People always wanting evidence

[Sharon in Colorado]

I've gotta say it seems like people who want evidence are doing so because of roadblocks in their minds.

I used to want evidence for everthing just so I didn't have to try it myself.

Even if something didn't work for a "friend" or a "friend of a friend" that was good enough for me, even though the positive personal testimonies outweighed the negative.

We are all so different, that evidence or studies or what have you just don't work with the raw diet. Plus the fact that there are so many different raw ways to eat that could contribute to the results.

High fruit works for some but not others.

High fat works for some but not others.

Simple and mono-mealing works for some but not others.

Complex recipes work for some but not others.

Then you have those coming into raw with compromised immune systems...

Different diseases...

Cancer...

Sugar related problems...

Digestive disorders....

Colon Disorders....

Some can't digest the same as others because of their dietary backgrounds.

Two people with the same "disease" who were brought up on totally different diets may not be able to handle the same raw foods, or heal at the same rate.

Two people with completely different diseases may find that the same style of raw works for them.

Two people on the same raw diet will have totally different outcomes, detox, healing and weight regulation.

You could have an underweight and overweight person on the same type of diet - both regulating their weight.

So you see some kind of documentation or study isn't always going to ring true for your personal situation. If the testimonies you read and hear about aren't good enough, or don't convince you to at least try doing raw, then perhaps this road isn't the one you are looking for.

To me, my own personal evidence and personal study for my particular situation, which is high cholesterol has so greatly improved on raw that it is impossible for me to deny. When just a change in diet works as well or better than taking a statin drug, there's no looking back for me. That's my story.

We each have to pave our own roads to health.

[The_Breatharian_One]

There's a balance to be struck between using your intuition/gut instinct and implicitly believing what people tell you without the slightest demand for actual proof.


I don't doubt the benefits of raw food.

But some of the stuff some raw fooders come out with really amuses me:

"Since going raw my sex drive has REALLY decreased, must be some sort of an internal/emotional CLEANSING and PURIFICATION, now I'm not like those LUSTFUL, ravenous meat eaters!!"

"My taste buds have REALLY transformed, pizza tastes like cardboard to me, whilst raw broccoli tastes better than ice cream!!!"


Yeah right!!! Can anyone say placebo ?!!

[Lay-Lay]

Many of us have been trained to listen to what we are told or what we read. If someone with "so called" authority, like a doctor saids "this food is good for you or this pill will cure this" many of us have been trained by society that that is fact and truth.

In reality that person of "authority" really knows very little about us. They don't know how in the world that pill or food will react with us. The so called "authority" learned it in some class from back in the day or some study which may have had limited variables.

Each of us are different! There is no one thing that works for all of us. More people need to get in tune with their own bodies. Stop ignoring that gut feeling that a food, feeling, or pill is good or bad for us. We all need a wake up call.

[dreamrawalwz]

"My taste buds have REALLY transformed, pizza tastes like cardboard to me, whilst raw broccoli tastes better than ice cream!!!"


Yeah right!!! Can anyone say placebo ?!!

I don't say that's outrageous. Your taste buds most definitely CAN change. Even on SAD they change every 7 years. When you detox they can heal and change and appreciate raw foods instead of the SAD or even cooked food some may be eating.

[Lay-Lay]

I don't say that's outrageous. Your taste buds most definitely CAN change. Even on SAD they change every 7 years. When you detox they can heal and change and appreciate raw foods instead of the SAD or even cooked food some may be eating.

I think it depends where you are on your journey. If you are just starting out that may seem outrages, but if you have been raw for awhile things do change as dream said.

I have experienced many of the same effects. Some foods that I loved before raw, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole now. ***Constantly changing***

[misslinda]

Great point Sharon and your so right!

---I wonder if deep down inside people are [afraid] of taking [authority] in their own health since we have been conditioned to honor and respect those in the white coats....I know I was when I first started but I realized that noone knows my body better than I do.

