Is Enema Neccesary?

[mud]

Is enema neccesary for a full cleansing?

Or do you think all the crud will come out in it's own time while fasting?

i've really been wondering about this, because i want to have a clean body.. but.. don't really want to go through the bother of doing an enema. What do you think? Will taking a long water fast work the same results?

[Revvell]

IMO the best way to cleanse is the natural way ~ eat/drinking raw fruits and veggies which contain fiber. That way one is getting nutrients as well as cleansing. It's the most natural energetically correct way ~ no stress on one's body ~ unless one is ill, then, other than water, nothing should be taken.

As far as enemas go, it seems there's dispute on this. One theory is that when one fasts, too many toxins will be released from the tissue and poison the body, therefore the enemas to draw them out.

*shrugs* I dunno. As I don't become ill (detox), I don't fast.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I have done enemas, colonics, intestinal cleanses, etc. I have not felt much of a difference to tell you the truth. It might work for some but hasn't for me, plus I stopped believing there's stuff "stuck" to the colon walls after seeing medical pictures of the inside of a colon.

I agree with Revvell about a clean diet, though. And patience.

[cornvalley]

One of the most fascinating things about the alimentary canal (of which the colon is a part of) is that it is fundamentally 'outside' of the body. The mucus membranes which keeps the intestinal walls clean in addition to the skin that walls off the canal from your interstitial fluids providing circulatory support, is a semi permeable membrane. Basically, only those things that are usable by the body are permitted through. Though not a perfect barrier, it is an important distinction to keep in mind.

There is a great amount of worry and focus to the contents of what is deposited in the colon and how much that can be an impediment to good health. Whole industries depend on the idea of self poisoning though constipation. And, it is engrained in our being to want to force things consiously through remedial actions of our design. But everyone here has great suggestions and I would concur and encourage you to think of the colon as a safe repository that 'acts' when it is time to act.
Sometimes it may be necessary to help re-invigorate the peristaltic action is after a long fast. There can be a hardening of the fecal contents that make it painful to eliminate. Still, only slight local manipulation is required to help things along if feeding is not doing the trick.

[Revvell]

Huh? :confused:


One of the most fascinating things about the alimentary canal (of which the colon is a part of) is that it is fundamentally 'outside' of the body. The mucus membranes which keeps the intestinal walls clean in addition to the skin that walls off the canal from your interstitial fluids providing circulatory support, is a semi permeable membrane. Basically, only those things that are usable by the body are permitted through. Though not a perfect barrier, it is an important distinction to keep in mind.

There is a great amount of worry and focus to the contents of what is deposited in the colon and how much that can be an impediment to good health. Whole industries depend on the idea of self poisoning though constipation. And, it is engrained in our being to want to force things consiously through remedial actions of our design. But everyone here has great suggestions and I would concur and encourage you to think of the colon as a safe repository that 'acts' when it is time to act.
Sometimes it may be necessary to help re-invigorate the peristaltic action is after a long fast. There can be a hardening of the fecal contents that make it painful to eliminate. Still, only slight local manipulation is required to help things along if feeding is not doing the trick.

[misslinda]

One of the most fascinating things about the alimentary canal (of which the colon is a part of) is that it is fundamentally 'outside' of the body. The mucus membranes which keeps the intestinal walls clean in addition to the skin that walls off the canal from your interstitial fluids providing circulatory support, is a semi permeable membrane. Basically, only those things that are usable by the body are permitted through. Though not a perfect barrier, it is an important distinction to keep in mind.





HUGH?

* gulps *

Would you mind reitterating this to me......I read but dont' understand.

;)

[cornvalley]

Is it the concept or the overbloated sentence?

Forget 'from your interstitial fluids providing circulatory support'
That does sound confusing and does not belong in the same sentence.

Can you imagine your food tube not being you but being 'used' by you?
I'm just saying you are protected from it's contents. It lies outside of the body's sensitive internal strutures.

Lab coat off, back to playin' geetar. :p

[seasidedaisy]

I do enema's towards the end of a two week fast. I also do them after doing gallbladder cleanses. Mainly because I get headache's detoxing. The headache goes away every time.

[misslinda]

Is it the concept or the overbloated sentence?

Forget 'from your interstitial fluids providing circulatory support'
That does sound confusing and does not belong in the same sentence.

Can you imagine your food tube not being you but being 'used' by you?
I'm just saying you are protected from it's contents. It lies outside of the body's sensitive internal strutures.

Lab coat off, back to playin' geetar. :p


.......@&#*$) Now we're revising!!!! I need a white russian :D "It's a Wonder" plays track 6 :confused:

no but back to the paragraph, without that sentence you said to exclude,

What is the significance of this external skin that is semi permealbe TO the idea of doing enemas or not?

