Need some examples from someone who is following 8/1/1

[codajess]

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[Judy]

In the morning I drink a fruit smoothie (for example strawberry banana with 1/2-1 Ts ground hemp seed) or eat some fruit.
After a couple of hours, when I'm hungry again, I eat some more fruit (for example 2 grapefruits, or 3/4 of a big box of cherries, a mango sometimes with some strawberries, or a fruit salad with 1 or 2 bananas and 1 or 2 oranges).
For 'dinner' (I don't have fixed times, I eat when I am hungry), I have a salad or a bowl of soup or something else with vegetables (it could also be stuffed tomatoes or sushi) and it sometimes has a bit of avocado too.
After a couple of hours, in the evening, I have something fruity again, like (3 or 4) mashed bananas with (1/2 ts of) vanilla, a fruit smoothie (this time made of fruit only, no seed) or a couple of ice popsicles made of (blendered) fruit or made of fresh fruit smoothie/juice from the supermarket. Just something 'desserty'. And if I'm in a REAL dessert mood, I make a little tort with strawberrysauce or strawberry cheesecake or an almond milkshake (see my blog for some recipes), but I don't do this every day.

So, this is something like the 8/1/1, lots of fruits, some vegetables and a little fat (nuts, seeds, avocado, coconut). No dehydrated stuff, because I don't have a dehydrator, I actually wonder if I'd even lÃ*ke dehydrated food.
The meals aren't 'fixed', meaning I can eat a salad for lunch instead of dinner, or eat fruit all day and have a salad late in the evening, or have a dessert whenever I like, but usually it looks something like this. Sometimes I eat less meals. I just eat when I'm hungry and per meal I eat until satisfied. I also mind food combining (with an exception here and there) and with the fruit usually do a mono meal. Not because I have to, but because I actually like nibbling away on one sort of fruit.

I'm raw for 2 months now, and was a happy and rather healthy and slender omnivorous eater before. Just normal. I did have a (strict) vegetarian history, know about ayurveda, macrobiotic and eating according to your blood type and food combining and have always had a thing for health, so it wasn't like I was on SAD (I'm not even in America) and had to make a big transition.
I did have my slip ups and cravings every now and then, but now don't experience them anymore and have to say, that besides those nasty slip ups, things came quite naturally to me. I already started with a simple raw diet, since I didn't have a fancy schmancy dehydrator and didn't feel like 'cooking' either (and I'm really not into nuts and concentrated foods anyway), but it even become more simple as time passed. In the beginning I had this craving for savory things and ate nori rolls and salad with seaweed at least once a day. But now I don't really care for sushi and seaweed anymore. I just want watery, sweet fruits and veggies and I don't care much for fatty things either. I don't even care for smoothies a lot nowadays, rather eat fruit pure.

From the beginning I have noticed many benefits, I lost some weight (although I was quite slender before), my skin improved (although there wasn't much to improve, in general it was ok before, but now it is even better) and I have more energy. I also had developed some eczema the last couple of months which was worsening, but it healed rapidly within a couple of weeks after changing my diet. IMNSHO of all the raw diets, 8/1/1 makes the most sense to me, but it may be different for everyone.

[codajess]

Thanks for your examples, I appreciate it. I haven't been on a SAD in years. I stopped eating red meat 12 years ago (half my life,) and went vegetarian 8 years ago. I've avoided dairy off and on for a few years. I gained some weight a year or year and a half ago on some antidepressants. I stopped taking them, and went off hormonal birth control, and I just can't lose any of the weight. I shouldn't say any, because I got up to 155. It's taken about a year to lose 10 lbs. Now I fluctuate between 143-145, but I don't go over 145. I just don't go below it. Sheesh. :rolleyes: :)

[yeahbethany]

Hi Codajess,

I'm not quite "there" yet...but if someone is following 8/1/1 rv, the pattern goes like this:

Breakfast: all the fruit you care for
Lunch: all the fruit you care for
Dinner: all the fruit you care for followed by salad, or just salad/veggies, or just fruit

The dinner meal may have a small amount of fatty food (avo, nuts or seeds) a few times a week...or not.

Amounts/specific foods vary according to your calorie needs and what is in season, what is cheap, etc.

So a few sample days might look like this (amounts vary based on calorie needs/activity level - an active person may need a lot more):

Breakfast: 1/2 a watermelon
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: as many grapes as you want, followed by as much salad as you want (romaine, tomatoes, cucumbers with mango dressing?)

Breakfast: 3-4 pounds grapes
Lunch: 10 bananas, with some celery as desired
Dinner: all the oranges you want, followed by all the tomatoes you want

Breakfast: 15 peaches
Lunch: 5 bananas, loads of fresh figs
Dinner: 10 bananas

Breakfast: 7 bananas
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: Romaine lettuce and tomatoes, dressed with avocado and tangerine juice.

Breakfast: A huge papaya
Lunch: 10 mangos
Dinner: 10 mangos, followed by a gazpacho soup

etc, etc, etc, etc.

Does this help?

[greenfeline]

Here is a link to a woman that pretty much does 8/1/1. She is also doing the Body Enlightenment System with Frederic Patenaude and she posts what she eats everyday: http://rawburchard.blogspot.com/

[Graciebeliever]

Hi Codajess,

I'm not quite "there" yet...but if someone is following 8/1/1 rv, the pattern goes like this:

Breakfast: all the fruit you care for
Lunch: all the fruit you care for
Dinner: all the fruit you care for followed by salad, or just salad/veggies, or just fruit

The dinner meal may have a small amount of fatty food (avo, nuts or seeds) a few times a week...or not.

Amounts/specific foods vary according to your calorie needs and what is in season, what is cheap, etc.

So a few sample days might look like this (amounts vary based on calorie needs/activity level - an active person may need a lot more):

Breakfast: 1/2 a watermelon
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: as many grapes as you want, followed by as much salad as you want (romaine, tomatoes, cucumbers with mango dressing?)

Breakfast: 3-4 pounds grapes
Lunch: 10 bananas, with some celery as desired
Dinner: all the oranges you want, followed by all the tomatoes you want

Breakfast: 15 peaches
Lunch: 5 bananas, loads of fresh figs
Dinner: 10 bananas

Breakfast: 7 bananas
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: Romaine lettuce and tomatoes, dressed with avocado and tangerine juice.

Breakfast: A huge papaya
Lunch: 10 mangos
Dinner: 10 mangos, followed by a gazpacho soup

etc, etc, etc, etc.

Does this help?

WOW your body must REALLY use the energy with all that training :)
If I ate all that now? I would totally Look like a MANGO with legs

I have so much to learn and now that I am getting at a weight that is comfortabe for me to get up and move and, although I don't have the pain anymore, I am still far off from doing the exercise I dream of.

I think I would be in Fruitie heaven if I could get that much fruit inside me :)

[yeahbethany]

Hmmm...
Gracie, I eat that on a day that I'm not training very much at all. =)

If you go to a site like fitday.com or nutridiary.com, and enter in your age, weight, height, and activity level, it will give you an approximation of how many calories you probably require in a day. That is certainly helpful for anyone (because while the foods are the same, the amounts will certainly vary based on calorie requirements).

Congratulations on feeling more like moving! =) Feels good, doesn't it? I've had a very emotionally draining month, so this past week, I hardly felt like moving at all. Today I have the most energy I've had all week!

[codajess]

Hi Codajess,

I'm not quite "there" yet...but if someone is following 8/1/1 rv, the pattern goes like this:

Breakfast: all the fruit you care for
Lunch: all the fruit you care for
Dinner: all the fruit you care for followed by salad, or just salad/veggies, or just fruit

The dinner meal may have a small amount of fatty food (avo, nuts or seeds) a few times a week...or not.

Amounts/specific foods vary according to your calorie needs and what is in season, what is cheap, etc.

So a few sample days might look like this (amounts vary based on calorie needs/activity level - an active person may need a lot more):

Breakfast: 1/2 a watermelon
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: as many grapes as you want, followed by as much salad as you want (romaine, tomatoes, cucumbers with mango dressing?)

Breakfast: 3-4 pounds grapes
Lunch: 10 bananas, with some celery as desired
Dinner: all the oranges you want, followed by all the tomatoes you want

Breakfast: 15 peaches
Lunch: 5 bananas, loads of fresh figs
Dinner: 10 bananas

Breakfast: 7 bananas
Lunch: 10 bananas
Dinner: Romaine lettuce and tomatoes, dressed with avocado and tangerine juice.

Breakfast: A huge papaya
Lunch: 10 mangos
Dinner: 10 mangos, followed by a gazpacho soup

etc, etc, etc, etc.

Does this help?


HOLY! 15 peaches, 10 bananas, 10 mangos...oh. my. god.

Actually that brings up some questions...is young coconut considered a fruit, or a fat? Avocado, fruit, or fat?

Yes, thank you for all the examples!

[codajess]

Also, what are some dressing recipes that would fit the 8-1-1 or combining thing, for that evening salad?

[codajess]

Can I mix fruit, as long as it's all fruit throughout the day, or is that a no no?

[IamLoved]

Wow!

I have always been under the impression that you shouldn't eat a lot of bananas if you want to lose weight. Am I that wrong?

I have been stuck at the same weight for almost 3 weeks now and it is driving me crazy! Actually I have been up a pound, down a pound, up, down, up, up, down, up, down, it is so annoying! For 3 weeks now. I really want to get my weight loss going again. I still need to lose at least 30 pounds, preferable 40. I just don't know if I can give up my avocadoes. I love those things.

Maybe I should try it for a week and see how things go.
Thanks for posting this.

[yeahbethany]

I believe a young coconut is considered a fatty food.

Avocados are definitely considered a fatty food.

Usually, fruits refer to the very low fat sweet fruits. If you are unsure about most foods, you can look them up on fitday or nutridiary and see what their caloric composition is like.

Dressings:

To make a dressing, simply blend a fatty food with an acid fruit. Some combinations can be:

Strawberry-pinenut
pineapple-macadamia
avocado-orange
grapefruit-sesame
Pumpkinseed-tomato

Etc, etc, etc. You can also blend in some other veggies or herbs if you like, for flavor. Tomatoes and celery give it a more salty/savory taste.

If you want to make a dressing without using any overtly fatty foods:

-Mango blended with tomato and fresh OJ (this is one of the best dressings I've tried, fatty or not!)
-Dr. Graham recommended berries blended with celery
-I'll bet mango with lime juice and red bell pepper is good...
-supposedly tomatoes, blended with OJ and a couple of dates is good, too.
-supposedly, tomatoes blended with orange and celery is also good...

Etc, etc.

Does that help in terms of dressing?

[IamLoved]

Ok,

So when you say Breakfast 10 bananas, do you sit down and eat them all back to back or is it sort of a munching on them throughout the morning thing?

Thanks!

[miniaturelion]

i am in the exact boat as you. i even weigh the same. 155 cooked, 145 raw w/out limits - and maybe down to 137 or 140 if i "tweak" my diet (no fat, no sweet fruit, or fasting). but in my experience - i always go back to that 145 weight - no matter what! i was raw for a year with no major weight change (just fluctuated between 147 - 137). then i cut, cut, cut stuff out so i could hold onto to that lower weight (137) & got majorly frustrated & finally ate cooked & went back up to 155. when i was raw i felt awsome! & a bunch of health issues went away - it was amazing - but, i was so angry i couldn't shed that extra weight. so, just to let you know - everyone has a different experience - you'll have to try 811 & see if it works for you. but i ate that way for 3 months & my weight went down for a month then slowly back up to 145!? but i felt great! don't get discouraged about weight. i have learned diet is not the way for me to loose weight - being raw is the best diet. i am exploring other things now in my life. (lol!)

