80/10/10 advice

[twinyoga]

Ok, I decided to kick things up a notch. I'm basically only eating fruit these days and lots of seeds. I've hit a plateau, even with my running. So, with some research I started Dr. Graham's 811 approach. Today was my first day. I loved it. I looked at it as fruit for breakfast, fruit for lunch, and a salad for dinner. The only fat I had was about 2 slices of avocado and 1 Tablespoon of pumpkin seeds on my salad tonight. Using fitday, I was exactly 8/1/1. I had 3 oranges for breakfast, 4 small bananas for lunch, then the salad, and an apple for a bed time snack.

I would like to hear how those of you who follow 811 eat through the day. I might get bored with the same routine. Maybe some of you can share your average day?

Thanks!

[bittersweet]

I'm just starting. Keep me informed on your results!

[Gosia]

Hi,

I do not consciously follow 811 (and never calculate %s) but what I eat is very similar to the example of menu that you gave. I tend to (well, this has been the pattern in the recent year) eat one type of fruit in the morning, another (or two) in the afternoon, and a salad or young coconuts smoothie in the evening. I don't feel bored. :) I recorded my menus of the recent couple of weeks in my journal ( link below), if you are interested.

Gosia

[chilove]

Yesterday I ate about a pound of cherries for breakfast, two small honeydew melons for lunch, a couple of handfulls of dates as a snack, 3 bananas as a snack, and a large salad with a head of romaine lettuce, tomatoes and cucumber topped with a dressing made of blended OJ, dates and tomatoes.

Today I had two honeydew melons for breakfast, a couple of lbs of grapes for lunch, and the same salad I listed above for dinner.

I love eating this way! It is so simple and I feel the best I ever have!!

Take care,

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[Vandy]

I have been eating pretty much 8/1/1 since I started, but it's been a few months since I took out salt and garlic (really trying to perfect it) and reduced my fat intake ....

I didn't think my health could escalade much more but it did... I'm happy :)

[sionkali]

I'm curious about the 8/1/1 approach...would anyone mind offering a cliff-notes version? Or point me in a direction where I could find some more info about it (ie online)?

Thanks so much!!

Jen :)

[Sharon in Colorado]

Have you tried Dr. Graham's raw & sports forum on www.vegsource.com?

There are quite a few informative folks and there's a FAQ's at the top of the page as well.

I usually use my mozilla browser on there because of the pop-ups.

[sosiesmom]

Can someone explain 80/10/10 or direct me to a website that explains what it is?

[fiddler]

Sounds like you got it down!!! Check out the www.vegsource.com (http://www.vegsource.com) for posts related to 811rv.

As for me, I'm now more conscious of my fat intake. Its amazing how quickly fat can add up throughout the day if you're eating nuts/avocados/olive oil.

I now try to avoid olive oil, salt, garlic, onions because of Graham's logic.
Graham has his 80-10-10 book coming out in August that I've heard has a full month of daily menus with the calculated percentages -- so look for that soon.

My meals are comprised of fruit meals in the mornings and afternoons and salad/vegetables meals in the evenings. Most meals are mono. Some are smoothies or salads. The salad dressings are so simple. For example, blend 3 tomatoes, 1 red pepper, 1 stalk of celery and 1/2 avocado (or 1/4 cup walnuts).

I particularly enjoy making banana smoothies. Blend 6 to 8 very ripe bananas with plenty of water. Drinking these banana smoothies instantly knocks out my hunger and any temptations for eating cooked food or heavier raw food (i.e. nuts). Just be sure to get enough calories and a wide variety of foods (greens, fruits, etc...). From your food intake, that doesn't sound like a whole lot of calories. Graham lays it all out on his website -- www.foodnsport.com (http://www.foodnsport.com)

Enjoy,
Fiddler

[twinyoga]

Thanks so much! I just finished my second day of eating 811 and feel very good. I'm mono eating fruit till dinner then having a salad.

I bought a ton of bananas. Can't wait for a smoothie tomorrow.

Thanks, again.

Sosiesmom, 811 is actually eating 80% carbs (fruit), 10% protein, 10% fat by the end of a day. Dr. Graham is a raw foodist who practices this. He has a website. I decided to try it because I was just consuming so many nuts and I'm trying so hard to fine tune this body of mine. :)

Anyway, it's worth a try and it's soooo easy. I'll be happy to e-mail you and talk about it. Or e-mail me.

Sharon, glad to hear from you. I knew you followed this 811 and was hoping you'd respond.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Hi Debbie - I do try to follow it when I can, it gets to be a challenge with recipes though. It is easier just to keep it simple with fruit, etc.

[Up LEAP 100 Billion]

Is it possible to get at least 2500 calories a day with 8/1/1? I would love to try 8/1/1 because I'm sure it's more cleansing and I'd feel better then eating all the nuts I'm eating (I'm currently doing 50% carbs, 35% fat and 15% protein). But I'm eating all those nuts to make sure I hit well past the 2000 calorie mark. Is it easy enough to achieve 2500 calories on an 8/1/1? I do not want to lose weight, and can't see how I can hit 2500 calories on mostly fruit and veg on the 811..

[alex]

I found this forum a few days ago, have read many of the threads and have picked up quite a bit of useful information for which I thank you all!!

I was going to lurk for a while but when I read this tread I thought I would voice some grave concerns.

A little background: for the past four years I have spent thousands and thousands and thousands of hours, studying, reading and researching human health. The most shocking thing I have found is that for most people, what they know or think they know about human health and how to stay healthy (most of the current health dogma) is just not true. I agree that eating raw is the way to go!!!

I have grave concerns about this 80/10/10.

