Brian Clement says fruit is bad - what do you think?

[English Tracy]

I attended a seminar today given by Brian which was informative and entertaining.

However, he said that fruit is sugar and therefore is bad for you, and so are carrots.

Yikes, I have a fruit and greens smoothie a couple of times a day, usually a banana, an apple, lemon, ginger and spinach all whizzed up.

So what bad things are these fruits doing to me? They surely can't be as bad as a SAD or traditional UK diet, with all the meat and dairy involved??

Love to hear your thoughts!

Tracy

[SNMB]

That makes no sense, if you think about it biologically. If you're gathering your food, you're going to get most of your calories from fruit. Sure, fruit is bred sweeter now than it was left alone, but it's still very good for you.

What exactly does he suggest you eat?

[English Tracy]

Well, the seminar was mostly about the benefits of sprouts and the fruit issue was incidental. I suppose you can eat other raw and living food just not the fruit. I can't remember if the fruit was wrong because it caused illnesses or was just bad for sugar addicts (I may have gone to the bathroom when he qualified his comments about the fruit).

I certainly don't overload on fruit but I'd miss not having it.

Tracy

[eachpeachpearplum]

Hi Tracy!

firstly, Oh Paleeeeeeeeese!

I do believe that the SAD & UK diet contain WAY too much sugar and even those supposed health foods which preport to contain only "fruit sugars".

But my approach to raw & living foods is to ask "at the most basic level, what were we MEANT to eat?" I tike to look at the diet of primates and see what they eat. . . MAINLY fruit plus leaves, some bark and a bit of bugs.

What I would say is that TODAYS fruit has been so messed with that much of it is bred to be sweeter - especially those now without seeds that used to have um like grapes & watermelon.

Carrots again have been bred to have a much higher suger content. I read somewhere that they actually used to be purple!!!!

So perhaps that is what he meant by steering you away from fruit?

I have suffered from glucose issues all my like and have found that eating lots of fruit in COMBINATION with lots of greens sets my body humming - in a good way.

Cheers, EPPP

[English Tracy]

EPPP,

Hello!

I really enjoy my mixed fruit and green smoothies - as you say, they make you 'hum' in a good way and they are filling. I also like fruit chopped up with cashew or macadamia cream on it occasionally.

Any food item would not be good if you overloaded on it. Bearing in mind al the rubbish I used to eat when I was over 50 lbs heavier, I don't think a daily banana or apple is going to hurt me.

Tracy

[startootsie]

Maybe what he ment is that a lot of fruit and also carrots are high glysemic? I know Gabriel Cousins talks a lot about this.

[Lunar*Fey]

Now I am a bit, nervous maybe? I mean, I eat MOSTLY fruit...with greens and a bit of nuts/seeds/fats...
thats bad????

[Dimond]

We can just end this thread now as fruit isn't bad for you. No need to waste your time speculating about it. :D

[loveyouforever]

I agree with Startootsie. He probably talked about Glycemic Index. There is validity to that argument, however, a better evaluating system is the Glycemic Load, which corrects for many of the misleading effects of glycemic index.

read about glycemic index here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index

and glycemic load here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load

love, k

[sport]

I think that most of us are not at the stage yet where we need to worry about it.
Our aim should be to just stay raw.
Maybe in a few years when all the remaining ties to cooked food have been removed from our system we can think of narrowing and refining our diet.
Fruit was designed by nature to be eaten by all animals (including us) in order to spread the seed as far away from the parent plant as possible. I find it difficult to believe that nature got it wrong.

