in 116 experiencd DVT while wearing regular socks or stockings.

Aspirin in small doses apparently also helps.

Don't know if any of this is what you need but you might want to try to get one or some of the books by Dr. Wallach. Adelle Davis and Dr. Atkins wrote awesome books on treating various conditions with nutrients also. Dr. Atkins' book is called Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution.....I just checked and he says that Niacin along with Vitamin C reduces the risk of blood clots caused by elevated lipoprotein. I would personally get time-release niacin to prevent the flush it causes. He also says that without Vitamin B6 that "blood thickens and tends to clot which can block off an artery" and " "vitamin E prevents clotting" but to work up to a large dose of as much as 3,200mg slowly although you may not need that much. Also don't use the artificial kind.

Hope this helps! Ofcourse he needs to want to help himself most of all.

[moonstar]

...on Corinne? How is she doing? Haven't heard from her...hope she is ok!

[RowanC]

[QUOTE=misslinda;209330]Coriander74, you are so in my thoughts,heart and prayers!

Do you have anyone to give you stimulating massages to keep blood flow even? Feet massage and knees......
QUOTE]

I'm not sure massage is such a good idea when you have a blood clot!
You don't want that clot to break loose and give her a stroke or heart issue!:eek:

[misslinda]

[QUOTE=misslinda;209330]Coriander74, you are so in my thoughts,heart and prayers!

Do you have anyone to give you stimulating massages to keep blood flow even? Feet massage and knees......
QUOTE]

I'm not sure massage is such a good idea when you have a blood clot!
You don't want that clot to break loose and give her a stroke or heart issue!:eek:


WOW good to know, I'm glad someone is paying attention:)