vegans are slow? [Archive]

jiujitsugirl

10-31-2006, 02:54 AM

luckitri

10-31-2006, 03:12 AM

Well vegans generally think that meat eaters are quick to anger and have issues and alot of negativity from all those bad hormones from those sick, crazy, tortured, terrified factory farm raised for meat animals! I've been both. I like me vegan better.

lily

10-31-2006, 03:27 AM

Oh my, what a whopping generalization. How many vegans does your friend know, and how has he or she evaluabted their intelligence?

Omega oils are the latest thing that people hold up against the vegan diet -- it used to be lack of protein, lack of iron, lack of calcium...

Now they realise that we're not actually falling over with lack of these things, they're getting at us lack of brain power...

You can get all the omega oils you need from the same place the fish got them in the first place -- omega-rich algae. Or flax oil is a brilliant source, as long as your body is efficient at converting the short-chain omega oils to long-chain ones.

lily

Angelic Light

10-31-2006, 04:06 AM

Well I have 3 vegan kids who are anything but slow... they are bright, intelligent and always full of energy... so I guess they are getting the good stuff they need from their food.

RawTruth

10-31-2006, 04:07 AM

ok dont yell at me, but my friend told me that vegans are generally slow thinkers and react slower because they're lacking the protein and omega fats, Um, uh, well ... I'd answer you but I just can't get my brain to work fast enough.

now i know most of your responses but does this diet seem to be deficient in proper fats for your brain, im just wondering if its protein or the omegas that are more important, thanks and sorry for the topic its only my curiosity...Seriously, though, when you eat a variety of raw and living foods, you're getting everything all parts of your body needs to function at an optimal level.

Don't worry. Eat happy.

vgloveforlife

10-31-2006, 05:48 AM

It's amazing what some people will come up with.
ANY diet can be deficient in Omega fats especially omega 3, not only a vegan one. In fact vegans may get a better ratio/amount because most vegans are very aware of nutritional requirements. A lot of meat eaters I know don't even know what omega 3 is.
An animal fat diet contains A LOT of toxins that can interfere with proper function of the body such as mercury, PCBS etc. I would certaintly take a potential lack of omega fats over harmful toxins.

I use flax, hemp, walnuts and algae for my omega 3.

ljcoolj

10-31-2006, 07:24 AM

ok dont yell at me, but my friend told me that vegans are generally slow thinkers and react slower because they're lacking the protein and omega fats, now i know most of your responses but does this diet seem to be deficient in proper fats for your brain, im just wondering if its protein or the omegas that are more important, thanks and sorry for the topic its only my curiosity...

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Lay-Lay

10-31-2006, 08:32 AM

I found the opposite to be true. My brain power has become soooo much more then it was and with proof. I am able to work less hours, yet getting more done in the time I do work, and I am making more money.

Avocados, walnuts, and olive oil are a few of the essential fats I enjoy.

Rawkinlocs

10-31-2006, 08:38 AM

I think oftentimes people come up with things like this out of their own inner, personal convictions... to make themselves feel good in the face of someone who eats (or does anything else) differently than they do. Just like when people get all defensive when you tell them you don't eat meat or junk foods, etc. and they start coming up with every "excuse" (reason) in the world why they "have" to eat meat and you NEVER once said anything negative about the fact that they choose to eat it!

So, folks want to feel comfortable with their choices and thus, come up with stuff such as what your friend said to you. That is a huge generalization as lily said - I know TONS of meat/fish, egg, etc-eating folks who are plenty slow just as I know many who are plenty bright and intelligent.

Conscious Midwife

10-31-2006, 09:11 AM

I doubt that the lack of meat intake has any adverse implications with respect to intelligence.

LisaDS88

10-31-2006, 09:24 AM

I think eating healthy vegan and being raw makes you think quicker and become more alert. I certainly feel that in myself, and my creativity and energy level go way up.

HOWEVER, I can understand the comment your friend made. Especially when you take into consideration your local health food store checkout clerk (of course not all, but at least the majority I have seen). Has anyone noticed that they are the most slow operating people around....they move slow, they talk slow, etc. (however they are very friendly) I've often wondered about this and why it's the case. Perhaps because of their natural lifestyle they don't take life so seriously and feel a need to rush like everyone else?? Perhaps a lot of cooked vegans are into the whole "natural" earth thing, including smoking a lot of the "natural" drug...pot?? I don't want to generalize, but when you think about it most vegans are the "hippie type" and often smoke a lot of pot which slows down the brain. I just know that when I go to any health food store in town I can expect it will take quite a while to checkout and most of the employees act like their high. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Conscious Midwife

10-31-2006, 09:31 AM

LisaDS88

Maybe it's just a KY thing. :D just kidding

I'm in TN and find my Wild Oats folks pretty quick on the uptake, but er hummm the teens and college students at the Kroger I go to can't count which I think is a direct reflection on the academics, or lack there of, in my state not the dietary intake.