Our bodies need fat!! Our bodies are at least 20% fat and our brains have a much higher percentage (it's either 50% or 80% - can't remember which right now).

I would ask you to consider the following three information sources:

1) Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus - arguably the foremost authority on fats and fat metabolism on the planet. I would highly recommend that you read the articles that he has written that are posted on his website:

http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/udo/udo_index.htm

2) The pH Miracle by Robert O. Young - Invaluable information. He uses a lot of supplements, which when eating raw (correctly), I don't think you need. His information on 'the new biology' and acid/alkaline balance is, however, essential!!

3) Lights Out by T.S. Wiley - He refers to carbohydrates as 'the instruments of death'.

Carbs have the same effect on our bodies as alcohol, which is why we feel so good eating them. But they are not required in the diet as our bodies are able to manufacture all we need.

I also have great concerns about mono eating - look what mono agriculture has done to the quality of the soil and consequently to the quality of the produce that is grown in that soil. At last count our bodies require some 85 - 90 substances (minerals, vitamins, amino acids, essential fatty acids etc). I think it highly unlikely that all of these can be obtained by eating mono.

The above is my opinion - I could be wrong, but I ask you to just consider the info provided. No one person (including me) has all the answers.

I wish you all the very best in your journey towards optimum health!


alex

[Sharon in Colorado]

Alex the 8-1-1 is not a fat-free diet. It is a low fat diet and it has worked for many people as well as tons of athletes.

I think the best thing you can do is check out the above referenced message board where you can have your concerns answered. The OP in this thread is seeking advice for working the diet.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Is it possible to get at least 2500 calories a day with 8/1/1? I would love to try 8/1/1 because I'm sure it's more cleansing and I'd feel better then eating all the nuts I'm eating (I'm currently doing 50% carbs, 35% fat and 15% protein). But I'm eating all those nuts to make sure I hit well past the 2000 calorie mark. Is it easy enough to achieve 2500 calories on an 8/1/1? I do not want to lose weight, and can't see how I can hit 2500 calories on mostly fruit and veg on the 811..

You can check out the food logs here, as some great examples how one got several thousands of calories a day on the plan http://www.ringlet.org/

[veganman]

Is it possible to get at least 2500 calories a day with 8/1/1? I would love to try 8/1/1 because I'm sure it's more cleansing and I'd feel better then eating all the nuts I'm eating (I'm currently doing 50% carbs, 35% fat and 15% protein). But I'm eating all those nuts to make sure I hit well past the 2000 calorie mark. Is it easy enough to achieve 2500 calories on an 8/1/1? I do not want to lose weight, and can't see how I can hit 2500 calories on mostly fruit and veg on the 811..

I had the same concerns, but threw some fruit into Fitwatch.com (http://www.fitwatch.com) and found that it is possible, especially when using bananas.

[exurb]

I don't do 8/1/1/.

There have been threads on rawfood.com's forum (a very long thread) and there were many reports of serious long term consequences, and it also referenced things censored from vegsource.

Be careful, make sure you get what your body needs

one topic alone on this went 12 pages, it doesn't seem to allow you to link directly, but here's the link for the forum, and if you go to Raw Food Diet General Discussion and do a search in topic only for "Graham" it will bring you the thread. the topic is censored material on doug graham's vegsource, etc.

http://eat.rawfood.com/lp.php?url=http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi

That forum in general is a good place to seek information on various aspects of raw foods, it is uncensored and without pressure to conform in any way.

[Sharon in Colorado]

it is a good place to seek information on various aspects of raw foods, it is uncensored and without pressure to present only positive aspects.

Actually they do quite a bit of censoring on there, when it suits their needs, like most any message board.

[exurb]

sharon, I'd be curious as to what, maybe stuff like posts that say some of their raw stuff isn't raw? ;)

Anyway, let's not let this degenerate, I'm just saying really check out whether 8/1/1 is going to give your body everything it needs. I hate the idea of undertaking something in the interest of health that could potentially undermine your health.

It's sure a hot thread anyway, so worth a look.

twinyoga, I hope you read the thread, as you were talking about doing some research.

[livenraw]

I don't see how anyone could do the 811 for very long. It just seems so limited and so difficult. I might eat fruit all day long but I never pay attention to whether I'm following 811. I eat fruit all day long and eat a big, huge salad in the evenings but I also throw in avocados and nuts into the mix. And I don't mean just one serving of each. I throw in a lot. It's just easier for me to do it this way. I do find one thing - the longer I'm raw, the less fat I can eat without being too full. But I still can't see how anyone can do 811. I like Alissa's theory best...just eat raw. Simple and direct.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Sure, exurb, you can find my e-mail address under my profile. You are right, better not to veer off the topic too much here.

Back to the topic, I've heard just as many testimonies/stories of folks doing a wild card, higher fat type of raw diet and it not working for them, then trying the 8/1/1 way, and it producing extraordinary results. Janie is one of them, the link I provided in my post above. She goes into very descriptive detail of her previous raw diet, what she ate and how she felt before embarking on the 8/1/1 plan.

So I think if one is not speaking directly from personal experience, it isn't really helpful enough. I have heard stories and testomonies on both sides of the fence for it to be confusing.

I also know that Alissa has done many different types of raw diets which work for her at the time and situation.

I think summer is a great time to start 8/1/1 because of the availability of great fruit.

Since I've never been on the diet long enough at one time myself ( I tend to go back and forth), I can't say how it works for me personally. I'm on more of a lower-fat diet, but one day I will hopefully be able to get my fat levels lower, and get my cholesterol down with it as it doesn't respond well to high fat plant food.

Although much of the the information Graham provides I do find useful and logical and enjoy Graham's lectures on many topics. I will be looking forward to his new book coming out.