Spinach Scam E.coli? here's an answer

[wyjoz]

Can you believe all this stupidity about the contaminated spinach,
because a bird might have flown over and dropped on a spinach plant?


PLEASE people wake up and think clearly!!!!!!!!!!


There is no proof of anything! Joz here: news states it's from the cows!
One person supposedly died and 93 more got sick in eight different states????
What is that supposed to mean?
About 500.000 people die each year because of wrong treatments in hospitals!
That's about 41.667 people each month and about 1,389 people every day!
So what is more dangerous?
Who knows from what these people really got sick when "they say" that it was caused by bagged spinach and salad?
Even the hospitals did not confirm and can't say for sure why these people got sick.

Since most bodies contain e-coli bacteria naturally, of course they can grow and multiply
if the immune system is weak. One can easily come to the conclusion that these bacteria
must have come from a food source.
And then of course you need your medication (as doctors say!).


Ursula's opinion:


These is a scam! Just like last year with the raw almonds!
Now is harvesting time for all the farmers and their best crops in years.
Can you imagine the damage and financial loss to the farmers?
We have to thank all the farmers, especially small farmers, for all their work growing our foods!
Would you want only the giants to rule the market and only depend on them?
Who is behind all this?
Does it sound like "they" want to hurt farmers?
Or even get small farmers out of the way so that large farmers buy up the land
and create another monopoly?
Do they want to push all the organic farmers off the market?


As LA Times wrote today: The company farm Natural Selection Foods who packages
spinach for more than 30 companies was investigated and is still ongoing,
but nothing could be found and nothing can be proved!


Sounds like the same scam as the bird flu, doesn't it?, where hundreds of thousands
of chickens and other poultry got killed.
Sounds ridiculous, like any other scare and fear tactic.
Possibilities of contamination seem to "them": Dust blowing over fields, droppings from birds
who have eaten tainted cattle droppings, contaminated floodwater and workers carrying
bacteria on their hands or clothes.
Birds fly everywhere all over the world, but do they only fly in California and only over
Natural Selection Food's crops that they drop and spread E-coli?
Shall we shoot all the birds now?


The main question is here, who profits from it?
Who is the winner at the end?
There's where one has to look into.
There will be the truth!


Think logically please!:
Why is it that only the spinach is contaminated?
Does dust blow over just the spinach fields?
Do birds drop only on spinach?
What will be contaminated next?
All the lettuce, the zucchinis, tomatoes, collard greens, kale, celery etc.etc. ?
Is this a scam from the Food Industry or very paranoid people?


How did people ever eat before pesticides and chlorine?


What is now suggested, can you guess?


Of course, COOK YOUR SPINACH, don't eat anything uncooked!
Don't eat anything raw!


Of course, you might get too healthy! (ironic, isn't it?)


The number of people in America who are seeking healthier foods
and healthier life styles is rapidly increasing.
Of course if people eat healthier, they don't eat so much crap.
Does that have a financial influence on the mass production food market?
You bet it does!


Fight against this idiocy, ask for your spinach at your local market.
Support the farmers, support the Farmers Markets!!!!!!




We at the Good Mood Food Cafe eat spinach every day and none of us
ever got sick. None of our customers ever got sick from our spinach!
We are the best proof that there is something wrong in the national food picture!


If you want to start an amazing step forward into this big time food industry market,


GROW YOUR OWN PRODUCE!!!!!!


Whoever has a garden, even only a small spot or even only a patio,
try to grow as much as you can on your own.
We are so blessed with sun in California, almost everything grows here.
Use your sprinkler water not for a boring lawn, but something that makes
sense. Use it for food!
If you can't eat it all, give it to your neighbors or anybody who does not
have the chance to grow something.
Don't forget: We at the Cafe will happily take what you can't use!


Best regards, Ursula www.goodmoodfood.com

[Sharon in Colorado]

I noticed at my Whole Foods they were still selling frozen spinach.

[Doe]

It reminds me of this excerpt from Herbert Shelton's book The HYGIENIC SYSTEM:



From Europe the early American settlers had brought the idea that fruits and vegetables and, especially uncooked fruits and vegetables, were to be avoided. The New York Mirror warned, Aug. 28, 1830, that fresh fruits should be religiously forbidden to all classes and especially to children. Two years later the same paper carried the information that all fruit is dangerous and, because of the cholera epidemic city councils prohibited their sale in the cities. "Salads were to be particularly feared." Robley Dunglison, the famous physiologist of the period, appears also to have shared this view.

In August 1832 the Board of Health of Washington, D. C. prohibited, for the space of ninety days, the importation into the city of "cabbage, green corn, cucumbers, peas, beans, parsnips, carrots, egg plants, cimblings or squashes, pumpkins, turnips, water melons, cantaloupes, muskmelons, apples, pears, peaches, plums, damsons, cherries, apricots, pineapples, oranges, lemons, limes, coconuts, ice cream, fish, crabs, oysters, clams, lobsters and craw fish.

"The following articles the Board have not considered it necessary to prohibit the sale of, but even these they would admonish the community to be moderate in using: potatoes, beets, tomatoes and onions."

Beef, bacon and bread, with beer and wine were about all they left for the people of Washington to eat. The Board said that the prohibited articles, "are, in their opinion highly prejudicial to health at the present season." The Board were probably afraid that these wholesome foods would cause ague, chills, fever and even cholera.

In that very year (1832) Dr. Martyn Paine, of the New York University Medical School was arguing that garden vegetables and almost every variety of fruit had been known to develop the deadly cholera and that to avoid it the people should restrict themselves to lean meat, potatoes, milk, tea and coffee.

It was in New York City in 1832, the very year that the cities were prohibiting the sale of fruits and vegetables because they cause cholera, that Graham launched his attack upon the false beliefs concerning fruits and vegetables and endeavored to induce Americans and, indeed, the world, to eat more fruits and vegetables and cease eating animal foods.

Graham not only challenged the view that fruits and vegetables cause cholera and that plenty of meat and wine will prevent it; but he declared that a diet of fruits and vegetables with entire abstinence from all alcoholics, tobacco, condiments, etc., and from all animal foods, was the best preventive of cholera.

It is interesting to note, in this connection, that Graham's first observations of the effects of diet upon health were made in Philadelphia and related to the part a vegetable diet apparently played in preventing Cholera. A small sect of Bible Christians had migrated from England to Philadelphia. These people abstained from all animal foods--flesh, eggs, milk, cheese, etc.--and from all condiments and stimulants. They used no tea, coffee, alcohol or tobacco. It was their view that flesh eating violated the first command given by God to man--the instruction to Adam that he should eat the fruit of the trees of the Garden.

Ten years before Graham lectured in Philadelphia for the Pennsylvania Temperance Society, this city had experienced a severe epidemic of cholera. There were many cases with a high death rate. Contrary to what was expected from the medical teachings of the time, not a single member of the Bible Christian Church had cholera. This fact made a deep and lasting impression upon Graham and caused him to turn his attention to the study of diet. No longer was he a mere temperance lecturer. His first series of lectures given the following year in New York were upon the causes and prevention of cholera. So radical and revolutionary did his lectures seem to the medical profession and most of the educated people of the time that it required nearly another quarter of a century for them to discard their false notions about vegetables and fruits causing cholera and concede that Graham may have been right. Fallacy dies slowly. Deep-rooted prejudices are not easily uprooted. Old habits are not quickly abandoned. The world's leaders do not like to admit that they have been wrong and have been misleading the people. They did not give up without a struggle--indeed, it may be truthfully said that they nave not given up entirely to this day.
People tend to believe what they have been taught and are sure that if the schools, the media, government, and medical profession say something it must be true. It's the same in every area of life.

Teri S

* bolded type for ease of skimming

[pinkglttr]

It seems silly to think that they are trying to "bash" small farmers, when the ones getting the pointed finger are bigtime corporations.

