Garlic is bad??!!

[Seren]

GARLIC - TOXIC SHOCK! Reprinted from Nexus Feb/Mar 2001

The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion
penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a
specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We
discovered this, much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc)
was the world's largest manufacturer of ethical EEG feedback
equipment.

We'd have people come back from lunch that looked
clinically dead on an encephalograph, which we used to
calibrate their progress. "Well, what happened?" "Well, I
went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in
my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they
wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we were wasting
their time, their money and my time.

I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight
tests...I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's
group in the 1950's. The flight surgeon would come around
every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any
garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because
it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three
times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops
of garlic."

Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned
the Alpha-Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back
equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises
your brain waves.

So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they
found that it's a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on
your foot - a you can smell it shortly later on your wrists.
So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot
like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the
barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain.

Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't
want to use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of
insects.

Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is
good for you, and we put those people in the same class of
ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century
would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to
their babies to put'em to sleep.

If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or
attention deficit disorder, they can't quite focus on the
computer in the after-noon, just do an experiment - you owe
it to yourselves. Take these people off garlic and see how
much better they get, very very shortly. And then let them
eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They'll say "My
God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems."
And this includes the de-skunked garlic's, Kyolic, some of
the other products.

Very unpopular, but I've got to tell you the truth.

Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at
the Whole Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996, Nexus
Magazine.


This was posted in an email to me by Roger Haeske, what do people think about this? I don't wanna give up garlic!! It adds flavour to my life!!

Seren xXx

[Alba]

yikesss....
I HATE garlic and rarely eat it if possible, but I've taken Kyolic for some time now - which I will stop doing immedeately! :eek:
Love alba

geezzz,,,,, you just never know do you?

[Seren]

Aaargh I know I love garlic!! *cries at the thought of never having it again* :( lol Oh well, life's a biatch!!

Seren xXx

[Spectatrix]

Hrm, this sounds suspicious to me. The only mention of "sulphone hydroxyl" I can find is from copies of this article and critiques of it.

[Seren]

Hmm I don't know what to believe!! Maybe we should do an experiment...

[lavendarJ]

I'm eating garlic. I believe it to be very beneficial. Everyone of the elders that I know that lived past 100 took garlic by the cloves (one lady had 2 or 3 cloves with every she ate and didn't have any health problems or require any medicine and remained mentally alert until she left this world. There is so much yay and nay out here that it is hard to know what to believe. I'm saying yay for garlic.

[SedonaSun]

http://www.1to1vitamins.com/questions/2006/17565.html

Of course, who's to say which one is right and which is wrong. And just because garlic penetrates the body, does that make it a poison?

Good grief, I used to put garlic in everything--several cloves of it--and never felt de-syncronized or intoxicated or anything.

Remember, you've got people (McD's) telling you that Chicken McNuggies are good food for your kids. People saying it does not make it true... if you're concerned or curious, try it for yourself. Garlic hasn't killed you yet, so what harm will a little experiment do?

And let's not forget all those smart doctors who say you NEED meat for protein and milk for calcium. I'm sure they have "scientific studies" to back up their findings, too.

:eek:

[Lay-Lay]

mmm....garlic!!! Yummy!!! Article had no effect on me whatsoever, but thank you so much for sharing.

[Veganforlife]

It is an interesting article, but I disagree with it too. Garlic is very good for your blood, which supplies the brain. So, I don't know. I'm no doctor but as with anything, if it is working for you, don't change it. Different foods affect different people in different ways (whoa! That was hard typing different all those times - lol). I'm not giving it up. I love it. I feel it is very good for me. I like the link that Sedonasun posted. Yep, who's to say who's right. YOU decide what is right for you and your family.

[Draginvry]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.

I've never had any problems with garlic, so it gets my official thumbs up http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[GreenPrince]

Hmm I don't know what to believe!! Maybe we should do an experiment...OK, guys here we go:

http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html (http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html)

1. Do the test
2. Eat garlic
3. Repete the test

[light food]

I always feel my imune system kick in after I eat garlic. Homeopathy is full of minute traces of poison being used to stimulate the body, I think prescription drugs are the same way.

So my understanding would be that the minute traces of poison stimulate the immune system to clean out the poison, and while the poison is being cleaned out the whole body is cleaned out too.

It's kind of like you may drive around with a dirty car and not care until someone throws a tomato at you, so you wash off the tomato and in the process of getting the tomato off the whole car is cleaned!

[dreamrawalwz]

I used to be ok with garlic when I was more toxic, but as I travel down the raw path, go organic, and now eat mostly fruits and working down to mono eating...I react worse and worse to garlic and onions which are both excitotoxins. I can just feel it sucking the life out of my cells (yea, dramatic lol). I get all the symptoms of a sinus infection within 5-10 minutes of consuming them. Drainage, conjestion, upset stomach, just over all "i wanna die, blah" feeling....my body is trying to detoxing SOMETHING out of me after I consume garlic and onions.

