Who feeds their pets raw??

[eatyourbroccoli]

I was wondering, for those of you who feed your pets raw, how do you do this? Do you just feed them fruits/veggies/seeds? Do you buy the Innova Raw?

Im desperately wanting a kitty, and am trying to figure out about how expensive food would be.

Thanks :D

[michigan roman]

i read before that some type jungle cat in south america , leopard or panther , eats avacados .

[eatyourbroccoli]

really?? how funny!

that sure would be easily incorporated :)

anyone else?

[codajess]

I DO I DO!

Cats don't need fruits/veggies/seeds. They're carnivores. Strictly meat/bones/organs. My cats've been raw for..oh, let me think... since the end of June, I believe.

One is VERY picky about it. He rarely eats the raw. I have bribed him by pouring tinned sardines in water (not raw) over the raw meat, but he'll usually eat around it. I have a storage bin of their old Natural Choice cat food that I leave the latch undone. He can open it and climb in when he wants to eat. I'll be stricter about getting him to eat the raw when the dry food is gone, cuz I'm not buying any more.

Since I'm veg for ethics/morals, I'm really picky about where their meat comes from. I hate having to deal with it, but i'm used to it now, and I tell myself that's what I get for having carnivorous animals. The other 2 are doing GREAT on it. They eat it all, they have shiny coats, and best of all (and the reason why I started raw feeding them) they don't poop very much and there's almost zero odor to it. It smelled something fierce on dry catfood, my GOD, let me tell you. Everytime one took a dump, i'd threaten to give them up for adoption. Not that I ever would, but boy did I threaten.

They eat mostly chicken. I originally started buying it from the health food store, then I found out that that brand was local (40 mins away) so I contacted them about buying in bulk which saved me a bit of money. I bought a freezer chest and it has all their meat in it. They also get (not all at once, obviously) eggs, lamb, beef, fish, shrimp. I'm looking for sources for other meat. It's hard to find satisfactory farms. The chicken they get is from Nature's Premier (www.naturespremier.com) they're certified organic, certified humanely raised and handled, free farmed, free range, etc. The beef, which I only bought once, came from the health food store. I'd like to find a place I can get that at a better price. The fish, since I get wild-caught anyway, I can get at the grocery store. They don't get that often. I don't like how it makes everything in my fridge smell and taste like fish when it's thawing in there.


Wow.. I totally just typed up a storm. What exactly is/are your question(s)? lol!

[codajess]

Oh, sorry. Food's pretty expensive. I usually pay between $5-$8 a day for their food; but like I said, I'm picky. It's a life that was given for them. It's worth a little more to me, anyway.

[PATH301]

There is this office cat that, whenever I start eating my raw food, he comes over to investigate but he never likes any of it expect some of the grapefruit.
And occasionally some of my liquid salad. But mosltly he's into meat and water. :D

[sport]

Have you read up on the Pottinger Cat research. I think that if you google it you will find lots of stuff.
It is interesting reading for everybody regardless of the fact that it was carried out on cats.
Shortcut to: http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.html

[eatyourbroccoli]

thanks guys! :)

i know raw is the way to go with animals. my mom started feeding my two dogs and two cats innova raw (which is like 95% raw if not 100%) and they look SO good now! its incredible how much healthier they look. it even helped save my one little kitty (ok, 12 year old cat..) from all these liver problems she was having.

thanks for the help and thanks for the link sport :)

[Narz]

I do, check out this video : http://media.putfile.com/Feeding-Your-Pet-Raw-Food :)

[Ginger]

Love the video Narz!

I feed my chihuahua raw since I got her at 8 weeks. She took right to it no problem. I kept her diet the same for a few days just because I didn't want to stress her out with the move to a new home so she did eat the pet store food at first. I give her mostly organic unless I can't get across town to get it for some reason then I just get regular grocery store stuff. So far shes eaten buffalo, beef, eggs, greens, sprouts, avocado, fruits & veggies. I sprinkle vitamineral green on her foods & giver her liquid probiotics too. I find it's cheaper & easier than giving her dry processed foods & canned foods. Smells a whole lot better too! When I first got her she was very constipated from the dry foods they were giving her. I watched her strain to get out hard little poops. Soon as I made the switch to raw foods she was fine & could go normally & easily. Poor thing! I feel sorry for her siblings who most likely eat the processed stuff..