If anything, they are SUPPORTING small hometown farmers, where we know where the food is coming from. :confused:

[romanticsnet]

Although I do agree with everything you are saying, I should pipe in that I did get sick from the raw almonds from Costco. So.. yes while a majority of these findings may be scare tactics, I am sure that some are valid or legit. Better to be safe than sorry...and of course, SUPPORT your local organic farmer!!!!! :D

I was also wondering how that San Juan Bautista grower is supplying both organic and non-organic spinach to the middle man (Earthbound Farms etc...) It kind of makes you wonder... if perhaps th EarthBound Farm's Spinach may not be organic??? Dunno... I have heard other bad stories of the bigger organic companies who treat their animals almost as bad as the conventional or corporate factory farms.

[berrymarymac]

Two people that someone knew on a raw email group I'm in got very sick with the E. Coli strain in the bagged spinach. The Whole Foods here in Atlanta that I went to today had signs up, apologizing for the inconvenience, saying they cared about their customer's safety, etc etc.

I don't think it's a scam. I had something wity to say but cannot think of it! Bacteria is serious stuff, my dad had something from the Republic of Georgia...don't take these things lightly. And no one is just saying this because raw spinach is healthy or anything. Evenever we have a water main break...they tell us to boil our water to protect us, not hurt us!!

[Sheryl]

What I've seen in articles is that it's not even confirmed it's in spinach. They think they see a pattern from what the people ate that got sick, however have not yet identified any e coli in the spinach tested. The spinach is a hypothesis that has not been proven. That's what it seemed to say anyhow.

And from what I read EarthBound farms has been incorrectly named as the company, when in reality it's all bagged spinach.

[mongomango]

How people ate years ago isn't relevant. They went and got freshly picked things out of their gardens, or freshly harvested foods at the stores. It's a whole nother situation today.

Most ecoli infections come from dirty processing. For veggies, contaminated wash water is most often the culprit. It is filthy in many places...looks like mud or coffee. This is what agribusiness calls clean. By all means if you can grow your own or purchase from local farms, one should do so.

Now, do they want us to stop eating raw? Absolutely, I believe. There is a vast conspiracy imo to weaken the public health for various reasons, which is beyond the scope of this forum. But spinach and all veggies can get contaminated due to the processing very easily. And if there is a chance of getting sick, it is not worth eating these foods at this time.

The mega corps are BAD places to buy off of. Personally, I don't buy any bagged greens because of the increased processing it has gone through. The more people with profits on their mind touch something, the more it gets sullied. This, unfortunately, is getting harder to do as it is becoming very difficult where I live to buy greens of any sort that are not wilted and on their way to rotting.

[dreamrawalwz]

Hmm, I don't really think it's a scam as much of a skeptic I am. They did jump to conclusions with their "hypothesis" about spinach, whcih is unfortunately, but if it keeps others safe then...

As for the article, it seemed to make sense UNTIL they kinda did an ad for their company/restraunt or wahtever it was :confused: So who knows it they're scamming people or persuading them....i dunno, that's just how I read into it.

[rawnora]

Joz,
I appreciate and admire your attitude and ability to think critically! Thanks for pointing out those stats to give us a sense of perspective. These are the tiniest tip of the iceberg. The full truth about how much death and destruction are wrought by the medical profession is much, much worse, unfortunately.

This recent scare involving bagged spinach may or may not be the result of a deliberate conspiracy. I suppose it's possible but it does seem far fetched. However, the motives are not necessarily important. The point is, it is misguided and incorrect to blame sickness on contaminated spinach, because it requires us to ignore the real reasons people get sick.

It is mighty encouraging to see others not being taken in by all the nonsense. Many thanks.

With respect,
Nora
www.RawSchool.com

[Lay-Lay]

I don't think it is a scam either. The spinach is contaminated with something and were not asked to not eat it until it has been cleared. What is the big deal?

[wyjoz]

What is sad is that more people die and get sick of Ecoli contaminated milk and meat and we don't hear about those outbreaks in the news.
But sprouts and spinach! it's all over the world. And only 1 person died! That statistically counts for an epidemic? WOW! The Cholera and Boubonic plage killed thousands and thousands Hospitals kill thousands with wrong procedures wrong medication doses, bacteria, and hospital food malnutrition; that's an epidemic! I'll stop here.

How to keep E. coli from harming you
We tend to associate food poisoning with raw meat and seafood, but the latest E. coli outbreak underscores the danger of that assumption. ..

.the bacteria had not been isolated in products sold by Natural Selection Foods but that the connection was established by patient accounts of what they had eaten before becoming ill.

Joz here SOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD RARE STEAK AND OTHER FOODS that made them ill? AND A LITTLE SPINACH IN A SALAD? AND THAT CALLS FOR NATIONAL outbreak ALARM? This is beyond words! read the article in the link below;

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0916ecoli0916.html

[wyjoz]

I don't think it is a scam either. The spinach is contaminated with something and were not asked to not eat it until it has been cleared. What is the big deal?

The big deal is only one person died! and it became a national epidemic, a plague! Read the link I provided above. joz

[Lay-Lay]

I don't think it has been labeled an epidemic or plaque, but more of a precaution. One death is too many. May have been from eating meat, but nothing wrong with a little caution to be safe. Eat some homegrown or local spinach and bid yourself good health.

[Frecs]

[QUOTE=wyjoz]What is sad is that more people die and get sick of Ecoli contaminated milk and meat and we don't hear about those outbreaks in the news.
QUOTE]
I'm sorry but yes, those get reported too! The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) always reports when they see a situation such as this regardless of the item in question. There have been problems with e-coli in meat and the recall was shooted from the same rooftops as this outbreak is and just as loudly. e-coli is a very serious bacteria. Salmonella can make you miserable but it won't kill you unless you are seriously compromised immuniologically. e-coli can damage your kidneys -- permanently -- other internal organs...and kill.

Are they overdoing it a bit considering they don't know the source? Yes. All that spinach wasted and it may not even be that item. BUT, they must have had a pretty strong sense that that was the source before they filed the alert. My guess is that they are doing the hyperbole thing because there are allot of ignorant people in this country who do not know how to wash their produce. Better to tell everyone to throw it out than to hope the idiots wash it right!

Oh, and to wash your produce: equal parts vinegar to water. I'm still looking for proof that this solution kills e-coli but vinegar is a strong antibacterial.

[Melindaxl]

I ate spinach everyday! I bought the bagged spinach and had it all last week until I heard about it Friday! I didn't get sick once! I mean I ate like 5 cups a day! Spinach is my favorite green for my smoothies! I have inleast a couple of green smoothies everyday to get enough greens in me! Now it's going to be hard since I can't have any spinach. I don't care for celery in my smoothies that much! I tried turnip greens today and I decided it would be better to have with salads! Does anyone know of any other greens that taste good in smoothies with bananas? I'm really wish this didn't happen with the spinach because it really helps me with my health and taste buds!
Anyway I don't know what to believe, but like others say I rather be safe then sorry!! Everyone have a great raw day, and thanks to anyone that can help me think of another green that would taste good in my smoothies!

Melindaxl

[Sharon in Colorado]

Melinda I like parsley in my smoothies.

[Melindaxl]

Thanks Sharon, I'll try it!

[Cinnamon]

Melindaxl-I use a number of different greens in my daily smoothies including parsley as Sharon mentioned. Also, kale, collard greens, swiss chard, romaine, all sorts of leafy lettuce (love red leaf), and sometimes celery although I prefer it to be juiced.

I also ate a lot of spinach the days before the recall, so far I'm not sick either!

[Spectatrix]

I ate some spinach right before the recall too and haven't gotten sick. However, I'm sure that only a small percentage of the spinach crop was contaminated.