Beside, no matter where you work you gotta choose your attitude.

I can only imagine that if you don't choose to have a good attitude and make the day of your customers then cashiering could be

BORING!!!!

Sharon in Colorado

10-31-2006, 09:33 AM

Can you repeat the question?

Shmoopie

10-31-2006, 09:43 AM

Jiujitsugirl, if you want to take some facts back to your friend, nuts take care of the omega 3. Walnuts are one of the highest sources of omega 3 and omega 6, providing more than the daily requirements with a 1.5 ounce serving. They offer the most polyunsaturated fats (fats we need) of all nuts. They are full of protein, though almonds might have even more. And then almonds are next on the list for all those things. That's what nuts are; fats, oils, and protein. Beyond that, avocados provide fats and oils. Flax seeds provide an absolute ton omega 3 and omega 6. Far more than nuts.

There are plenty of foods that a vegan (raw or not) can eat that provide the nutrients you mentioned. Those things are available in cooked food, but cooking your food kills/alters proteins, oils, good fats, etc...and often come with a lot of harmful chemicals in tow. Even without the chemicals, being that nutrients are destroyed/altered by cooking, they obviously would then wind up having less of the nutrients than before you cooked it. And many of the ones they had become toxic to the body.

Hope that helps. Take care.

LOL @ Sharon's comment!

lil fairy z girl

10-31-2006, 10:03 AM

mmmmmh, interesting comment. however i do not agree. i do think however that vegans are maybe more intune with life and are more interested in the wider issues that others don't seem to think about. maybe thats why they take more time to answer :D

sal
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Forever Young

10-31-2006, 10:07 AM

Duh? :cool:

tvillemom

10-31-2006, 10:18 AM

I would say raw vegans are slower....slower to anger...more at harmony in their own body, making them appear slow to the hyped up sugar, hormone infested meat/sugar/SAD eaters!! just my opinion!
Wendi

rawpriestess

10-31-2006, 10:42 AM

It never ceases to amaze me, that people ANYONE will look at the raw vegan lifestyle and ask all these questions about fatty acids, and proteins and calcium, and yet think NOTHING of their lifestyle before raw.

I mean, I NEVER THOUGHT OF MY INTAKE OF anything when I was eating burgers shakes and french fries, I didn't care what I was eating, as long as I could shove it down. LOL

but you've got some good answers here and hopefully, you will not listen to your friend, who doesn't sound much like a friend to me.

I mean, really, where does she base her question? has she googled it? did she read this somewhere? and if so, then where? who was the author? what nutritional training do they have? has she heard this from a qualified physician who has extensive nutritional background?

so...........?

I probably could wait for these answers for years!

I always find it interesting that people will make blanket judgemental statements about a group of people with NO basis in fact.

swingbolder

10-31-2006, 11:42 AM

Well, if this means anything, I am in my 3rd semester of school and have a 4.0 average. The stuff I'm learning (chemistry, anatomy etc.) requires HEAVY mental effort on my part, on a daily basis. Meat-eating students in my classes come to ME for help with their studies because they know I am the one getting 100's on all the tests.:)

It's only bc of raw food that I am able to maintain this level of academic activity bc I have the energy and mental clarity to study deep into the night and early, early in the morning! I do all this on raw vegan food and zero coffee.

alex

10-31-2006, 02:14 PM

Perhaps we vegans are less stressed and more at peace with ourselves - I know I am since going highraw!

alex

RawTruth

10-31-2006, 02:15 PM

Gosia

10-31-2006, 04:18 PM

The opposite is true. I am a researcher (my backgound is Applied Maths, Probability, Operations Research) and I spend a lot of time during my work, thinking. The bulk of my working time is used on thinking. My main duty is to think. Have you ever seen a mathematician at work?

Anyway, before raw, I had to drink coffee about 2-3 times to prevent me from feeling lethargic and sleepy, and to help me concentrate at my work. After going raw, this problem went away. I don't have to drink coffee anymore. I am bright and allert as a young child. Moreover, now I can't drink coffee, not even the weakest, or I will have difficulties falling asleep at night. Only recently, I won a prestigous grant to fund my research. I am very successful in my thinking job. All that while being raw. In fact, I think better and clearer and faster because of raw. My office smells of fruit.

Gosia

sport

11-01-2006, 09:56 AM

I do not lack intellegence (other than in the spelling area) but I have a shocking memory and sometimes suspect that it is because of diet.
I have no reason to believe this other than the absence of any other reason.

