Holistic Ob/gyn...whatever, my first and last visit!

[Lay-Lay]

Hey I had my doctors visit and in some ways she was fine but in others she was way off.

First of off I told her I was on a raw diet. She knew what I was talking about. She asked me what I ate so far today. Then she proceeded to tell me that I was not getting enough protein or calcium. I told her how much better I am feeling, she could see I felt strong on this issue so she dropped it.

Later she said also that She did to her offense say that some diets work better for some people while others don't. I told her I agreed with that. Then she said if this one agreed with you then your face would be clearer. I explained that I had been going through detox, but she skipped over that.

Then she asked me if I believed that sickness can be effected by emotional issues. I said yes I do. Then she proceeded to tell me that all of my problem were caused because I had been molested as a child. I explained I had never been abused, but she wouldn't hear of it. She said I was repressing it. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY. I know where she is coming from by some of the books I have read, but this is not the case with me. I thought she had alot of nerve to say such a thing. I had a very balanced, very happy childhood. She then told me I need to see a hypnotherapist or a claravolent.....no way on sooooo many levels!

I don't know how you can spend less then 10 minutes with someone and them tell you this.

Then she said that I needed to lose weight, no duh! I am exercising and on a raw diet, what do you want me to do surgically remove my fat.

Hey one great thing was my blood pressure for the first time in ages was normal 117/70....YEAH!

She did take some hormone test which I will be interested in seeing the results. But I WILL NEVER go back to her. What a joke!

Thanks for listening to my rant!

[luckitri]

There are alot of whack jobs out there. Good for you for sticking to what you know is right and true!

[Coriander74]

Congrats on your blood pressure reading :) That's great!

I hate that when doctors think they know you immediately after meeting you, then judging you on how you're eating and how you live your life. Good for you for telling her how it is :D

[Spectatrix]

I had a doctor grill me about calcium when I told her that I didn't drink/eat dairy. Needless to say, I've avoided her since then.

[mcasburn]

Please don't gauge every N.D. or holistically-minded M.D. by your experience with one... there are many, many different doctors out there, and you have to find the one that's right for you. Is there anybody else on your plan? I love my N.D. but she didn't work for a friend of mine.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this post and you only meant that you won't see THIS one again....? :)

[berrymarymac]

.... :(

I feel so bad since I gave you her name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sooo sorry!!!

[Lay-Lay]

Please don't gauge every N.D. or holistically-minded M.D. by your experience with one... there are many, many different doctors out there, and you have to find the one that's right for you. Is there anybody else on your plan? I love my N.D. but she didn't work for a friend of mine.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this post and you only meant that you won't see THIS one again....? :)


No, I'm just talking about this one.

[Lay-Lay]

.... :(

I feel so bad since I gave you her name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sooo sorry!!!


You shouldn't feel bad. I choose to go to her and how would you know? I had to experience it on my own. No biggy!

[Lay-Lay]

Spectatrix - I hear ya. I wanna call this one back up and as for my dang $220.00 back.

Coriander74- thanks, yes me too!


luckitri - Sure is, thanks! I do commend her for taking a look at the holistic approach, but leave you opinion and judgements out of it is what I say.

[rawstrawberry]

Oh dear, sorry to hear about your experience.

Wow why would you try to convince someone of something that awful.

Raw Strawberry

[Xanadu]

Hi Sis,
She sure was a nutcase launching into such an idiotic idea for no reason but it's probably "all about the money" as Kevin Trudeau is fond of saying. If she gives you a referral to someone else she is probably expecting even more out of it than just from you...referrals from them to her, kickbacks, etc. or she might have already recieved a favor from them and is doing payback. I sure wish it was like it used to be in Oriental countries where you only paid if you got well. : ) It would be only right. But not in this system, huh.

[Lay-Lay]

Oh dear, sorry to hear about your experience.

Wow why would you try to convince someone of something that awful.

Raw Strawberry

Thanks, that's what I am saying. It was almost like I needed too root through my feeling until I have convienced myself that I am unhappy and something horrible has happened to me. Why would I do this? I have no problem working on my emotions, but inventing things that didn't happen, that is crazy.