I wanted to mention that even though cats are carnivores, they still eat the stomachs of their kills which contain partially digested vegetation & such. Plus i've had cats that enjoyed raw corn on the cob & used to sit with our rabbits & eat it! It looked so funny! My best friends cat loves watermelon! I think they do need more than just meat even though thay are carnivores.

[codajess]

I wanted to mention that even though cats are carnivores, they still eat the stomachs of their kills which contain partially digested vegetation & such. Plus i've had cats that enjoyed raw corn on the cob & used to sit with our rabbits & eat it! It looked so funny! My best friends cat loves watermelon! I think they do need more than just meat even though thay are carnivores.


Actually they usually leave the stomachs, from what I've read.


My cats get raw meat, bones, organs. That's all for their food. That said, If they're begging for something of mine, I do give it to them. Two cats would live on green olives if I let them. One loves mushrooms. Midget will stick his head in my bowl of salad and grab a piece of lettuce and drag it off to eat it.

I don't think they "need" more than that. They're just like us. They have a taste for something and they want it. Just because we have a craving for potato chips and like to eat them, doesn't mean we need it. You know?

[vgloveforlife]

In my house my dog gets raw meat and my cat gets kibble because he doesn't like the raw meat. My cat prefers plants to meat. It is weird.

[lane]

eatyourbroccoli,
which of innova's foods is your mom feeding your cats and dogs? i didn't think they made a raw food.

our cats won't eat fresh raw meat that we give them- they will, however, catch their own meals- which is great. the best food i have found (as far as prepared raw meat that they will eat goes) is archetype by wysong- a great company that puts alot of thought into maintaining the nutritional value of their cold processed foods.

cc

[lissomllama]

I feed all of my animals raw. My cats both eat, raw, organic meat/bones, my bunny eats raw veggies, nuts and fruits and hay and my fish eat live bloodworms and zucchini. All of my animals eat species appropriate diets. Veggies for the natural born vegetarians and meat for the natural born carnivores. I believe that if one can't/won't feed one's pets a species appropriate diet then one shouldn't be taking care of them.

[freespirit]

This website is super informative and they provide a link to raw chicken, rabbit, turkey, etc. All organically raised and loved. Check out the owners story on the chicken website.
http://www.catnutrition.org/foodmaking.html (http://)

[Narz]

Clicking the link didn't work for me though. Here it is again. http://www.catnutrition.org/foodmaking.html

Very good info, thanks. :)

[vgloveforlife]

All organically raised and loved

Something just struck me about this sentence. Yeah they love them so much and that's why they brutally slaughter them when it's time.

[shelly]

Hi I have a cat that i feed raw and a dog 5 months. . The dog eats organic chicken necks, brisket bones organic and what I eat raw... Likes avo, brocoli, watermelon most fruit, apples, raw muesli(no grains), and chicken carcasses.

Well cats are carnivores. so they need meat. My cat has changed radically since I took it off dried food cuck that is slowly killing domesticated animals. the people I met who only feed their cat or dog dried biscuits cos the vet said its a s'cience brand' are not being told the truth. These vets make heaps out of surgeries and medicines for sick animals that could easily avoid having their lives cut short or unnessecary suffering by changing their diets.
My cat now has a beautiful temperment, is not agitated and plays like a kitten and she is 13. I learnt about raw foods for animals through an article written by Katya from www. Rawjuvenate in Australia. You can read more there. She is a wise long time raw, beautiful 50 woman passionate about educating people to change their children's diets and their pets diets.

People comment that my dog has NO smelly breath, NO smelly coat and clear shiny eyes, NO gunk in the corners or under the eyes.

If your cat has been brought up on dried food, it will go thru withdrawels for a few days. It is so addictive that stuff. But it is worth going through it. Be patient and offer chopped chicken necks and a little fish. Eventually it will get its taste back for its natural diet. And you'll have a loving, playful, allergy free, non scratching , peaceful, contented loving cat.

Your cat will stop the outrageous water consumption it craves in order for its poor bodies to try and dilute the assault on their kidneys from the salted dried ....poison.

My cat hardly eva drinks at all. Her eyes are so bright and shiny and her coat, well it just glistens!!!!! Who said a cat or dog needs tinned c... or dried...for health its actually for sickness and early death.

Hope this helps :)

[michigan roman]

Something just struck me about this sentence. Yeah they love them so much and that's why they brutally slaughter them when it's time.
thank you vlfl , thats exactly how i feel . my thought here is to feed pets raw plant matter . its time for humans to evolve into greater nonpredatory beings . and make our pets that with us .

