Cleaning house?

[daisyduke]

For the past couple of weeks, I have been eating a lot of greens. I haven't changed much about what I eat, just added more greens. I still exercise for at least an hour (or more) in the morning and walk for about 1.5 hours at night. I've been more tired than usual and a little more emotional as well. I also gained 5 pounds. I can't even begin to guess why, considering I've kept mostly everything the same (haven't eaten any overt fats at all - no nuts, avos, seeds, etc.) Do you think my body may just be cleaning house a little more and the weight will be released when it's ready? Has this every happened to you? Have you ever gained weight during a detox? Thanks (these extra five pounds are driving me nuts)!

[PATH301]

How long have you been RAW?
being raw has more benefits than just losing weight. Also with you work out routine and the amount of greens your eating you most likely have gained muscle weight. Don't be so hard on yourself. - check your actual body parts for size increase and decrease = waist size?
hip size?
thighs - calfs - biceps - neck - etc.... this will be your ultimate information not the scale :D

[daisyduke]

I've been raw since January of this year. I don't think it's muscle weight. The best bodybuilders in the world are lucky to gain one pound of muscle weight a month. It must be water because I doubt it's fat either. I just am frustrated with five pounds!

[PATH301]

daisyduke,

I've been raw since January of this year. I don't think it's muscle weight. The best bodybuilders in the world are lucky to gain one pound of muscle weight a month. It must be water because I doubt it's fat either. I just am frustrated with five pounds!
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The best bodybuilders in the world are lucky to gain one pound of muscle weight a month
_ this is incorrect statement, I have friends who are body builders and who are personal trainers who can gain muscle rapidly in one month, several pounds!

[daisyduke]

Dr. Graham has said before that gaining a pound of actual muscle in one month is very difficult. Maybe your friends gain weight, but some of it might be water, not actual muscle.

[PATH301]

Who is Dr.Graham, What is his back ground? his he ever lifted weights and competed or is he just book and teacher feed knowledge. I don't have time here to go into this today. But if neccessary, I can. But yes a person can add and loose water weight. But also if you understand proper natural body fueling methods and have muscle memory practices then it is possible to gain substanial muscle weight in one month.

[misslinda]

Who is Dr.Graham, What is his back ground? his he ever lifted weights and competed or is he just book and teacher feed knowledge.


hee hee, ugh....Path, you've been here long enough to know who Dr Graham is.......btw, http://www.foodnsport.com/joomla/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=122&Itemid=26

[daisyduke]

About Dr. Graham
Written by Administrator
Tuesday, 23 November 2004

Dr. Douglas Graham, a lifetime athlete and twenty-seven year raw fooder, is an advisor to world-class athletes and trainers from around the globe. He has worked professionally with top performers from almost every sport and every field of entertainment, including such notables as tennis legend Martina Navratilova, NBA pro basketball player Ronnie Grandison, track Olympic sprinter Doug Dickinson, pro women's soccer player Callie Withers, championship bodybuilder Kenneth G. Williams, Chicken Soup for the Soul coauthor Mark Victor Hansen, and actress Demi Moore.

As owner of a fasting retreat in the Florida Keys for ten years, Dr. Graham personally supervised thousands of fasts. He was in private practice as a chiropractor for twenty years, before retiring to focus more fully on his writing and speaking.

Dr. Graham is the author of many books on raw food and health including The High Energy Diet Recipe Guide, Nutrition and Athletic Performance, Grain Damage, and the forthcoming books, Prevention and Care of Athletic Injuries and The 80/10/10 Diet. He has shared his strategies for success with audiences at more than 4,000 presentations worldwide. Recognized as one of the fathers of the modern raw movement, Dr. Graham is the only lecturer to have attended and given keynote presentations at all of the major raw events in the world for each of the last eight years.

Dr. Graham has served on the board of governors of the International Association of Professional Natural Hygienists and the board of directors of the American Natural Hygiene Society. He is a founder of and is currently serving his third term as President of Healthful Living International, the world's only international Natural Hygiene organization. He is on the board of advisors of Voice for a Viable Future, Living Light Films, Vegetarian Union of North America, and EarthSave International and serves as nutrition advisor for the magazine Exercise, For Men Only. Dr. Graham is the raw foods and fitness advisor for VegSource.com, the largest vegetarian website on the internet. He taught the Health Educator program at Hippocrates Institute, served as the "source authority" for Harmonious Living, and authors a column for the magazines Get Fresh! and Living Nutrition.

Dr. Graham is the creator of "Simply Delicious" cuisine and director of Health and Fitness Weeks, which provide Olympic-class training and nutrition for people of all fitness levels in beautiful settings around the world. He will inspire, motivate, educate, and entertain you like no one else in the health movement can.

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[misslinda]

For the past couple of weeks, I have been eating a lot of greens. I haven't changed much about what I eat, just added more greens. I still exercise for at least an hour (or more) in the morning and walk for about 1.5 hours at night. I've been more tired than usual and a little more emotional as well. I also gained 5 pounds. I can't even begin to guess why, considering I've kept mostly everything the same (haven't eaten any overt fats at all - no nuts, avos, seeds, etc.) Do you think my body may just be cleaning house a little more and the weight will be released when it's ready? Has this every happened to you? Have you ever gained weight during a detox? Thanks (these extra five pounds are driving me nuts)!


How long have you been 100% raw? what is your health history?

this is quite common where some people will gain usually no more than 5-6 pounds. There is a whole list of details in the body that is being healed,cleaned,detoxed etc. Are you having regular bm's?

It's important to rest if you feel tired. It's during rest that your body can do some amazing things!