[Seren]

The link sedona sun posted was good. Roger Haeske says a lot of strange things, so Im not sure if he is trustworthy. He says not to eat something if you can't make a whole meal out of it(like garlic, or herbs etc). Why not?

Seren xXx

[juliebove]

I used to be ok with garlic when I was more toxic, but as I travel down the raw path, go organic, and now eat mostly fruits and working down to mono eating...I react worse and worse to garlic and onions which are both excitotoxins. I can just feel it sucking the life out of my cells (yea, dramatic lol). I get all the symptoms of a sinus infection within 5-10 minutes of consuming them. Drainage, conjestion, upset stomach, just over all "i wanna die, blah" feeling....my body is trying to detoxing SOMETHING out of me after I consume garlic and onions.

I eat onions in some form or another every day. I love them! Garlic is another matter. I didn't test as allergic to it, yet it makes me very ill. I can manage one clove of it in a large recipe of something, but any more than that and I'm doubled over with stomach pain. Plus I can't stand the taste of it.

[eatyourbroccoli]

PERSONALLY..garlic doesnt sit well with my digestive track.

neither do onions, chives, or any herbs/spices etc.

gabriel cousens mentioned somewhere about how all of the above only aggravate our bodies and should be avoided. i think i read that in a brochure for his program when it began discussing the food that would be served at his school.

i dunno though. i like garlic. just dont seem to be able to handle it. usually when i cant handle things its because theyre a possible allergen or toxin (chemicals, dairy, gluten, nuts..)

but every body's different :)

[Dimond]

Bah Hum Bug

[rawbeliever]

I recently crushed garlic for a salad. A moment later I felt this terrible burning sensation on the inside of my forearm. I looked down, and a piece of the crushed garlic had landed on it. it was burning my skin. I quickly washed it off with water, but it left a little red welt. I love garlic, but I decided that wasn't a good sign and stopped consuming it. Also, during times when I have been eating closer to Dr. Graham's 8/1/1 diet, I've found that garlic upsets my stomach. So it may be better to eat it with more fats, if you're going to eat it.

[GreenPrince]

We were building biofeed-back
equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises
your brain waves.
Interesting. In the authentic indian yoga tradition the yogis don't eat garlic, onion or mushroom.

Perhaps a similar effect af raw onion on reaction time and brain waves?
On the other hand... who needs a rapid reaction time on the web... :)

[Spectatrix]

OK, guys here we go:

http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html (http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html)

1. Do the test
2. Eat garlic
3. Repete the test
1. Before: 0.2264 second average
2. Ate about half a table spoon of garlic, washed down with water.
3. After: 0.2202 second average

My reaction time was actually faster after garlic (though barely). I'll try again in a few minutes just in case it takes a while for the garlic to kick in and "desynch" my brain waves.

[Spectatrix]

25 minutes after consuming the garlic, my reaction time was 0.2242 seconds. Looks like this warning is bunk, at least for me.

[Lay-Lay]

Thanks Spectatrix for being our own guinea pig, ;)

[Spectatrix]

Haha, no problem!

[ambiguous]

http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html (http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html)

1. Do the test
2. Eat garlic
3. Repete the test[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I suspect this is a better test of your PC/network connection speed than your brain . . .

[Sharon in Colorado]

Yes - there used to be quite a few discussions on another pro Natural Hygiene board about garlic and onions, how some compounds effect the brain's functions, and how some would eat them and have nightmares.

I wish there was more info on it. Whenever I google about garlic or onions there is never any information like that.

Years ago when I had a bad yeast infection and used elephant garlic cloves at night (down yonder), I would taste it minutes after depositing them.

[MagicalDaze]

I wonder if the effects are different in cooked diet vs. raw? Plus, maybe even a difference if just the garlic itself is raw vs. cooked?

[Draginvry]

Sorry, but I suspect this is a better test of your PC/network connection speed than your brain . . .

Unlikely, the program is running its own applet.

Plus, if it was sending packets, I find it very unlikely that I'd have a reaction time of .22 seconds, because that means that my real reaction time would be .16 seconds after factoring out ping.

[Angeline]

I looked up what Dr. Gabriel Cousens had to say about garlic in his book "Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine" and this is what he had to say verbatim.

