Curious about cheese

[ARhae]

What do I do about salad dressings and cheese? Are they considered raw, beause they technically aren't cooked?? Like, bleu cheese; its just moldy cheese. But raw or not?? And then bleu cheese dressing - does the same apply??
And what about milk? Or any dairy for that matter. Do they count as cooked/heated because of the pasteurization process??

I was thinking about that today [my first day down the good ol' path of raw foods!!!!]

Any insight would be greatly appreciated :)

[tinystrawberry]

They sell raw cheeses, if the package doesn't say it's raw (most aren't), then it isn't. You can buy raw cheese at health food stores and places like that though. sorry i wasn't much of a help :rolleyes:

[sport]

It would be preferable for your health to eat cooked than to eat dairy (raw or otherwise).
There are many threads here about the hazards of eating dairy or log on to www.notmilk.com

[Judy]

about dairy that is not pasteurized, i believe some goat's milk and cheeses aren't, as are some young cheeses and parmesan. pasteurized is NOT raw, and certainly not good for your health. i know raw people who eat raw dairy every once in while without compromising their health. i used to be a strict vegetarian for years, and ate dairy every once in a while, and although i ate cooked food, i had good health.
however, i do believe that milk isn't meant for human consumption and if you want optimal health, dairy shouldn't be part of your diet. think about it, it is a very, VERY concentrated food and very mucus forming. if consumed at all, it shouldn't be consumed in large amounts. furthermore, it is meant for baby animals, not for humans. cow milk is for calves, goat milk for little baby goats, not for little baby humans or worse even, grown ups. we are the only living beings on the planet that tend to drink milk of other mamals (with exception of our pets, we tend to give cats cow milk too, which is actually absurd). you may want to learn more about milk, and i don't mean the 'milk is good for you' kind of advertisements. but to each his own of course, if you do choose to use dairy, raw is probably better.

[madmel]

I understand "raw" as a raw vegan diet, i.e. no animal products whatsoever. For some this also includes honey.

mel

[learningrawways]

Thanks for that link Sport, very interesting :)

Alanna

[Dutchie]

What about Soyamilk. I use that. Can i
go on with that too?
I stopped drinking milk a month ago, and I don't
mis it at all. :D

[dreamrawalwz]

What about Soyamilk. I use that. Can i
go on with that too?
I stopped drinking milk a month ago, and I don't
mis it at all. :D

Soymilk is not raw. You can make nut and seed milks on your own that would be raw.

I also want to add that I think RP and Revvell (sp?) will chime in here sayin that this is a raw vegan site. We don't discuss or advocated animal products...MOds, sorry if that's out of line doing your job! I just wanted to say this now since more people keep chiming in about animal products and not against them?

[virginia]

There are wonderful raw milks and cheeses you can make. Simply soak raw almonds, blend with water and pour through a strainer, drink the milk (you can add sweetener or banana and cinnamon if you like, then culture the solids with a probiotic and place in warm place overnight, you can also add vegetables like onion, garlic, celery, mushroom to the solids and make a loaf or pate. Try with other seeds and nuts too. I usually stay with sunflower seeds or almonds. Virginia

[Dutchie]

I'll go tomorrow surching for Almonds.
Wonder how my milk of almonds turns out.hehe.
But thinks it will be yummie.
Thanks for the answers. ;)

[Graciebeliever]

I would put raw cheese into that, Um no I don't think so, catagory. For me anyway.

If I owned my own cow that grazed on my grass that was untreated and fed it only good things, I still woudn't :) hehe

Fresh almond milk IS very yummy. I use it when I make Raw Corn soup and it rocks let me tell you!!

I also use the pulp to make brownies and bars :)

[ARhae]

Thank you all for answering my ques. about dairy. I am NEW at this raw food diet, and want nothing more than to abide to it correctly. So by asking, and having you all answer my inquiries, I am able to do just so.
I apologize for bringing up the subject, though, because it appears to be "taboo" [see Dreamrawalwz]. If I offended anyone, Sorry.