[Framboise]

I have never heard of this 8/1/1 diet. I tried to google this term, but nothing conclusive came up. Does someone have a link where I can learn exactly what it is? It sounds interesting. Thank you. :)

[RawChicky]

www.foodnsport.com is where you can learn more about it.


Is raw cacao considered a fatty food?

[yeahbethany]

Ack! Lots of questions! I'll try to hit them all...

You can graze throughout the day, but I believe most people try to eat meals. It takes practice to be able to eat that much at once (you essentially need to put your stomach through a flexibility training program). Sometimes I blend the bananas with water and drink them that way, as a smoothie.

Mixing fruit is ok, but mono most of the time is best, as I understand it.

As for bananas and weightloss...when you eat a lot of bananas, it keeps you from craving cooked starches and too many fats, because it satisfies the need for calories. :)

To learn more about it, yes, you can go to Dr. Graham's website: www.foodnsport.com. He has a good FAQ section there.

Also, he answers questions at the vegsource raw food and sports board: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/index.html. You can search the board and see what questions others asked, or you can post yourself.

But finally - I can't believe I forgot to mention this - Doug's book, "The 80/10/10 Diet" is coming out in September. I believe there will be menu plans (a week for each season) in this book, as well as all the info we ever wanted to know about this. :)

Doug, and other proponents of Natural Hygiene, avoid cacoa and all other stimulants, including salt, spices, garlic, onions, cayenne pepper, etc.

[codajess]

Yes, the dressings are great examples. Is there a limit on the amount I should use? I prefer more than less. I told you that you have to dumb it down for me! lol

[codajess]

i am in the exact boat as you. i even weigh the same. 155 cooked, 145 raw w/out limits - and maybe down to 137 or 140 if i "tweak" my diet (no fat, no sweet fruit, or fasting). but in my experience - i always go back to that 145 weight - no matter what! i was raw for a year with no major weight change (just fluctuated between 147 - 137). then i cut, cut, cut stuff out so i could hold onto to that lower weight (137) & got majorly frustrated & finally ate cooked & went back up to 155. when i was raw i felt awsome! & a bunch of health issues went away - it was amazing - but, i was so angry i couldn't shed that extra weight. so, just to let you know - everyone has a different experience - you'll have to try 811 & see if it works for you. but i ate that way for 3 months & my weight went down for a month then slowly back up to 145!? but i felt great! don't get discouraged about weight. i have learned diet is not the way for me to loose weight - being raw is the best diet. i am exploring other things now in my life. (lol!)


Ah, but how tall are you? I'm 5'4" and i'm only 24, there's no excuse! arrrgh!!!!

Yeah, i know I'm going to have a hard time giving up spices and seasonings. I love them! I am trying to be careful as to not screw up so much and give up raw totally. I don't foresee that , but i'm still going to be careful.

My average, normal weight is about 135. I'd LIKE to get down to 120. I haven't been 120 in YEARS, and not since an ED.

[miniaturelion]

i am 5' 4'' too! and i am 35 (no kids).
eventhough my body has been stuck at this weight
for the past few years - i _know_ it is not my "natural" weight.
i have a feeling this year i'm going to figure it out &
the weight is going to "fall off".
i hope this works for you & you feel trim & healthy!
i got so discouraged after i went no fat - lost some,
then went back up.... but now i know that i was addressing
some other healing issues - i didn't loose weight - but, i
lost my severe asthma & allergys for good! i use to
take medication daily - i haven't had so much as an
attack in over a year! (if thats not enough to stay raw!!!)
i will never rule out any raw eating plan again based
on weightloss.
so, maybe i'll try the 811 again (coulden't hurt... at least
i know i will never go over that 147 weight raw).
maybe it's just time i need? when my body decides it's
time i will shed it? either way - it's an exciting adventure!

[yeahbethany]

Yes, the dressings are great examples. Is there a limit on the amount I should use? I prefer more than less. I told you that you have to dumb it down for me! lol

If it is a no-overtly-fatty-foods dressing, I would say use as much as you want. =)

If the dressing does contain some fatty foods, tweak the amount based on your calorie needs, and keep in mind that you want to have less than 10% of calories coming from fat (in your overall diet, over the course of a week or so... Not necessarily "at that meal").

[chilove]

Wow, Bethany did a great job of answering all your questions! :-)

I just thought I'd post what I've eaten in the last couple of days so you can see what a 80/10/10 type of diet looks like for me.

I am not as active as Bethany, although one day I'd like to be. :-)

Breakfast--one or two honeydew melons
Lunch--three or four bananas
snack-- a handful of dates
Dinner-large salad with romaine lettuce, cucumbers, tomatos--topped with my favorite fat free dressing--OJ blended with a couple of tomatoes and a cup or so of dates.

Breakfast--a pound of grapes
Lunch-4 or 5 of the little yello ataulfo mangoes (would be 2-3 large mangoes)
Dinner--4 or 5 bananas

Breakfast--one or two honeydew melons
Lunch-7 or 8 little donut peaches
snack-a handful of dates
Dinner--a large salad with tomatoes and cucumber and my favorite fatty dressing, avocado blended with OJ. Yummy!

I love eating this way, it is so simple and I feel better than I have in years! :-)

All the best,

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[yeahbethany]

Hi Audrey! I'm glad you posted what you eat in a day, since I'm still pretty new at this.

Boy, if I ate as little as you do, I think I'd be so hungry, I'd eat the paint off the walls. :rolleyes:

But seriously, all, if you want to know about this way of eating, Audrey is your woman! Check out her before/after pics! :D

-Bethany

[miniaturelion]

yeahbethany & chilove -
just curious, did you have detox when you went from raw to 811? or was the transition easy? did you have any other strange feelings (light headed, bloated, sleepy, foggy)? when i tried no fat high fruit - i got really bloated & retained a bunch of water for weeks - is that a "normal" reaction?
then like i posted previously i tried to hold out for a few months (it was easy cause it was summer last year) but, didn't loose any weight & gave up.??? i never feel well when i eat so much fruit - do you think it's cause i haven't held out long enough? i am open to trying it again - it would be so, so, convienent to thrive on fruit.

[yeahbethany]

Hi Miniaturelion,
I'm still pretty new at this, but my system DEFINITELY did some cleaning out...and my digestive system is still getting used to it. Maybe Audrey can say more?

-Bethany

[Sharon in Colorado]

Just make sure you are eating enough, and getting lots of calories thorugh fruit. Some of the challenges people seem to have is not eating enough, getting hungry and then either binging on a lot of fat or going back to lower-fat cooked to avoid eating fat.

Now, 10 mangos, Bethany, wow, that is amazing. I'm full after 2 large mangos! Being mango season, I am up for the challenge though!

About the avocado and coconut. Avocado is a fruit, but a fatty fruit. There is about 30 grams of fat in an avo. If you are eating 3000 calories in fruit, then you could do 1 avo on this plan.

Coconut, I believe is a nut. The young thai coconuts are not as fatty as the old brown hairy Gilligan's Island coconuts.

[chilove]

Hi Bethany,

Like I said I'm not very active right now so I just eat as I'm hungry. I'm sure I'd need a lot more if were being as active as I should be. :-) I'm starting to work on that! I'm starting yoga to build some strength, I'm really excited about that and I'm starting a serious walking program :-)

Hi Miniaturelion,

I had some minor reactions, it was hard for me to get to sleep at first for a little while, but that went away on its own after a few weeks. I had a little bit of detoxing in the form of some very mild cold symptoms. I had a lot more energy right away and found that my cooked food cravings went WAY down. That was a huge blessing! :-) I found that it was due to eliminating the salt and spices. I've heard other people have had the same experience.

Are you sure you cut down your fats enough? It sounds like maybe you had some combining issues? You weren't combining fruits and fats?

All the best,

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[miniaturelion]

thank you so much bethany & chilove for giving your time to answer my questions. i am recently back on raw & open to everything... finding what works long term. i have had trouble with nuts & heavy dishes (digestion) in the past - but, always figured i needed them for strength & enery - since i feel so light headed w/ fruit only.

now i am begining to think - "maybe i was light headed cause i wan't getting enough calories?" typical day would have been 1 water melon &
1/2 a cantalope one day or 6 bananas, 5 apples, a bunch of grapes.


i was eating only melons for a week (this was when i really retained water - my husband even said i looked like i was gaining weight... even though he never judges lol)- then went into apples & bananas - then banana smoothies w/ greens for a few weeks w/ fruit snack. then i finally started with salad at night - this i would put some avo (about 1/4) & some salt for the second month - i'm not sure... i started getting weirded out at this point? i started feeling discouraged & was thinking "god, who eats only fruit for 1 month & doesn't loose weight"!? - so, instead of quiting raw altogether i gradually added more & more things till i got back to my earlier raw diet.
i was afriad to eat so much fruit again - cause i felt fat, sleepy & grouchy - felt really emotional (high's & lows) i also got constipated on all melon!?
after i went back to my typical raw diet - i didn't feel "right" either & really started to get sick of seeds & nuts. this led me to a series of cleanses & fasts & enemas... & eventually into quiting raw altogether. i always feel weak when i have fruit meals?? i'd love to know why - cause if it's just a matter of working thru it - i am totally up for it.
i really appreciate your thoughts.

[miniaturelion]

sorry for all the misspellings - i'm typing so fast! i am feeling like i was led to this topic for a reason!

[codajess]

Today was my first day where I did a semi-decent job of following 8-1-1..I think. I should've gotten more calories, but I was having a day where nothing really sounded good, so I didn't want to force myself.
I had:
Most of a whole pineapple
a couple handfuls of blueberries
a nectarine
about a cup of red grapes
Salad with about 4 cups of lettuce from my mom's garden (mmm) about a cup of grape tomatoes, about 2 cups of chopped cucumber, 1/4 cup of vidalia onion (which are so friggin spicy this year!,) and an avocado. I used the dressing i've been using...I need to try some other ones. I mix apple cider vinegar, agave nectar, lots of dill, mustard powder, and sometimes a little pepper.

Did I do anything "wrong"? I don't know if I should be avoiding seasonings/spices in the dressing.


When I go shopping, I have to come home and clean all the veggies/fruits. When I'm hungry, I don't want to have to prepare stuff, so I make sure it's all ready to be eaten. I went shopping today with the 8/1/1 mindset!

[Judy]

woohoo, your fridge looks good! yumyum... and so neat.
i don't know if you did anything 'wrong', you should decide for yourself by the way it makes you feel. it helps if you keep a small diary, in which you note what you've been eating during the day, and your reactions to that (energy, how your skin looks, bowel movements, bloating or not etc). you'll be able to tell whether some things work for you or not, for example, if you get easily tired/feeble or notice your bloodsugar level overreacts (like peeking and dropping) when eating all fruits during the day, and eating salad in the evening, you may want to eat the/a salad at lunchtime and/or drink a fruit smoothie in the morning with a bit of olive oil or ground flax or hemp seed etc.
i myself tend to avoid spices etc., however, if i feel like it, i will use it. i do notice i tend towards eating more simple and simple as time passes. usually, the spices make me thirsty and i don't like that, nowadays i just like to eat fruits and vegetables as they are and i have to say, i too, as someone mentioned before, feel better when i eat more fruits and vegs and skip the spices.
it may take some time getting used to less spices, so don't force yourself or this whole thing won't be fun to keep up, your body and taste will give signals when you're up to it. just eat what feels right, and if that are spices, just go for it.
in my case: i used to love savory foods before i went raw two months ago, so in the beginning i had chips and meat and fish cravings, sometimes i'd give in to that, until i discovered raw savory food that satisfied me, like seaweed and sushi rolls. i ate it every day until i just didn't like to eat it anymore. after that i ate a lot of spicy garden burgers and gazpacho (savory tomato soup) but now i don't like thát anymore. and now i especially prefer fruits and vegetables on their own. if someone said to me i would eat like this three months ago, when i still was a happy omnivorous and savory eater, and never had heard of the raw food diet, i wouldn't have believed him!