[rawfigure]

The big deal is only one person died! and it became a national epidemic, a plague! Read the link I provided above. joz

Putting warning signs in the grocery store and on the news is in no way an epidemic or a plaque , nor is it being portrayed that way. It is simply a RESPONSIBLE action, not a scam, not a conspiracy...so only one person died ? well lets think about that...what if the one person who died was a loved one ...and if one of your own family was sick ?

I think some are to sensitive that this is a movement against raw food, lets take it for what it is...e coli in a batch of spinach. This too will pass. If it was in a SAD food some in the Raw food movement would be running that for what it is worth. :mad:

[Sharon in Colorado]

They also say 16 people developed kidney failure.

I understand the whole germ theory, but even if you are transitioning to a raw diet or not totally clean, you cannot be sure that your body is not going to react to the bacteria. And some of us live with other family members who are not practiving an all raw lifestyle, and maybe they too are at risk.

It would be interesting to find out the health background of some of the people who got very ill and died.

[Melindaxl]

On the CBS news tonight they also showed a Organic Spinach as a brand that was contaminated! So I don't know what to believe because if it's organic it was supposed to be grown naturally without any chemicals or anything on them! It sounds like this is going to last a while because they were talking how it will be hard to trace! I hope they won't start blaming it on any other raw fruits or vegetables!
Thanks Cinnaman for your help! I"ll try those greens too! Your welcome Doe, I just wanted to let everyone know how much bagged spinach I ate all the way up until Friday night and never got sick once! It shows in my state that no one got sick by it though! So maybe we didn't get those brands in our state that might of be contaminated! Anyway like I said, I have no idea!

Melindaxl

[dreamrawalwz]

On the CBS news tonight they also showed a Organic Spinach as a brand that was contaminated! So I don't know what to believe because if it's organic it was supposed to be grown naturally without any chemicals or anything on them! It sounds like this is going to last a while because they were talking how it will be hard to trace! I hope they won't start blaming it on any other raw fruits or vegetables!
Thanks Cinnaman for your help! I"ll try those greens too! Your welcome Doe, I just wanted to let everyone know how much bagged spinach I ate all the way up until Friday night and never got sick once! It shows in my state that no one got sick by it though! So maybe we didn't get those brands in our state that might of be contaminated! Anyway like I said, I have no idea!

Melindaxl

My mom heard that they tested ALL of EArthbound Farm's spinach and found NOTHING wrong on the fields....so it's after harvesting taht's the problem. Maybe contaminated water to rinse it with?

[MangoMommy]

hey wyjoz... I was thinking on the same lines as you. If you just stop and consider the millions of people in the United States and then think of all the people who eat spinach and then realize that only 100 people got sick (the last I heard)and one died...well, that's a VERY SMALL percent.
How was it determined that without any doubt it was spinach that made these people sick? Why is it only bagged spinach and not all spinach??
I've been traveling so I haven't heard many updates... but how come it has taken so long to find out the source of the so called contamination? If it actually was the spinach, why didn't they ask the people who got sick.."what brand of spinach did you eat?
I understand the need for protecting people but I think the execution of this sort of thing could have been handled much better.

[alex]

For your consideration:


OCA Statement on Nationwide Outbreak of E-Coli Poisoning from Bagged Spinach

By Ronnie Cummins
Organic Consumers Association, Sept. 18, 2006

OCA is saddened and concerned about the nationwide outbreak of E. coli food poisoning, which, according to the press, has caused one death and serious illness among more than 100 people, apparently coming from California bagged spinach, affecting several dozen brand names, possibly both organic and non-organic. A Sept. 18 Associated Press story indicates that all contaminated lettuce detected so far has come from non-organic lettuce, though a major company involved in recalling its spinach, Natural Selection Foods, distributes both organic and non-organic brands.

According to Justin Norton from the Associated Press, "The company whose fresh spinach was linked to an E. coli outbreak that's sickened at least 109 people said its organic products had been cleared of contamination, while health officials continued working to pinpoint the bacteria source. Natural Selection Foods LLC, the country's largest grower of organic produce, said late Sunday that manufacturing codes from packages of spinach that infected patients turned over to health officials all were from non-organic spinach. Natural Selection packages both organic and conventionally grown spinach in separate areas at its San Juan Bautista plant."

Already, some agribusiness-connected websites have posted material claiming that this health emergency was caused by organic agriculture’s dependence on animal manure as fertilizer. Nothing so far has indicated that this problem is exclusively related to organic spinach nor that it has anything to do with contamination that took place in the field. The most likely explanation for this outbreak is that 90% of the nation's bagged spinach comes from one region in California, Monterey County, where a combination of excess manure, tainted with a dangerous variety of E. coli, from factory style dairy farms adjacent to spinach and lettuce farms, and above average rainfall and flooding appears to have contaminated irrigation water with E. coli-tainted animal feces, resulting in spinach plants being contaminated with E. coli. As background to this issue, the Cornucopia Institute www.Cornucopia.org has provided the following information.

1. Organic Farming Protects Humans, Livestock, and Environment from Dangerous Profit-Motivated Industrial Agricultural Practices

Over the years, right-wing think tanks (the Hudson Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Hoover Institution, etc.) have tried to discredit organic farming practices by saying that composted fertilizer containing animal manure, used as a non-chemical fertilizer on organic farms, is dangerous, when in fact there have been very few reported cases of food poisoning caused by organic products. On the other hand the Centers for Disease Control have admitted that American consumers suffer from up to 78 million cases of food poisoning (coming from conventional food) every year. Think tank funding for much of this anti-organic propaganda comes from Monsanto, DuPont, and other agrichemical manufacturers.

A study by the University of Minnesota, published in the May 2004 issue of Journal of Food Protection, concluded that there was no statistical difference between contamination in vegetables grown on conventional and organic Minnesota farms, with chemical fertilizer and composted manure, respectively.

2. Risks from industrial concentration/factory farming

According to an FDA letter to growers (November 2005): "The FDA is aware of 18 outbreaks of foodborne illness since 1995 caused by Escherichia coli 0157:H7 for which fresh or fresh cut-lettuce was implicated as the outbreak vehicle."

This is a problem that far supersedes debates about the merit of organic farming. This is a grave public health risk directly attributable to industrial-scale livestock production (factory-farming).

This agricultural area of California, where this latest contamination crisis originated, produces the majority of the country's spinach and many other fresh-market vegetables. It is contiguous to many CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) managing thousands of dairy cows each.

The combination of this concentration of a mountain of manure in a relatively small geographic area, and animal feeding practices, poses tremendous health and environmental liabilities.

E. coli and other potent pathogens are known to migrate onto neighboring farms by contamination of surface water and groundwater and/or by becoming airborne through blowing dust from feedlots or farm fields where manure has been spread.

The FDA's November 2005 letter went on to say, “E. coli O157-H7 was isolated from sediment in an irrigation canal bordering a ranch that had been identified in three separate outbreaks."

A concern is that many of the pathogens now entering the food chain due to industrial agricultural practices are becoming resistant to many antibiotics due to their widespread use in livestock production.

“To get this many people sick, it's got to be the water,” said William Marler, a Seattle attorney who is representing 25 victims of the outbreak. “Thirty years ago, if you bought contaminated lettuce or spinach, just your family would get sick. Now it’s a nationwide outbreak."

E. coli O157-H7 is a by-product of grain-based feeding to ruminants (dairy and beef cattle) in an attempt to fatten them up quicker and at a lower cost. The cow’s digestive system (and acid balance) evolved to break down grass, not high-production, refined rations. This health crisis, and past deadly problems with contaminated meat, is a direct by-product of producing cheap, unhealthy cattle.

The majority of all animal manure, as well as municipal sewage sludge (politely referred to as biosolids―human waste), in this country is spread on conventional crops. In most cases there is little regulatory oversight.

3. Organic safeguards

Unlike conventional production, the application of raw manure on organic crops is strictly regulated and sewage sludge is prohibited. Most organic manure is composted prior to application, a practice that greatly reduces risk and enhances environmental protection.

