This has been bothering me for quite some time...

[Mookie]

This has been bothering me for quite some time...

Alissa has set up a nice site where people who eat raw and consume no animak or animal products except maybe honey can come and delight in the rawness without talk of meat, meat products, and the such...

Now, every once in awhile someone will post here - trying to cause a ruckus...
They will call us close-minded or narrow mimded.

I joined this board because I read the mission statement and agree with it.
I like coming to a place where my interests are met.

When people post here about animal products and extole their virtues anyway, it bothers me. Alissa ccreated this space and provided rules for a reason... I think....
I liken it to someone saying NO SMOKING in my houses - then someone comes in and smokes anyway! Then we all breathe in the second-hand smoke.

I am sure that there are other sites that welcome the postings regarding meat, etc.

I just thought this was a meat free site...

Any way just my 2 cents- thanks for allowing me to vent.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Are you referring to people who post about eating meat who slip up on raw, or people who say how great it is to put a raw egg in a smoothie?

[Cinnamon]

Thank you so much Mookie for posting exactly what I've been thinking lately. I agree with you word for word.

After being accused yesterday in an "animal product" thread of being "narrow minded" because I suggested people read the Mission Statement in the most gentle way I could think of, well I almost left this site.

I don't want to leave! I am here because I too agree with the mission statement. There are lots of other sites that are not raw "vegan" and I like being here, feeling safe with everyone, and not having to sift through the threads that I prefer not to read because they are not in agreement with what I thought this site is about.

Just my 2 cents too, I'm a bit frustrated right now but I will get over it!

[Denise Nicole]

I'm with you Mookie.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I was wondering if any of you use the report post button. I find it useful when I see posts that don't go by the guidelines or are offensive. Usually a moderator will get to it right away and either edit or delete the innapropriate material.

[Rawkinlocs]

But see, that's the thing...sometimes I feel like my hands are tied because, when that one thread about the eggs came up, it was reported BUT, we (mods) got an email from Alissa saying to leave it because it was just a question that the person was asking about if it was something acceptable or not. That was fine.

So, we left it. Now the whole Okinawa (sp?) thing is going on and so I thought to myself, "Hmmm...wonder if THIS should be left up as well since the poster was asking a question"... And then it's like, if folks see that egg thread left alone and the fish thread left alone, will they feel it's okay to start other threads about other animal products?

At one time, ANY discussion of eating meat, drinking milk or raw eggs was immediately shut down. Then, we were accused by even some of our MEMBERS here of being too censoring, being too...too whatever. So, I get the feeling that now we're trying to be more "tolerant" or something and it leaves me in a place of never being too sure WHAT to do or HOW to handle these types of things.

I mean, it's clear what this forum is about...it isn't a paleo diet forum but there are some out there that exist. It isn't a "anything-goes" forum, but there are some out there.

I'm sorry for those of you who are getting offended at some of these (seemingly) meat-advocating threads...but at this point, I really don't know what to do about whether to close it up or not.

Life was so much easier when I just allowed myself to be the firm, "mean", enforcer moderator...but this trying to appease everyone makes things a lot more confusing and complicated at times when one group of folks are saying "we WANT ____" and the other group is saying, "we DON'T want _____".

I mean, how many of our raw vegan members even said they were glad those recent egg/fish threads weren't shut down?

Da**ed if I do...da**ed if I don't, I tell ya!!

[Sharon in Colorado]

Well, personally that egg thread vexed me because you are right, it started out as a question, but then folks were talking about how GREAT eggs are, how thick and lustrous it was making their hair when they ate it raw in their smoothies.

The ones about people slipping up and eating cheeseburgers don't bother me because they are not extolling the virtues of fried meat and dairy.

I just read that Okinawa one and see that it kind of went in the same direction as the egg one, with people saying how great and natural it was.

I think if people are posting from a deserted island where coconuts, ants, fish and wild boar is the only food source, then they should go posting it on the raw plus forums and let the folks here who are able to get fruits and veggies post the way Alissa has requested us to.

[Mookie]

Life was so much easier when I just allowed myself to be the firm, "mean", enforcer moderator :D

Rawkinlocks - "The Terminator!" LOL thnks for the laugh!

I was in no way blaming you the moderator. I was just stating how I felt...

:)

[Revvell]

I'm another who feels as Mookie does.

I can understand Alissa wanting to leave some of these when someone comes and asks in all sincerity and ignorance yet, the Mission Statment is clear on what this site is about.

I'm not offended in anyway by any of it btw. It's just that a point tends to be reached in these threads where those who are not interested in being 100% raw begin feeling justified and oh so happy when they have others who are saying what they are doing.

It's hard to know where to draw the line. I feel the questions "should" be answered so folk who come here know why we don't eat eggs, meat or dairy, raw or otherwise, and the Mission Statement link provided. IF they want to keep on discussing then, go to a paleo forum.