[peppermintpatty]

Ok, just a reminder for those people who are reading this board, other then those participating in this thread. Alissa does not promote 8-1-1.
So if this seems extreme to you, read more post about the freedom of the raw diet and how you do not have to be so restrictive.
Maybe this should be moved to DougÂ’s veg source board?
Thanks,
Peppermint patty

[Judy]

peppermint patty:

hmmm, i don't know if this should be moved to doug's board, i like it here! i don't want to feel restricted and only move around on doug's board (didn't know he had one actually) ;). i don't think i or the others are being restrictive, i too eat what i like and it happened to be that i tend naturally towards the whole 8-1-1 thing, before i had ever heard of dr. doug graham. i also love my raw desserts every now and then ánd i'm curious about wheat grass amongst others. so i want to be able to read and post about these different, not only 8-1-1 restricted, subjects. i'd say it is a good thing that different aspects of the raw food diet are being discussed here, if that be gourmet food, 8-1-1, ann wigmore, or whatever. yes, it may be not for everyone, but gourmet food is also not for everyone, and juicing is also not for everyone as is fasting, but it's still on this board, right? personally i love it that this board offers such a great variety of subjects in regard to the whole raw food movement, that you have a choice to read about all the different aspects your interested in. so if people don't like 8-1-1, please skip this thread, no one should feel forced to do anything against their own better judgement. if you are interested, feel welcome to read on. thanks for pointing it out, though, it's very considerate and yes, people should be careful not to be dogmatic (dougmatic) about anything.

[rawfigure]

Ok, just a reminder for those people who are reading this board, other then those participating in this thread. Alissa does not promote 8-1-1.
So if this seems extreme to you, read more post about the freedom of the raw diet and how you do not have to be so restrictive.
Maybe this should be moved to DougÂ’s veg source board?
Thanks,
Peppermint patty


PP...I listened to ALissa the other day at Raw Vegan Radio. (very nice interview) She talked about the year she ate mostly Fruit Diet. She mentioned she could not do it longterm though other do. I think she promotes 100 % Raw and Vegan. So I see no reason that she would frown on this thread ? It does not appear it is being Promoted but simply feedback for those who are following it !
:D

[Sunshine9]

Hey, I don't follow 811 but I wanted to just respond to your question Miniature Lion as to why you might not have been feeling your best.

There are a LOT of factors, so it's hard to say. Generally speaking, it is likely you are a fast oxidizer and don't metabolize carbs as well. Fast oxidizers do well eating more raw protein and greens, and less carbs. I am one, and I used to feel HUNGRY within an hour of eating a huge fruit meal. Give me a glass of hemp seed milk though (protein) and I felt totally satisfied. Check out Gabriel Cousens Book "Conscious Eating" to figure out which body types you are, and then proceed from there in designing a great raw diet for you.

I think it's important for us to each design our own diets, because every body is unique and has it's own needs, so there isn't one percetage of fats, carbs, or protein that is right accross the board.

Also perhaps do some research on candida. I understand Dr. Doug's philosophy behind it, and I am more in favor of different schools of thought on the subject. But anyway, you can email me if you're curious about that, I won't get into it here.

I hope you feel better :)

[fiddler]

Today was my first day where I did a semi-decent job of following 8-1-1..I think. I should've gotten more calories, but I was having a day where nothing really sounded good, so I didn't want to force myself.
I had:
Most of a whole pineapple
a couple handfuls of blueberries
a nectarine
about a cup of red grapes
Salad with about 4 cups of lettuce from my mom's garden (mmm) about a cup of grape tomatoes, about 2 cups of chopped cucumber, 1/4 cup of vidalia onion (which are so friggin spicy this year!,) and an avocado. I used the dressing i've been using...I need to try some other ones. I mix apple cider vinegar, agave nectar, lots of dill, mustard powder, and sometimes a little pepper.

Did I do anything "wrong"? I don't know if I should be avoiding seasonings/spices in the dressing.

Not to be picky, but Doug's program excludes onions, apple cider vinegar and the spices. He calls vinegar poison because it is just diluted acetic acid. The onions cause one to crave heavier foods and perverts the taste buds. His main message is fresh, whole, ripe, raw, and organic foods. All of this info can be gotten from his website -- www.foodnsport.com (http://www.foodnsport.com)

Hope this helps. Sounds like you're doing great. Also, remember that Doug states it doesn't necessarily matter how fast you arrive, just as long as you're moving in the right direction. Words to live by.

As for this post belonging on Alissa's site, I find it an excellent topic. Certainly this post has been more helpful to me than the abundant posts on various silly topics ( take your pick, I won't name any but I'm sure you've seen 'em )

811 seems to be gaining ground with alot of folks.

I've even read/heard that Alissa on more than one occasion state that after awhile folks need to simplify more in order to maintain this lifestyle.

Cheers,
Fiddler

[codajess]

Thanks for all your help people! It's greatly appreciated. To follow the mods' wishes, I won't post here anymore.

[chilove]

Anyone who would like to discuss this further is welcome to email me at chilove88 AT hotmail dot com. I also post pretty regularly on Dr Graham's board at www.vegsource.com.

All the best!

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[fiddler]

Thanks for all your help people! It's greatly appreciated. To follow the mods' wishes, I won't post here anymore.
Were you asked to no longer post here? FWIW, I didn't see anything above that seemed out-of-line with this board's mission.

Best regards,
Fiddler

[miniaturelion]

i hope this topic is ok to discuss?!? i love alissa - have her book & dvd
& have bought many as gifts for friends & family. i continue to buy
foods & supplies from this site. (dehydrator, nutmilk bags, spiral slicer...)
go with your body - do what fits you best - eat what you love - experiment
- as long as you keep it raw! are all things live learned from
her & thru this board. i've done many fasts & changed "styles" of
eating raw - all in attempt for me to stay raw. i am curious. even if
it doesn't work for me that's ok - but, i won't know if i don't asked
questions & try.

[RawChicky]

This thread has been very helpful to me. I don't think anyone is trying to "promote" anything, people are just sharing their experiences.

[codajess]

Were you asked to no longer post here? FWIW, I didn't see anything above that seemed out-of-line with this board's mission.

Best regards,
Fiddler

PeppermintPatty said in post 32:
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Ok, just a reminder for those people who are reading this board, other then those participating in this thread. Alissa does not promote 8-1-1.
So if this seems extreme to you, read more post about the freedom of the raw diet and how you do not have to be so restrictive.
Maybe this should be moved to DougÂ’s veg source board?
Thanks,
Peppermint patty
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I'm just trying to respect the wishes of the mods who think this subject is inappropriate.

[Judy]

Hey, I don't follow 811 but I wanted to just respond to your question Miniature Lion as to why you might not have been feeling your best.

There are a LOT of factors, so it's hard to say. Generally speaking, it is likely you are a fast oxidizer and don't metabolize carbs as well. Fast oxidizers do well eating more raw protein and greens, and less carbs. I am one, and I used to feel HUNGRY within an hour of eating a huge fruit meal. Give me a glass of hemp seed milk though (protein) and I felt totally satisfied. Check out Gabriel Cousens Book "Conscious Eating" to figure out which body types you are, and then proceed from there in designing a great raw diet for you.


Sunshine, that's interesting about the body types. I'd like to more about that, and started another thread on the topic, because it seems very logical. Although I had the feeling that I naturally tend towards 8/1/1, I don't react good when I eat too much fruit (like if I eat fruits only all day long). I need one salad at least, and a nice raw dessert or shake with almonds. But I don't like a lot of greens and nuts either... Yes, I agree, everyone has to design his own raw diet according to his needs. The body type thing makes sense though. Maybe you can tell me more about it in the other thread if you like? It doesn't have to be long, just to give an idea. I'm not able to buy Cousens book at the moment, so would highly appreciate it. Thanks.

[NFrawRUNNER]

Thought I'd join in on this link as well....I am approaching 1 year raw this weekend! :D and have felt great....but....for some reason my weight is playing yo-yo with me and making my mind crazy!!!!! I have "dappled" in 8-1-1 eating but am really going to "challenge" myself to track it on fitday for the month of August.....anyone else up for it???? Wanna join me :confused: I too am an endurance athlete! I run and bike alternately since I broke my leg in January (which btw raw foods are the reason I healed so quickly!!!)...I am going to check out foodnsport.com right now again and am glad to have found others doing/feeling the same. I am 5'8" and was easily maintaining 130-135 prior to "my accident"....now it's creaping up and fluctuating from one extreme to the other between 140-147.....I feel my best and run my best at 135 so that is my goal to get to and maintain......and now that I've said it I'd better do it!! LOL ;) If only it were that easy! Hey, maybe that metal plate, rod, and 4 screws in my femur carry all the weight!!! LOL...yeah, that's it right??? :rolleyes:
Thanks for all the tips!
Di

[twinyoga]

Diantha, let's chat. I am interested in 8/1/1/ more and more every day. I hit my 1 year raw journey the same week that I decided to see how I would enjoy eating cooked food. Two weeks later, and I'm craving raw. :)

You have my e-mail, don't you?

[Lunar*Fey]

I have been following this...I don't know if it is because it is summer or what. I have to force myself to consume any fats at all, I just don't desire them lately for some reason. This has been going on all summer.
Any way, can anyone tell me more about how to find out your body type? Besides trial and error...I can't afford error with the state I am in. thanks :)

[luvnraw]

I have read that on the types too but thanks for that reminder! I feel *not right* on so many levels eating too much fruit and need to go re-read that part of Cousens book......before raw I felt best when I ate fruit/protein for breakfast, veggies/protein the other meals and small amount of fruit before bed as a snack without anything else......my problem with that and raw is that I can't do any nuts due to anaphylactic allergies and pumpkin seeds have been giving me issues with my bowels......and I don't want to do sunflower seeds all of the time and develop yet another allergy.....anymore ideas on proteins for raw? :confused: Thanks for any help you can provide!

[rawfigure]

Thought I'd join in on this link as well....I am approaching 1 year raw this weekend! :D and have felt great....but....for some reason my weight is playing yo-yo with me and making my mind crazy!!!!! I have "dappled" in 8-1-1 eating but am really going to "challenge" myself to track it on fitday for the month of August.....anyone else up for it???? Wanna join me :confused: I too am an endurance athlete! I run and bike alternately since I broke my leg in January (which btw raw foods are the reason I healed so quickly!!!)...I am going to check out foodnsport.com right now again and am glad to have found others doing/feeling the same. I am 5'8" and was easily maintaining 130-135 prior to "my accident"....now it's creaping up and fluctuating from one extreme to the other between 140-147.....I feel my best and run my best at 135 so that is my goal to get to and maintain......and now that I've said it I'd better do it!! LOL ;) If only it were that easy! Hey, maybe that metal plate, rod, and 4 screws in my femur carry all the weight!!! LOL...yeah, that's it right??? :rolleyes:
Thanks for all the tips!
Di


HEY DI ! I too am ONE year Raw this week !!