[Lay-Lay]

Hi Sis,
She sure was a nutcase launching into such an idiotic idea for no reason but it's probably "all about the money" as Kevin Trudeau is fond of saying. If she gives you a referral to someone else she is probably expecting even more out of it than just from you...referrals from them to her, kickbacks, etc. or she might have already recieved a favor from them and is doing payback. I sure wish it was like it used to be in Oriental countries where you only paid if you got well. : ) It would be only right. But not in this system, huh.

haha, yeah that would be cool. It sure would change the way alot of doctors would practice if they actually had to make people better.

[JEN]

Wow, Im surprised she didnt offer you anti depressants. Maybe she was molested as a child and relates her experience to everyone elses. How rude!

[Lay-Lay]

well she did leave me feeling depressed, LOL. I mean I've been abused and don't know it. I guess I am soooo happy for no reason. Wow it feels so great that I don't have to feel happy anymore.

You know I have friends and family that have been through abuse. I know they hurt so bad. My heart goes out to anyone that has experienced this. My question is why would you want to push this theory on anyone?

She may have been, but I am not qualified to make that assumption, just like she isn't with her brief evaulation of me.

[rawpriestess]

I don't see doctors, I never will, they will tell you something, and it is like a curse.

Our bodies are made to heal themselves, we don't need bandaids, or aspirin or medicines

We need love, love of self, and love for everyone else, this is true healing of our own body when we send out love.

I truly believe that all the proding and poking and picking at and pushing and worrying and fretting and all that is what causes dis-ease in our bodies.

I believe the stress of hearing about this symptom or that symptom is what causes dis-ease.

Please, be happy, and live in joy, give out as much love as you can, especially to yourself, this will cause healing, and remove dis-ease.

Love, that is all the medicine we ever need.

of course, this is just my opinion

[Davylp25]

Hmmm.. Im confused she just came out and said You were molested? Why would she just say that? Is she pyschic? Does she have that ability? maybe she said sumthin that somewhere may have been true? But I just dont get why she would just say that?

[Lay-Lay]

Rp -thank you sooooo much. My hubby and I were just talking about this very thought. We were just saying that nobody knows my body better then me. Why in the world would I want to be subjected to this again. I won't! I am no longer a guinea pig. I will not be going to the doctors anymore unless I have a emergency.

[Naiad]

Ahhhh... this reminds me of the psych my dad sent me too when I was 18 and having crippling panic attacks.

He spent weeks trying to tell me my gothic ways, with the black clothes and hair, were what was doing it to me. Even though I was in college getting good grades, had a boyfriend and had a great social life with plenty of parties and clubs thrown in the mix.

I mailed him a card a few years later when I was diagnosed with an adrenal problem (causing cortisol to flood my body) to say "Congrats on performing a fine diagnostic service."

[fallenangel]

im beginning to believe that a lot of Doctors are becoming intimidated by this new wave of well informed patients who have a lot more knowledge of health issues. They get defensive as they dont know enough about it and are not used to being the one hearing something they dont know everything about.
at the beginning of raw I went to a doctor for something and mentioned how I was transitioning to RAw to lose weight and get healthy......
she told me it was too extreme......... and then proceeded to reccommend Weight Watchers!!! I mean where are these Doctors getting their education..has she ever read the back of a packet of Weight Watchers ready meal with all its cancer causing crap and tumour causing asparatame!! she then told me to follow the Points Programme and eat chocolate and Ice cream!! why would you tell somebody who has an issue with weight that these foods are anyway helpful!!
well that was the last voluntary visit to the doctor.... unless my leg is hangin off and I cant sew it back up meself am I ever going to subject myself to such ignorance!!!
Im sure that all Doctors are NOT like this one but she was just one of a bad egg and I hope the public get more informed and flush out this blind fate in the doctor system once and for all!!

[vgloveforlife]

Fallenangel- I think you are definitly right.

About a year ago I went to the doctors to get a tick bite checked out. I had done extensive reading on lyme disease and tick bites prior to going. The doctor said a few things that contradicted what I had read and I told him so (in a nice way). He got really upset and said, "if you know so much about lyme disease why don't you treat yourself" and he stormed out of the room. I was shocked!!
Apparantly we can't have more knowledge about health issues than doctors just because they hold the "doctor" title. It's ridiculous!