" Garlic and onions are well known for their powerful cleansing and regenerative properties (because they contain high amounts of organic sufur). However, their use at the Tree of Life Cafe is minimized because they tend to disrupt the balance between the left and right side of the brain. This disturbance leads to an agitated mind-state that hinders the practice of meditation. On occasion, minimal quantities may be used to balance the flavors in a recipe. Hing (asefetida) is recommended as a garlic/onion replacement. "

I personally love the taste of garlic in my recipes, especially in sauces and crackers. I have tried to minimize the amount I use. If I plan on having a night of meditating I don't use garlic. I wonder how long lasting the effects of this balance between the left and right side of the brain last. If it's temporary there are many benefits to eating garlic because of the amino acid cysteine, and high amount of suphur. I remember reading a research article about garlic where a soviet doctor identified what he called vitamin x that blocks the absorption of radioactive isotopes. Garlic helped draw out the isotopes in cancer patients who had been treated with radiation therapy.

I think it's a balance between good and bad, but I tend to think that there is more benefits to garlic.

[Seren]

I think my conclusion to all this is to just have it in moderation. Ah well, at least Im not completely missing out. Its really great all the information that you have all found. Thanks!

Love Seren xXx

[Tirza]

Funny, after reading this thread, I was thinking about it periodically since then. I just made something that had a clove of garlic in it and I got this funny feeling that I recognized from before...Sort of a congested feeling right around my eyes and in the very front of my head. This happens all the time when I eat garlic.
I hear that garlic crosses the brain barrier. Well, it feels like it. But is that necessarily a bad thing? Maybe the BENEFITS cross over as well? It is a funny feeling though.

[MagicalDaze]

Don't know about the "brain function" aspect, but I had been read numerous times that the only "toxic" part of the garlic was the sprout through the center of each clove. I have been removing that part, thinking that I was eliminating the toxicity.............

[luckitri]

Hmmm, I have always bought into the time-honored lore that garlic heals. My grandmothers longevity and vitality was attributed to raw garlic. Never heard of a toxic part of garlic. If I am unsure I like to subject it to the dog test. They eat it cooked and won't eat it raw.

[Davylp25]

I lovvvveee Garlic.... Even when I meditate.

[Satyr]

I am a lover and infatuated student of herbalism and what would be called theophagy which I hope to be completing a book on in time. I have come to respect all natural foods as powerful medecines, allies, and sources of divine pleasure. But it must be kept in mind that each plant or being in this world has a specific purpose and power. Garlic is a powerful one for sure! Generally garlic can be associated with the Goddess Hecate' of magick, sexuality, and power.
When taken or used it will concentrate one's energy around the base chakra area and personally I find it to actually polarize my crown and root chakras so that it feels as if blood is thumping and pumping almostwith an uncomfortable pressure at both ends, my crown and root.
It is potent though and will aggravate and burn sensitive tissues of the body. For this reason it is best used infrequently for specific medicinal or magickal purposes. If you have a wart... just slice a clove in half and leave it on the wart for a minute and be careful not to leave it on much longer! It will actually burn off the wart but can cause surrounding skin to blister just like if you had dripped hot oil on your skin and got burnt! It can have the same effect internally and for this reason is a class A herb to rid oneself of parasites but it will burn and desensitize your delicate internal tissues with extended use. This would also include the dulling of mental and emotional sensitivity , response, and faculties. Perhaps kind of like listening to really loud music all the time , or sitting next to the ocean in a loud storm... pretty soon you become less able to pick up on or tune into more gentle and subtle tones even when it's quiet. That's why garlic is considered bad for meditation.. it turns up the volume so loud!
Namaste,
Satyr

[Narz]

Sounds like a load of garbage to me, perpetuated by the Natural Hygeine people because it helps make their beliefs look more valid. Unfortunatly for them, their source is no more reliable than they are.

Want to really "know the truth", read real research papers about them : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=studies+on+garlic. Don't just take some crackpots word for it. Or even better, disprove the claims for yourself as Spectatrix did.

Roger Haeske is a swell guy to meet but I would never take advice from him (or pay him for any product).

[Sharon in Colorado]

Sounds like a load of garbage to me, perpetuated by the Natural Hygeine people because it helps make their beliefs look more valid. Unfortunatly for them, their source is no more reliable than they are.

Want to really "know the truth", read real research papers about them : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=studies+on+garlic. Don't just take some crackpots word for it. Or even better, disprove the claims for yourself as Spectatrix did.

Roger Haeske is a swell guy to meet but I would never take advice from him (or pay him for any product).

There is no need to make this personal. You could have put the links up without the derogatory commentary. Some people here practice natural hygiene and that was insulting.

[Sunshine9]

I think garlic is a matter of personal opinion. It IS one of the most powerful herbs, and can massively assist in cleansing the body, especially during a parasite cleanse or in the case of a virus or bacteria. It also is unbalancing. I just listen to my body. Some days I crave that hot fire to cleanse my bloodstream, and other days I prefer to maintain a mellow spiritual connection.

It's definitely not toxic though... just a matter of personal opinion.

[luckitri]

When I feel like having a juiced garlic mixed in with my kale and other stuff - I am still going to do it!

[Sharon in Colorado]

I have to say I do enjoy the taste and smell of it - not so much the smell of it coming out of body or breath though.