I have been trying to follow the 8-1-1 and thought August a good month (warm weather = fruit !) to give it a solid committment. I came close a few weeks, lost a pounds or two I think (goal is to get back to 125, been about 129-130 the whole year I have been RAW). Last week I then started eating Almonds and that took me right off 8-1-1 !!

SO I am joining in today !!!

I LOVE fruit and August is a perfect month to do it.

[rawfigure]

.....anymore ideas on proteins for raw? :confused: Thanks for any help you can provide!

You will get all the protein needed from greens and fruits and sprouts.

[NFrawRUNNER]

Diantha, let's chat. I am interested in 8/1/1/ more and more every day. I hit my 1 year raw journey the same week that I decided to see how I would enjoy eating cooked food. Two weeks later, and I'm craving raw. :)

You have my e-mail, don't you?
:eek: AAAGGGH...can't find your e-mail....you've got mine? e-mail me ;)

[NFrawRUNNER]

HEY DI ! I too am ONE year Raw this week !!

I have been trying to follow the 8-1-1 and thought August a good month (warm weather = fruit !) to give it a solid committment. I came close a few weeks, lost a pounds or two I think (goal is to get back to 125, been about 129-130 the whole year I have been RAW). Last week I then started eating Almonds and that took me right off 8-1-1 !!

SO I am joining in today !!!

I LOVE fruit and August is a perfect month to do it.
I do the same thing with nuts....they make me crazy! I have a few and MUST HAVE MORE! :D like a "nut junky!" so I am trying to avoid them completely unless a miniscule amt. for 8-1-1.....I am finding it easy to do by tracking on fitday.com I also love all the fruit.....and cold bananas from the fridge, yum! I discovered that after keeping them there due to our increasing fruit fly population!!! Happy anniversary Leslie! Cheers with a watermelon juice :D

[Alissa]

This thread is fine. no one was asked not to post here anymore.
No worries :)

[rawfigure]

This thread is fine. no one was asked not to post here anymore.
No worries :)

Good because I need some support in eating 8-1-1 :D :D and this board is all about support !!

DI...yes I have an Almond addiction ! I find if I eat a few it triggers a nut binge ! Then I feel terrible mentally and beat myself up for lack of control. I am thinking I need to take a break from them and see if I can "detox" myself from this trigger !!

[twinyoga]

Good morning. This is going to be a fun journey together.

Alissa, thanks for supporting us and the 8/1/1/ approach. We wouldn't be here without you!

Di, I'll look for your e-mail. I don't mind sharing mine. It's debbierenee@sbcglobal.net.

Could we start an 8/1/1 thread or maybe just share on the August challenge.

I'm off to eat plums. :)

[NFrawRUNNER]

I think we can just keep posting on this thread don't you? I am finding it easy to track on fitday.com as it has the graphs, etc....8-1-1 puts a lot more emphasis on fruits which is perfect right now......mmmm melons!!!! and refreshing smoothies!!!! Good luck!
:D

[karenbeel]

Hi everyone I have really enjoyed following this thread. I have been dabbling in this eating 8/1/1 for a little while now and feel so much better for it however I never seem to be really that hungry I could probably go all day without eating with no problem, however I do still eat, any thought on this?. I have also gained quite a bit of weight too eating this way is this normal!!!!?. My other problem seems to be Slowwwww digestion. So if any of you have any ideas comments ect i would reallllly appreciate it. Thanks in advance and hope that you are all having a fantastic day so far.
BTW yesterday I ate 4 bananas, 2 mangos, couple hadfuls of raisans and 1/2 a honeydew melon and some spinach for green smoothie.
Blessings Karen

[twinyoga]

Oh my. The idea of weight gain actually scares me. I'm starting 8/1/1/ to get some extra weight off of me. I don't have any advice for you. Hopefully others will.

[karenbeel]

Yes I know freaked me out a bit too. I have always been between 115 & 120 I then went down to 100 on just eating raw veggies my body couldn't tolerate fruits and nuts but tried the higher fruit concept and seems to feel right, I have alot of allergies even on raw. Anyway now I am at 130 so who knows, thanks though Debbie for your reply I appreciate it and I will hopefully get some ideas about this from someone who has been doing this a bit longer.
Take care & thanks again
Karen

[dreamrawalwz]

I keep thinking about doing something like this. Does the 80% include greens? I've been craving more and more fruits lately. My body just likes the watery foods. The time I remember I felt the best was last summer and the one before that. Both times was on vacation overseas and consumed a few pieces of fruit and a few plain simple salads. Hmm...I should do that again lol.

P.S. I don't think this disrepsects the site at all. It's not promoting anything. It's just talking about a way to eat, just like others eat no fat, high fat, whatever they want as long as it's raw, high fruit, no fruit, ect.

[karenbeel]

I think you should if thats what your body is wanting. I add greens to my smoothies i also do salads too.
Blessings karen

[Sharon in Colorado]

Well, I went ahead and got a case of bananas and was all ready to start on my 'banana diet' but then I got melancholy thinking about all the 'other' fruit and recipes I was missing out on.

It was SO hot here, that the bananas quickly ripened to the point that they were too ripe to eat plain.

So between smoothies, freezing and ice cream, the bananas have been used up. I am just glad that none of them got thrown out.

I am so used to doing my 1 qt green shake in the morning (fat-free) that I think I will stay with that routine and create better habits the rest of the day.

This is my recipe for those interested. I am halving it for you, because I make 2 large blender containers for the whole family:

Fruit Shake

1 cup orange juice
4 bananas
handful greens (I usually use spinach)

Blend down on low and add:

2 cups frozen peaches or mango
2 cups frozen strawberries

Blend on high until smooth


I will vary with what I have on hand, like use 1/2 fresh fruit, etc. But that is my basic smoothie recipe and the family is happy with it.

[LovingLife]

First, I have to tell you Codajess, I love your picture of your fridge!!!! I should take a pic of my fridge so you can get a good laugh. :D I have six children (and a husband ;) ) and my fridge looks nothing like that. I hardly have any room for fruit, so I put the fruit in there that's already ripe and has the risk of going bad and the rest is in ceramic dishes on my counter (sigh! :( ) I should print out your fridge picture and put it on my fridge for motivation of what it might be like when it grows up :)

I've been exploring the 8-1-1 approach myself and think it goes hand-in-hand with Alissa's raw food ways. It's taken my focus off of grains a bit, which was getting me to eat less water-rich foods. Maybe I'll feel like I need the grains more in the winter time, but for summer, I'm loving all the fruits and salads. I'm actually eating more greens this way with my smoothies and spinach salads that I load up with fruits.

From what I understand of the 8-1-1, it's not actually 80% fruits 10% vegetables, but 80% of the day's calories come from fruits and 10% of the calories come from the veggies, so that's actually a greater percentage of vegetables than 10% since they have less calories than fruits. So percentage-wise in volume, I'd say I'm eating twice as many fruits than vegetables instead of 4x as many (at least I hope to be -- I don't monitor my days too scientifically or I'd go mad :eek: :rolleyes: )

I'm going to the Vibrant Living Expo in Ft. Bragg, CA in a few weeks. Dr. Graham will be there and I hope to learn a bit more about this (and from everyone else there). Sure wish Alissa were going too (hint, hint ;) )

[codajess]

Thanks!!
It doesn't look like that anymore. Lol. It only looks like that the night after I get home from shopping and i've cleaned and put everything away. I have to clean everything when I get home, or else i'll never eat it. When i want to eat something, I like being able to just grab it and I know it's clean & ready to go.

The 80/10/10 is 80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein. Usually it's mostly fruit during the day, then a ginormous salad for dinner. It's mostly fruit because it's easier to digest, you get the calories you need, and you get more bang for your caloric buck without getting too much fat. I think Dr Graham bases it on a 2000 calorie diet.

[twinyoga]

Well, I did it today. 8/1/1/

2 bananas

2 apples

2 plums

a big salad of romaine/broccoli/carrot/grapes/cherry tomatoes/1teaspoon olive oil

cantaloupe and grapes

lots of water and now almost bed time.

[LovingLife]

Thanks!!
The 80/10/10 is 80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein. Usually it's mostly fruit during the day, then a ginormous salad for dinner. It's mostly fruit because it's easier to digest, you get the calories you need, and you get more bang for your caloric buck without getting too much fat. I think Dr Graham bases it on a 2000 calorie diet.

Thanks for the refresher on that. You'd never know I used to get straight A's. I can't keep anything straight in my head anymore. But then again, maybe after a year of raw eating, I'll get better at that. :)

[Sharon in Colorado]

Debbie you did great! :)

[JustMe]

I have a question for YEAH BETHANY or anyone else who would know the answer. How do you "train" your stomach to eat more? I know bethany mentioned this in an earlier post in this thread. it peaked my curiosity... Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks!

[faith4u]

Well, I did it today. 8/1/1/

2 bananas

2 apples

2 plums

a big salad of romaine/broccoli/carrot/grapes/cherry tomatoes/1teaspoon olive oil

cantaloupe and grapes

lots of water and now almost bed time.

Great job Debbie!

You didn't eat very much, though. I could eat that much fruit or more before lunch time. Were you not very hungry?

[twinyoga]

Trying very hard to lose weight! My goal is 1000 calories, no more than that.

I did well with 8/1/1 today, though I did have a bit of a luna bar and a bite (literally just a bite) of sprouted bread. I just wanted the substance or I would've eaten 50 bananas.

2 bananas

2 plums

2 apples (bite of toast)

cherry tomatoes, baby carrots

1 banana, handful of strawberries, 2 olives, (bite of luna bar)

I really, really want to lose weight. After one year of raw, I was still not at my goal weight. I'm 5' 3.5" and weighed in at 130 last week. I want to be around 115. And that's a perfectly normal goal. 130 makes me just a bit too curvy. I think 8/1/1 would be so much easier if I did eat more, but I'm really working on the weight loss right now. blah, blah, blah.

Thanks for the encouraging words on my first day, though. It is a journey.

[daisyduke]

Debbie,
I see that we are very similar in size (I'm 5'3" too and I started at 140 pounds - I know you're at 130 pounds). Anyway, I'm down to 113 pounds now and I mostly just eat bananas. And I eat a lot of bananas. It keeps the fat cravings away and keeps me satiated. I eat about 10 for lunch and maybe 16-20 for dinner. I've never been thinner. When I eat less calorie fruits, I tend to actually gain weight. Maybe try just a week of nothing else but bananas. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually got under 115 by doing this. Hope this helps. It looks like you are doing great!

