The source of (almost all) your biological vitamine is synthetic !!!

[LightLover]

* This is highly interesting, so I hope you can spare some 5 minutes.

* Below are some interviews I have had with 2 vitamincompanies
1) new chapter 2) the synergy company

* They argue that they use: "bio transformed vitamins" (new chapter)
and "naturally grown ingredients" (synergy company)

* As these arguments are not explained on the package that you are buying,
I decided to mail these companies. My conclusion is that they begin
with synthetic vitamins, which they later harvest in a natural surrounding/context (yeast..) . It is not clear what the ratio is between the synthetic
input at the beginning and the "transformed endproduct"

- I would like to know your opinion....?

(explanation: Usp = united states pharmocopeia = synthetic)

PART1 : NEW CHAPTER
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Hi New Chapter,
I am reading that you are using "bio transformed vitamins" and my question is, especially for your man's vitamines:
- which are the nutrients containing so much vitamins
that you are bio-transforming?
- Or are the vitamins being formed by the processes?
- Or do you begin with synthetic vitamins and are these bio-transformed to natural nutrients?
Somehow I can't find this in your text. I would appreciate
if you can mail me about these questions.
K regards & thanks, Marcel Ikelaar
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From: "Cindy Hebbard" <CHebbard@new-chapter.com>
To: "marcel ikelaar" <marcelikelaar@hotmail.com>
Subject: New Chapter
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:39:28 -0400

Dear Marcel,



Thank you for writing to us with your questions. Yes is the answer to your questions!



Please see attachments for additional info, and go to our website: www.newchapter.info , then RESEARCH, then the Probiotic Nutrient Process.



I hope this information will be helpful for you. I wish you well on your path to good health and vitality.



Warmly,

Cindy



Cindy Hebbard

New Chapter

Consumer Services

1-800-543-7279 x 124

chebbard@newchapter.info
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From: marcel ikelaar [mailto:marcelikelaar@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:20 PM
To: Cindy Hebbard
Subject: RE: New Chapter



Wow Cindy , sounds fantastic!

I know I ask a lot, because I am curious from nature, and like to have the feeling of a bottom, I really appreciate all your efforts and answers.

Just one final: So now I am wondering if you know what the ratio is between the initial Usp ( United States Pharmacopeia) and the finally harvested product, for example: if you begin with 50 mg Usp Vitamin C, will you also end with 50 mg harvest (ratio 1:1) or is there another ratio, and can you say in general which one?

Many thanks, marcel

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From: "Cindy Hebbard" <CHebbard@new-chapter.com>
To: "marcel ikelaar" <marcelikelaar@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: New Chapter
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:33:47 -0400

Dear Marcel,



The exact mgs are listed on each product.



Warmly,

Cindy



Cindy Hebbard

New Chapter

Consumer Services

1-800-543-7279 x 124

chebbard@newchapter.info

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From: marcel ikelaar [mailto:marcelikelaar@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:25 AM
To: Cindy Hebbard
Subject: RE: New Chapter



Thanks Cindy, I agree that te output of the process is on the labels, but my question

was about the input, and especially how much mg usp you need for example to become 100 mg vitamine E? (ratio..)
Warm regards, Marcel

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Dear Marcel,



The mgs listed are the exact amounts ‘added’ to the broth. This is what the federal regulations allow to be printed on the label. This attachment may answer your needs, but if not, I have nothing else to offer you, so I hope it helps!





Warmly,

Cindy



Cindy Hebbard

New Chapter

Consumer Services

1-800-543-7279 x 124

chebbard@newchapter.info


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PART 2 SYNERGY COMPANY

ADDITONAL COMMENTS: Dear Synergy Company,



Can you tell me more about the "naturally grown

ingredients", especially: which ingredients

are this?



