View Full Version : having some trouble...need guidance
08-15-2006, 05:52 PM
Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum and could use a little guidance. I've been raw for a little over two weeks. Maybe my expectations were too high based on everything I've read in Alissa's book and many others, but I assumed that by now I would be feeling the "miraculous" effects everyone describes when going on this diet, and I'm just not.
I figured that because my diet wasn't all that bad before going raw (I had given up refined carbs and sugar three years ago, then evolved during the last six months into more of a "Paleo" style diet in which I also dropped dairy and all processed foods, and then moved onto completely raw vegan) that the positive effects of more energy, clear head, better digestion, etc. would happen pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure I'm suffering from a Candida overgrowth (based on a saliva test and symptoms) and I know that's giving me terrible digestive problems and lethargy. I was really hoping that a combination of Threelac (a probiotic yeast remedy) and the raw diet would help, and it really hasn't.
I feel as though I'm the only person in the world who could start a raw vegan diet and actually GAIN weight (I haven't gone on the scale because I'm too afraid, but based on my appearance and the fit of my clothes I'd say I've gained at least six pounds). I hadn't set out to lose weight, merely to maintain, and am disappointed by the gain. I've been watching the fats (I think I eat a reasonable, necessary amount of fat in the form of avacado and a sprinkle of pumpkin seeds on my salad), and I don't think I've been gorging myself. I'm trying not to count calories or anything too structured, because the whole appeal of this diet to me was the freedom of not having to worry about protein, carbs, etc.
I guess I was really excited about the energy and "glow" everyone seems to get, and I figured that after two weeks I'd at least start to see an inkling of it. The fact is, I don't think I'm better off health-wise than when I was eating a higher lean-meat protein diet, and my weight is certainly NOT better.
In spite of this, I still think that I feel more comfortable eating this way than the other diets I've been on, and I would like to stick with it. I guess what I'm hoping is that someone will tell me that they experienced the same thing and that it suddenly "kicked in" and they lived happily ever after. I just don't feel as though I'm having the same experience as everyone else.
Sorry this was so long and whiny, but I guess I just needed to vent to someone.
08-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Yes - ditto that. I felt it for part of a day after just one week but then various forms of detox(?) set in and I haven't been able to get it back. I am kind of wary of this term "detox" as it is so easy to blame everything on it. I am losing weight but I am not happy with it as I am getting very irregulaly shaped - I am only losing up top and not anywhere below the waist - with my other weight fluctuations this did not happen. Is this a 50 something kinda thing? But I am also taking Omega3 supplement and that helps people lose weight also so maybe my weight loss is from that and not raw at all.
08-15-2006, 06:02 PM
Yes - ditto that. I felt it for part of a day after just one week but then various forms of detox(?) set in and I haven't been able to get it back. I am kind of wary of this term "detox" as it is so easy to blame everything on it. I am losing weight but I am not happy with it as I am getting very irregulaly shaped - I am only losing up top and not anywhere below the waist - with my other weight fluctuations this did not happen. Is this a 50 something kinda thing? But I am also taking Omega3 supplement and that helps people lose weight also so maybe my weight loss is from that and not raw at all. Oh I forgot to mention that alot of people I have known don't start losing weight for a month or so - must have to do with the individual metabolism and such.
08-15-2006, 07:34 PM
2 weeks-----your body may be healing other things and it may put on or take off pounds while doing so. Its early yet, give it some time.
08-15-2006, 07:39 PM
Try to be patient, and enjoy feeling like you've found the way you want to eat :)
A lot of people have different responses to going raw. Some people lose weight immediately, some gain it, some stay the same. For me, I lost a bit the first couple of weeks but then I came to a screeching halt. My body looks a bit weird right now too but I know that if I keep Raw things will even out.
All the best.
08-15-2006, 07:54 PM
-I believe it is a good thing to eat healthy because you believe it is the best food / diet for you. Beyond that, you cannot control whether you gain weight or not (although I'm sure you will be at your idea weight when you are eating what YOU have researched to be ideal).
08-15-2006, 08:22 PM
Well, it depends what you eat - average raw fooder eats 65 percent callories from fat, where average SAD eater 45%. If you do that, and that is very easy to do - since fruits themselves have around 6 percent callories from fat and you don't need more than 10 percent. The problem with too much fat - your body has to work very hard to break it down, and that's why your energy levels go down.
I don't know about weight. For me weight stays low as long as I eat really raw stuff - no dehydrated stuff or oils, which are processed food and even though a little better than cooked, but just a little.
If you still gain weight, make sure that everything you eat is truly raw.Sundried might not be raw, because if they kept things directly in the sun - temperatures probably rose way above 120 degrees. You know - you can actually cook an egg in the sand in the sun.
08-15-2006, 08:54 PM
Green, that's actually a very good suggestion, and it had occurred to me that my next adjustment should probably be to drop the dried fruit, the flax crackers and the little bit of flax oil I was having on my salad. I was thinking that perhaps the dehydrated stuff isn't really qualifying as raw as far as my body is concerned, even though it's technically permissible. I think I will use carrot slices instead of the flax crackers for dipping in my guacamole, and will use guacamole instead of the flax oil in my salad. The one bad thing is that I love dates, and because I have trouble finding fresh dates I'd started buying dried ones, but I guess those have to go too. I'm going to give this a try, because I really believe on some fundamental level that this is the right way to eat and I want it to work. Thanks for the feedback!