:)

[Lay-Lay]

miss linda I know I was at first too, but not anymore. I do respect them, but I choose to be in control of my own body and its well being.

[Sharon in Colorado]

But some of the stuff some raw fooders come out with really amuses me:

"Since going raw my sex drive has REALLY decreased, must be some sort of an internal/emotional CLEANSING and PURIFICATION, now I'm not like those LUSTFUL, ravenous meat eaters!!"

You can't generalize the whole raw food world with a few over-passionate comments.

I've seen plenty of amusing comments that don't sound logical to me - it doesn't mean that the raw and living foods is a sham.

You are going to find passionate people everyone, just as you are gong to find comments from people saying "nothing's happening" or "I'm not losing anything".




"My taste buds have REALLY transformed, pizza tastes like cardboard to me, whilst raw broccoli tastes better than ice cream!!!"



People introduced to the SAD from other countries, or babies going from pure fruits and vegetables to a bunch of cooked and processed foods initially do not like the taste. After a while it grows on them and and in turn much of the time develops into an addiction.

[The_Breatharian_One]

You can't generalize the whole raw food world with a few over-passionate comments.

Read again:

"But some of the stuff some raw fooders come out with really amuses me"




I've seen plenty of amusing comments that don't sound logical to me - it doesn't mean that the raw and living foods is a sham.

When did I say that it was ?

"I don't doubt the benefits of raw food."

[Sharon in Colorado]

**covers ears with hands**

"London Bridges falling down, falling down, falling down, London Bridges falling down, my fair lady"...

[Svadhyaya]

I am definitely one who overanalyzes things and wants lots of confirmation and proof before making any lifestyle changes. Historically, I have been prone to making bad decisions and have done alot to screw up my life and health and now that I'm finally on firmer ground, I want to try to be sure as much as possible that my decisions/changes are good ones.

I know the benefits of raw are immense but I'm easing slowly into it, checking myself all the while, so I can be certain that I'm doing the right thing for my body. It's just my way. I admire people that jump right into new experiences, but I don't feel comfortable with that. Not sure why. Just my cynical personality, I suppose.

My 30 day challenges always take me slightly rawer than I was before.
Thus far, I'm feeling better than I ever have.....

[abundancia2007]

There's a balance to be struck between using your intuition/gut instinct and implicitly believing what people tell you without the slightest demand for actual proof.


I don't doubt the benefits of raw food.

But some of the stuff some raw fooders come out with really amuses me:

"Since going raw my sex drive has REALLY decreased, must be some sort of an internal/emotional CLEANSING and PURIFICATION, now I'm not like those LUSTFUL, ravenous meat eaters!!"

"My taste buds have REALLY transformed, pizza tastes like cardboard to me, whilst raw broccoli tastes better than ice cream!!!"


Yeah right!!! Can anyone say placebo ?!!


When I go raw for long periods of time, and then look at or have pizza (because it's around me or it's a social occasion), then it does seem pretty gross. I cannot yet say the same about broccoli vs. ice cream. I am working on trying to like broccoli. I did have some Soy Ice Cream today though with a friend. I do what I can do, indulge an occasional craving if I need to, and then go with my gut and intuition to see if that food I indulged in is one that my body wants or not. However, yes, some comments from some raw fooders are amusing. Further down on the page there was a comment from someone about decreased sex drive with raw food. My nonexistent sex drive comes back when I go all raw and also when I strengthen adrenal and thyroid glands. To each their own.

abundancia2007

[kellibelli]

I understand wanting to know more about the RAW life because that is the point of view that I come from. I guess what I dont understand is why Breatharian One seems to post negative comments here. I admire how everyone thus far has been so polite in addressing this person's acusitory questioning because I am not inclined to be so polite. I guess after reading all of this person's posts I am growing tired of his crappy attitude...especially when this is a life style I have found to be helpful for me. I am not one to criticize others' beliefs...why is it that he feels the need to criticize mine/ours????