[cornvalley]

.......@&#*$) Now we're revising!!!! I need a white russian :D "It's a Wonder" plays track 6 :confused:


no but back to the paragraph, without that sentence you said to exclude,

What is the significance of this external skin that is semi permealbe TO the idea of doing enemas or not?

First off, it is an internal skin and secondly, the idea that enemas are necessary is contrary to the notion that contents within the alimentary canal are NOT poisoning you by way of a protective membrane. THERE is the relationship.
I know you can think deeper than how you are challenging me.

There are interstitial fluids involved in feeding the structures of the intestines but stating that had no place in the sentence I constructed, so removing it seemed helpful in understanding the larger concept.

Are you getting the concept I am trying to convey, or are you just having so much fun dicking around with me?
Try to have a cogent disscussion if you can.
I answer your question but you seem to delight in picking apart some aspect of it that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

[mud]

^ Holy crow. ^ O.o

Umm... yeah. i'm just going to screw the whole enema thing. It's not even natural to stick something in your ___ anyway.

Thanks for all the insight!

[cornvalley]

It's not even natural to stick something in your ___ anyway.


LOL ...Yeah, that's what I meant to say.

[misslinda]

First off, it is an internal skin and secondly, the idea that enemas are necessary is contrary to the notion that contents within the alimentary canal are NOT poisoning you by way of a protective membrane. THERE is the relationship.
I know you can think deeper than how you are challenging me.

There are interstitial fluids involved in feeding the structures of the intestines but stating that had no place in the sentence I constructed, so removing it seemed helpful in understanding the larger concept.

Are you getting the concept I am trying to convey, or are you just having so much fun dicking around with me?
Try to have a cogent disscussion if you can.
I answer your question but you seem to delight in picking apart some aspect of it that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

Both, Corny.....however I am being serious when I ask, when you say external membrane, are you referring to skin?---b/c you termed it as "outside the body." But now I've read your rewording. Lastly, I was not suggesting enemas to be neccessary or not. Simply wanted clarification to understand how your point of view affects the topic. Thank you for clarifying Professor!


Googling: "dicking around"
:rolleyes:

Freudian slip?

[cornvalley]

Both, Corny.....however I am being serious when I ask, when you say external membrane, are you referring to skin?---b/c you termed it as "outside the body." But now I've read your rewording. Lastly, I was not suggesting enemas to be neccessary or not. Simply wanted clarification to understand how your point of view affects the topic. Thank you for clarifying Professor!


Googling: "dicking around"
:rolleyes:

Freudian slip?


Yeah, I'm gay..... just ask my wife.

I knew you would pick up on inside/outside . Something can be both inside and outside. It is certainly inside your body between your mouth and anus (easy there big fella). But because of the protective nature of the membrane passage it is only a one way street, hence outside.
So that is a different take on something that is always thought of as being in you, but in reality quite outside of you.

Make sense?

[misslinda]

Yeah, I'm gay..... just ask my wife.

I knew you would pick up on inside/outside . Something can be both inside and outside. It is certainly inside your body between your mouth and anus (easy there big fella). But because of the protective nature of the membrane passage it is only a one way street, hence outside.
So that is a different take on something that is always thought of as being in you, but in reality quite outside of you.

Make sense?


I wish you wouldn't add that bolded statement :rolleyes: not yet. how does the protective membrane qualify as "one way passage?"

[cornvalley]

I wish you wouldn't add that bolded statement :rolleyes: not yet. how does the protective membrane qualify as "one way passage?"

Telling me you wish I wouldn't add inside/outside as both being a quality of the digestive tract means nothing, especially with the little rolling eyes icon. Tell me what is bothering you about it instead. Then I can hopefully have something to answer you with.

And ' how does the protective membrane qualify as "one way passage?"

Because it PROTECTS you from the outside.

'One way passage' is referring to the type of cell that take up nutrients from the intestines.

See, ya got yer villi there which are the primary feature of the mucosa which house a self renewing population of epithelial cells that include secretory cells, endocrine cells and mature absorptive epithelial cells which take up nutrients from the lumen and transport them into blood. This is the basic function of the digestive system.

And, it's the only (one) way in.

[Lay-Lay]

***dazed and confused***

ummm, in answer to the post enemas are a personal choose some swear by them others swear against. Whatever you decide strike a healthy balance. A few weeks ago I was going through a major issues that was about to send me to the hospital. I did an enema and went to sleep, woke up the next morning and I felt great. I don't do them often, but when needed.

[misslinda]

Telling me you wish I wouldn't add inside/outside as both being a quality of the digestive tract means nothing, especially with the little rolling eyes icon. Tell me what is bothering you about it instead. Then I can hopefully have something to answer you with.

And ' how does the protective membrane qualify as "one way passage?"

Because it PROTECTS you from the outside.

'One way passage' is referring to the type of cell that take up nutrients from the intestines.