[daisyduke]

Hi Miss Linda! I have been raw since January of this year. I honestly feel like this might be another detox, just a lighter one. I almost feel like I'm getting the stuffy head, runny nose thing and then it goes away. I am just very tired. I have taken your advice and did not workout today. I just rested (even though feeling very guilty about it). I have no medical history that is notable. Yes, regular bm's. Maybe it is just more detox?

[PATH301]

misslinda,
I read through the link that you gave me on Dr.Graham.
But I have yet to find where on this page that he, ( Dr. Graham ),says: " said before that gaining a pound of actual muscle in one month is very difficult, but some of it might be water, not actual muscle " - per daisyduke

daisyduke,
does he say this in a book or is it on his website somewhere?
My trainer and some of his body builder's friends are now all curious to determine what his conclusions were on this matter along?
Can you please show me where this is for clarification? - thankyou :D

[luckitri]

Maybe our bodies wish to hold weight because they know winter is coming. I have been tired also and having BO and warm flashes and chest pain.

[misslinda]

Path, I thought Daisy was speaking in terms of her own situation as far it not being muscle weight. But, from what I understand with RAW lifestyle, b/c the old body (lean muscles and tissue) is built from SAD foods or overloaded toxins, there is a "sloughing" or breakdown of the old tissue in order to rebuild tissue/muscle on plant nutrients. I'd imagine the process is more "challenging" or time enduring b/c detox is a part of this new body.

As far as what Dr Graham says about this topic, I don't know.

I found 2 sites that disucss raw foods and gaining muscle weight.



excerpt from
http://www.rawfoods.com/articles/bodybuilder.html
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Does the raw-food eater have an advantage over the cooked-food eater in terms
>of building muscles?

An immeasurable advantage. Building a body with cooked-food nutrition is similar to blowing up a balloon; sooner or later the balloon will deflate. Muscles "blown up" with cooked food and other unnatural substances will eventually atrophy and "deflate." Most fitness experts and body-builders atrophy and wear down pre-maturely. Muscles built on raw-food nutrition last much longer, because they are naturally built. I compare building your body with cooked food to building a brick wall without any mortar. There's no foundation there.


Stormey 56 yr old ---raw vegan athlete and body builder for 30 years

http://thegardendiet.com/aboutmuscle.html


;)

[misslinda]

I wonder if the misunderstanding between what Daisy is saying and what you are asking is this.......


On a raw food diet, one would need to intake a good portion of nutrients to maxamize muscle growth. let's face it, most of us don't even eat that much---look at our journals. It's kinda like in the SAD world, drink this "whey/creatine shake," gain mass real fast.......in the raw world, I'd imagine intaking lots of greens and other food sources can be challenging as well. But then again, I could be wrong all together :p

[daisyduke]

Dr. Graham has stated this in one of his teleconferences that I purchased a CD of. It is called The Perfect Health series. He posts a lot on the vegsource website (under raw and sports). You could post your question there, and I'm sure he or someone else would be glad to answer for you! Maybe I'll post it now and then I'll post his response here.

[daisyduke]

Okay I posted it. I'll let you know his response!

[misslinda]

Great idea Daisy! Thanks for doing that :)

[daisyduke]

Here's his response:

For people who have already built muscle, building more is a LOT of work. For beginners, it is relatively easy to build muscle, if they are willing to do the work, but most people who don't have much muscle also aren't interested in doing the work involved.
So either way, the pound a month rule tends to work fairly well, except at the very beginning stages of a serious bodybuilding program...
Dr D

[misslinda]

Here's his response:

For people who have already built muscle, building more is a LOT of work. For beginners, it is relatively easy to build muscle, if they are willing to do the work, but most people who don't have much muscle also aren't interested in doing the work involved.
So either way, the pound a month rule tends to work fairly well, except at the very beginning stages of a serious bodybuilding program...
Dr D

Did he happen to mention what the "work" involved. I'd imagine it will be a increase in nutrition (food) and the right kinds. Exercise of the right kind obviously is a given........

Wait, sounds like he is talking about the increase in muscle masss instead.

Path are you referring to lean muscle gain or muscle size as in bodybuilding?

[PATH301]

Well it's both, based off what she said at the start of this thread, on the 3rd post:

I've been raw since January of this year. I don't think it's muscle weight. The best bodybuilders in the world are lucky to gain one pound of muscle weight a month. It must be water because I doubt it's fat either. I just am frustrated with five pounds!

I'm not mad or anything so I hope your not taking this the wrong way, but according to this statement:

Here's his response:

For people who have already built muscle, building more is a LOT of work. For beginners, it is relatively easy to build muscle, if they are willing to do the work, but most people who don't have much muscle also aren't interested in doing the work involved.
So either way, the pound a month rule tends to work fairly well, except at the very beginning stages of a serious bodybuilding program...
Dr D
the bold area, seems just to be from only a certain perspective. Because my trainer who's been working out and training and teaching people for over 20 years, is able to increase his muscle weight/ girth/ and leanness anytime he wants to. But according to the information from above this is very hard to do.
So who's correct? Both just different learning perspectives. I believe that a person can always learn new things :D Thanks for all your input and assistance daisyduke and misslinda.

[misslinda]

But I still don't understand what Graham is saying about "work involved." :confused:

Path and anyone else, I thought it was more "challenging" to gain mass and lean muscle tissue with raw b/c of the natural process of detox and the natural process to allow the new tissue to grow on non-animal sources???

Okay, I missed that statement about "the best body builders gaining one pound etcetc" It is possible but I think it is [more] challenging on raw????

Anyone?

;)