[NFrawRUNNER]

Debbie,
I see that we are very similar in size (I'm 5'3" too and I started at 140 pounds - I know you're at 130 pounds). Anyway, I'm down to 113 pounds now and I mostly just eat bananas. And I eat a lot of bananas. It keeps the fat cravings away and keeps me satiated. I eat about 10 for lunch and maybe 16-20 for dinner. I've never been thinner. When I eat less calorie fruits, I tend to actually gain weight. Maybe try just a week of nothing else but bananas. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually got under 115 by doing this. Hope this helps. It looks like you are doing great!
I agree with you DaisyDuke! Debbie, I think you may actually be slowing down your own metabolism by not eating enough! Bananas really do make a difference with the cravings. Try peeling overripe bananas and freezing them. Then "food process"/ homogonize in your juicer! MMMMMM nothing like a big huge bowl of banana sorbet!!!! That's my best craving buster! My kids love it! Also, cold bananas are good (I just started keeping them in the fridge!) I am a lot taller at 5'8" and run/bike a lot but I rarely eat lesss than 2,500 calories a day....and I am "losing"....I normally hover around 135-140 but lately had been creeping up to 145-147....I switched to 8-1-1 and at last check was already back to 141!!! I feel like I've been eating so much more (well I guess I have) the past 5 days....but way less fat. I feel less cranky and bloated and a lot more energetic! 1,000 calories is only 10grams of fat???? I don't think it's enough for anyone....Forget about calories maybe and track on fitday.com going for the right ratio instead....the results may surprise you!
Di

[rawfigure]

Twinyoga.....you can lose weight doing low cals but as you have heard ..it will slow your metabolism. I have eaten a low cal diet my whole life and rarely eat more than 1400 cals a day. I have several sisters and we are all the same, naturally minimal eaters. So we find that to drop low to lose or really increase activity. I think if perhaps I had eaten more as a child, teen, young adult....well then my MET would be higher...like Di's..I am green with envy...2500 a day ! :eek: Lucky you !

SO my point is be careful not to eat the 1000 cals every day. It is a good idea to bump your cals up to 1400-1700 (or your norm of course !) every 4-5 days. It takes awhile for the MET to slow down so if you do this and keep activity high you should be OK.

[twinyoga]

Thanks for all of the advice. I have to admitt I'm making myself so confused. Between raw, 8/1/1, calories, fat, blah, blah, blah....I'm over thinking the whole process.

All bananas? I could try it. I just can't imagine. Yeah, I could easily eat 5-6 bananas at a time, I just don't let myself.

This is so much to take in and think about, and at the same time I'm trying to lose weight and find balance. I mean, who wants to count calories and think about food all of the time??

The reason I LOVE raw is because I never stressed over food because as long as it was raw, I knew all was right in my body. But, now, I've become so concerned about losing weight that I'm willing to eat SAD to lose it! How screwy is that?!

I just know that I'm wasting soooooooooooo much energy on the thought process these days. Blah. This does not fit my yoga lifestyle at all. I really want to find peace and balance. My instinct tells me it's all about going back to raw.

Thanks so much to share your thoughts with me. You're all wonderful for taking the time. And I appreciate advice.

[mel123]

Ok, just a reminder for those people who are reading this board, other then those participating in this thread. Alissa does not promote 8-1-1.
So if this seems extreme to you, read more post about the freedom of the raw diet and how you do not have to be so restrictive.
Maybe this should be moved to DougÂ’s veg source board?
Thanks,
Peppermint patty


What/Where is doug's veg source board and is there a group on non-sweet eater's there...high green...

[daisyduke]

Doug's board is http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/index.html
I follow 811 which is high fruit. Sorry I can't be of more help.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Thanks for all of the advice. I have to admitt I'm making myself so confused. Between raw, 8/1/1, calories, fat, blah, blah, blah....I'm over thinking the whole process

Take heart Dear One. Surely you don't need to overthink it. The plan is to eat as much fruit as you want all day long and a big salad at night. So if you really wanted to eat all those bananas, do go ahead. Especially since you are so active, you are going to burn up much of what you eat.

The last thing you want to do is get tired and hungry - then you start reaching for cooked or overdoing the fat, which is what I do a lot of.

[Boz]

Debbie,
I see that we are very similar in size (I'm 5'3" too and I started at 140 pounds - I know you're at 130 pounds). Anyway, I'm down to 113 pounds now and I mostly just eat bananas. And I eat a lot of bananas. It keeps the fat cravings away and keeps me satiated. I eat about 10 for lunch and maybe 16-20 for dinner. I've never been thinner. When I eat less calorie fruits, I tend to actually gain weight. Maybe try just a week of nothing else but bananas. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually got under 115 by doing this. Hope this helps. It looks like you are doing great!


Daisyduke,

I have a couple questions...

Were you exercising during this time?

Is that all you ate in a day? The 10 bananas for lunch and the 16-20 for dinner?



I am wondering because I have been eating 811 for a while and I have lost maybe like 2 lbs. I am 5'8'', about 175 lbs I usually eat a smoothie of 2 bananas, strawberries and spinach for breakfast, or 2 bananas, then like 4 banaas for lunch or like 3-4 nectarines + some cherries, then a salad or smoothie for dinner. Most days I still feel hungry though, i'm just so scared of eating more and possibly gaining weight. I'm basically in the same predicament as Twinyoga. Although I know that I am eating not enough calories, I'm still in a twisted mindset of eating too much sugar or carbs is bad. Overcoming that was/is difficult, yet getting easier. I'm wondering if I'm not losing weight because I'm not working out, also I often use frozen berries from Costco which are flash pasteruzied so I'm wondering if that is affecting anything.

Advice would be great...thanks in advance :)

[Boz]

What/Where is doug's veg source board and is there a group on non-sweet eater's there...high green...


Dr. Graham's forum area is striclty for 811 raw vegans, meaning 80% fruit diet composed mostly of sweet fruits.

Vegsource also has a general raw foods forum that is composed of basically all other types of raw fooders, here is the link:

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw_diet/index.html

[daisyduke]

Hi Boz

Yes, I exercise 6 days a week for at least an hour (usually two hours). I do high reps/ low weight workouts that are considered cardio as well. Slim Series is the name of the program (www.beachbody.com). Nothing has worked like Slim Series to help me lose fat and tone my entire body (and as an exercise addict I've tried it all!).

For the week that I ate bananas, yep, I only ate bananas - nothing else. Somedays it was 30 bananas and others it was probably 40 in a day. I just ate as many as I needed to in order to not crave any fat or cooked food. I felt very satiated. I learned to really appreciate the simplicity.

Maybe try the banana thing for a week. Just don't worry about counting how many and how many calories, etc. The more I worry about calories, the less weight I lose. Now, I do always watch my fat intake. I have only eaten overt fats once since January (nuts and avocadoes). Let me know if you have any other questions. Hope this helps!

[greeninlosangeles]

I just don't understand why some people loose weight on the same things what other people gain. I am already the weight I am happy with(lost 30 pounds on raw), but when I started Dr. Graham aproach, but nothing dehydrated and no concentrated fat like oils, just fresh fruit, veggies, greens and a little seeds or nuts. And I am loosing more weight, which I don't want because my husband already complains that I am getting too thin. And i eat at least 5 bananas a day, usually in a smoothie with greens.
I am happy with stronger detox though - I got torso rash and other signs of detox, even though I am raw for 8 months already.

[daisyduke]

Greeninlosangeles - I think the majority of the problem is that when people go high fruit, they usually underestimate how much fat they've eaten. So they're still eating too much fat with a lot of fruit. This causes a huge amount of problems (digestion) and I would guess weight gain. I think when people follow 811 precisely like Dr. Graham teaches, weight loss is always a result. Also, if you're losing weight and you don't want to -- I don't suggest eating more fat, I suggest weight lifting. You don't want to gain fat, but gaining muscle is a plus! The only way to gain muscle is to lift or do some type of resistance training. Just my thoughts...

[twinyoga]

Question:

I decided to go nuts with bananas this morning. I took about 5 bananas (partly frozen) and made a banana smoothie. About two hours later, my blood sugar dipped. I never had this problem while eating raw. It took about 5 brazil nuts and a handful of peanuts (truely raw peanuts) to stabilize me. Now I'm fine. It was no fun and I have no time for blood sugar dips. I like raw because my blood sugar would dip a lot on cooked foods. But what about this episode today?

Any experienced banana eaters out there (and doing 8/1/1)?

[daisyduke]

If I get hungry again after eating bananas - I just eat more bananas! Eat as many bananas as you possibly can and nothing else. You won't be hungry, you won't crave fat or cooked food, you won't have digestion problems. You will lose weight, feel great, feel totally energized and you will save money at the grocery store =) Good luck!

[greeninlosangeles]

Thanks Daisyduke for advice - I do weight lifting at the gym once a week(since I have a toddler I rely on my husband to take care of him while I am at the gym and that's all he manages to give me), but I do walk a lot - at least an hour a day while pushing stroller with my son and several times aweek, groceries.
The funny thing is i did not loose anything the first five days and on sixth i worked out and then lost two pounds...

[NFrawRUNNER]

I'm intrigued by this whole banana idea....I am trying it today although I did have some watermelon after my (12 mile) :eek: run this a.m. because it was calling my name....I am thinking of doing a mono fruit a day depending on what I crave...just that fruit for the entire day and then a dinner "salad"...today I've had 8 bananas so far!!! I feel like a monkey!!! I wish I had known they were good for cravings before...probably would have saved me from many slip ups! Oh well, hind sight is 20/20....TODAY IS MY ONE YEAR RAW ANNIVERSARY! I feel great and I am "coming out" more in public about it!!!! I am raw and proud of it!!!!....Cheers (I am toasting a banana with ya!!!) ;)
Di

[Lay-Lay]

Hey, I just wanted to give a shout out and cheer all of you on. These days I have been eating alot more like this, but I don't know if I am completely 8/1/1. I just keep it simple and eat what feels right for me.

Yesterday:

Breakfast
banana
peach
Pluot

Lunch
2 bananas
2 peach
2 pluot

Dinner
peach
pluot
celery with sunny green/red patte (1 tablespoon of oil and 2 tablespoons of sunflowers, rest was jalepeno, lemon, kale, and tomatoes)

So my question is: Is the above considered a 8/1/1 diet

[faith4u]

Yes, I exercise 6 days a week for at least an hour (usually two hours). I do high reps/ low weight workouts that are considered cardio as well. Slim Series is the name of the program (www.beachbody.com). Nothing has worked like Slim Series to help me lose fat and tone my entire body (and as an exercise addict I've tried it all!).



I was looking this up and only found a program called Slim in 6. Is that the one that you are talking about?

Thanks

I did find it after all. thanks!

[Sharon in Colorado]

So my question is: Is the above considered a 8/1/1 diet

Try www.fitday.com and plug it all in. When done, check the pie chart which will give you the percentage. It sounds like you are pretty close, though.

[daisyduke]

It seems close to 811, but the jalepeno and oil aren't what Dr. Graham would suggest to eat as 811. He says that if you can't make a meal out of it, then it isn't optimal to eat. No one would eat a meal of jalepenos or oil, so it might be best to leave those out. It looks like pretty closely proportioned to 811 though. Good luck!

[Lay-Lay]

thanks Sharon and daisyduke.

[Lay-Lay]

hey I did the fitday to see what my percentages came out to and here is how the above days food came out for me. It is not a 8/1/1, thats for sure. Oh well maybe someday my body will desire that.

Average Calories
grams cals %total
Total: 1583
Fat: 43 390 25%
Sat: 6 58 4%
Poly: 11 95 6%
Mono: 23 210 14%
Carbs: 312 1025 67%
Fiber: 56 0 0%
Protein: 29 115 8%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[rawfigure]

Thanks for all of the advice. I have to admitt I'm making myself so confused. Between raw, 8/1/1, calories, fat, blah, blah, blah....I'm over thinking the whole process.



I certainly know what you mean ! It can be mind boggling thats for sure. I think you can accomplish your goals with out counting calories and pulling your hair out.

You can probably tell what days you are higher vs lower on calories. Also after some time on RAW I have been able to tell if I am close to 8-1-1 or if I am off those numbers.

It makes no sense to eat on way or another if it drives you nuts and if it causes to much time thinking about food ! In that case just eat RAW !!! :D

[NFrawRUNNER]

Definately don't obsess over it...That's the beauty of raw right? I was shocked at how much fat I was eating too when I switched to 8-1-1....so I basically save 1 serving of fat for my "big meal" (ie 1 T olive oil...) and eat fruit the rest of the day! Good luck!