“I am a compliance officer. The USDA has looked into our farmers' composting practices―even on our smallest farm―they do check if things are not documented. Details ARE looked at. I can prove this because of an USDA audit we had that covered this issue,” said Cissy Bowman, a long-time organic certification expert based in Indiana.

It should be noted that regardless of scale, all organic food has a mandatory audit trail required, so trace-back in the event of food contamination or questions of certification are possible. This mandatory audit trail does not exist for conventional food.

4. Organic and local ― an antidote for the problems of industrial farming

Furthermore, concentrating much of the nation's food supply in any given region, and the exponential increase in imports from developing countries, puts our nation’s food security and health at risk.

There is no reason why spinach cannot be grown, much of the year, as is now being done by small and medium-sized producers in the Midwest and throughout much of the Northeast. The only reason that this is not being done on a larger scale is artificial economies, subsidies, and compromises in quality in an unbridled effort to produce cheaper and cheaper food in this country.

There has been exponential growth in direct-marketing by farmers at roadside stands, farmers markets, Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) farms, and organic farms. It adds great meaning for many consumers to buy organic food directly from the families who produce it, with loving care. These farm families need to be protected from any fallout in the marketplace that might occur due to the practices of large industrial farms in California.


alex

[wyjoz]

hey wyjoz... I was thinking on the same lines as you. If you just stop and consider the millions of people in the United States and then think of all the people who eat spinach and then realize that only 100 people got sick (the last I heard)and one died...well, that's a VERY SMALL percent.
How was it determined that without any doubt it was spinach that made these people sick? Why is it only bagged spinach and not all spinach??
I've been traveling so I haven't heard many updates... but how come it has taken so long to find out the source of the so called contamination? If it actually was the spinach, why didn't they ask the people who got sick.."what brand of spinach did you eat?
I understand the need for protecting people but I think the execution of this sort of thing could have been handled much better.

When I go to the store; I see many many people buy bagged Spinach, Costco has big big bags of Spinach and I see many buy it also. That's every city in all of the United States and only 1 died, that's unfortunate,(but 100 got sick?? SO FOR EVERY BAG OF SPINACH SOLD AND AT LEAST THE ONLY ONE THAT PURCHASED IT ATE IT AND NOT SHARED IT WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY THAT MEANS EVERYONE THAT PURCHASED SPINACH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SICK !!! in every city and every state! If people can't see this un logic I don't know what else to say! It might have been in a few bags as the bags might not have been refridgerated properly and exposure of a sealed bag (no oxygen) and warmth a perfect incubating environment.
***this was posted in one of the links here """
they tested ALL of EArthbound Farm's spinach and found NOTHING wrong on the fields....so it's after harvesting taht's the problem.
Maybe contaminated water to rinse it with?"

[wyjoz]

Here:
http://www.ebfarm.com/




Consumer Update from Earthbound Farm
RE: e coli outbreak
September 18, 2006
The investigation into this e coli outbreak is on-going and consumers should continue to heed the FDA’s advice not to eat any spinach products until further notice.

Based on the preliminary information available in this on-going investigation, we have been advised by the US Food & Drug Administration and the California Department of Health Services that no organic products, including Earthbound Farm brand spinach or other products, have been linked to this outbreak at this time. This does not mean that organic products have been cleared.

At this point in the investigation, all of the manufacturing codes taken from spinach packaging retained by patients are from packages of conventional (non-organic) spinach. However, the investigation is still underway.

We would like to reiterate our concern for everyone who has fallen ill as a result of the current e coli outbreak. Our thoughts and prayers are with every one of them, and we and others in our industry are continuing to work with federal and state authorities to find the source of the contamination.

We will continue to provide updates as meaningful information becomes available.

[Lay-Lay]

Personally I am soo happy they are testing all of it and making a big deal of it. I appreciate the concern for safety precautions, just like I appreciate it when it has to do with a concern in regards to any other product.

My opinion is that some get sick from it because they may have health issues, weaker immune system at the time, or it was just the timing.

Anyways, I had spinach for lunch without even thinking of it, LOL! So yummy! :D

[dreamrawalwz]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but I'd like to add that the lady who died was elderly and could have been from dehydration as a secondary response from the e. coli.

[rawbeliever]

wow, thanks for all the great information, Alex, Lay-Lay & Dream. Super useful. I was wondering if the person who died was elderly. It's very frustrating that the media never gives you the full story, but at least I always know to suspect that they aren't giving me the full story. I wish they'd make this big a deal about things like cigarettes and cheetos. It seems a little penny-wise and pound-foolish to me that all my organic bagged spinach at Trader Joe's has been pulled from the shelves, but there's plenty of sausages to be had. :)

[dreamrawalwz]

wow, thanks for all the great information, Alex, Lay-Lay & Dream. Super useful. I was wondering if the person who died was elderly. It's very frustrating that the media never gives you the full story, but at least I always know to suspect that they aren't giving me the full story. I wish they'd make this big a deal about things like cigarettes and cheetos. It seems a little penny-wise and pound-foolish to me that all my organic bagged spinach at Trader Joe's has been pulled from the shelves, but there's plenty of sausages to be had. :)

I heard a rumor that they're UPPING the amount of nicotine in cigaretts?? random, i know!

[JennaBoBenna]

I heard a rumor that they're UPPING the amount of nicotine in cigaretts?? random, i know!

Just what the world needs, MOAR NIKOTEEN! Ugh!!

[Lay-Lay]

sounds like addictions are on the rise.

[Doe]

dreamrawalwz, I read an article yeeeears ago about tobacco products. At that time they contained 167 addictive ingredients. It boggles the mind. Do you think they can do more to make them addictive? Anything to make money. Do you remember it Lay-Lay? It had a skull and crossbones on the cover I believe. You may have been too young to remember it. Just wondering.

Teri S

[luckitri]

I really loved your historical input. I suspect that most cities did not have adequate water treatment or sewage systems in place at that time and so the public needed to be careful just as we do if we go to Mexico where we are not used to the bacteria.

[GlimR]

I saw on MSN that they were plowing the spinach fields under. That has to be a devestating loss economically. Thanks for all the great information on this thread.......many are watching.

[dreamrawalwz]

I saw on MSN that they were plowing the spinach fields under. That has to be a devestating loss economically. Thanks for all the great information on this thread.......many are watching.

Arh that sucks! It's NOT the spinach fields, it's in the process after harvesting (at least on organic fields). Can't they just switch out the wate or something?

[sno white]

Would it not be safe to rinse our fresh produce with GSE or Peroxide? I have washed fresh produce using both for years and thought it would take care of any problem. Depending on the produce which one I use.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I saw on MSN that they were plowing the spinach fields under. That has to be a devestating loss economically. Thanks for all the great information on this thread.......many are watching.

On our local news they had a piece with a Colorado spinach farmer on his field. You could tell he was frustrated as he said the contiminated spinach was in California, and his is not sold in bags. He said their family had spinach last night for dinner and they were all fine.

I think even if you wanted to buy spinach maybe nobody would let you to cover their liabliity. Their insurance coverage may not be eligible in the rare case that some get sick and tries to sue the farm.

[wyjoz]

I saw on MSN that they were plowing the spinach fields under. That has to be a devestating loss economically. Thanks for all the great information on this thread.......many are watching.

it's sad that there was no discovery of E coli in the fields just in bagged spinach and the fields are being plowed under; here is a few articles--from about 100's that my mind is working on and working out:

1.The woman fell ill in late August and has been diagnosed with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome, said Melaney Arnold, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Public Health. Arnold said the woman was in stable condition Monday, but that the food-borne illness could be life threatening.

The woman's name was not being released, Arnold said. Joz here::::: does she or did she even exist?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060918illinois-ecoli,1,4536108.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true



ah, here is some politics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a 77 y/o "NAMELES" woman was a sacrifice due to #2 below??? TO TEACH THE FARMERS A LESSON AND COMPLY WITH SAFETY REGULATIONS? Hmmmm? just thinking!