[dogmd]

A collegue of mine healed a cats Inflammatory bowel disease by feeding Raw. There is a company that sells fresh/ frozen quail for this very purpose. The clients just thawed out the quail daily and let the cat eat the feathers, bones, skull and all. Another vet took the cat off of all meds after the cat he started gaining weight and stopped vomiting. Now he thrives off of the quail. It can be quite expensive. But not as expensive as the Vet Bills. :)

[lane]

thank you vlfl , thats exactly how i feel . my thought here is to feed pets raw plant matter . its time for humans to evolve into greater nonpredatory beings . and make our pets that with us .


think about how quickly the intricate way our planet runs/exists would unravel if predatory creatures didn't exist- it would be chaotic to say the least. though it may not go far with regards to making compassionate people feel good about the deaths of other creatures, dogs and cats are designed to eat meat and it would be awfully unfortunate for them to be denied consuming it.

[Lay-Lay]

I feed mine raw. But he is sick right now and won't hardly eat. :(

[vgloveforlife]

think about how quickly the intricate way our planet runs/exists would unravel if predatory creatures didn't exist- it would be chaotic to say the least. though it may not go far with regards to making compassionate people feel good about the deaths of other creatures, dogs and cats are designed to eat meat and it would be awfully unfortunate for them to be denied consuming it.


I don't think anyone is arguing the predators importance. Dogs and cats are domesticated. They live in our houses, sleep in our beds and rely on us for their food (raw or not). They are far from their natural exsistance. Therefore, I don't think a variation of their diet is a crime. The longest living dog is on a vegetarian diet (not veg kibble though).
If you want your animals to eat the way they were designed, then let them outside to go catch their own food instead of eating from a bowl.

That said I do agree that a raw meat diet can be healthy for dogs and cats.

[Imagine]

My cat and 2 dogs eat raw,

bones
egg yolk
raw meat
juicer pulp
fruit
organs
ground flax seeds
chicken necks



my dogs get regular marrow bones

I give a small amount of vegetable pulp mixed in with a larger amount of meat (minced) in their meal and a tiny amount of ground flaxseed 1 - 2 times a week.

No grains

I don't supplement..

[lane]

I don't think anyone is arguing the predators importance. Dogs and cats are domesticated. They live in our houses, sleep in our beds and rely on us for their food (raw or not). They are far from their natural exsistance. Therefore, I don't think a variation of their diet is a crime. The longest living dog is on a vegetarian diet (not veg kibble though).
If you want your animals to eat the way they were designed, then let them outside to go catch their own food instead of eating from a bowl.

That said I do agree that a raw meat diet can be healthy for dogs and cats.

our cats do catch their own food- as i mentioned in my first post- they very rarely want to come indoors or eat from a bowl. i don't recall saying that any variation would be a crime...and if it is, i can think of far worse.

[codajess]

I don't think anyone is arguing the predators importance. Dogs and cats are domesticated. They live in our houses, sleep in our beds and rely on us for their food (raw or not). They are far from their natural exsistance. Therefore, I don't think a variation of their diet is a crime. The longest living dog is on a vegetarian diet (not veg kibble though).
If you want your animals to eat the way they were designed, then let them outside to go catch their own food instead of eating from a bowl.

That said I do agree that a raw meat diet can be healthy for dogs and cats.



If you think the only choices are to : Feed your animal crap processed kibble, or let them outdoors to fend for themselves, I think that's ridiculous.
That's like me saying if you want to eat the way we're designed to eat; raw, you better not be going to the grocery store and buying it. You better be growing every last bit of it yourself.

You can feed an animal what it's designed to eat without having to pick one of those 2 choices above.

[codajess]

thank you vlfl , thats exactly how i feel . my thought here is to feed pets raw plant matter . its time for humans to evolve into greater nonpredatory beings . and make our pets that with us .


I think her point was that they shouldn't use the word "loved." Not that it's wrong to do it.

Carnivores are designed to eat meat. You can't just change or "evolve" them from that, just because WE aren't designed to eat meat. They aren't humans. There's no excuse for us to eat meat. They are SUPPOSED to eat meat. I think its wrong to have pets if you can't feed them what they're designed to eat, as someone else said.

A lot of vegetarians/vegans I know aren't so much opposed to the eating of meat, but the way they're bred, raised, and treated; so they abstain from being a part of the entire process. Usually it's seeing video or learning about factory farming that makes one go veg.