[Sharon in Colorado]

Definately don't obsess over it...That's the beauty of raw right? I was shocked at how much fat I was eating too when I switched to 8-1-1....so I basically save 1 serving of fat for my "big meal" (ie 1 T olive oil...) and eat fruit the rest of the day! Good luck!

You could also sub avos, coconuts or nuts for the olive oil. You could eat more of it, it's fresh,, and it's not concentrated and questionably raw.

[rawfigure]

My biggest struggle with 8-1-1 is the fat 10%.

I fired up my dormant fitday to log for a few days.

On the 8-1-1 I am finding ..due to my living on low calories (it is a lifetime thing not trying to "diet" and will not change, my Metabolism of living at 1200-1400 calories is what it is !! :( ) so at my calorie level 10% is a measley 13 grams a day to stay at 10% !!

I can do it...all my fruit and veggies add up to that...so that means no overt fats at all, no flax or pumpkin seeds, no nuts, no avo's and no coconut either. No recipes at all that call for nuts. I had 6 almonds today in my banana ice cream and that put me over !!!

I wonder of longterm this lowfat amount will come back and bite me !

Any thoughts....

[Sharon in Colorado]

My biggest struggle with 8-1-1 is the fat 10%.

I fired up my dormant fitday to log for a few days.

On the 8-1-1 I am finding ..due to my living on low calories (it is a lifetime thing not trying to "diet" and will not change, my Metabolism of living at 1200-1400 calories is what it is !! :( ) so at my calorie level 10% is a measley 13 grams a day to stay at 10% !!

I can do it...all my fruit and veggies add up to that...so that means no overt fats at all, no flax or pumpkin seeds, no nuts, no avo's and no coconut either. No recipes at all that call for nuts. I had 6 almonds today in my banana ice cream and that put me over !!!

I wonder of longterm this lowfat amount will come back and bite me !

Any thoughts....

I personally think you should invest in a consult with him. Because you are athletic and train, it would be perfect for you. Bethany here did it (don't remember if it was in this thread or another) and expressed that she would receive follow-ups for several months from him included in the price.

[twinyoga]

Just wondering how everyone is doing with their path on 8/1/1. How are the banana eaters out there??

[blesshisname]

Just wondering how everyone is doing with their path on 8/1/1. How are the banana eaters out there??


Mine is going well! I've been eating anywhere from 8 to 15 bananas a day, i love it. I want to try a day just with all bananas but right now, I need some fresh greens to go with it. So I've been having a big salad at night before my exercise.

I feel really healthy, and I love the satisfied feeling I'm getting, instead of the "oh man im full". I also feel like my BM's are a lot cleaner so to speak (sorry that's kind of TMI haha). I dig it.

[twinyoga]

Amazing how just after two days of eating whole cooked foods, and I'm craving the lightness of a 8/1/1 diet. This is such a journey. So busy observing.

[Lay-Lay]

well, today I was at 77% 14% 9% I thought that was kool. I don't think I will make a habit of following this. I like eating what I want when I want and I want to make sure I am not doing this because I am wanting too, but rather my body wants to. It came pretty natural today except for the bananas. I don't much care for bananas in the mono form, although I do crave them that way at times. Thanks everyone for the education on 8/1/1. It's interesting!

[NFrawRUNNER]

8-1-1 has been easy for me but I ran out of bananas and couldn't have them yesterday and man...what a difference! I ate too many of different things to satisfy that banana NEED :D and it just wasn't the same....it was hard to stay 8-1-1 w/out the bananas! Today, I'll stop at the store!!!!! :rolleyes:

[rawfigure]

8-1-1 has been easy for me but I ran out of bananas and couldn't have them yesterday and man...what a difference! I ate too many of different things to satisfy that banana NEED :D and it just wasn't the same....it was hard to stay 8-1-1 w/out the bananas! Today, I'll stop at the store!!!!! :rolleyes:


I am shy to eat more than a Banana a day. It goes back to my old learned diet that banana's are "bad" for staying lean so I should prove to myself this is not true right ? OK I will stop and get some Organic Banana's.

I was going to eat all fruit this week but I have been given..3 green tomato's, red ones, and 6 different summer squash, cucumbers... :eek:

Can we eat raw green tomato's w/o a tummy ache I wonder !!

[JustMe]

does anyone have info about how to train your stomach to eat more? I tried checking out dr graham's website and didn't find anything there. thanks!

[Boz]

Rachel,

I think it is something that just comes with time. For example...I could only eat 4 bananas everyday for lunch and that was it,no more. I did that for a month or so, and as of yesterday, I ate my 4 then realized I wasn't totally satieted yet, so I ate another.

I think if you keep at it with this approach, within a couple months you can slowly increase your intake.

[twinyoga]

Oh my! I did it. I had watermelon for breakfast. Then a bunch of bananas. I refused to count them. I just threw away the peels really fast. I don't want to think of calories. I just want to focus on how I feel. And I feel very content.

[yeahbethany]

Good job, twinyoga! That's exactly how you do it! Congratulations! =)

[twinyoga]

How are YOU doing? Still going strong with 8/1/1?

[daisyduke]

Yeah Twinyoga! That's exactly what I do! Just throw the peels away! Sometimes I'm tempted to go back in the trash to count them, but I refuse! I'm glad you tried it!!!

[yeahbethany]

Yes, I'm going on week 6 now! I would be online more, but I don't have internet access in my home at this point.

But I'm cheering you all on for sure! =)

[sjay]

Hey, I don't follow 811 but I wanted to just respond to your question Miniature Lion as to why you might not have been feeling your best.

There are a LOT of factors, so it's hard to say. Generally speaking, it is likely you are a fast oxidizer and don't metabolize carbs as well. Fast oxidizers do well eating more raw protein and greens, and less carbs. I am one, and I used to feel HUNGRY within an hour of eating a huge fruit meal. Give me a glass of hemp seed milk though (protein) and I felt totally satisfied. Check out Gabriel Cousens Book "Conscious Eating" to figure out which body types you are, and then proceed from there in designing a great raw diet for you.

I think it's important for us to each design our own diets, because every body is unique and has it's own needs, so there isn't one percetage of fats, carbs, or protein that is right accross the board.

Also perhaps do some research on candida. I understand Dr. Doug's philosophy behind it, and I am more in favor of different schools of thought on the subject. But anyway, you can email me if you're curious about that, I won't get into it here.

I hope you feel better :)


Hi Sunshine9,
I am new to the rawfood diet and have been reading a couple of books
about the benefits so I am keen to give it a go.
I had changed my diet almost 2 years ago by cutting out white flour/pasta,
bread and cutting down on potatoes but eating more salad and fruit,nuts
and seeds(I didnt know about soaking nuts and seeds though)
My problem is lightheadiness and loss of energy very quickly when my
food is used up, maybe its because I don't eat enough, but I couldnt
eat anymore after my salad and fruit, I do have to snack every few hours
but wondered how to eliminate the drained energy feeling I am getting
which makes me feel v tired and I have not been sleeping through the
night without having to have an early morning snack for ages. I was
advised to eat protein and complex carbs at every meal because of
my low blood sugar, but this doesnt even sustain me.
Any help would be appreciated as I am new to this,thanks!

[JustMe]

Boz,

thanks for answering. I thought I kept getting overlooked! LOL I'll try!

[twinyoga]

Ok, I'm done eating for today.

I had watermelon this morning. Then who knows how many bananas (about 5?) for lunch. Dinner was a huge salad and some gazpacho. I had four raw olives on the salad. Then I had two brazil nuts and a lick of almond butter (when I made my kids almond butter sandwiches for school). Fitday said it's about 1080 calories (I know that's low), and 14% fat.

Here's my question. Why did fitday calculate 3g fat for my watermelon and 4g fat for my bananas?! I can't imagine fat in those fruits. If they actually don't have fat, then I'm under 10%...and I feel great.

More bananas for tomorrow. :)
Thanks for all the encouragement.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Here's my question. Why did fitday calculate 3g fat for my watermelon and 4g fat for my bananas?! I can't imagine fat in those fruits. If they actually don't have fat, then I'm under 10%...and I feel great.


That is the thing about fitday that is a little off. It seems to round up "fat" in things like bananas, I don't know why. If you just check your overt fat sources like the nuts, olives, avos, etc. your intake will come out a lot lower.

Plus I think the 10% in this diet really does mean 10% in overt fats, not any traces of naturally occuring fats in fruit.

[chilove]

Hi guys,

Fruits and veggies do contain fats! I would believe fitday! :-) That's why it is so easy to eat a very high diet without realizing it when you eat overt fats. And the 10% does include the fat in fruits and veggies, not just overt fats.

All the best,

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[NFrawRUNNER]

I ran a 13.1 mile "loop" this a.m. and had 12 bananas for breakfast!!!!!! :D :D :D
YUMMMMMMMMMM

[daisyduke]

Chilove is right. Bananas, other sweet fruits, and greens do have fat. I haven't eaten overt fat since January (except once) and I've been fine. There's enough fat naturally in our sweet fruit and greens to keep us healthy!

[Sharon in Colorado]

Thanks for clarifying that guys.

[rawfigure]

I ran a 13.1 mile "loop" this a.m. and had 12 bananas for breakfast!!!!!! :D :D :D
YUMMMMMMMMMM

Ok time to come clean, you are really a Monkey aren't you ? :D :D :D :D

[rawfigure]

Chilove is right. Bananas, other sweet fruits, and greens do have fat. I haven't eaten overt fat since January (except once) and I've been fine. There's enough fat naturally in our sweet fruit and greens to keep us healthy!

I am glad to know that you are this far into the year w/o overt fats and feel look good. I have dropped them except for some almonds on occassion. They are slowly phasing out of my diet too.

[Veganforlife]

What IS 8-1-1???

[twinyoga]

Just ate my bananas after yoga and a walk. I do feel like a monkey! eek,eek

Very interesting info on fats in fruit. Eye opening, actually.

Rawfigure...we'll have to hold hands with this banana thing. I too keep thinking "calories!". but i gotta get over that.

Veganforlife...8/1/1 is eating a diet of 80% carbs (from fruit), 10% protein, 10% fat. Dr. Douglas Graham advocates this diet. Everyone on this thread is either following it sucessfully or trying to transition to it. Enjoy

[Veganforlife]

Thanks twinyoga!
I hadn't a clue!

[daisyduke]

Yes, rawfigure, I feel great without the fat. Although one time I went to a raw restaurant and did have some raw nut pate. It didn't make me sick at all. I was surprised, but I still felt great. I exercise a lot too and have tons of energy!

[rawfigure]

Yes, rawfigure, I feel great without the fat. Although one time I went to a raw restaurant and did have some raw nut pate. It didn't make me sick at all. I was surprised, but I still felt great. I exercise a lot too and have tons of energy!

good !!!!! :D

May tummy is really tender today and I have some gas...hmmm, fruit or just coincidence ?

6 Super Green Tablets....I am doing ten days of prep for the 7 Day Miracle Cleanse
Banana
Cherrie
Peach
Grapefruit
Apple
Banana Ice Cream w/ chcocolate pieces (made form Almonds, cacao and agave)
Apple
and a lonely green drink !
and before bed 10 Parasine 2 for my prep to Cleanse.

[Boz]

good !!!!! :D

May tummy is really tender today and I have some gas...hmmm, fruit or just coincidence ?