See, ya got yer villi there which are the primary feature of the mucosa which house a self renewing population of epithelial cells that include secretory cells, endocrine cells and mature absorptive epithelial cells which take up nutrients from the lumen and transport them into blood. This is the basic function of the digestive system.

And, it's the only (one) way in.


okay forget the inside/outside,,,,,,but the rollin eyes icon is my trademark (in real life) :rolleyes:

I think when I asked how it qualified as [one way], this is what I processed in my mind........

I was refererencing the enter/exit features of the alimnetary canal that has this semi permeable skin that protects the canal. But I hear you ellaborating on the functions of the protective skin.....so my ultimate question is,

How does the protective skin affect/effect the use of an enema OR how does it support those against enemas that believe that using enemas, releases poisins,toxins into the blood stream?

I hope I am asking these questions clearly, if not, let me know.

:)

[mud]

Oh Man.
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[cornvalley]

Well, some of what you are saying is not making sense to me.
'enter/exit features' are about what processes?

I was illustrating my answer about the skin being protective using the only type of processes that are occurring there and that they are occurring in one direction only.

So your ultimate questions:

"How does the protective skin affect/effect the use of an enema?"
or better posed "what is the effect on the canal lining by using enemas?" this can be answered the same as in your second question.

and your second question is :

"how does it support those against enemas that believe that using enemas, releases poisons,toxins into the blood stream?"

To this question, I have never heard that argument in rejecting the use of enemas. Being that only water (usually) is introduced forcefully into the colon, an enema is just creating more adjustments the body has to make in response to it. Enemas have no power to do anything constructive in the biological sense. Colon health is a biological dynamic, not mechanical. The mucosa is what is cleaning and lubricating the lining and injecting water only disturbs the formation of it.

Sure, it may feel good to those who cannot have a normal functioning bowel movement cause it stimulates a bodily response. But it is one of rejection. It cannot build healthy function and is a poor substitute for it. Peristaltic contractions based on need are the domain of healthy function, not a forced response to extraneous material.

All that being said, one does not have to feel 'against' or 'for' enemas to know
how the body adapts to their use. Like other mechanical stimulations to manipulate a response care should be taken not to rely on them habitually.
All crutches to aid in substituting for healthy function only worsen, or at best, draw out the healing process comesurate with the amount of their use.

This is basically a hygienic viewpoint, I have it so ingrained in my way of living and thinking that I can't see how it makes sense otherwise. Sorry if I come off so 'all knowing'. Just alot of years with it and around some very knowledgeable practitioners.

Thanks for asking Misslinda.

[musicalfruit]

[QUOTE=
This is basically a hygienic viewpoint, I have it so ingrained in my way of living and thinking that I can't see how it makes sense otherwise. Sorry if I come off so 'all knowing'. Just alot of years with it and around some very knowledgeable practitioners.

Thanks for asking Misslinda.[/QUOTE]

I think the problem misslinda, and the rest of us may have had in understanding you, is that your answers were not merely answers but almost a parable.
Something to be pondered and confused over.
Sort of like Don King or the Reverend Jesse Jackson.
Please, next time we ask, just say it in layman's terms.
Thank you

[cornvalley]

Well, I guess my responses are best left to those who can understand them. These subjects that people bring to this forum are pretty encompassing and much more can be addressed than 'if it feels good just do it' or vice versa.
Many here project a viewpoint of knowing what they are talking about with regards to bodily functions that to me, are a load of crap. (laymans term).

Parables are stories, made up ones at that.

Pondering is good but being confused is maybe something you are bringing to the party. Missing the definition of a word and then moving on before looking it up usually leads to confusion. Concepts are even broader understandings that need a little more of your involvement to be understood. Crack a college level text book on cellular biology or read a scientific paper on any of these grand subjects that people bring here, it'll make your head spin.

It's all relative my dear Musicalfruit.

And put some Alan Watts on your reading list while your at it. Great head spinning that won't leave you in the dark.

Jesse Jackson and Don King indeed.

[musicalfruit]

First of all Cornvalley, I meant no disrespect, I was simply being sarcastic, because I found your posts amusing.




Well, I guess my responses are best left to those who can understand them. These subjects that people being to this forum are pretty encompassing and much more can be addressed than 'if it feels good just do it' or vice versa.
I do not think that anyone here would say that having an enema is a 'feel-good' thing to do.
Many here project a viewpoint of knowing what they are talking about with regards to bodily functions that to me, are a load of crap. (laymans term).
Well, most of us are 'experts' in bodily functions since we all have them.

Parables are stories, made up ones at that.
duh. I was being sarcastic.