[abundancia2007]

I understand wanting to know more about the RAW life because that is the point of view that I come from. I guess what I dont understand is why Breatharian One seems to post negative comments here. I admire how everyone thus far has been so polite in addressing this person's acusitory questioning because I am not inclined to be so polite. I guess after reading all of this person's posts I am growing tired of his crappy attitude...especially when this is a life style I have found to be helpful for me. I am not one to criticize others' beliefs...why is it that he feels the need to criticize mine/ours????

Part of the reason why I am not entirely raw at this point because the more I understand about how harmful cooked and processed food can be, and how healthy things in their natural state can be, the more judgmental and critical even I can be, and being judgmental and critical can be harmful to health and to spiritual health too...I would like to be able to eat with my friends without offending them, none of which are raw...yet. Coming from a farm and being exposed to fresh produce all the time, and then coming to the city, has me in culture shock ... because the rest of the world is different.

I take care of disabled people and it is hard to watch them eat junk food diets and not think anything of it. I try to share about the beauty of mangoes and canteloupes where I am able .. but lately am a bit too pushy and have to back away and just allow people to be who they are, regardless of its effect, and just focus on me and my health. I have had omnivores push their thing on steak on me, too. To which, I have to respond that I don't feel the need to defend what I eat, and I feel really good when I eat it, so why are you discussing this with me. Some of us are more tolerant than others... I admire you for that. Part of judgment and criticism comes from having an US vs THEM attitude. It's good to remember that we are all human together .. and that no diet is perfect, and that we are all different in our needs and desires.

abundancia2007

[lissomllama]

There's a balance to be struck between using your intuition/gut instinct and implicitly believing what people tell you without the slightest demand for actual proof.


I don't doubt the benefits of raw food.

But some of the stuff some raw fooders come out with really amuses me:

"Since going raw my sex drive has REALLY decreased, must be some sort of an internal/emotional CLEANSING and PURIFICATION, now I'm not like those LUSTFUL, ravenous meat eaters!!"

"My taste buds have REALLY transformed, pizza tastes like cardboard to me, whilst raw broccoli tastes better than ice cream!!!"


Yeah right!!! Can anyone say placebo ?!!

Actually, most people report an increase in satisfaction with their sex lives due to raw. I know it has enhanced mine a lot! :D There is almost nothing as sexual and lustful as fresh, juicy, ripe produce from the earth. Mmm.

And The tastebuds DO change quite a bit. I know that broccoli does sound better to me now than pizza, taste and all. That takes time though.

[Guppy]

kellibelli - Some folks get excited about stirring people up. They just like the attention. The easiest way to make them go away is just to ignore them. That's what the "ignore this person's posts" button is for. I use it a lot! :D

Btw, Sharon, I agree with ya!

emily

[kellibelli]

Thanks for the "ignore button" info...I think that will solve my problem with this particular negative person's postings. :)

[Sharon in Colorado]

Thanks for the "ignore button" info...I think that will solve my problem with this particular negative person's postings. :)

Or you could put your hands over your ears and sing... LA LA LA LA

Well, I guess it would have to be your eyes, lol. :p

[MagicalDaze]

When I go raw for long periods of time, and then look at or have pizza (because it's around me or it's a social occasion), then it does seem pretty gross. I cannot yet say the same about broccoli vs. ice cream. I am working on trying to like broccoli. I did have some Soy Ice Cream today though with a friend. I do what I can do, indulge an occasional craving if I need to, and then go with my gut and intuition to see if that food I indulged in is one that my body wants or not. However, yes, some comments from some raw fooders are amusing. Further down on the page there was a comment from someone about decreased sex drive with raw food. My nonexistent sex drive comes back when I go all raw and also when I strengthen adrenal and thyroid glands. To each their own.

abundancia2007


If I may ask, how do U go about strengthening your adrenal & thyroid glands? Many thanks!

[abundancia2007]

There are, I am sure, a number of methods.