[vgloveforlife]

Here's one of the longest living dogs: http://dogsinthenews.com/issues/0209/articles/020918a.htm

Codajess: I don't think those are the only choices. I never said that. In fact like I said above I actually feed my dog raw meat.
I just hate the whole natural argument used from people against veg diets for dogs and cats (especially dogs). If you want natural then you probably shouldn't even have a pet. Pets are not natural so I don't think it is wrong for people to feed them away from their natural diet. I think both diets can be healthy.
In fact dogs do very well on a fresh plant diet.


just because WE aren't designed to eat meat
Just so you know we are omnivores so we WERE designed to eat meat.

[codajess]

Just so you know we are omnivores so we WERE designed to eat meat.

This must be why we have to cook it so we don't get ill. And why we don't salivate when we see road kill. And the thought of eating dogs makes us sick, but cows are ok.
I can leave out my cats' meat all day, and they can eat it when it's stinky and gamey hours later, and be fine.

Anyhoo, I'll refrain from posting in this thread anymore.

[Guppy]

To get back on track here, I have a raw pet food question. I have been reading about the BARF diet (raw meats and bones and plants). And someone above mentioned feeding marrow bones. My question is about Mad Cow disease. Can our dogs get that? My understanding is that it comes from the bone marrow of an infected cow, right? How do we know our dogs won't get it?

My other question is, as a life-long vegetarian, I think I will hurl if I have to handle stinky raw meat for my dog. Yet I do believe it would be the most healthy for her and definitely better than the dry junk I give her now. I am in such a quandry about this.

Any advice? Codajess, if you're still out there I would love to hear your take.

Thanks,
emily

[codajess]

Emily- I started my raw journey in May of this year. I've been minimally a vegetarian for the past 8 years, since I was 16. I haven't had red meat in 12, since I was 12. It wasn't supposed to take 4 years to make the full change, but at least it happened, I suppose.


When I first started feeding my cats raw, I bought (expensive, jeez!) chicken breasts to get them started. Then when I was starting to introduce them to bone, I bought some leg/thigh pieces, and my first half-chicken. That was tough. I got through doing the leg/thigh pieces, but that half-chicken... I just couldn't do. I put it into the freezer and was going to take it to my mom's so she'd do it for me. It was *SO* hard. She had a little leg and an arm with a wing that moved. It was just really tough. A day or two later I ran out of the meat I'd portioned for them, and hadn't gone to my mom's yet. I attempted to do the half-chicken and it was REALLY hard the first time. I just kind of mentally disconnected myself, gritted my teeth, and did it. That was back in June. The first meat I was buying was from the health food store. I found out that company was local (40 mins) so I contacted them about buying in bulk. So that's what I've done. I've bought cases of half-chickens from them, I get hearts, livers, wings, necks, backs, and the half-chickens. (www.naturespremier.com) I was wasting some meat before when the cats were being picky about what they'd eat and what they wouldn't, and leaving the bigger bones; so I bought a meat grinder recently. I do most of theirs ground, that way I get enough bone/liver/organs in it, then I'll give them chunks of bone-in meat to make sure they get the gnawing action. I HOPE, eventually to get them to big chunks of bone-in with their teeth strong enough to crunch through them. I just know they weren't eating enough back then. Now that it's ground, they eat enough. It's a process.

All I can say is that it gets a lot easier with time. I just keep telling myself that's what I get for having omnivorous animals; I'm doing the best for them. The proof is right in looking at them (and cleaning the litter box!) In a perfect world, i wouldn't be contributing to the slaughtering industry. However, I don't think of pets as disposable, and I'm not going to pass my cats along to someone else, now that I found the "real" way (i feel) to feed them. I've had internal debates on if I'm not going to have any more carnivorous pets after these cats are gone (by the way, they're only 3 1/2, 2, and 2. Plenty of years left, hopefully!) And I do think that as long as there are animals in need of homes, I'm sure I'll have them. And I do think that any animals I have in the future will be raw fed. I feel good enough in my choices to pay a little more for humanely raised and handled animals. I really can't complain when I pay less than $10 for a life.

If you're vegetarian for religious or health reasons, my entire post is kind of moot; but if you're veg for the animals, then this is my experience.

Regarding the mad cow disease, I found a couple links, one page said:

"What if my dog or cat eats pet food made with mad-cow-infected beef?
Several species can get diseases related to BSE and vCJD, including goats, sheep, mink, deer, elk and cats. Dogs don't appear to get this type of disease. Still, because cats and dogs often eat food that contains ground-up scraps of animals, including cows, your anxiety over your pet's health is reasonable.

