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12-20-2006, 12:12 PM
I have been discussing fluorination and chlorination of our drinking water with my husband who is a big advocate for both. Can anyone direct me to reliable research on the potential dangers - if any - of these things?
Thanks a heap!
12-20-2006, 12:48 PM
Can anyone direct me to reliable research on the potential dangers - if any - of these things?
There are many dangers. There seems to be a huge misconception about flouride being good for you because it's used by dentists. It's not good for you. It's toxic. Chlorine too.
I found a site and the link will be at the bottom of these quotes, but here are a few important highlights:
"NOTE: Along the same vein, since fluoride is a poisonous by-product of aluminum, it's important to know the dangers of aluminum, too. Most every under-arm deodorant contains aluminum. Rubbing or spraying on the very thin and soft under-arm skin allows it to be easily absorbed into the body. Autopsies on Alzheimers victims have repeatedly shown high concentrations of aluminum in the brain tissue."
"Studies in animals and human populations suggest that fluoride exposure, at levels that are experienced by a significant proportion of the population whose drinking water is fluoridated, may have adverse impacts on the developing brain."
"During the mid-1940s the DuPont Corporation supplied the U. S. militarys Manhattan Project with the fluoride it required. There was a big problem, however. The area in New Jersey surrounding the DuPont plant was being contaminated by toxic fluoride emissions. People were made ill, cattle and horses were crippled, and crops were either contaminated or completely wiped out."
"The aluminium industry was also eager to get the fluoride bandwagon rolling. They had been marketing their fluoride waste as a rat poison and insecticide and were looking for a larger market."
"When old and/or faulty research (by todays standards) is tossed out, including that from other countries like England's recent York Review (of fluoridation) in which important data was omitted or misinterpreted, there remain no reliable studies confirming the safety of water fluoridation. None. Zero. Not even are there any double-blind studies showing fluorides effectiveness. There are, however, over 500 peer-reviewed studies showing adverse effects from fluoride."
http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/dangers-flouride-toothpaste.html (another good link)
Chlorine is not only bad to drink, but also harmful in the shower. You create steam, breathe it in, and you've got chemicals in your lungs. Studies have shown that 50% of asthma attacks were eliminated when asthma patients got filters on their shower heads that filtered out the chlorine. Half of asthma attacks...caused by chlorine.
"Concerned that chlorine may cause spina bifida and stillbirths, the British government has ordered an independent study on chlorine-treated drinking water. Scientists from Imperial College, London University, are interested in this new research from doctors in Norway, Canada and the United States reporting higher levels of birth defects in areas where chlorine is used, compared with drinking water treated by alternative methods."
"A study by Dr. Niels Skakkebaek of the University of Copenhagen demonstrated that the average human sperm counts have dropped in Denmark by almost fifty percent due to the presence of manmade chlorine found within human tissues and breast milk."
"Bladder cancer has been linked to chlorinated drinking water in an average of ten out of eleven studies. One of the studies in Ontario, conducted with funding from Health Canada, found that fourteen to sixteen percent of bladder cancers in Ontario showed a direct correlation to drinking water containing high levels of chlorine by-products. Chlorinated water has been linked to colon and rectal cancers in the studies, but the occurrences were not as common as those for bladder cancer."
Here's the link to that site: http://www.splendaexposed.com/articles/2005/06/chlorine_in_you.html
Hope this helps.
12-23-2006, 07:34 PM
Get a filter system in your house if possible. Taking tiny steps can help work your way up to better drinking water like, buy a fridge filtering container system like a Brita, or buy bottled (expensive 4 me anyway). We have a filtering system from AMWAY but it needs a new filter so we havent used it in a long time but it was nice to use a 2nd tap at the sink that was pure drinking water! :)
12-23-2006, 08:18 PM
12-23-2006, 08:27 PM
Both fluoride and chlorine were produced for the military and both are extremely toxic. Rather than having the manufacturers pay for the environmental clean up of these chemicals, the infamous plan was hatched to add it to the water, make it seem safe, and charge the consumer for it, thus no need for enormous sums of money to be paid by the large corporations that serviced the military industrial complex. It was a scheme similiar to irradiation of our food today with toxic nuclear waste, but it was hatched at a time when there was less information available to the public and when the public still trusted their elected officials to look out for their interests.
Both substances are highly dangerous; fluoride is one of the most toxic substances known to man. There is no research that shows that it is helpful against dental caries, and much research showing that it is not. Chlorine is also dangerous..and we are exposed much more to it in our lives since we use water so extensively. If at all possible get a filter that removes the chlorine from the water coming into your house, if not, get shower head filters, and faucett filters. It's more difficult to rid yourself of fluoride as aluminum is usually used to filter it out. There is a water filter called the berkey light that has additional filters to purchase that will remove most fluoride.
12-23-2006, 08:28 PM
I've used a brita filter before, but cheap pitcher filters do NOT remove the fluoride from water. A friend of mine has a water filtration system installed in his home (cost roughly 5K) which removes everything... and when I'm at his house I drink lots of their water!
Our local water commission brags about fluoride being in their tap water as if that were something to be proud of. I consider it a warning :)
I just did a search on the berkey light, and I didn't see anything where it says it removes flouride. I went right to the Berkey light site.
12-31-2006, 11:15 AM
Here is an article of how fluoride affects the pineal gland
12-31-2006, 12:24 PM
Fluoride in food
12-31-2006, 02:52 PM
There seems to be a huge misconception about flouride being good for you because it's used by dentists.
Not all dentists agree with this anymore.
I recently had all my mercury fillings removed, and our dentist believes in flouride/chlorine-free dentistry. Even his water system in the office is purified.
We only use flouride-free toothpaste, and buy our water purified in 5-gallon containers for a home dispenser.
Just because a chemical is "acceptable" in some professions, does not mean that it's good for you.
Didn't doctors, once upon a time, tell pregnant women to take up smoking to give them smaller babies to make for an easier labour?
Dentists are no better. Look at the topic of mercury for example, and how "accepted" that was for decades for fillings. I don't think you could find a worse substance to put in your body if you tried (except maybe urianium).
When it comes to any manufactured chemical, less is more.
01-01-2007, 01:58 PM
I did read that fluoride was original a by-product of the atomindustry
and people were happy to be able to sell it in drinkwater and toothpaste.
this is from a writer being very honoust I think
01-01-2007, 10:11 PM
that's a list of safety recommendations for hydrofluorosilicic acid, the compound used to fluoridate water. the site shows "water fluoridation" on the list of uses for the compound under the products tab.
this is the website for the company that produces it. if they have admit safety concerns about contact, ingestion, or inhalation, then who would ever drink this?
01-01-2007, 10:23 PM
My mom recently went to the dentist and was talking to him about how fluoride effects people's thyroids, she expected him to disagree with her, but instead told her it was a poison for humans!! wow!!
01-03-2007, 12:55 AM
I have been looking into a reverse osmossis system as the same question is on my mind.. They sell for around $319.00 to $350.00 dollars. They remove everything. They mount under the sink.
Pur and Brita do not remove the chlorine and flouride from the water.
http://www.2-life.com sells them for a good price. That is where I am going to purchase mine from.
Also http://www.mercola.com has many articles i found helpful and informative on chlorine and flouride and clean water.
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