08-16-2006, 05:35 AM
Raw truly IS all that it is rumored to be. You will literally glow with health and feel amazing but it takes TIME. 2 weeks is nothing, as far as your body goes (it is a big deal for your willpower and all that, though :) ). My adjustment phase and detox lasted for about 2 months. I'm just now starting to the see the amazing results, but they really are AMAZING. I always say that after years of eating cooked (even if it isn't that bad of a cooked diet), our bodies have no obligation to make a quick adjustment just because we say so. This is your body's time to heal, adjust and release toxins. It may take a long time. Hang in there, you're doing great.
08-16-2006, 05:55 AM
I am kind of wary of this term "detox" as it is so easy to blame everything on it. I am losing weight but I am not happy with it as I am getting very irregulaly shaped - I am only losing up top and not anywhere below the waist - with my other weight fluctuations this did not happen.
I think that the term isn't used enough. Because really, any form of sickness or fatigue is a form of detox in some way. It may seem that we throw that term around a lot but it is totally correct and warranted. On a 100% raw vegan diet you simply don't have these probelms or VERY RARELY once the detox is truly done. Those that have been raw a long time and follow a balanced way of eating, simply don't get sick or tired at all or very often. Sure sometimes it takes months and even years of adjusting, but it is a truth. We aren't wrongfully blaming everything on detox, we are rightfully realizing that our bodies really do need to release YEARS of pent up toxins. The more years eating cooked or SAD, the more time detox should and will take.
I'm 19 and I have noticed the same with the weightloss, I am losing it from the top down and I now realize that it is meant to be that way. You say that this is different from any other weight loss you've had, well that is because the lifestyle of raw vetganism is likely different from any diet you've tried. Almost everything in the natural world dissipates from the top down: Water evaporates from the surface before it does the bottom, Earth is carried away by the wind from the top of the soil bed first etc. Why should our bodies be any different from the laws that govern the rest of the natural world of which we are part?
The fact that this weightloss is different from all the others should be a sign to you that it is right, because raw is right. I say, we should all trust the process. Our bodies are intelligent. when we fuel them properly and keep the junk away, our bodies do what they should and more.
We all know (either consciously or sub-consciously) that raw vegan is the way we were meant to live, so when it isn't going as well as we'd hoped, we should probably first question other factors in the environment (including ourselves) before we question raw.
08-16-2006, 08:01 AM
Thanks for the inspiration lisso. I guess I just needed to hear someone say that it took them much longer than 2 weeks to see the results, but that they DID see them eventually. It inspires me to keep on truckin'. Actually, it's not all that hard--the truth is, I don't really miss the other stuff I was eating, and I don't really feel deprived. So I'm going to give this how ever long it needs, and I trust that sooner or later I will start to see changes.
On an interesting note, I noticed yesterday that my nose was really stuffed (very unusual for me) and my ears were clogged with wax to the point that I had to make an appointment with the doctor to have it removed. I guess my body is detoxing, which I find very encouraging. :D
08-16-2006, 09:29 AM
I'm at about three months and still waiting for miraculous results . . . I did feel bloated for the first 6-8 weeks, but that went away. I haven't lost any more than the five pounds I lost in the first couple of weeks. I still feel lethargic most times (but I do have periods where I feel better), my nose is still stuffy, and I have candida symptoms on and off. I don't eat any dehydrated foods, but I do use some nuts, sunflower seeds and avocado - nothing excessive, but I'm afraid to put much effort into cutting back because some people end up with cravings and slip from their raw diet when they go too low on the fats.
I'm a bit discouraged, but I'm still plugging away because I know that if I go back to a healthy SAD diet, things will stay the same or get worse, but things might get better eating raw. At this point, it's my only hope. They say it can take two years for all the toxins to get out and for full healing to take place. I guess if I'm not seeing miraculous results by then, I'll know there's something else going on my body that's beyond diet.
Audrey (chilove) said that it took her a full year on a raw diet before her energy came back, and rawnora didn't lose any weight for eight months.
08-16-2006, 10:21 AM
We are all so very different and we can't expect the same results.
I started off with a BANG and have really had to accept that for me things will move a bit slower.
I did lose body aches and pains pretty fast and that alone drives my continued journey.
My weight is coming off slower than I had hoped and that is always disappointing but I can also feel how very far now that I needed to go to change and cleanse my body.
We live in a world of instant gratification that has spoiled us to true satisfaction for our true efforts. Rock On
I keep going back to this thought:
It took me YEARS of eating wrong and lifestyle to get to where I was and how incredibly lucky I am to have found the RIGHT way to eat and live now and that it won't take the same amount of time to fix the damage and I have already seen some awesome changes and I expect more to come :D
Some days are almost brutal, but in comparison? most of my days used to be brutal. How fast we forget how bad it was when things get better!
Well, really that was just a lot of verbage to say that Hang in there and keep the path and you will see results !
08-16-2006, 10:34 AM
Pailani, I think that for both of us the Candida may be at the heart of the problem. I've read a lot about it, and it definitely causes lethargy (sometimes extreme) and makes it very difficult to lose weight. I feel that horrible bloating all the time, even when I first rise in the morning and there's nothing in my stomach. I've recently starting taking some herbal remedies and probiotics to try to fight it off, and I'm hoping once it's gone I'll begin feeling the benefits of the diet. I think we just need to keep the faith!
08-16-2006, 11:12 AM
srlygrl, let me know if that helps. The PH Miracle, which advocates a lot of vegetables but isn't all raw, deals a lot with candida. I've been considering applying what he says to a raw diet, but it would mean no more fruit for awhile and I'm not sure how doable such a diet would be.
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