Pondering is good but being confused is maybe something you are bringing to the party.again, the sarcasm...
Missing the definition of a word and then moving on before looking it up usually leads to confusion.
Well, after reading your posts on this subject, maybe you are the one that needs to learn the proper syntax, and stop trying to impress with your flamboyant use of words that most people would never understand.
(FYI, I understood perfectly everything you were trying to say, but the way you chose to structure your sentences leaves one wondering if you really know what you are talking about)
Concepts are even broader understandings that need a little more of your involvement to be understood. Crack a college level text book on cellular biology or read a scientific paper on any of these grand subjects that people bring here, it'll make your head spin.
I really doubt that.

It's all relative my dear Musicalfruit.Then nothing being said here really matters, and this whole conversation is but a figment of your imagination.

And put some Alan Watts on your reading list while your at it. Great head spinning that won't leave you in the dark.
I am not in the dark, I walk in the light...

Jesse Jackson and Don King indeed.
You again, missed the sarcasm involved in this statement.

[cornvalley]

A responder a few ones before my last said he 'felt great' after an enema sooooo.......

Describing bodily functions can take on different levels. Having them does not mean you inderstand them

Sarcasm, especially in written form, is an art. You are a doodler.

Communication breakdown.....nuff said.

I apologize.

[musicalfruit]

I also apologize. :o) and yes I am a doodler..
So I do not take offense to that comment.

[misslinda]

Well, some of what you are saying is not making sense to me.
'enter/exit features' are about what processes?

I was illustrating my answer about the skin being protective using the only type of processes that are occurring there and that they are occurring in one direction only.

So your ultimate questions:

"How does the protective skin affect/effect the use of an enema?"
or better posed "what is the effect on the canal lining by using enemas?" this can be answered the same as in your second question.

and your second question is :

"how does it support those against enemas that believe that using enemas, releases poisons,toxins into the blood stream?"

To this question, I have never heard that argument in rejecting the use of enemas. Being that only water (usually) is introduced forcefully into the colon, an enema is just creating more adjustments the body has to make in response to it. Enemas have no power to do anything constructive in the biological sense. Colon health is a biological dynamic, not mechanical. The mucosa is what is cleaning and lubricating the lining and injecting water only disturbs the formation of it.

Sure, it may feel good to those who cannot have a normal functioning bowel movement cause it stimulates a bodily response. But it is one of rejection. It cannot build healthy function and is a poor substitute for it. Peristaltic contractions based on need are the domain of healthy function, not a forced response to extraneous material.

All that being said, one does not have to feel 'against' or 'for' enemas to know
how the body adapts to their use. Like other mechanical stimulations to manipulate a response care should be taken not to rely on them habitually.
All crutches to aid in substituting for healthy function only worsen, or at best, draw out the healing process comesurate with the amount of their use.

This is basically a hygienic viewpoint, I have it so ingrained in my way of living and thinking that I can't see how it makes sense otherwise. Sorry if I come off so 'all knowing'. Just alot of years with it and around some very knowledgeable practitioners.

Thanks for asking Misslinda.


Corn, be greatful that I am not a student of yours :D But really, I do appreciate you taking the time to repsond and explain.

When I mentioned the enter/exit function, I was referencing "mouth to anus." That I believe to be the passage of the alimentary canal. Then in my mind, I am hearing you discuss this semi permeable skin that protects the bloodstream from poisins/toxins. So with all that in mind,I gathered that you don't neccessarily agree with enemas b/c of the alimentary canal being "one way" qualified by it's route (mouth to anus). But at the same time, if one were to use enemas, the semi permeable skin protects "one" from toxin overload--released into the bloodstream?



* lining up all my crayons * :)

[Revvell]

Sooo, how do y'all feel about fasting and enemas? :confused:

[misslinda]

Sooo, how do y'all feel about fasting and enemas? :confused:


......Cornvalley, dont' answer :D



"it's all good."
:)

[Revvell]

......Cornvalley, dont' answer :D
"it's all good."
:)


ROTFLMSSSAO :D

[cornvalley]

Yeah, it's all so very very good and warm like a little new born puppy.
Misslinda, ya gotta be puttin' me on.

And Revell really steppin' up to the plate...absolutely fearless.

This is the kindergarten of health world. But play on, it's a beautiful place to be.

[misslinda]

Yeah, it's all so very very good and warm like a little new born puppy.
Misslinda, ya gotta be puttin' me on.

And Revell really steppin' up to the plate...absolutely fearless.

This is the kindergarten of health world. But play on, it's a beautiful place to be.


* puppy eyes *

Are you suggesting recess???

Cornvalley, according to Meyer-Briggs, I am an ENTP--ah at times INTP......so my questions could go on forever....... :)

Got yur lab coat on?

but seriously, my last post, did you read my revised explanation?

[moonlovers812]

My mother in law is certified in colon hydro therapy. If you do the slow fill method it is quite gentle and it can really help a lot. That might be something to look into if you want to get yourself really cleaned out.