But a thanks to those who cleared up my confusion. Now I can continue to put the good stuff in and keep the bad stuff out :)

[Graciebeliever]

Please don't feel like you have offended :) Some people here are long time vegans/raw vegans (you know the smart ones that saw the big picture LONG ago?) and I only wish that I had done it as well, but here we are learning and finding out what is what :)

I have found that everyone here is pretty passionate about it and that is a great thing. They are more than eeger to help and answer questions. But like anything when teaching a youngster (yeah like I'm that! haha 45 years young) they might feel the need to impress a strong fact or belief. When I teach my children, sometimes I need to make a strong impression if you know what I mean. Doesn't mean that they are attacking or poo pooing your questions and certainly their desire is to help you down the path :)

Please don't let that stop you from asking questions and giving imput. We range here from Brand new (me me me me) to Very well season vetrans and we need to do all we can for each other.
Plus... We are all different and we see things through our own eyes.

Don't throw the babie out with the bathwater :)
Take the information that you want and apply it and the stuff you don't want or need? Just leave it for someone else who might.

[Revvell]

I also want to add that I think RP and Revvell (sp?) will chime in here sayin that this is a raw vegan site. We don't discuss or advocated animal products...MOds, sorry if that's out of line doing your job! I just wanted to say this now since more people keep chiming in about animal products and not against them?

Arhae,

I'm not a mod and as Gracie says, it's not about being offended. What this site in particular is about is the raw vegan diet as stated in Alissa's Mission Statement.

I'm glad the thread went as long as it has and you got your questions answered. I'm sure there are other people checking in who've had the same or similar questions.

Welcome and enjoy your stay :)

Revvell

[jaurequi]

If I owned my own cow that grazed on my grass that was untreated and fed it only good things, I still woudn't :) hehe
:)


:) Ditto! :D

[Conscious Midwife]

I've made both almond and cashew milk as a base for my fruit smoothies.I don't have a nut bag or fine strain so I just blend continuously with a hgh ratio of water until smooth.

If there is a raw yeast flake option ( doubt it). It would make a good thickner for the cashew milk and when seasoned makes an awesome cheese.

[Cinnamon]

Almond mylk is wonderful, I have some almost everyday usually in a banana type shake. And as for nut cheese, well they are THE best. There is a thread on here for a Nacho Cheese type recipe that I make all the time and even SAD eaters love it. I'll try to find it and be back to post it. It really is so good.

[Cinnamon]

This is one of my most favorite recipes, if you try it... enjoy!

Rich Cheddar Sauce
From Rejuvenate Your Life by Serene Allison

1 large red bell pepper
¼ c. water
¾ c. raw cashews, sunflower seeds, or almonds (I use 1 c.)
1 T. tahini
3 T. nutritional yeast (I use 2 T.)
1 ½ tsp. sea salt
2 tsp. onion powder (I use a small slice of onion.)
1 clove garlic
2 T. lemon juice
Whiz in blender until creamy. Add more water if it is too thick.

You can eat this as a pate which is what I do or dehydrate it for a more sticky cheeze.

[Judy]

i absolutely love love LOVE almond milk. it's great with two bananas and a teaspoon of pure vanilla powder... a bit of a vanilla milkshake only a thousand times better. and from the pulp you can make delicious 'cheese cake' by adding strawberries, lemon zest, honey (or another -vegan- sweetener) and vanilla.

[light food]

http://www.godecookery.com/goderec/grec31.htm

Interesting link about the history of almond milk and how it was extensively used in medieval times. I would gather from the page that almond milk was more popular than cows milk. Of course, now we make it without heating it.

[dreamrawalwz]

I wasn't offened nor did I mean to seem rude. I was just stating the fact of what this site is all about, no worries.

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[Graciebeliever]

http://www.godecookery.com/goderec/grec31.htm

Interesting link about the history of almond milk and how it was extensively used in medieval times. I would gather from the page that almond milk was more popular than cows milk. Of course, now we make it without heating it.

"Because of its high fat content, it, like animal milk, could be churned into butter"

Now this is something I havent heard of. because actually this butter would be very different than almonds ground to "butter".

In ages past I made homemade cheese and butter so I have some idea what I am looking to do ..

This will be a fun thing to look into.

[fuzzywater]

"Because of its high fat content, it, like animal milk, could be churned into butter"

Now this is something I havent heard of. because actually this butter would be very different than almonds ground to "butter".

In ages past I made homemade cheese and butter so I have some idea what I am looking to do ..

This will be a fun thing to look into.


Please let us know how/if this works out - I'm intruiged. Making butter from cream by shaking a jar is an activity often done with small kids and special education classes, so I'm somewhat familiar with the concept... I just have to question if it would work with almond butter. How interesting!