2. Farmers told a year ago to improve safety - Infectious Diseases ...
E. coli outbreak is the 20th since 1995 linked to spinach or lettuce ... The Illinois Department of Public Health said Monday an elderly woman hospitalized ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14841731 """""
SAN FRANCISCO - Federal health officials told California farmers to improve produce safety in a pointed warning letter last November, nearly a year before the multistate E. coli outbreak linked to spinach.

In fact, the current food-poisoning episode is the 20th since 1995 linked to spinach or lettuce,""""""


3.The woman (77 y/o) ; became ill in August and is now hospitalized with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS), a form of kidney failure that can be associated with E. coli 0157:H7. She has a history of eating spinach. Joz here: but what else she ate that made her so sick? did she drink? smoke? Life time of SAD food=malnutrition we all know that.

She is dead so it should say she 'had' a history of eating spinach? no? http://www.courierpress.com/news/2006/sep/18/first-case-e-coli-connected-bagged-spinach-illinoi/


4. A Seattle law firm said it planned to add Natural Selection Foods on Monday to federal lawsuits previously filed in Wisconsin and Oregon that named other spinach producers
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

5. Fields are being PLOWED UNDER even theough there's no E.coli ??????

I DARE anyone to make sense out of this; everything above is too suspicious/bizzare/ mabe untrue? Joz

[Pailani]

Wasn't there also a 23-month-old little girl who died?

I wouldn't be surprised if they used this to scare the public into accepting irradiated foods.

[Pailani]

3.The woman (77 y/o) ; became ill in August and is now hospitalized with Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS), a form of kidney failure that can be associated with E. coli 0157:H7. She has a history of eating spinach. Joz here: but what else she ate that made her so sick? did she drink? smoke?

I don't know. One woman died, but hundreds got sick and I'm assuming they all had spinach-consumption in common. If a batch of spinach has ecoli, I'd want them to be taking steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[wyjoz]

I don't know. One woman died, but hundreds got sick and I'm assuming they all had spinach-consumption in common. If a batch of spinach has ecoli, I'd want them to be taking steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

But think about this: in my city there are 9 grocery stores; plus a few in surrounding cities. Every store sold spinach so that's at least 12 bags in a box ordered. My store replaced bagged spinach 3 times a week. I asked! I know all the produce personnell. So 1/2 of my city should be contaminated/sick ! NO? So calculate every city in every state all over USA and we get one woman 77 y/o died and 113 sick? This does not add up. Never will. I'm not buying it. A 23 month old baby ? How much spinach did it consume? was the baby RAW smoothie drinker? HMMM? Did you check out Gerry Lewis--Hospital for Children(forgot the name)(St Jude's Hospital?) how many babies are there dying! But here is one sick baby from E.coli !!!!!!!!!!!!! Media/Politics/FDA Play on US--- brainwashing. The old and the very young! AND WE ALL SAY OH, HOW HORRIBLE! Yes it is, don't get me wrong. Any death is wrong! Unless it's from a wonderfully lived out life, then I go to sleep and R.I.P . on my grave. HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN USA? THAT EAT SPINACH?

[Lay-Lay]

dreamrawalwz, I read an article yeeeears ago about tobacco products. At that time they contained 167 addictive ingredients. It boggles the mind. Do you think they can do more to make them addictive? Anything to make money. Do you remember it Lay-Lay? It had a skull and crossbones on the cover I believe. You may have been too young to remember it. Just wondering.

Teri S

I do remember that. I am going to get it out this week and read it again. I have every magazine back until 1937 I believe, so I am sure I have it, LOL.

[rawbeliever]

Wyjoz, I agree...it's too small a group to add up. There has to be something more to it.

[Doe]

Lay-Lay, wow! You got me beat. Mine only went back to Dec 81. I gave them to a retired school teacher shortly after her baptism. Everything I had is on the CD and that takes so much less space. Also she is widowed and does not have a computer, there is no doubt they have since been devoured intellectually. You have a great heretage. You remind me of Blossom Brandt (look her up).

Teri S

[Lay-Lay]

Lay-Lay, wow! You got me beat. Mine only went back to Dec 81. I gave them to a retired school teacher shortly after her baptism. Everything I had is on the CD and that takes so much less space. Also she is widowed and does not have a computer, there is no doubt they have since been devoured intellectually. You have a great heretage. You remind me of Blossom Brandt (look her up).

Teri S

I will do that. Most of mine come from my husbands stepmother who was raised in the truth. She is in her mid-60's. Then I have some from my grandmothers collection who was also raised in the truth and her mother (my great grandmother) is one of the annointed. So yes the heritage is there

[mongomango]

Hmm, this isn't really on topic with the thread, but since the subject came up... :) Hope it's ok!

As of 1994 there were 599 additives in cigarettes as reported by the cigarette manufacturers to the government. There are probably more now. This does not take into consideration the more than 4000 chemical compounds which are created by the burning of these ingredients.

Here they are. Note the many sweet ingredients listed..chocolate, vanilla, apple juice, etc., (let us addict you please!) as well as the blatanly toxic ones. This is a good list to save and show to your friends and relatives who smoke so they can see the cigarette for what it really is, which is simply a delivery system for chemicals and carcinogens with a subterfuge of addictive and compelling ingredients that industry adds to get the hook in their mouths.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/cig-additives.htm