6 Super Green Tablets....I am doing ten days of prep for the 7 Day Miracle Cleanse
Banana
Cherrie
Peach
Grapefruit
Apple
Banana Ice Cream w/ chcocolate pieces (made form Almonds, cacao and agave)
Apple
and a lonely green drink !
and before bed 10 Parasine 2 for my prep to Cleanse.

It's either the cacao or if you miscombined fruits that could be the culprit as well. :confused:

[twinyoga]

I'm dissapearing for a while. I've let many things (especially the raw diet) effect myself too personally as well as my family life.

Enjoy your jounrey, especially with 8/1/1, and I'll be supporting you in my own ways.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Hey Debbie - shoot me an e-mail if you need to. All the best to you.

[Linda1970]

Hi Everyone,

I read most of the posts here and I'm very interested in this kind of eating because it is:

1) the least time-consuming way of eating in terms of food preparation
2) Fruits are my favorite foods, so I can be completely satisfied eating this way


However, I don't eat this way because all the raw books I've read (i.e. Wigmore, David Wolfe, Gabriel Cousens) recommend a variety of foods that includes a lot of other stuff like sprouts, nuts, seeds, etc.. Is there any good books I can read on 8-1-1? Thanks in advance.

[Sharon in Colorado]

However, I don't eat this way because all the raw books I've read (i.e. Wigmore, David Wolfe, Gabriel Cousens) recommend a variety of foods that includes a lot of other stuff like sprouts, nuts, seeds, etc.. Is there any good books I can read on 8-1-1? Thanks in advance.

Actually the creator of the 8-1-1 diet is Dr. Doug Graham. I believe he has rights to it and all.

So if you want to follow 8-1-1 specifically, you'll need to visit his site and read his books. www.doctorgraham.cc

Now, of course when you hear or read information about Wigmore, Wolfe and Cousens you are going to hear their versions of what constitutes a healthy raw diet. And they are all very different diets as well. The one thing these 3 seem to have in common is they were/are against sweet fruit consumption.

It is great to hear all the different points of view. I definately lean toward Graham's view because I feel low fat is a healthier way to go.

[Linda1970]

Actually the creator of the 8-1-1 diet is Dr. Doug Graham. I believe he has rights to it and all.

So if you want to follow 8-1-1 specifically, you'll need to visit his site and read his books. www.doctorgraham.cc

Now, of course when you hear or read information about Wigmore, Wolfe and Cousens you are going to hear their versions of what constitutes a healthy raw diet. And they are all very different diets as well. The one thing these 3 seem to have in common is they were/are against sweet fruit consumption.

It is great to hear all the different points of view. I definately lean toward Graham's view because I feel low fat is a healthier way to go.

Thanks Sharon for providing me the info. I don't really know what kind of raw diet suits me the most yet, but I sure hope it's that of Dr. Graham's diet since it's the most enjoyable one for me.

[greeninlosangeles]

But bell peppers, cucumber, zuchinni, pumpkins, tomatoe are not sweet, but still fruits. You could base your diet on these, but then you would probably would not get enough calories... Although they are also made of carbohydrates, aren't they? Or do they have more protein, which Dr. Graham is limiting.
Well, I am going to his lecture this Monday, so I will find out more.

[Sharon in Colorado]

But bell peppers, cucumber, zuchinni, pumpkins, tomatoe are not sweet, but still fruits. You could base your diet on these, but then you would probably would not get enough calories... Although they are also made of carbohydrates, aren't they? Or do they have more protein, which Dr. Graham is limiting.
Well, I am going to his lecture this Monday, so I will find out more.

Basically he advocates getting the majority of your calories from sweet fruit, which are rich in carbs and high in calories. And your protein intake is made of greens and celery for the most part, taken in very large portions.

Maybe you can have some questions ready. I saw his and Roz's workshop on DVD and it was excellent, and they were very patient with all the questions being asked. I am sure through the years he has heard them all.

[NFrawRUNNER]

I am loving the vibrancy and energy I feel at 8-1-1. Maybe it's not for everyone because I believe we all have different ratio needs. But as an athlete it is ideal...and look at Dr. Graham!!!! He has been following this for 27 years? Amazing! I don't know how old he is but he appears to be in vibrant health! I think it would be easy to get caught up in the ratios etc....but it seems to me so far....one year raw and about 1-2 weeks 80-10-10 that it gets easier. I mean, if you know you need 2,000 calories then you know you need about 20 grams of fat....That will average out to about one "serving" of a fat daily (ie 1T olive oil, etc...) + the minimal amounts of fat in your fruits and veggies that DO ADD UP!! I am still tracking on fitday.com to get the knack of it but would like to start a new thread entitled 80-10-10 recipe ideas for some simple high carb, low fat combos....They don't necessarily need to be in the 8-1-1 ratio but high carb and low protein/fat....If anyone else is interested please join in! I like to keep it simple too! Mono meals for fruits & 5 or less ingredients or less for "salads" (including fruit salads)......I hope it is o.k. on this forum to start a thread such as this.....It is raw after all! ;)

[VSL]

I've been reading this and checking out Dr. Graham's site and forum... is it really as simple as 2-3 [large and preferably mono] fruit meals during the day followed by a large salad in the evening?

I intend to get his 80/10/10 Diet book when it's released next month, but is it really as simple as the above?! (I've yet to start a raw food diet - still reading and stuff at the moment and just enjoying learning about it for now)

But, as someone who is an athlete and kind of likes some structure, if that basic info is enough to know in the beginning, I can start before the book is released :)

[Sharon in Colorado]

Diantha please do start a low-fat or 8-1-1 recipe thread in the recipe area. It would be wonderful to have photos and everything. I for one would be responsive.

[NFrawRUNNER]

I've been reading this and checking out Dr. Graham's site and forum... is it really as simple as 2-3 [large and preferably mono] fruit meals during the day followed by a large salad in the evening?

I intend to get his 80/10/10 Diet book when it's released next month, but is it really as simple as the above?! (I've yet to start a raw food diet - still reading and stuff at the moment and just enjoying learning about it for now)

But, as someone who is an athlete and kind of likes some structure, if that basic info is enough to know in the beginning, I can start before the book is released :)

It is pretty simple like you think and I'm an (endurance) athlete too. I feel much "lighter" since switching (cleaner?) and I need less sleep. I think I had too much fat before. I often have my "salad" for lunch rather than dinner as I am an early a.m. runner......Good luck and hope this helps! :D

[NFrawRUNNER]

Diantha please do start a low-fat or 8-1-1 recipe thread in the recipe area. It would be wonderful to have photos and everything. I for one would be responsive.
I did! and called it 80-10-10 recipe ideas I think???
Di

[VSL]

It is pretty simple like you think and I'm an (endurance) athlete too. I feel much "lighter" since switching (cleaner?) and I need less sleep. I think I had too much fat before. I often have my "salad" for lunch rather than dinner as I am an early a.m. runner......Good luck and hope this helps! :D
It does.

Endurance athlete here too - distance runner! (coming back from minor hip niggle/injury...)

Excellent - will start incorporating this from tomorrow (following Dr. Graham's recommendations on his website).

[NFrawRUNNER]

VSL-
I recovered from an injury too! How coincidental is that? In January I broke the neck of my femur clear through on a patch of wet ice chunks and concrete.....THE DAY I WAS LEAVING TO RUN THE DISNEY MARATHON! Needless to say I didn't make it to that race! I did however get a metal plate, rod and 4 screws! I took my first unassisted steps at 4 weeks, ran (OK assisted jogging on my treadmill) after 5 weeks & ran my first 1/2 marathon in MAY!!! At my 6 week checkup the doctor was amazed that he could not even see the break line! ALL HAIL THE POWER OF RAW FOODS :D Now I am back in the saddle so to speak and feeling great :p

I use fitday.com to track my fitness and nutrition. Maybe it will help you to see the ratio proprtions too? Good luck :)

[rawsomegirl]

Hi Codajess,
I am enrolled at raw food boot camp where we do 8:1:1. Alot of us, being obese and trying to lose weight safely and quickly, have to avoid bananas due to them slowing our weight loss down. 1 a day is pretty acceptable for still having weight come off. Bananas dont affect everyone, but when I eat more than 1 a day, I dont see a weight loss for the week. So just play with it and see what happens. Good Luck!!

[daisyduke]

It's funny that you can't eat bananas at all. Sometimes I'll only eat bananas for a week, and those are the weeks that I see the biggest losses. I'm so confused...too much fat, no fat, no sweet fruits...ugh.

[NFrawRUNNER]

It's funny that you can't eat bananas at all. Sometimes I'll only eat bananas for a week, and those are the weeks that I see the biggest losses. I'm so confused...too much fat, no fat, no sweet fruits...ugh.
ME TOO! As soon as I got over the "bananas are too high in calories, sugar, etc..." and just ate them as I saw fit.....my weight dropped and stabalized!!! :D I guess what works is to do the opposite of what we think!!! :D LOL

[VSL]

Diantha - that sounds painful! And it's great that you're able to run again after needing assistance for walking for 4wks - that's pretty awesome. Definitely an injury success story!

I've been on FitDay putting in sample days to see how the ratios are - it seems automatically work out into about 80/10/10 as long as it's 2-3 fruit meals and a salad per day, and not lacking in calories either.

[rawfigure]

I am having a really hard time doing 8-1-1. The last few days on fitday my fat was at 20 grams putting me close to 70-10-20 fat ! At my calorie level I am finding it impossible to stay at 10-15 grams of fat a day and that is with out overt fats in my diet..add any thing like almonds (just 10 too) and I am WAY OVER !! This is very restrictivee isn't it at low calorie levels ??

I can see for those who eat more it would work well cuz 2000 cals a day means 20 grams fat is 10 % but not at 1200-1400 calories a day !! :(

[daisyduke]

Why are you limiting your calories so much? Just eat fresh fruit all day then a salad at night. I never eat overt fats (avos, seeds, nuts, etc.) and I feel great. Keep going, you'll get the hang of it!

[fiddler]

I can see for those who eat more it would work well cuz 2000 cals a day means 20 grams fat is 10 % but not at 1200-1400 calories a day !! :(

Wow, 1200-1400 calories a day does seem way low especially if you're an active person. As long as you're moving in the right direction you'll eventually get there.

I seem to recall that there exists some general guideline/rule of 10 whereby you multiply your weight by 10 and that should be the starting point for the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM calories you should eat daily. Then, you should probably add 500 for normal daily activity and if you exercise then add another 500-2000 calories depending on your activities and what your goals are. I'm sure there's plenty of recommendations out there you could google.

It gets easier each day as we learn and succeed (and slip sometimes too).

Doug Graham says that it takes time. If one can get there on the 80-10-10 in 6 months or even 18 months, Graham says that the person would be exceptional (paraphrasing from his "Perfect Health" CD). Graham goes on to say that it may take a year, 5 years or even 10 years to get it down just right.

Another factoid Graham states is that basically it takes 3500 calories to gain/lose a pound of fat. So in order to lose a pound of fat, you have to consume 3500 calories less than you burn. Not sure how he arrived at that figure, its probably documented somewhere in some nutrition journal.

With that said, hang in there and continue each day on your 80-10-10 journey.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I agree with the Fiddler. Some people start at the 20% level of fat, or 25% if they can't go that low at first. If you took in absolutely no overt fat you could probably do it, if you want to.

[rawfigure]

Why are you limiting your calories so much? Just eat fresh fruit all day then a salad at night. I never eat overt fats (avos, seeds, nuts, etc.) and I feel great. Keep going, you'll get the hang of it!