Current restrictions on beef for human consumption don't apply to beef for cats' consumption. Even so, the FDA says your cat's risk of getting mad cat disease (feline spongiform encephalopathy) is very low. To be safe, however, avoid pet foods that contain beef. And look for pet foods made from "human-grade ingredients" or brands that don't contain animal byproducts. They may be slightly more expensive than other brands are, but they're also likely to be safer."

another link is:
http://www.doggienews.com/2005/06/can-dogs-get-mad-cow-disease.htm

Maybe i'm being too lackadaisical in how I feed my cats, but so far so good. I really believe this is how they're meant to eat. Their bodies digest it perfectly. I think they produce enough..whatever.. to kill off the bacteria and other things that make us ill from eating it or ingesting it.

[codajess]

Wow. That was the longest post EV-ER.

I forgot to add that fresh raw meat, doesn't stink. It has a dull, oddly specific smell. It's when you leave it out all day...ugh. But they like it! They also like it partially frozen, too.

I do have a cat that is finicky about it. Right now I'm letting him have his way and letting him finish up the Natural Choice that they used to eat. When that's close to being gone, that's it. I'll be hard-core weaning him to raw.

[freespirit]

When I said loved, I meant that if you go to the Hare today site and read the background about the people who run the farm, they do love their animals, regret slaughtering them, and do their best to make sure that while the animals are alive they lead a happy life. Unfortunately, there is a demand for raw meat. If you want to feed your domesticated animals a raw diet, knowing that it is correct for their biology, it is nice to have a source that tries to treat their animals with the respect they deserve, up until their death. I was just trying to give information about the most humane source I have found for a raw pet diet.

And if you do decide to buy from them, buy in bulk, it saves in shipping.

[michigan roman]

think about how quickly the intricate way our planet runs/exists would unravel if predatory creatures didn't exist- it would be chaotic to say the least. though it may not go far with regards to making compassionate people feel good about the deaths of other creatures, dogs and cats are designed to eat meat and it would be awfully unfortunate for them to be denied consuming it.
ide rather choose to seek perfection , a peacefully functioning and non predator inhabited enviroment .

just because for all the known past of earth theres been predators doesnt mean it should be forever . were tiny unknowing creatures on this planet that are aware of very little beyond earth , and of only several thousand years of this planets past as opposed to an infinite amount of , most logically , the universes past .

im not counting on a god thing to bring me to heaven , im trying to create it myself . and in this perfect place / heaven theres no predators in my design . so thats where im focused on getting to . thusly the feeding your pets raw plant matter / evolving into greater beings statement .

and not trying to be smart here , so please dont take me wrong im just making a statement on a topic i feel as strongly as possible on . but on it being ' awfully unfortunate ' to deny dogs and cats the pleasure of dining on pigs , chickens , cattle , etc that have gone through hell living in mans cages in order to be fed to the predators i say you could take that logic and say its awfully unfortunate for me to deny a great white shark the pleasure of dining on me cuz thats what its designed to do !!!
no not the plan , this predator food chain logic weve all been brought up on is ARCHAIC . i , nor a pig should be living for something elses purpose !!!

[luckitri]

My cats liked things from animals that they would catch on their own - like chicken livers and they would find the nutritional yeast and break open the bag! Dogs seem to be natural scavengers and mine do like fruits and vegetables but not bananas. Feeding them raw meats is too expensive for me. They don't like raw eggs but they love them hard-boiled. Maybe I will go and buy some gizzards for them.

[codajess]

My cats liked things from animals that they would catch on their own - like chicken livers and they would find the nutritional yeast and break open the bag! Dogs seem to be natural scavengers and mine do like fruits and vegetables but not bananas. Feeding them raw meats is too expensive for me. They don't like raw eggs but they love them hard-boiled. Maybe I will go and buy some gizzards for them.


I read somewhere in my research before I changed my cats to raw, that you shouldn't mix raw with cooked in dogs, as it confuses their insides and their body doesn't know whether to produce the anti-bacterial enzymes or whatever it is that's needed to digest the raw when they're getting both. It causes digestive upset.
In cats, you "SHOULDN'T" but sometimes its hard because you're not supposed to starve your cat into eating raw, as it causes Hepatic Lipodosis.
And cats WILL starve themselves if they don't want what you're feeding. It's what made me start giving Jeff (my 3rd cat) his kibble back. He absolutely refused to eat the raw. He'd sit right by the plate of meat and watch the other 2 eat while looking at me.