* Acetanisole
* Acetic Acid
* Acetoin
* Acetophenone
* 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
* 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
* 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
* Acetylpyrazine
* 2-Acetylpyridine
* 3-Acetylpyridine
* 2-Acetylthiazole
* Aconitic Acid
* dl-Alanine
* Alfalfa Extract
* Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
* Allyl Hexanoate
* Allyl Ionone
* Almond Bitter Oil
* Ambergris Tincture
* Ammonia
* Ammonium Bicarbonate
* Ammonium Hydroxide
* Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
* Ammonium Sulfide
* Amyl Alcohol
* Amyl Butyrate
* Amyl Formate
* Amyl Octanoate
* alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
* Amyris Oil
* trans-Anethole
* Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
* Anise
* Anise Star, Extract and Oils
* Anisyl Acetate
* Anisyl Alcohol
* Anisyl Formate
* Anisyl Phenylacetate
* Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
* Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
* 1-Arginine
* Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
* Ascorbic Acid
* 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
* 1-Aspartic Acid
* Balsam Peru and Oil
* Basil Oil
* Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
* Beeswax White
* Beet Juice Concentrate
* Benzaldehyde
* Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
* Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
* Benzoin Resin
* Benzophenone
* Benzyl Alcohol
* Benzyl Benzoate
* Benzyl Butyrate
* Benzyl Cinnamate
* Benzyl Propionate
* Benzyl Salicylate
* Bergamot Oil
* Bisabolene
* Black Currant Buds Absolute
* Borneol
* Bornyl Acetate
* Buchu Leaf Oil
* 1,3-Butanediol
* 2,3-Butanedione
* 1-Butanol
* 2-Butanone
* 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
* Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
* Butyl Acetate
* Butyl Butyrate
* Butyl Butyryl Lactate
* Butyl Isovalerate
* Butyl Phenylacetate
* Butyl Undecylenate
* 3-Butylidenephthalide
* Butyric Acid]
* Cadinene
* Caffeine
* Calcium Carbonate
* Camphene
* Cananga Oil
* Capsicum Oleoresin
* Caramel Color
* Caraway Oil
* Carbon Dioxide
* Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
* Carob Bean and Extract
* beta-Carotene
* Carrot Oil
* Carvacrol
* 4-Carvomenthenol
* 1-Carvone
* beta-Caryophyllene
* beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
* Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
* Cassia Bark Oil
* Cassie Absolute and Oil
* Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
* Cedar Leaf Oil
* Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
* Cedrol
* Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
* Cellulose Fiber
* Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
* Chicory Extract
* Chocolate
* Cinnamaldehyde
* Cinnamic Acid
* Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
* Cinnamyl Acetate
* Cinnamyl Alcohol
* Cinnamyl Cinnamate
* Cinnamyl Isovalerate
* Cinnamyl Propionate
* Citral
* Citric Acid
* Citronella Oil
* dl-Citronellol
* Citronellyl Butyrate
* itronellyl Isobutyrate
* Civet Absolute
* Clary Oil
* Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
* Cocoa
* Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
* Coconut Oil
* Coffee
* Cognac White and Green Oil
* Copaiba Oil
* Coriander Extract and Oil
* Corn Oil
* Corn Silk
* Costus Root Oil
* Cubeb Oil
* Cuminaldehyde
* para-Cymene
* 1-Cysteine
* Dandelion Root Solid Extract
* Davana Oil
* 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
* delta-Decalactone
* gamma-Decalactone
* Decanal
* Decanoic Acid
* 1-Decanol
* 2-Decenal
* Dehydromenthofurolactone
* Diethyl Malonate
* Diethyl Sebacate
* 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
* Dihydro Anethole
* 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
* Dill Seed Oil and Extract
* meta-Dimethoxybenzene
* para-Dimethoxybenzene
* 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
* Dimethyl Succinate
* 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
* 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
* 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
* 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One
* 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One
* 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
* 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
* alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
* alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
* alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
* 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
* 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
* 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
* Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
* delta-Dodecalactone
* gamma-Dodecalactone
* para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
* Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
* Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
* Ethyl Acetate
* Ethyl Acetoacetate
* Ethyl Alcohol
* Ethyl Benzoate
* Ethyl Butyrate
* Ethyl Cinnamate
* Ethyl Decanoate
* Ethyl Fenchol
* Ethyl Furoate
* Ethyl Heptanoate
* Ethyl Hexanoate
* Ethyl Isovalerate
* Ethyl Lactate
* Ethyl Laurate
* Ethyl Levulinate
* Ethyl Maltol
* Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
* Ethyl Myristate
* Ethyl Nonanoate
* Ethyl Octadecanoate
* Ethyl Octanoate
* Ethyl Oleate
* Ethyl Palmitate
* Ethyl Phenylacetate
* Ethyl Propionate
* Ethyl Salicylate
* Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
* Ethyl Valerate
* Ethyl Vanillin
* 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
* 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
* 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
* 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone
* 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
* 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
* 4-Ethylguaiacol
* para-Ethylphenol
* 3-Ethylpyridine
* Eucalyptol
* Farnesol
* D-Fenchone
* Fennel Sweet Oil
* Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
* Fig Juice Concentrate
* Food Starch Modified
* Furfuryl Mercaptan
* 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
* Galbanum Oil
* Genet Absolute
* Gentian Root Extract
* Geraniol
* Geranium Rose Oil
* Geranyl Acetate
* Geranyl Butyrate
* Geranyl Formate
* Geranyl Isovalerate
* Geranyl Phenylacetate
* Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
* 1-Glutamic Acid
* 1-Glutamine
* Glycerol
* Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
* Grape Juice Concentrate
* Guaiac Wood Oil
* Guaiacol
* Guar Gum
* 2,4-Heptadienal
* gamma-Heptalactone
* Heptanoic Acid
* 2-Heptanone
* 3-Hepten-2-One
* 2-Hepten-4-One
* 4-Heptenal
* trans -2-Heptenal
* Heptyl Acetate
* omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
* gamma-Hexalactone
* Hexanal
* Hexanoic Acid
* 2-Hexen-1-Ol
* 3-Hexen-1-Ol
* cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
* 2-Hexenal
* 3-Hexenoic Acid
* trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
* cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
* Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
* Hexyl Acetate
* Hexyl Alcohol
* Hexyl Phenylacetate
* 1-Histidine
* Honey
* Hops Oil
* Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
* Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
* 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
* 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
* 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
* 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
* 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
* 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
* Hydroxycitronellal
* 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
* 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
* Hyssop Oil
* Immortelle Absolute and Extract
* alpha-Ionone
* beta-Ionone
* alpha-Irone
* Isoamyl Acetate
* Isoamyl Benzoate
* Isoamyl Butyrate
* Isoamyl Cinnamate
* Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate
* Isoamyl Isovalerate
* Isoamyl Octanoate
* Isoamyl Phenylacetate
* Isobornyl Acetate
* Isobutyl Acetate
* Isobutyl Alcohol
* Isobutyl Cinnamate
* Isobutyl Phenylacetate
* Isobutyl Salicylate
* 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
* alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
* Isobutyraldehyde
* Isobutyric Acid
* d,l-Isoleucine
* alpha-Isomethylionone
* 2-Isopropylphenol
* Isovaleric Acid
* Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
* Kola Nut Extract
* Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
* Lactic Acid
* Lauric Acid
* Lauric Aldehyde
* Lavandin Oil
* Lavender Oil
* Lemon Oil and Extract
* Lemongrass Oil
* 1-Leucine
* Levulinic Acid
* Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
* Lime Oil
* Linalool
* Linalool Oxide
* Linalyl Acetate
* Linden Flowers
* Lovage Oil And Extract
* 1-Lysine]
* Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
* Magnesium Carbonate
* Malic Acid
* Malt and Malt Extract
* Maltodextrin
* Maltol
* Maltyl Isobutyrate
* Mandarin Oil
* Maple Syrup and Concentrate
* Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
* para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
* Menthol
* Menthone
* Menthyl Acetate
* dl-Methionine
* Methoprene
* 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
* 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
* para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
* 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
* Methoxypyrazine
* Methyl 2-Furoate
* Methyl 2-Octynoate
* Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
* Methyl Anisate
* Methyl Anthranilate
* Methyl Benzoate
* Methyl Cinnamate
* Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
* Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
* Methyl Isovalerate
* Methyl Linoleate (48%)
* Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
* Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
* Methyl Nicotinate
* Methyl Phenylacetate
* Methyl Salicylate
* Methyl Sulfide
* 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
* 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
* 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
* 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde
* 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
* 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
* 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
* 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
* 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
* 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
* 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
* 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
* 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
* Methyl-alpha-Ionone
* Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
* 4-Methylacetophenone
* para-Methylanisole
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
* 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
* 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
* 2-Methylbutyric Acid
* alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
* Methylcyclopentenolone
* 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
* 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
* 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
* 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
* 2-Methylpyrazine
* 5-Methylquinoxaline
* 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
* (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
* 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
* Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
* 2-Methylvaleric Acid
* Mimosa Absolute and Extract
* Molasses Extract and Tincture
* Mountain Maple Solid Extract
* Mullein Flowers
* Myristaldehyde
* Myristic Acid
* Myrrh Oil
* beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
* Nerol
* Neroli Bigarde Oil
* Nerolidol
* Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
* 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
* gamma-Nonalactone
* Nonanal
* Nonanoic Acid
* Nonanone
* trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
* 2-Nonenal
* Nonyl Acetate
* Nutmeg Powder and Oil
* Oak Chips Extract and Oil
* Oak Moss Absolute
* 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
* delta-Octalactone
* gamma-Octalactone
* Octanal
* Octanoic Acid
* 1-Octanol
* 2-Octanone
* 3-Octen-2-One
* 1-Octen-3-Ol
* 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
* 2-Octenal
* Octyl Isobutyrate
* Oleic Acid
* Olibanum Oil
* Opoponax Oil And Gum
* Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
* Orange Oil and Extract
* Origanum Oil
* Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
* Palmarosa Oil
* Palmitic Acid
* Parsley Seed Oil
* Patchouli Oil
* omega-Pentadecalactone
* 2,3-Pentanedione
* 2-Pentanone
* 4-Pentenoic Acid
* 2-Pentylpyridine
* Pepper Oil, Black And White
* Peppermint Oil
* Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
* Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
* alpha-Phellandrene
* 2-Phenenthyl Acetate
* Phenenthyl Alcohol
* Phenethyl Butyrate
* Phenethyl Cinnamate
* Phenethyl Isobutyrate
* Phenethyl Isovalerate
* Phenethyl Phenylacetate
* Phenethyl Salicylate
* 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
* 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
* 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
* Phenylacetaldehyde
* Phenylacetic Acid
* 1-Phenylalanine
* 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
* 3-Phenylpropionic Acid
* 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
* 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
* 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
* Phosphoric Acid
* Pimenta Leaf Oil
* Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
* Pineapple Juice Concentrate
* alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
* D-Piperitone
* Piperonal
* Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
* Plum Juice
* Potassium Sorbate
* 1-Proline
* Propenylguaethol
* Propionic Acid
* Propyl Acetate
* Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
* Propylene Glycol
* 3-Propylidenephthalide
* Prune Juice and Concentrate
* Pyridine
* Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
* Pyrrole
* Pyruvic Acid
* Raisin Juice Concentrate
* Rhodinol
* Rose Absolute and Oil
* Rosemary Oil
* Rum
* Rum Ether
* Rye Extract
* Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
* Salicylaldehyde
* Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
* Sclareolide
* Skatole
* Smoke Flavor
* Snakeroot Oil
* Sodium Acetate
* Sodium Benzoate
* Sodium Bicarbonate
* Sodium Carbonate
* Sodium Chloride
* Sodium Citrate
* Sodium Hydroxide
* Solanone
* Spearmint Oil
* Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
* Sucrose Octaacetate
* Sugar Alcohols
* Sugars
* Tagetes Oil
* Tannic Acid
* Tartaric Acid
* Tea Leaf and Absolute
* alpha-Terpineol
* Terpinolene
* Terpinyl Acetate
* 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
* 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
* 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
* 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
* Thiamine Hydrochloride
* Thiazole
* 1-Threonine
* Thyme Oil, White and Red
* Thymol
* Tobacco Extracts
* Tochopherols (mixed)
* Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
* Tolualdehydes
* para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
* para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
* para-Tolyl Acetate
* para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
* para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
* Triacetin
* 2-Tridecanone
* 2-Tridecenal
* Triethyl Citrate
* 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
* para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
* 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
* 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
* 1-Tyrosine
* delta-Undercalactone
* gamma-Undecalactone
* Undecanal
* 2-Undecanone, 1
* 0-Undecenal
* Urea
* Valencene
* Valeraldehyde
* Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
* Valeric Acid
* gamma-Valerolactone
* Valine
* Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
* Vanillin
* Veratraldehyde
* Vetiver Oil
* Vinegar
* Violet Leaf Absolute
* Walnut Hull Extract
* Water
* Wheat Extract And Flour
* Wild Cherry Bark Extract
* Wine and Wine Sherry
* Xanthan Gum
* 3,4-Xylenol
* Yeast

