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Rmiller
09-04-2006, 04:35 PM
Hi all,

Regarding the soy debate, I just had to place this post because not all soy is created equal. I take a soy protein powder that meets all of the 7 criteria for chosing and soy product. This product has helped me immensely and have seen it benefit many many others as well. Please read the following that addresses all of the soy concerns that you may have.

What You Need to Know About Soy
by Dr. Richard Brouse

Here are some Common Concerns About Soy:

Do soybeans cause cancer?

It is true that "overcooked" soy does contain "carcinogenic" compounds. When soy is extruded through high temperature, high-pressure steam nozzles to form what is called "textured vegetable protein - TVP for short", this form of processing renders the soy "meat substitute" carcinogenic or cancer causing. TVP is what is used in soy dogs and soy burgers, and should be avoided.

What about roasted soybeans?

Whole soybeans are high in plant fat. If soybeans are roasted to eat as soy nuts, the heat alters the fat and makes it a trans-fatty acid, which causes both cancer and heart disease. As roasted soy nuts sit on the shelf or in the cupboard in storage, the oils are becoming more and more rancid and carcinogenic. AVOID roasted soybeans.

But I've heard that soy protein is hard on the kidneys!

Animal protein is much harder to digest than vegetable protein. Since many people have digestive difficulties, protein that is not thoroughly digested is very challenging to the kidneys. Powdered protein is in a predigested state, and the BEST protein source to choose! Protein is not the enemy - it is essential for life. It is true, however, that EXCESSIVE protein is hard on the kidneys, so if a person consumes more than 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight daily, AND does not consume adequate carbohydrates with it, this could cause kidney damage.

I have breast cancer, and I've been told I cannot have soy!

It is true that soy is a "phyto-estrogen" food, which means it contains substances that have hormone-like components. However, their estrogen strength is 1/1000th that of the body's own stronger estrogens. Therefore, you want to load your digestive system with quality controlled raw soy powder, because these weaker estrogens will block the estrogen receptor sites from receiving your body's own stronger estrogens and therefore be very protective against estrogen fed cancer.


Essential Seven Checklists for a Quality Soy Product:

1) Were the soybeans ORGANICALLY GROWN?

Studies have shown decreased levels of food nutrients and increased levels of nitrates in chemically fertilized crops, when compared with their organic counterparts. There is a connection between the ingestion of nitrates & CANCER! Therefore, it is important to know that pesticides, fungicides, and herbicides have not been used during the growing process. In particular, with soybeans, since they are such a hardy plant, a powerful and DEADLY weed spray called Round up is usually used. For your safety, you must know that your soy products are organically grown.

2) Were the soybeans GENETICALLY ENGINEERED?

Genetically engineered soybeans are much cheaper to purchase, and most companies producing soy products look for ways to save money.

3) Does your soybean powder contain ALL of the nine essential amino acids?

One of the most valuable features of the soybean is that it is a complete protein and provides ALL nine of the essential amino acids. The body requires these daily to produce hormones, digestive juices, antibodies, and enzymes. HOWEVER, not all soybeans are created equal. Quality and amino acid content will vary based on soil conditions, and variable growing and harvest conditions. If one essential amino acid is missing, the immune system can be depressed 30%, and many important body functions are delayed or stopped. Therefore, it is essential that each batch of soybeans be checked for amino acid content if we want to depend on the soy isolate to provide a GUARANTEED supply of the nine essential amino acids.

4) Were the crushed soy flakes washed in alcohol or water?

Alcohol washing destroys isoflavones content up to 88%! It is the isoflavones that reduce the risk of breast, prostate, lung and bowel cancer! As well, it is the isoflavones that are so beneficial in hormone balancing and increasing bone mass.

5) Was the "anti-thyroid", "anti-growth" substance in the raw soy removed?

Orientals, who have consumed large amounts of soy for years, have known that RAW soy contains an "anti-growth", "anti-tyrosine" substance. Tyrosine deficiency will cause low blood pressure, low body temperature, and restless leg syndrome. Therefore, Orientals always lightly cook their soy foods to deactivate the "anti-tyrosine/anti-growth" substance. Shaklee has designed an extracting process that removes this substance, yet keeps the soy in a raw form in order to maintain the HIGHEST LEVEL OF AMINO ACIDS and ISOFLAVONES, which are very sensitive to heat.

6) Is your soybean food RAW or heated?