Now if the above conclusion shows a lack of intellegence please pretend not to notice.

dreamrawalwz

11-01-2006, 04:54 PM

As others above me had said, it's the opposite! Those that see others as different than them they'll do anything to make themselves look better. Those that eat SAD or even just cooked, are WAY hyped up on sugar, caffine, and hormones. Vegans can be just as bad actually because of the caffine and sugar they may consume (if they're junk food vegans). I find that raw vegans are MUCH calmer, relaxed, down to earth, and have this special connection with one another that I can't explain.

Before raw school seemed SO hard. I was getting C's on average and I had to study all the time. Now that I'm raw I find myself SO incredibly bored with school because it's not challenging enough. The stat. teacher has to go over a concept about ten times before everyone else gets it while I'm ahead on the in class problems and looking at the next concepts. I think the meat and stuff is fogging their brains. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging though so I hope it doesn't get taken that way.

I'm SOOO bored while I'm raw. This is a good thing haha. I couldn't figure out why I was bored until this afternoon, actually. Everyone keeps saying I'm "so smart" because I'm not studying, taking many notes, and getting A's on my tests. I never thought I was smart until today. The ONLY times that I'm not bored is if I'm doing health/nutrition research or reading research type books. My brain just absorbs all the information now and retains it. It's getting it out clearly to express to others is the problem, but I'm working on that haha.

Ok, I'll stop rambling now, but when people generalize on maybe one or two experiences they've had (or possibly no experience at all) it gets me upset a bit.

Coriander74

11-01-2006, 05:36 PM

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LOL

I disagree with the thought that vegans are slow. I think we just project so much peace and harmony within ourselves and with the world that it could be generalized as "well they're not whipping around frantically"...

I keep my brain busy with crosswords and Scrabble, so it's exercised too :P

JinxieKat

11-02-2006, 03:15 PM

<snip>
HOWEVER, I can understand the comment your friend made. Especially when you take into consideration your local health food store checkout clerk (of course not all, but at least the majority I have seen). Has anyone noticed that they are the most slow operating people around....they move slow, they talk slow, etc. (however they are very friendly) I've often wondered about this and why it's the case.
<snip>

Hehe.. Oh my I think I know of exactly _what_ stores your talking about in Louisville. *grin* There may be some relevance to the whole Kentucky thing though! I know when I moved here from Massachuttess (excuse my spelling if it is wrong. I only lived there for 23 years, no reason why I should be able to spell it. *lol* ) it drove me nuts how slow everyone moved in comparison to Boston.. Yikes! Talk about culture shock. Anyway.. it's nice to see another Louisvillian! *waves* I'd love to meet up with another raw person here in Louisville, it seems like we are few and far between. Drop me an email if you'd like to get together or chat!

Jinx

MaryWalker

11-02-2006, 03:43 PM

SedonaSun

11-02-2006, 05:49 PM

SAD eaters are generally fat and sluggish and take all sorts of meds to cure an ailment. :eek:

jiujitsugirl

11-02-2006, 06:05 PM

blaqberry

11-02-2006, 06:13 PM

Can you repeat the question?

HAHAHA! :p ;)

RawNut

11-02-2006, 11:11 PM

haha wow ok sorry everyone, well you didnt get as angry as i thought so i guess vegans are more peaceful haha, its just my friend said he felt slow and couldnt do well on a vegan diet...maybe everyone is different but i guess he didnt have to make that comment

How long did your friend give the vegan diet? I know someone who ditched vegetarianism because it "zapped her energy." I then read that whenever someone improves their diet, they can go through detox, even if it's going from SAD to cooked vegan. Perhaps he should have given it more time.

Craig

greeninloanageles1

11-04-2006, 12:01 AM

Not all vegan diets are alike - if your friend ate mostly cakes and french fries, it might have been the case. Or if he ate healthier foods maybe it was a detox period he was experiencing. Nobody who gets enough calories can be deficient in protein simply because all whole foods have enough of it. We mostly suffer from too much of it as also of too much fat. Both of these together with table salt create perfect conditions for cancer. I don't see how anything what creates cancer can make you think better...

luckitri

11-04-2006, 01:43 AM

LisaDS88 and Jinxiekat - it ain't just a Kentucky thang! I've seen it from New Haven CT to Phoenix AZ. From Camden ME to San Francisco CA. From Coconut Grove FL to San Antonio TX. It must be a counter culture thing.

blueberryice

11-04-2006, 05:21 AM

In response to the inital post, can I say that 'Vegan' doesnt necc mean this person is eating healthy?? I belong to the Vegan forum as well. Most if not all of these ppl eat loads of rice & beans/lentils for their daily needs. I would be exhausted & too grumpy to want to be quick to do or answer things, haha

And... I've been down that road. I was vegan before Raw vegan.

You cant compare a cooked vegan with a raw one. Your entire body. mind & soul awakens. Noone is quicker than a raw foodie. I've learned this through experience. :D