I dislike doctors as well. Almost all my experiences have been horrible. I am currently taking a naturopathic course so I can treat myself and my family at home if anything arises. I hope to never go to the hospital ever again.

[VSL]

She was trying to create false memories for you. A lot of psychologist quacks are known to do the same thing.

She really went the wrong way about it though... it takes time to implant a false memory in someone, and it's usually done with mild hypnosis and with suggestive comments (rather than just coming out and saying 'YOU were molested' to someone).

[fallenangel]

good for you vgloveforlife, your family are blessed!!! :)

[alex]

Strongly suggest you find a new doctor, or like RP suggests - stop going to see one unless it is an emergency.

And yes, as one person suggested, we patients are becoming much better informed, in many cases, we are much better informed than the doctors who really know little about health (they know lots about disease, drugs and surgery). Even NP, herbalists homeopaths etc, they can be helpful, but as I think most people of this forum know: diet is the foundation of health!!!

If the diet is wrong, all the other stuff is not going to make things right.

For what it is worth, my 2 cents.


alex

[pomegranatebliss]

I agree with you about doctors. I know there are good ones out there, but I rarely find them. I had a good one in Calgary, just a GP out of a college health center where I worked on campus, but she was the best! Now I'm two and a half hours south with no car, and no doctor again.

I'm glad that you stayed with your beliefs throughout that visit. I don't even know what to say about someone telling you what she did about being abused. That's just crazy to make that statement to a person you've seen for ten minutes.

As long as we're all sharing our doctor horror stories....

I once fired a doctor who had been my GP for about five years. As I've mentioned here before, I was bulimic between ages 13 and 23. By 27, I had gained a considerable amount of weight, but the important thing to me is that I finally stopped purging even though it was a constant battle. I didn't like my weight at all, but I figured that it too would heal when I was ready.

My doctor decided that she wanted me to have a gastric bypass operation. She was convinced that it would be the missing link in my recovery, that I'd no longer need to worry about my weight because my body would take care of it for me.

:eek: Let me get this straight, doc, you want to recommend a patient with a ten year history of bulimia for a surgery where she can teach herself to vomit at will. You want to take someone with a long-term food obsession and have her eating a tablespoon or two at a time, drinking nasty protein shakes, and basically giving her the tool to make excuses for continuing eating disordered behavior. Yes, she did, and she gave me a letter to take to the bariatric surgeon downstairs. I never saw her again.

Now, I'm not saying that gastric bypass is bad for everyone - I would never make someone else's decision for them. But for me, with my history, I don't know what that woman was smoking before I walked into the room. :rolleyes:

[Lay-Lay]

pomegranatebliss -thanks for sharing your story. I totally agree, what bad advise to give soemone with a previous history. From what I understand you probally wouldn't have passed the evaulation to get the surgery done, but who knows with some of the docs out there. My mom had the gastric bypass and for her it was a lifesaver. I remember her telling me you couldn't have any type of eating disorders to have the surgery.


alex - thanks, I think I am going to take the No Doctors Allowed approach for a while and see how it goes. Sure would help my pockets out if nothing else, LOL. I am feeling pretty light since yesterday.

VSL - and why would someone want to create a false memory in someone?

vgloveforlife - yes, I have seen this before with my moms doctors. If you don't do what they say because of course the doctor knows best, them get angry.

fallenangel - well for the record, my mom and I went to weight watchers for 8 months. We followed it strict. I loss 3.2 pounds and my mom gained 13 pounds. In addition we were always tired and neither of us felt good. I think there is easier ways to loss weight and gain health. Raw is soooo much easier and far from extreme, is it not?

Naiad - haha, thats too funny. I love that you sent him a card. Its like you were setting him straight and free all at once.

Davylp25 "Hmmm.. Im confused she just came out and said You were molested? Why would she just say that? Is she pyschic? Does she have that ability? maybe she said sumthin that somewhere may have been true? But I just dont get why she would just say that?"

Your as confused as I am. Yes she did. I don't know why she would say such a thing. No and if she is she must have had a cold cause she was majorly off track. Nope nothing at all rang true. I mean she talked to me in less then 10 minutes and she made this statement in less then 5 minutes. Not long enough to make such a bold responce. I think she knew I was there for a holistic approach. She knew I was educated on my own health so she had to say something profound. She was treaded in unopened waters. Thats my take on the situation.

