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09-04-2006, 01:44 AM
Gosia, I want to thank you for all the informations about B12 I have found today on your nice website!! I moderate an Italian raw forum and lately a lot of people (cooked vegans) went really mad at me because I have expressed MY PERSONAL choice of not assuming B12. I will enjoy posting some articles today
Grazie, thank you for your work!!
09-04-2006, 09:56 AM
For anyone to think they have a need for B12 supplements, they'd have to ignore the mountain of excesses they visit upon their body everyday and blame their symptoms on not only an extremely remote possibility (true deficiency), but an entirely false, hole-ridden theory (the one that holds that the blood of diseased people can be used as a standard by which to judge the relative health of health-seekers).
The truth is, our bodies need a miniscule amount of B12. We don't need the amounts that are found in the foods that are supposed to deliver it in "adequate" quantities (mainly meat). If we try to get as much as is commonly floating around the bodies of SAD eating people, we end up eating things that pollute our bloodstreams, clog up our digestive systems and create disease in our organs. It is said that fruits don't contain B12 but the technology for detecting nutrients in foods is not perfect, and it can only identify nutrients that are present in large enough quantities as to be detectable. We need so little B12 that it could easily be the case that in ONE mango there is no detectable B12 but in 3-4 (a typical meal), there is plenty! And that would only constitute one meal of the two or more that might be eaten in any given day by a naturally-living human being.
This may seem presumptuous but there is nothing presumptuous about the idea that human beings should eat mangoes. Clearly fruit is our perfect food, as evidenced by our natural affinity for it. Other animals don't ignore their preferences and instead eat the foods that nutrition authors expound the glories of. They know on a very deep, non-intellectual level that if they like it, it's exactly what they need. That's the way nature is set up -- animals like what they need. Horses like grass and they can eat grass all day without ever thinking about eating anything else, AND they will get all the nutrients their bodies require. We are as much a part of nature as any other organism on earth. It is not risky or dangerous for us to follow our senses, just like all other creatures do. It is only dangerous for the industries whose survival depend on us doing otherwise (the 'food' industry, the supplement industry, the medical industry, etc.). Unfortunately civilization has created things that are intended to fool our senses into believing they are foods, so we have to use our brains at first to identify the proper food categories (i.e., nothing human-made). Once we've done that, we can eat ONLY what appeals to our senses (taste, smell, etc.) and we don't have to worry about nutrients, not even the elusive B12.
B12 is no exception to the rule that if there's a problem, it is not intake it is assimilation and taking fake, fractionated nutrients does nothing except compound the problem by further taxing the eliminative organs. Symptoms that go away after the ingestion of a supplement are just like the ones that go away after the taking of drugs.
Gosia probably has all of this and more on her website (don't recall right now), I just couldn't resist an opportunity to support both you and Gosia in your logical and reasoned decision to not jump on the B12 bandwagon!
09-04-2006, 05:40 PM
No problem. I simply like collecting useful information!
By the way, I went to a maths conference in Pisa last year and I simply enjoyed the fruit there. Being raw in Italy must be a joy, with all the delicious fruit available there.
Thanks Nora for your great points. By the way, there is some good info on Nora's site and forum on this and related topics. I hardly recommend both!
09-05-2006, 12:09 AM
thank you Nora and Gosia, thank you so much!
Nora, if you don't mind I am going to translate your great answer to my post and use it for my forum. As always, thank you for your knowledge and wisedom.
Gosia, being raw in Italy is not too bad, the food is great, but the support from people is awful :) I suppose you can't have everything, can you?
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