When the thread starts going off-kilter, maybe it could be locked and then when others have a similar question, the link and the answers will be there.

*shrugs* I dunno. Not something that comes up for me as a mod. LMAO

Revvell

[Rawkinlocs]

:D

Rawkinlocks - "The Terminator!" LOL thnks for the laugh!

I was in no way blaming you the moderator. I was just stating how I felt...

:)

Oh I know Mookie...I didn't feel any blame at all, but I'm just saying how there WAS a time when I would not have let any of that stuff slide but now...*shrugs*

[Rawkinlocs]

Great points Revvell!

I think you're right...they can stay, but once they start getting all off into left field, they can/should be locked down BUT left for others to read.


I'm another who feels as Mookie does.

I can understand Alissa wanting to leave some of these when someone comes and asks in all sincerity and ignorance yet, the Mission Statment is clear on what this site is about.

I'm not offended in anyway by any of it btw. It's just that a point tends to be reached in these threads where those who are not interested in being 100% raw begin feeling justified and oh so happy when they have others who are saying what they are doing.

It's hard to know where to draw the line. I feel the questions "should" be answered so folk who come here know why we don't eat eggs or meat and the Mission Statement link provided. IF they want to keep on discussing then, go to a paleo forum.

When the thread starts going off-kilter, maybe it could be locked and then when others have a similar question, the link and the answers will be there.

*shrugs* I dunno. Not something that comes up for me as a mod. LMAO

Revvell

[Conscious Midwife]

I posted once about making meringue out of raw egg whites and it was instantly edited.

I wasn't offended at all I was just like oops :eek:

At the time I was a sprout or seed who hadn't read the rules
so now I'm an all grown up ROOT and just try to be more mindful.

I think it's the context and intent that is important.

I recently posted a grocery list to help an OP with her large family grocery needs. They are transitioning as is my family. My family is varying degrees of RAW with me as the try try again 100% person.
Anyway after the post I wondered if the mods would think I was advocating less than 100% since I listed what I really buy and how we are making a change.

Anyway if it was edited no problem if it was tolerated as an example of our progress, no problem.

I'm just glad the porn stuff and drug company ads get shut down quickly.

Thanks Alissa for the Vision :D
Thanks mods for the effort :D

[dreamrawalwz]

I mostly agree. If the post is about a person in transition and having to keep fish or one other animal product in their diet once in a while to keep them from backsliding completely to SAD then I support them assuming their intent is to eventually remove the animal product. Now when the thread goes from a harmless question to how good the eggs, meat, fish, ect. are...waht's the point of this forum? It's a raw vegan forum. If you eat those things, that's your choice, but please be respectful of those that are aiming for being vegan or are already vegan and keep it to yourself. Sometimes just hearing one statement of how that product is "good" can be enough for someone on the fence to rationalize to eat first fish, then it may go to eggs, then dairy, ect. until they're back to where they started. It is hard to know when to draw the line though. If a newbie asks "why is fish/egg/dairy/meat bad for you? Could you please give me some links?" I'd gladly help them, but I can't support those advocating animal products. To each their own decision on their journey to health, but realize what this forum is about please.

[Miss Marie]

I am sorry I caused such a stink with the thread I started about eggs :( I didn't know it would upset people so much. Being new to the RAW diet, I was just curiouse about it.

[Rawkinlocs]

Miss Marie, you really have nothing to apologize for. I mean, as it was said, it was an innocent question that you very much have a right to ask...no problem at all.

The "problem" is when people start chiming in with, "Oh SURE, eat raw eggs...raw eggs are da BOMB!" and stuff like that ON a raw vegetarian forum and they know that's not advocated here. Raw eggs or raw meat very well may be a part of the diet for many members here, but they are reminded that this is not a discussion group FOR that portion of their raw diet.

You did not know...but for some reason people took your innocent question and ran with it when they know we don't really get into advocating that here. I mean, if at anytime in my raw-eating life I decided to incorporate raw eggs or raw fish or even cooked meat into my diet, I would NOT bring it to this forum because I know that this is not the place for that..but some of our members chose to display the fact that they eat these things here...that's the no-no. This is not the place for that.

So, please don't feel like you caused a ruckus or anything.

[sport]

I sort of welcome those posts because then we get the opportunity of pointing them in the right direction and passing on what we know to be true.
If people can not post these things but continue to do them then we will not be in a position to offer them advise on the subject.
If you had kids who were doing something wrong would you not like to know so that you can guide them in the right direction.

[Mookie]

I sort of welcome those posts because then we get the opportunity of pointing them in the right direction and passing on what we know to be true.
If people can not post these things but continue to do them then we will not be in a position to offer them advise on the subject.
If you had kids who were doing something wrong would you not like to know so that you can guide them in the right direction.

Sport, it is not the posts with questions... it is like Rawkinlocks says..
the poster who run away with it and extoll the virtues of whateve animal product they can.....