What works for me:

FOR ADRENALS - WHAT WORKS FOR ME
Drenatrophin, from Standard Process (spinelife carries it, and you don't have to talk to a nurse or get doc permission). It's an adrenal glandular that nourishes the adrenal glands and trains them to be healthy, but does not make them dependent on it. When they are strong enough, you will know, and you will want to get off of it, and you will be fine. The glandular is made from some minerals and the bovine (cow) adrenal. Standard Process has been in business 75 years and they test what they use, and don't use product from countries with BSE. Adrenal drugs like Cortef can be dangerous because once you get on them your body becomes dependent because it stops making its own hormones, and then if you got off of them you could die. I have been on Drenatrophin a few times, but have not been on it for maybe a year?? I don't even know. I have finally reached a homeostasis where my raw food and good habits is maintaining them.

FOR ADRENALS - WHAT I HAVE NOT TRIED
There are herbs like ginseng, and even more than that, but I haven't tried it. Licorice root is suggested by some for it, but it has cautions attached to it for blood pressure and stuff like that, so I never really got into it.

FOR THYROID - WHAT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME BUT MAY WORK FOR OTHERS

Tried Thytrophin - made by Standard Process because my naturopathic doctor told me to. Didn't work.

Tried SP Green Foods - made by Standard Process, because my naturopathic doctor told me to. Didn't work.

Tried eating a half pound of dulse over several days. Didn't do a thing.


FOR THYROID - WHAT WORKED FOR ME

Barleygreen (with kelp) ... now it is called BarleyLife. It is from AIM.

Recently, Powerhouse 32 - from Rainbow Acres, will do it for me. It is more obscure as only the manufacturer sells it. I found it in google, buried deep in it. It's cheaper and a bit tastier than Barleygreen, although Barleygreen I didn't feel was too bad.

FOR THYROID - WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY

I'd like to try just kelp alone and see what it does.



I ran into a site that says that the pH balance has to be nearly perfect before iodine absorbs properly and that's when I solved my low thyroid of several years. If I don't keep at it, it goes low again, because it depends on me having a nearly perfect alkalinity AND having organic iodine from kelp. If I am missing either one, I plunge in temperature to 96 degrees or even to 94.8.

I would give you the URL to that site where I got the information, but in my excitement of joining this site a couple days ago and reading tons of posts, I haven't exactly read the rules yet, so I don't know if we are allowed to give out an informational website.

abundancia2007

[misslinda]

Speaking of Adrenal glands,

Maca root is used to balance adrenals wether under working or over worked.

In the long run, when we are raw, we balance out. :)

[abundancia2007]

Speaking of Adrenal glands,

Maca root is used to balance adrenals wether under working or over worked.

In the long run, when we are raw, we balance out. :)

MissLinda,
Thank you sooo much for mentioning that to me. I have been hearing about Maca everywhere as I am researching raw..don't even know what it is but I will find out now. I did not know it could be used for that -- COOL. The Drenatrophin works, but having been raised vegetarian, and now attempting to be all raw, I would like a better alternative when I need an adrenal boost...I don't like the thought of killing animals for any reason. And I second guess myself for even mentioning a glandular on a raw site - could be considered waaaay off topic or just sooo non-raw (I have no idea how they make it) but I was asked.
I have been feeling lately through body intuition that I did not want to pop a pill - even a natural one - for adrenal maintenance. Here it is. Maca will be in my diet soon as I am able to.
I am currently not taking anything for maintenance just seeing how my body does with my newfound health WITHOUT taking anything except good, raw food. Also, am trying to prove to an email friend that if she would eat raw then she would not have to worry about getting well -- even the gland issues. So I do agree with you -- that raw will balance things out. I only took the glandulars due to doctor orders because I had a severe case of adrenal insufficiency that prevented me from working.

abundancia2007

[MagicalDaze]

Abundancia2007 & Misslinda, thank U both for all the helpful info!