They do suggest if you're weaning your cat onto raw, you can try crushing some of their kibble into the raw to get them to eat it, or "bribing" them with tinned sardines (obviously not raw) or tinned tuna (not raw, either) mixed with the raw. Then cutting back on whatever it is you're bribing with until the cat's on plain raw. Which is what I intend to focus on more once Jeff gets close to finishing the kibble he has now. Right now I'm letting him finish it simply because we have it.

[luckitri]

The knowledge that I always heard from childhood was not to allow your dogs to get the taste of fresh blood because it will change their character forever. At that time people were allowed to let their dogs run loose and several times a year a pack of former pets would attack and try to kill someone - they had gotten the taste of blood. Our animals - dogs and cats - caught wild animals and ate them - rabbits, mice, etc. But we never ever gave them raw meat. I saw the wisdom of this a few years ago. I knew some young women who had a paraplegic mother. They had a bunch of those little yapping dogs that do defend fiercely but look like toys. The young women all had to leave their mom alone one day and go to their jobs. That night when they came home from work they had to take Mom to the hospital because the little dogs had started eating her feet and she couldn't feel it and never knew it was happening.

[michigan roman]

i think i also read somewhere of people feeding dogs , and maybe cats , dry beans and rice .

[codajess]

The knowledge that I always heard from childhood was not to allow your dogs to get the taste of fresh blood because it will change their character forever. At that time people were allowed to let their dogs run loose and several times a year a pack of former pets would attack and try to kill someone - they had gotten the taste of blood. Our animals - dogs and cats - caught wild animals and ate them - rabbits, mice, etc. But we never ever gave them raw meat. I saw the wisdom of this a few years ago. I knew some young women who had a paraplegic mother. They had a bunch of those little yapping dogs that do defend fiercely but look like toys. The young women all had to leave their mom alone one day and go to their jobs. That night when they came home from work they had to take Mom to the hospital because the little dogs had started eating her feet and she couldn't feel it and never knew it was happening.


Lol that is such an old wives tale. You can't really believe that, can you?
I've *never* been attacked by a wild animal looking for blood. I *have* been bitten by 2 dogs that were fed dry kibble. I don't think their diet was relevant.
Do you have a desire to hunt people or animals down, and rip them limb from limb with your bare hands and teeth after eating a hamburger? Doubtful.

My cats are healthier, look better, and are even MORE affectionate than they were. They sleep in my bed, snuggle with me, even though we have a king sized bed and I sleep alone. They sit with me on the couch. I REALLY highly doubt they're trying to fool me into thinking they're sweethearts when they're really plotting to eat me alive.

Stranded people will eat each other if one dies and they're starving. Dogs will eat other dead dogs if they're starving. It's called survival. It's not a thirst for blood. A dog isnt' going to eat a dead or near-dead person with some evil thirst for vengeance. They're only going to eat the dead/near-dead person if they are neglected and starving; as would anything in that situation.

[luckitri]

Well I knew the people whose Mom's feet were eaten by their dogs - they felt horrible. I have had the pack of feral dogs try to attack me one night walking home. There used to be regular warnings on the news for children waiting at bus stops to beware of the feral dog problem. Now people just are not allowed to let their dogs run loose or get fined. The young women were not feeding their dogs raw - they think that their mom must have stubbed her toes while negotiating the apartment in her wheelchair and then they just followed their instinct for the blood. I learned that even my chickens have a thirst for blood and I could not believe it! but they did. I will cook my dogs meat.

[Guppy]

Codajess - Thanks so much for all that info. It was really helpful. I am going to continue learning about this subject. I know the dry stuff comes from those disgusting rendering tanks at the slaughterhouses and I am just horrified that I even buy it and feed it to my pup. Ugh. We will get to raw, I know it. In the meantime, she likes my juicer pulp sometimes :)

Thanks,
emily

[codajess]

Well I knew the people whose Mom's feet were eaten by their dogs - they felt horrible. I have had the pack of feral dogs try to attack me one night walking home. There used to be regular warnings on the news for children waiting at bus stops to beware of the feral dog problem. Now people just are not allowed to let their dogs run loose or get fined. The young women were not feeding their dogs raw - they think that their mom must have stubbed her toes while negotiating the apartment in her wheelchair and then they just followed their instinct for the blood. I learned that even my chickens have a thirst for blood and I could not believe it! but they did. I will cook my dogs meat.


This is going to be a useless argument. I'll save my energy.