[mud]

i'm sorry if this was a bad experience for you. i can share your pain. :(

i hadn't been to a doctor for almost 10 years, even for a checkup. i started getting health concerns, so my mom made me an appointment.

When my date to actually go there arrived, it was like... 85% or more of the nurses and doctors there were extremely overweight. A few working at desk jobs were actually obese.

i was so disgusted/saddened.

Anyway, the doctor that talked with me and my mom seemed really healthy! Like she had so much energy and viberence! Something i don't see very often unless it has something to do with Mountain Dew stereotypes.. *rolls eyes*

i hope you'll find a doctor you're looking for!

[Lay-Lay]

Thank you, Mud. I think my search has ended.

[light food]

For all of you who avoid docs like me (or don't have insurance and want blood work). This place will do your bloodwork and send you the results. I've never done this, but I was trying to get one of my family members who is doc-shy to do it, but she didn't. It costs $89 for a comprehensive test and you go into one of thier affiliate offices to get blood drawn.

http://www.directlabs.com/cwp.php

[KombuchaCHIC]

Wow, how crazy! I don't blame you for not wanting to go back! I hate dr's as well. The medical industry is corrupt imo, too many dr's are just out there to prescribe a pill to reap the benefits they get. The pharmaceutical industry is a chain of vicious cycles. I can't believe she had the nerve to tell you that you were molested! People can block out a lot of things they don't want to remember, but usually when someone gets sexually abused, they do not have the luxury of forgetting.

[VSL]

VSL - and why would someone want to create a false memory in someone?
Well, in the case of a psychiatrist/psychologist, if you get a client to believe that something traumatic happened to them in childhood, they are probably going to end up paying you for more and more sessions to deal with and overcome the 'trauma'.

Now, I know I just bluntly said that this is what the practitioner you visited was trying to do, it may be that she really thought that (but why, I have no idea!). But if she was trying to create false memories, maybe she would then get some kind of payment if you visited a psychologist that she recommended.. or something along those lines.

Luckily, I think these people are rare.

[Lay-Lay]

Wow, how crazy! I don't blame you for not wanting to go back! I hate dr's as well. The medical industry is corrupt imo, too many dr's are just out there to prescribe a pill to reap the benefits they get. The pharmaceutical industry is a chain of vicious cycles. I can't believe she had the nerve to tell you that you were molested! People can block out a lot of things they don't want to remember, but usually when someone gets sexually abused, they do not have the luxury of forgetting.

Thanks, I hear ya.

[Lay-Lay]

For all of you who avoid docs like me (or don't have insurance and want blood work). This place will do your bloodwork and send you the results. I've never done this, but I was trying to get one of my family members who is doc-shy to do it, but she didn't. It costs $89 for a comprehensive test and you go into one of thier affiliate offices to get blood drawn.

http://www.directlabs.com/cwp.php


Thanks for the link. That kool!

[Lay-Lay]

Well, in the case of a psychiatrist/psychologist, if you get a client to believe that something traumatic happened to them in childhood, they are probably going to end up paying you for more and more sessions to deal with and overcome the 'trauma'.

Now, I know I just bluntly said that this is what the practitioner you visited was trying to do, it may be that she really thought that (but why, I have no idea!). But if she was trying to create false memories, maybe she would then get some kind of payment if you visited a psychologist that she recommended.. or something along those lines.

Luckily, I think these people are rare.

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't for sure what you meant or what you were getting at.

[luckitri]

Once they get their brains washed on that child molestation theory its all downhill and you can't reason with them because the symptoms could be applicable to anyone almost. There are alot of people who have had this happen and their brain has blocked it out. If they are meant to remember it they will. Forcing them to remember it could cause alot of problems. And yes there have been many law suits of false memories having been created and then acted apon.

Doctors have a severe case of the "Us vs Them" and since you have to be exceptionally vigorously healthy to get through the crazy hours of medical school they really consider those of us less healthy to be almost sub-human. Now I need to get me a good Psyche term for this attitude most doctors have because if any of us displayed it they would prescribe us into zombieland! And if we got militant and walked out of the room they would consider committing us for an evaluation!

[Lay-Lay]

haha... I almost walked out, but I was shocked by what she had to say that I couldn't get off the table. I really should have though.