Many thanks, Marcel Ikelaar, The netherlands, Amsterdam

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From: "Synergy Company Information" <info-request@synergy-co.com>
To: <marcelikelaar@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: request for more information
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:57:24 -0600

Dear Marcel,



The Naturally Grown Nutrients™ are used in Vita Synergy only. This is our food form nutrient technology. We begin with nutritional yeast (Saccaromyces cerevisiae) in a laboratory. We feed a USP (United States Pharmacopeia) nutrient to the yeast which then digests the nutrient and it becomes part of its own food matrix. We then introduce an enzyme to eat away the cell wall of the yeast. Then, the nutrient is harvested. This process is done for every nutrient present in Vita Synergy. There is NO magnesium stearate or any stearate, shellacs or anything of that nature used as binders, fillers or manufacturing aids.



The method of Naturally Grown Nutrients™ is similar to the process of growing vegetables in your garden. We humans are unable to eat soil & gain any nutrients from it. However, you can feed your soil nutrients which your plants will uptake into their own food matrix; we then eat the vegetable and are able to absorb the nutrients.



I hope this information is helpful to you. Please donÂ’t hesitate to be in contact if you have further questions. You may reply to this email, or contact us from our website at www.thesynergycompany.com. Our direct dial phone number is 435-259-5366 and we are available from Monday to Friday, 8:30am-5:00pm Mountain Time. Mountain Time is -7 from GMT.



Thank you for your inquiry!



Warm regards,

Heather Sudbury

Customer Service

“Nourish Your Life Force”
ginal Message-----
From: Contact Us Web Page [mailto:Contact Us Web Page]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:05 PM
To: info-request@synergy-co.com; vfugit@synergy-co.com
Subject: request for more information

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-----Original Message-----
From: marcel ikelaar [mailto:marcelikelaar@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:20 PM
To: info-request@synergy-co.com
Subject: RE: request for more information



Heather, thanks for your quick answer.

So I am correct when I say: you take a very little amount pure synthetic products, and than

you bio-transform this to a natural product in much larger amounts using a natural envirment?



Kind Regards and good luck , Marcel

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From: "Synergy Company Information" <info-request@synergy-co.com>
To: "'marcel ikelaar'" <marcelikelaar@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: request for more information
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:15:57 -0600

Dear Marcel,



Basically that is correct. The USP nutrient is fed to nutritional yeast (Saccharomyces cervisiae) with foods to allow the yeast to uptake the nutrient into its own food matrix. Once this digestion has occurred, the cell wall of the yeast is broken down by enzymes and we harvest the nutrient. This process happens for each nutrient such as Vitamin A, C, D, E, K, etc. The botanicals are added after this process and then the mix is tableted using our proprietary method using no binders, filler, shellacs or stearates.



Hope this helps!



Warm regards,

Heather Sudbury

Customer Service

“Nourish Your Life Force”

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-----Original Message-----
From: marcel ikelaar [mailto:marcelikelaar@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:47 AM
To: info-request@synergy-co.com
Subject: RE: request for more information



Wow Heather sounds fantastic!

I know I ask a lot, because I am curious from nature, and like to have the feeling of a bottom, I really appreciate all your efforts and answers

Just one final: So now I am wondering if you know what the ratio is between the Usp
and the finally harvested product, for example: if you begin with 50 mg Usp Vitamin C, will you also end with 50 mg harvest (ratio 1:1) or is there another ratio, and can you say in general which one?
Many thanks, marcel

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Greetings again Marcel!


I do not know the ratio as I do not know the exact amount of USP nutrient that is fed to the yeast. What we end with is listed on the label with each nutrient. This is a measurable amount that is verified by an independent lab.



All the best to you!



Heather Sudbury

Customer Service

“Nourish Your Life Force”

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[SmilingRawDancer]

So basically no one knows anything?

I find those answers irritating and evasive.
You'd think that if the company truely wanted to promote health etc, they'd get their facts straight, and provide all the information one could desire.
Gr.

[LightLover]

So basically no one knows anything?

I find those answers irritating and evasive.
You'd think that if the company truely wanted to promote health etc, they'd get their facts straight, and provide all the information one could desire.
Gr.

* Yes, and why is it not described on the bottle, that they begin with synthetic products, what you would/may expect from producers which are honoust and transparant, ?