[Seren]

Roger Haeske is a swell guy to meet but I would never take advice from him (or pay him for any product).

What's your reason for this? I'd like to find out as Im not sure whether to believe a lot of the things he says.

Seren xXx

[Narz]

There is no need to make this personal. You could have put the links up without the derogatory commentary. Some people here practice natural hygiene and that was insulting.
I apologize if you were insulted. I was referring to the flawed thought process of it's proponents not necessarily of it's followers (who may not have been exposed to opposing viewpoints).


What's your reason for this? I'd like to find out as Im not sure whether to believe a lot of the things he says.

Seren xXx
I'm met him in person and he's a nice guy but I also know what his beliefs are in regards to diet and I disagree with them therefore I would not spend money for what I don't believe is accurate, scientific information. Also, I could get similar information from any other natural hygiene book (or free website) out there. They are all pretty much the same.

[MaryWalker]

I love garlic too! However, I do believe it makes your brain a bit "foggy" as does onion. I'm always a little foggy anyways, so, down the hatch!

[Sharon in Colorado]

That is okay Narz, I was thinking about some of the other folks on this site. There are many ways people do raw here.

[musicalfruit]

The link sedona sun posted was good. Roger Haeske says a lot of strange things, so Im not sure if he is trustworthy. He says not to eat something if you can't make a whole meal out of it(like garlic, or herbs etc). Why not?

Seren xXx
I could make a meal outa garlic, roasted garlic, (I know, not raw!) but it is so sweet and wonderful when roasted :(

[mongomango]

Garlic is an antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal. Things like MRSA (hard to treat staph infection) that the doctors are now having so much trouble healing as it resists antibiotics...and which has resulted in deaths and amputations...are killed almost instantly in a petri dish with garlic. Nothing has built up an immunity to the natural healing herbs...and I don't believe anything ever will as they encompass the whole of the herb and all it's synergistic elements, rather than components of something as scientists isolate for antibiotics and supplements. I feel it's a rather good thing to have in the bloodstream.

The Roman legion (soldiers) had garlic as a part of their pay, and they would strike if they didn't get it. The belief was that it strengthened them.

The healing properties of garlic are only activated when the garlic is crushed or chopped. The crushing or chopping..or chewing...causes the enzyme alliinase to interact with the chemical alliin to create allicin...and allicin is the anti-bacterial, fungal, viral element in garlic. Allicin doesn't have a long shelf life...cooking and oxidation will render it useless, so it must be used quickly.

Aside from the above attributes, it is a stellar antioxidant. Here is a link that describes some of the benefits of garlic.

http://www.botanical.com/site/by_you/article_greatprotector/garlic.html

Heh, heh...when I first learned this stuff many years ago I thought oh great! I loved the taste of cooked garlic, so thought raw would be a snap. I took a big clove and popped it in my mouth and started chewing! hahaha...it took the skin right off my lips and mouth. Now, I gave it to the lesser half(joke)..and he could eat it without this happening to him, so it's probably a function of skin type...I am very fair with thin skin...but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone was so inclined to do what I did.

[Gosia]

3 years ago I would argue with anyone who would say anything against garlic. In my cooked days, I loved plain bread with butter and loads of garlic, and did not mind people closing their noses next to me. These days I find garlic irritating and opt for foods that both taste nice and are gentle on my senses. Wanna call it garbage from natural hygiene? Feel free. I call it spontaneously sensible. Flawed??? Perhaps to those who do not understand the idea. To me, the concept of eating only things that are gentle on my senses makes perfect sense. Of course, I do not mind whatever anyone else is eating. :)

Gosia

(By the way, real research does not contain the truth, but rather the summary of what the researchers currently understand about the world, which changes as the body of work grows. People tend to think that scientists are gurus, but the reality is far from it. And this is coming from a scientist ha ha ha.)

[Sharon in Colorado]

A while back I had done a spontaneously silly thing at the Whole Foods salad bar. There was roasted garlic cloves and all I could think was "yummy"...and loaded up my salad with several spoonfuls of the stuff.

I had some kind of function going on the next day and I had this stuff coming out of my pores in a bad, bad way! I remember posting about this asking for feedback on how to get rid of the stench. I think DH slept in the other room or something, LOL! Anyway, I was downing ACV cocktails, parsley, apples, tons of water, taking hot showers, trying to sweat it out, etc. It wasn't pleasant!

[Pansy]

Why is it that when someone (which we don't even know) says something we take for granted to be the truth.....there are alot of versions of the truth out there!

Why not check it out for yourself and take some responsibility for self to search out the truth for YOU!!! and not take someone else's word for it!

If you like garlic and feel great eating it...it's may be good for you....experiment with this!

Blessings,

Pansy

[PDMagnusen]

Pansy, I couldn't agree with you more...