[alex]

For those interested:


Tobacco Industry Increased Addictive Nicotine in Cigarettes

A Massachusetts law forcing tobacco companies to report test results has shown that the tobacco industry has been making cigarettes more addictive.
Between 1998 and 2004, manufacturers increased the amount of addictive nicotine by 10 percent.

In addition, 166 out of 179 cigarette brands fell into the state's highest nicotine yield range, including 59 brands labeled "light" and 14 labeled "ultra-light."

This gradually increasing addictiveness of cigarettes had not previously been noted because the standard government test is easy to fool with a carefully designed cigarette; virtually all independent experts consider it inaccurate. The Massachusetts test, which required manufacturers to use a better testing method, showed nicotine yields that were more than twice those found using the standard test.

The Massachusetts report echoes the decision of a federal judge in Washington, who recently determined that companies designed cigarettes to produce low nicotine readings on the standard test while actually delivering significantly more addictive nicotine.

New York Times August 31, 2006

Dr. Mercola's Comment:

Another classic example of placing corporate profit ahead of public good. It is amazing how consistent many of these industries are in this behavior.
It is clearly obvious with the tobacco industry, but the drug and food industry pulls the same shenanigans all the time, they are just a bit more clever at disguising it.

While I still believe that eating sugar is more dangerous than smoking cigarettes, it is obviously beneficial to not smoke. It has been my experience that unless you have addressed your dietary challenges most tend to substitute unhealthy "rewards" for their cigarettes.

For example, my sister stopped smoking over 20 years ago and with this principal she gained well over 100 pounds. She never addressed the dietary issues first and simply exchanged an increase risk for lung cancer with an increase in the risk of heart disease, diabetes and general cancers.
Most smokers invariably choose more junk food to compensate for their loss. Additionally, most smokers go through a depression when they give up their smoking habit, thus making it enormously difficult for them to attempt any serious diet modifications.

But controlling your insulin levels is one of the most important things you can do to optimize your health, and avoiding sugar and grains is essential to do this.

However, if you're trying to stop smoking the best route is to go cold turkey and not gradual reduction.

Why?

Because simply cutting back, even down to as little as one cigarette a day, does virtually nothing to change the risk of cancer.

Smokers have some wonderful tools at their disposal to help them successfully quit while at the same time maintaining a healthy diet.



alex

[dreamrawalwz]

I wonder how much money and time it takes to put ALL those ingredients into one little "cancer stick" ?? Seems like a waste of time and money to me!

[Goldsplinter]

I dunno if each of those ingredients are added in one brand of ciggarrettes.

But I do like smoking cigars, though I haven't had one in a while...

[Lady Green Jeans]

I cannot even buy local spinach. The way this whole thing was handled was very careless and an extreme public disservice. Personally, I have not trusted bagged greens for a long time--there have just been too many recalls over the years which have been primarly due to the mishandling and/or improper washing of the produce. Most times I recall that unsanitary water was the pinpointed as the culprit. Now it appears the farmers are to suffer for this outrageous mishandling.

If, as someone here suggested, this is a way to get the general public to accept irradiated food, I for one will be planting hydroponic or raised bed gardens immediately. Very tired of the government allowing so much hidden facts about our food as to what is allowed/what they don't have to reveal as an ingredient, etc.

Sorry for the vent. Very frustrated at this.

[dreamrawalwz]

I dunno if each of those ingredients are added in one brand of ciggarrettes.

But I do like smoking cigars, though I haven't had one in a while...

Hmm....i'll keep my thoughts to myself ::angel face:: ;)

[MangoMommy]

I cannot even buy local spinach. The way this whole thing was handled was very careless and an extreme public disservice. Personally, I have not trusted bagged greens for a long time--there have just been too many recalls over the years which have been primarly due to the mishandling and/or improper washing of the produce. Most times I recall that unsanitary water was the pinpointed as the culprit. Now it appears the farmers are to suffer for this outrageous mishandling.

If, as someone here suggested, this is a way to get the general public to accept irradiated food, I for one will be planting hydroponic or raised bed gardens immediately. Very tired of the government allowing so much hidden facts about our food as to what is allowed/what they don't have to reveal as an ingredient, etc.

Sorry for the vent. Very frustrated at this.

I went to my local yesterday and they won't carry spinach either..even if it's local!! Has anyone been able to buy spinach? Has anyone heard any update on this and when we may be able to buy spinach again?

[Larue]

I keep ;hearing over and over again, that the problem is with conventional spinach, NOT organic, yet even that is hard to get.

[Larue]

I keep hearing over and over again, that the problem is with conventional spinach, NOT organic, yet even that is hard to get.

[Lay-Lay]

I dunno know if its because of the spinach thingy or what, but when I went to my local market a couple of days ago there was hardly any produce and usually they have a large selection and plenty of it. Only thing I found to enjoy was some bananas and grapes. I was so disappointed.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Nobody wants to take the liability of possibly someone getting sick for whatever reason.

If someone were to buy some local spinach and happened to get sick from anything, because the spinach is in the news and all that, they might just blame/point to the spinach, and then of course that spinach farmer will be liable.