Amino acids are very sensitive to heat. In some studies, cooking protein has been shown to destroy up to 50% of some ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS. If an individual consistently consumes a diet that is lacking in all of the essential amino acids, inadequate brain development and hormones, or other body tissue development can be the result.

7) Has CALCIUM been added to your soy powder?

Some negative reports about soy say that soy powders are VERY ACIDIC and cause bone loss because it causes calcium to be drawn from the bones!!!! The raw soy bean is a NEUTRAL food--neither acidic or alkaline. However, the removal of the soybean oil (which is essential so the soy powder will not go rancid very quickly), makes the powder very acidic. Therefore, adequate calcium (which is very alkaline) must be added to cause the powder to be neutral again, or it can cause the above stated problem. Many protein powder manufacturers do not add any or enough calcium.

About the Author:

Dr. Brouse is a widely recognized authority in the fields of nutrition and prevention of chronic degenerative diseases. Dr. Brouse has a MasterÂ’s in Biochemistry and is a Doctor of Chiropractic. He was an Associate Professor of Clinical Nutrition for 14 years and found the renowned Sunnyside Health Center in Clackamas Oregon in 1977. Since that time many people throughout the world have regained a greater measure of health while following the recommendations of the clinicÂ’s health professionals


Hope you find this info useful,

Lisa

dreamrawalwz
09-04-2006, 04:49 PM
I personally can't do soy, but I think there are some points here. MOST processed soy is genetically modified and processed to death which holds no benefits at all. Most Americans consume a lot, without even knowing so because the processed oils and flours are further processed into other "foods." I don't want to get into the debate, but I think there has to be a distinction made here and as the title says, not all soy is created equal. You can't put fake soy cheeses (which contain milkk anyway), and fake meat patties in the same group as miso or temph. Two completely different products as far as I'm concerned.

misslinda
09-04-2006, 04:53 PM
There is far too many in depth research for me to consider soy again.

I'm the only one in my family who use to eat soy products day in and day out. I 'm the only one in my family who has a Christmas List of health issues. As soon as I stopped soy, 3 months later, I started to have lessening of symptoms.

the toxicity of this bean is enough for me to omit it. Greens are the source of my protein. I don't miss it.

:)

sport
09-04-2006, 05:06 PM
7) Has CALCIUM been added to your soy powder?

Some negative reports about soy say that soy powders are VERY ACIDIC and cause bone loss because it causes calcium to be drawn from the bones!!!! The raw soy bean is a NEUTRAL food--neither acidic or alkaline. However, the removal of the soybean oil (which is essential so the soy powder will not go rancid very quickly), makes the powder very acidic. Therefore, adequate calcium (which is very alkaline) must be added to cause the powder to be neutral again, or it can cause the above stated problem. Many protein powder manufacturers do not add any or enough calcium.



This one bothers me because it means that it is no longer a wholefood. It reminds me of the breakfast cereals and bread that are advertised as "fortified".
Is it know where this calcium comes from and that it binds well enough and will be absorbed well enough to have the wished for effect.
Taking a neutral food and turning it in to an acid food and then thinking that you can add something to make it all OK is not good enough.

Sharon in Colorado
09-04-2006, 05:09 PM
I used to also use soy protein powder, until I realized that it was an isolate. the isolates are one of the forms of soy that should be avoided, according to some research. Soy beans in their whole form would be the least damaging.

And then realizing that plants foods provide the adequate aminos for our bodies to create protein, I stopped being concerned about my quality and intake of protein.

dreamrawalwz
09-04-2006, 05:27 PM
There is far too many in depth research for me to consider soy again.

I'm the only one in my family who use to eat soy products day in and day out. I 'm the only one in my family who has a Christmas List of health issues. As soon as I stopped soy, 3 months later, I started to have lessening of symptoms.

the toxicity of this bean is enough for me to omit it. Greens are the source of my protein. I don't miss it.

:)

Yea, I still wouldn't do soy if I could. I still don't think it's healthy, but I was just comparting the two categories that people usually lump soy into as one.

Rmiller
09-04-2006, 09:01 PM
I have major trouble digesting many different types of food: particularly anything that has protein in it. I can't tolerate any other type of soy food because I actually get rashes from it and major stomach aches.

HOWEVER, that is why I say that not all soy is created equal because I don't get any digestive problems with the raw soy protein that I take. It is very easy to digest. In fact, my health has thrived ever since I started taking it.

Anyway, I know that this is a hot topic so it is not my intention to ruffle any feathers. I just wanted to present a different side to this story.

Lisa