* I don't like to be lied to/at :( , and not giving enough info = lying, :eek: especially if a producer claims to be better and more pure than "SAD-producers"

[Sharon in Colorado]

like to have the feeling of a bottom

What does this mean, LL? :confused:

[LightLover]

What does this mean, LL? :confused:


uuh.. I like people with their tongue on their heart, speaking out wat they

(think to) know or feel, and also I appreciate if they give me more feedback than I ask for and work with me, and together we will arrive at a stadium that our questions decrease and it will be silent.

LL

[SmilingRawDancer]

I buy "SAD" supplements, because
1. I kind of doubt the potency/nutritional value of vitamins in the first place.
2. They're cheaper, and most of the time I read labels I find them similar.
3. It's just a backup. I don't feel any negative impact when I take them, I only feel more peace in my mind that I'm getting a wide variety of vitamins etc. on a daily basis.

It's like a placebo : )

[LightLover]

I buy "SAD" supplements, because
1. I kind of doubt the potency/nutritional value of vitamins in the first place.
2. They're cheaper, and most of the time I read labels I find them similar.
3. It's just a backup. I don't feel any negative impact when I take them, I only feel more peace in my mind that I'm getting a wide variety of vitamins etc. on a daily basis.

It's like a placebo : )

* I will ask some "guru's" about it. Just for fun! :p

LL

[SmilingRawDancer]

Well I'm very open about the fact that I'm not "hard-core" raw.
I see endless benefits of eating raw, but I don't view cooked things as "poison", I just view them as potentially nutritionless. And I want only nutritional calories in my body.
Of course, if my vitamins were made of dead horse hooves and DDT, I'd want to know, and REALLY stop taking them. :-p

Hmmmmm gets me thinking. I really am becoming paranoid about all products that I buy though. Labelling laws aren't very strict :\

[sport]

Well I'm very open about the fact that I'm not "hard-core" raw.
I see endless benefits of eating raw, but I don't view cooked things as "poison", I just view them as potentially nutritionless. And I want only nutritional calories in my body.
:\
I think that you may find that you are wrong in this.
You will find many references to the fact that if you get your blood checked before and after eating you will find that your antibodies will have risen as a result of eating cooked food but not raw leading to the conclusion that your body sees cooked food as invading foreign bodies and reacts to it in the same way as it would to poison.

[SmilingRawDancer]

*Smiles and nods*

[alex]

In his book: Natural Cures by Kevin Trudeau, he recommends not taking vitamin and mineral supplements. He bases this on many conversations he has had with the CEO's of the companies that manufacture supplements.

I thought I read that Kevin was going to put out a book that blows the lid off this supplement myth.

Most people seem to forget that supplements are just that: supplements, if you can not get the nutrtion from their food source for whatever reason. Unfortunately this is true for most people. I think that is why people like David Wolfe, Mike Adams, the Hippocrates summit etc, suggest the use of whole food supplements like Chlorella, Spirulina, sea vegetables etc.


alex

[luckitri]

Many companies practice keeping their employees uneducated or undereducated as a means of protecting proprietary ingredients and methods. Personally I am concerned just as much with the absorbency as with the ingredients. I have heard horror stories of vitamins and gelcaps clogging the intestine and never being fully digested and passed out. Then there is the issue of how much the body absorbs and actually makes use of? Haven't been taking vitamins since raw. Did take some acidopholus and probiotics and stuff for cholesterol.

[LightLover]

I think that you may find that you are wrong in this.
You will find many references to the fact that if you get your blood checked before and after eating you will find that your antibodies will have risen as a result of eating cooked food but not raw leading to the conclusion that your body sees cooked food as invading foreign bodies and reacts to it in the same way as it would to poison.


* maybe a point for the televisionshows of alissa Cohen. Can someone
mail this to her?

LL

[Dimond]

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for supplements.

[MacaMan]

I think that you may find that you are wrong in this.
You will find many references to the fact that if you get your blood checked before and after eating you will find that your antibodies will have risen as a result of eating cooked food but not raw leading to the conclusion that your body sees cooked food as invading foreign bodies and reacts to it in the same way as it would to poison.

Are there any published studies I could read concerning this matter?

[sport]

It is known as "Digestive Leukocytosos"
If you google it you will find lots but here are 2 links that I found

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/enzymes.htm

http://www.healthe-livingnews.com/articles/are_enzyme-deficient_foods_making_you_sick.html