I am not limiting my calories. I have always eaten at this level. My basil Metaabolism is very low (had it tested twice with the breath machine and it was about 800 a day) I was a light eater as a child, went to sub calories in college (I had ED and would not eat more than 800 cals a day :eek: ) and since then have stayed at this level I am at now. I am 45 so the METabolism does slow abit as we age, and Metabolism is a funny thing, and I have learned in my many years that we can only tweek it alittle. Adding 1 pd of muscle increase it by 40-50 cals a day, that 1/2 a banana ! I have competed in Figure Competitions successfully eating so little..go figure right ??? I had a trainer once who insisted I MUST eat 1800 cals a day to prep for a show, he was absolutely SHOCKED that I gained fat on that calorie level ! Then he had to drop me to 900 a day to get it back off in time for the show.

With that said I some times have to wonder about the Standard rules of what one needs to survive. I am the energizer bunny at 1200-1400 a day. I did a one hour run today, ate about 1400 cals been up from 6 am to now it is 12 Midnight, worked all day, traveled 4 hours & no nap.
Another interesting thing is I have 2 other sister who are just like me !! Actually I think they both eat less !

So how does that work right if we go by the formula we see everywhere....I need 1290 to survive and 500-700 more ? I would gain weight eating that !

[rawfigure]

Thanks for the Support everyone, I will keep trying. I guess it is like when you first go raw you have a Transition. 8-1-1 has a transition too ! :D

[greeninlosangeles]

So I went to Dr.Graham's lecture on Monday, but I am still not fully convinced, because just like in the pictures, he still looks like a person his age - in fifties. I would think that a person who eats that way for almost 30 years would look better, if the diet is so good. But he is also an athlete, and as we know too much exersize is just as bad as none at all.
Although I do feel much better when I eat that way.

[rawfigure]

So I went to Dr.Graham's lecture on Monday, but I am still not fully convinced, because just like in the pictures, he still looks like a person his age - in fifties. I would think that a person who eats that way for almost 30 years would look better, if the diet is so good. But he is also an athlete, and as we know too much exersize is just as bad as none at all.
Although I do feel much better when I eat that way.


Compare Dr Graham to the other not RAW 50 year olds you know ! That will tell the story !

[fiddler]

So I went to Dr.Graham's lecture on Monday, but I am still not fully convinced, because just like in the pictures, he still looks like a person his age - in fifties. I would think that a person who eats that way for almost 30 years would look better, if the diet is so good. But he is also an athlete, and as we know too much exersize is just as bad as none at all.
When I saw the video "Making Friends w/ your Food", I thought he looked incredibly healthy -- one of the healthiest persons I had ever seen. However, my wife thought he looked old and gaunt and she commented that he had sunken cheeks. My wife is NOT raw; I am. I wonder if that has something to do with our perspectives. Its amazing how two people can see something completely different :)

Graham's philosophy rings true with me on so many levels.

rawfigure, thanks for sharing your last post. That's amazing how efficient your body utilizes its fuel. Each person is different as you've illustrated. I too am still transitioning into 811rv. Each day seems easier and easier.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I thought he looked good in his video and in person too. I think the fact that his clothes are hangy might cause a different reaction in people.

He wears what he wants and is comfortable in but it's a bit schlumpy to me. I think if he wore something a little more snug (not necessarily tight) he would look more defined and bulkier.

[greeninlosangeles]

Well, I am all raw for almost nine months. And I do not pay attention to clothes. His hairline is thinning, wherever Ann Wigmore had wonderful hair and not even a gray hair at 85! No, for regular person he would look good, but for someone who started eating all raw and 80/10/10 too, not good enough. But there might be other reasons why or my outlook might be wrong, because I compare everything with my understanding. My friend who is raw has the same reservations and she attended that lecture too.
It might be that wheatgrass juice does the trick - not the sugar amount or fat amount.

[rawfigure]

His hairline is thinning, wherever Ann Wigmore had wonderful hair and not even a gray hair at 85!

It may be your expectations. Maybe if we saw his family/parents we would have more insight. Maybe others in his family went bald at a younger age ! And he is male, so to compare him with a female may be unfair ! I think we age better on RAW BUT it does not stop the natural aging of the body.

My Dad is very unhealthy, in his mid 70's overweight and you should see his head of hair, and not too gray either, so some is genetic ! His hair is so thick (as is mine and everyone in the family) he gets it cut and thinned every few weeks. My dh is jealous, but he says lots of hair at that age is a sign of low testosterone levels, loss of hair, higher levels... :D

[jiujitsugirl]

Well, I am all raw for almost nine months. And I do not pay attention to clothes. His hairline is thinning, wherever Ann Wigmore had wonderful hair and not even a gray hair at 85! No, for regular person he would look good, but for someone who started eating all raw and 80/10/10 too, not good enough. But there might be other reasons why or my outlook might be wrong, because I compare everything with my understanding. My friend who is raw has the same reservations and she attended that lecture too.
It might be that wheatgrass juice does the trick - not the sugar amount or fat amount.


hey yea i was at the lecture too, he looked good too me, i mean genetics still play a role in hair,skin etc, he seemed lively and what made me happy was his muscle definition, he was thin but muscular, i talked the girl who opened for him and she said he could get bigger if he wanted but was an endurance athlete and didnt desire that...im now doing 8/1/1 ive been avoiding overts for now and when my weight stabilizes a bit ill add some in a 10-15% ratio in the evening

[Curleedst]

Your fridge looks luscious!



Today was my first day where I did a semi-decent job of following 8-1-1..I think. I should've gotten more calories, but I was having a day where nothing really sounded good, so I didn't want to force myself.
I had:
Most of a whole pineapple
a couple handfuls of blueberries
a nectarine
about a cup of red grapes
Salad with about 4 cups of lettuce from my mom's garden (mmm) about a cup of grape tomatoes, about 2 cups of chopped cucumber, 1/4 cup of vidalia onion (which are so friggin spicy this year!,) and an avocado. I used the dressing i've been using...I need to try some other ones. I mix apple cider vinegar, agave nectar, lots of dill, mustard powder, and sometimes a little pepper.

Did I do anything "wrong"? I don't know if I should be avoiding seasonings/spices in the dressing.


When I go shopping, I have to come home and clean all the veggies/fruits. When I'm hungry, I don't want to have to prepare stuff, so I make sure it's all ready to be eaten. I went shopping today with the 8/1/1 mindset!

[Sharon in Colorado]

Well, I am all raw for almost nine months. And I do not pay attention to clothes. His hairline is thinning, wherever Ann Wigmore had wonderful hair and not even a gray hair at 85! No, for regular person he would look good, but for someone who started eating all raw and 80/10/10 too, not good enough. But there might be other reasons why or my outlook might be wrong, because I compare everything with my understanding. My friend who is raw has the same reservations and she attended that lecture too.
It might be that wheatgrass juice does the trick - not the sugar amount or fat amount.

If you ever read his bio he says he grew up with a pack of kleenex's in his pockets at times. He was always sick and had allergies. So that part of his background tells me he would be in a pretty bad position now if he weren't raw.

[Minnie]

I don't know much about 811, but as for weight loss, how often do you eliminate? How much water do you drink? When I don't drink enough water and don't eliminate enough my weight loss stops. You should eliminate once for each major meal. You should drink at least half your body weight in ounces. So that's at least 9 cups of water for your size. Also make sure to drink in between meals. How much water do you drink? There are many kinds of natural herbs and fiber pills or powders you can add to your diet to increase your movements if you are not already eliminating once for each major meal. Are you going enough? Also make sure you don't eat late if you do now, do you? Hope this helps! :p

Minnie :D

[sweetgoddess]

Hm, have you guys ever seen Alissa's husband? He's 54 and looks amazing! He doesnÂ’t do 80-10-10. Just eats raw.

I donÂ’t think he likes having his picture taken because I just went into Alissa's computer to find one. There's a few but... Ill have to take one of him and post it.

The ones on Alissa's site are from when he was detoxing and looking a bit thin.
HE looks like the picture of raw health!

[daisyduke]

Sweetgoddess,
Do you know how Alissa herself eats? Does she eat lower fat, higher fruit, etc? Or does she just eat whatever she wants as long as its raw? Do you know if she worries about food combining? I think she is a picture of health and beauty as well. Thanks!

[NFrawRUNNER]

Hm, have you guys ever seen Alissa's husband? He's 54 and looks amazing! He doesnÂ’t do 80-10-10. Just eats raw.

I donÂ’t think he likes having his picture taken because I just went into Alissa's computer to find one. There's a few but... Ill have to take one of him and post it.

The ones on Alissa's site are from when he was detoxing and looking a bit thin.
HE looks like the picture of raw health!

Well said sweet goddess :)
I hope we're not all losing sight of the bigger picture here. :confused: Regardless of ratios and what not, I think our main goal is to eat raw. Period. I truly believe that the "ratio" is dependent on your body type and activity level. I, like many of you, am an endurance athlete. I also am a mom to 5 children and have a career (teaching) so MY PERSONAL needs make 8-1-1 ideal...FOR ME. I feel more vibrant, energetic, cleaner, and etc.... But it may not be for everyone. I, like Dr. Graham, prefer to feel "lighter" as a runner, etc... so fats just dont sit well with me. I think he looks great. I think Jack LaLane looks incredible and he's 92+ right? He does not eat 100% raw but whole foods and lots of juice I believe.

So I think the moral of the story here is to do what is best for you. Keep your diet as clean/raw as possible and be happy! And keep it simple! ;)

[rawfigure]

Well said sweet goddess :)
I hope we're not all losing sight of the bigger picture here. :confused: Regardless of ratios and what not, I think our main goal is to eat raw. Period. I truly believe that the "ratio" is dependent on your body type and activity level. I, like many of you, am an endurance athlete. I also am a mom to 5 children and have a career (teaching) so MY PERSONAL needs make 8-1-1 ideal...FOR ME. I feel more vibrant, energetic, cleaner, and etc.... But it may not be for everyone. I, like Dr. Graham, prefer to feel "lighter" as a runner, etc... so fats just dont sit well with me. I think he looks great. I think Jack LaLane looks incredible and he's 92+ right? He does not eat 100% raw but whole foods and lots of juice I believe.

So I think the moral of the story here is to do what is best for you. Keep your diet as clean/raw as possible and be happy! And keep it simple! ;)

Well said DI ! I feel the same though I am finding I naturally am doing more like 75-15-15 ! ALL RAW is the important Key !

[Sharon in Colorado]

I don't know much about 811, but as for weight loss, how often do you eliminate? How much water do you drink? When I don't drink enough water and don't eliminate enough my weight loss stops. You should eliminate once for each major meal. You should drink at least half your body weight in ounces. So that's at least 9 cups of water for your size. Also make sure to drink in between meals. How much water do you drink? There are many kinds of natural herbs and fiber pills or powders you can add to your diet to increase your movements if you are not already eliminating once for each major meal. Are you going enough? Also make sure you don't eat late if you do now, do you? Hope this helps! :p

Minnie :D

On 8-1-1 there aren't any specifics about water consumption. Dr. Graham says he only drinks water when he loses it, for instance when he sweats it out after running/working out. Otherwise I don't think he takes in supplemental water since his diet is very water-rich.

Also he does not use any herbs or supplementation.

With this diet I am sure there are no problems with elimination. It is super high in fiber and low in fat.

So, if you are specifically following this type of diet, the subject of this thread, that is what the protocol is, in answer to your question. There are tons of other threads on this site that address water consumption, herbs, supplements and intuitive eating.