The spinach farmers just can't afford to take that chance, even when they know how ridiculous the nation-wide warning is.

[Lady Green Jeans]

This is a motivating thread and appreciate the many opinions and feedback. I know organic was not the problem with this outbreak and I truly sympathize with the farmers and understand their liability in this sadly litigious society, but miss spinach and really cannot get it anywhere here--not even the farmers market or any of the organic markets.

I will be planting some 'Seeds of Change' spinach seeds in a planter box this weekend and grow my own greens as a small step to self-sufficiency. Anyone else thinking of raising your own crop?

[wyjoz]

I was in Ashland Oregon Co Op and there was spinach (local) galore ! I wish I had time, I would have stood by the produce with a sign LETS EAT SPINACH! Yum.

THERE WAS NO E coli FOUND IN THE FIELD OF SPINACH AND IT WAS PLOWED UNDER ! Could someone please explain that to me.

Having a spinach peach smoothie; To Health Joz

[Pailani]

THERE WAS NO E coli FOUND IN THE FIELD OF SPINACH AND IT WAS PLOWED UNDER ! Could someone please explain that to me.


Somewhere back earlier in this thread someone said that the authorities have been telling spinach producers to clean up their act for awhile and they didn't - this is sounding like they're determined to "teach them a lesson" by forcing all spinach growers out of business, even the ones who aren't guilty. It does seem vindictive rather than in the interest of the public to make all spinach growers plow their fields under, even when some companies and organic spinach haven't been implicated.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I would like some good articles to send my mother, if anyone has any good ones, not from health sites though, from general news sites.

I just spoke with her this morning and she said to me "you aren't eating any spinach are you?" and proceeded to tell me about how a 2 year old either got very sick or died.

I gave her the heads' up on it, but as always people are more likely to believe news reports.

[alex]

Latest news??

The problem is not the spinach!!


NY Times Goes to the Root of the E.Coli Spinach Crisis
Leafy Green Sewage

By Nina Planck
The New York Times, September 21, 2006

FARMERS and food safety officials still have much to figure out about the recent spate of E. coli infections linked to raw spinach. So far, no particular stomachache has been traced to any particular farm irrigated by any particular river.

There is also no evidence so far that Natural Selection Foods, the huge shipper implicated in the outbreak that packages salad greens under more than two dozen brands, including Earthbound Farm, O Organic and the Farmer’s Market, failed to use proper handling methods.

Indeed, this epidemic, which has infected more than 100 people and resulted in at least one death, probably has little do with the folks who grow and package your greens. The detective trail ultimately leads back to a seemingly unrelated food industry — beef and dairy cattle.

First, some basic facts about this usually harmless bacterium: E. coli is abundant in the digestive systems of healthy cattle and humans, and if your potato salad happened to be carrying the average E. coli, the acid in your gut is usually enough to kill it.

But the villain in this outbreak, E. coli O157:H7, is far scarier, at least for humans. Your stomach juices are not strong enough to kill this acid-loving bacterium, which is why it’s more likely than other members of the E. coli family to produce abdominal cramps, diarrhea, fever and, in rare cases, fatal kidney failure.

Where does this particularly virulent strain come from? It’s not found in the intestinal tracts of cattle raised on their natural diet of grass, hay and other fibrous forage. No, O157 thrives in a new — that is, recent in the history of animal diets — biological niche: the unnaturally acidic stomachs of beef and dairy cattle fed on grain, the typical ration on most industrial farms. It’s the infected manure from these grain-fed cattle that contaminates the groundwater and spreads the bacteria to produce, like spinach, growing on neighboring farms.

In 2003, The Journal of Dairy Science noted that up to 80 percent of dairy cattle carry O157. (Fortunately, food safety measures prevent contaminated fecal matter from getting into most of our food most of the time.) Happily, the journal also provided a remedy based on a simple experiment. When cows were switched from a grain diet to hay for only five days, O157 declined 1,000-fold.

This is good news. In a week, we could choke O157 from its favorite home — even if beef cattle were switched to a forage diet just seven days before slaughter, it would greatly reduce cross-contamination by manure of, say, hamburger in meat-packing plants. Such a measure might have prevented the E. coli outbreak that plagued the Jack in the Box fast food chain in 1993.
Unfortunately, it would take more than a week to reduce the contamination of ground water, flood water and rivers — all irrigation sources on spinach farms — by the E-coli-infected manure from cattle farms.

The United States Department of Agriculture does recognize the threat from these huge lagoons of waste, and so pays 75 percent of the cost for a confinement cattle farmer to make manure pits watertight, either by lining them with concrete or building them above ground. But taxpayers are financing a policy that only treats the symptom, not the disease, and at great expense. There remains only one long-term remedy, and it’s still the simplest one: stop feeding grain to cattle.

California’s spinach industry is now the financial victim of an outbreak it probably did not cause, and meanwhile, thousands of acres of other produce are still downstream from these lakes of E. coli-ridden cattle manure. So give the spinach growers a break, and direct your attention to the people in our agricultural community who just might be able to solve this deadly problem: the beef and dairy farmers.

Nina Planck is the author of “Real Food: What to Eat and Why.’’


alex

[wyjoz]

The Problem was not the Spinach; so lets start with post #1 again. Joz

[mongomango]

The inception of the problem was not with the spinach. The culmination of the problem does in fact, seem to be now, the spinach. If the news can be believed...which at times is quite dubious...but if it can be at this instance, the E-Coli was found in a bag of Dole spinach in a victims refrigerator. While it's very sad for the spinach farmers at present, it will be even sadder within your own family if someone succumbs to e-coli after eating spinach.

One should really choose their fights very carefully. How the ecoli got into the spinach is a story for another day. Right now, making sure that the ecoli doesn't get into you is a better plan of action. If there is a conspiracy underway, well, people are routinely put in harms way and even killed to sway the masses to an agenda that the powers that be want us under. Tthis instance, if a conspiracy and not just gross negligence, would be no exception. It is simply not worth the chance to buy any spinach at all from a national grocery chain that uses huge processing firms. In fact, it is rather self defeating to buy from such vendors anyhow as all the organic farms are being swallowed up the the agri-giants who are forcing detrimental changes to the organic standards.

By all means, go to your local farms or farmer's markets, or grow your own..but imo, advocating buying spinach from national retailers or that such spinach at present is safe, is doing no one any favors.

[Sharon in Colorado]

The Problem was not the Spinach; so lets start with post #1 again. Joz

For those who got sick, developed kidney failure and died the problem WAS the spinach. For everyone else the problem was not the spinach.

[Xanadu]

Here's something that would probably help. http://www.dreamhawk.com/gse.htm

[wyjoz]

For those who got sick, developed kidney failure and died the problem WAS the spinach. For everyone else the problem was not the spinach.


I should have said not the organic spinach they sell in little bundles. It was 'bagged' spinach !

[wyjoz]

not to rehash all that has been said already, BUT, remember the older woman that died from eating spinach? no name, no city, no hospital, nada! here is just an explanation of how this works! http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/current_news/silly_bird.htm
after reading this article return to home, and read about Sars, Anthrax, and other articles Lorraine Day posted. Interesting. Form your own opinions and don't need to write me and argue. I just read this and I'm sharing it for you to form your own opinions. I have no intentions to manipulate anyone to think 'only one way' RAWgards Joz

[LightLover]

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A fabulous article in the New York Times - yes, The New York Times! - traces the spinach contamination to grain-fed cattle!! That's right, it turns out that this particular form of E. coli only survives in the stomach of grain-fed cattle; cattle that are fed their natural diet of hay, grass, and other foliage don't have this problem. Apparently, this E. coli from the feces of grain-fed cattle can contaminate ground water and thereby the plants at neighboring farms.

Here is a link to this excellent article....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/o...ea79&ei=5087%0A

You'll have to sign up for the New York Times online but it is free and only takes one minute!

With thanks to Courtney for this tip!


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