[Im2Fruity]

Yes, fruit has sugar, but it also has vitamins, minerals, water, fiber, antioxidants, etc..etc.!! Since our bodies prefer to use sugar as energy anyway, why not give it the purest (non-processed) form?? Who can argue with that?
:p

[dreamrawalwz]

Just don't worry about it. If we listened to ALL the raw gurus, or studies out there, there would be NOTHING for us to eat. No fat, high fat, low protein, high protein, no veggies like broccoli, cauliflower, no greens, no fruit, all fruit...see where I'm getting at? Do waht feels good for YOU. Fruit is the most beneficial food, sugar or not. It's a completely different sugar than cane sugar and is processed differently in the body. You have to include fruits like peppers, tomatoes, avocado, and cucumbers. I read somewhere that broccoli was a fruit, but I question that.

[Rawkinlocs]

Those of you who are eating fruit...a LOT of fruit and it doesn't make YOU feel badly, please don't be fearful of this information.

I've said this many times before and will continue to say it...

For ANYTHING you can find speaking against a thing, you will find something else in support of it!

Listen to your OWN body and just eat raw according to what YOUR body desires and/or can handle. If you listen to every single person out there who has a theory or opinion or data on how/what you should be incorporating into your raw diet, you will end up confused, frustrated and all messed up! Some say fruit is THE best, some say it's not...we've heard this argument before and will continue to hear it but again, while one "expert" or doctor may speak against fruit, there are plenty other "experts" or doctors who speak highly of it.

Do what's right for you and if eating fruit is what feels and works best for you, do it! If eating mainly veggies, greens and sprouts is what feels and works best for you, do it! Don't get all hung up and caught up into all these various philosophies or again, it will all just keep you confused and eventually to a point of giving up.

My personal view on fruit is that it IS a perfect food and those who have problems with it (eating, digesting, etc) it's either from the body being toxic or other underlying cause OR it's for a season where perhaps the body is needing something from another source other than the fruit and you go through seasons of craving greens or veggies and once things are more balanced out, fruit will come back into play at some point. But there is nothing wrong with or bad about fruit! People have gotten rid of diabetes, candida and a whole host of other ailments while still eating...FRUIT! That's my opinion on it, for what it's worth.

[Rawkinlocs]

Looks like Dreamrawalwz and I were typing at the same time with the same sentiments! :)

[dreamrawalwz]

Now I am a bit, nervous maybe? I mean, I eat MOSTLY fruit...with greens and a bit of nuts/seeds/fats...
thats bad????

Don't be worried! Try not to question every little thing you read and "hear." You don't need to stress over it, especially in your situation at the moment. Just do what feels good and what is available to you.

[Sunshine9]

I wouldn't be worried just because you read something on the internet ;)

I think it is important to be an educated raw foodism and to have information pertaining to BOTH sides of the spectrum. If you are concerned about fruit read some of the work of Cousens, Jubb, or Wolfe. There is a lot of research.

And while I am also familiar with the work of Graham or Patenaude who advocate a high fruit diet, I haven't personally gotten as much out of it... while I might respect what they are putting on the internet, that isn't enough for me. I like research. The "common sense" mentality doesn't go far enough for me, and their logic also makes too many assumptions about body type and metabolism.

read read read !

[Brianna]

How was Brian's talk? My mom is his assistent and I also work at Hippocrates Health Institute. Basically, he believes (and I have seen that this is true at Hippocrates) that when a person is unhealthy, it is not good to eat any kind of sugar because every kind of sugar causes every kind of disease. He did testing at the Institute with cancer patients and found that those eating fruit were not healing. 100% of the time, those who ate no fruit healed better and faster than those eating fruit. This also applied to every other kind of illness. Previously, the Hippocrates diet had included fruit for breakfast every morning. Now, they serve fruit twice a week (three times actually including the Saturday evening banana ice cream), but only those who are healthy are advised to partake. The problem with modern fruit is that it is so hybridized that it is about thirty times sweeter than natural, wild fruit. Our bodies were not originanlly meant to handle this volume of sugar. I imagine it would be a different story if all of our fruits were wild and not hybridized. There's definitely a difference between eating wild blackberries and medjool dates!!! If you are in a healthy state though, it would be fine for you to eat 15% by weight of your diet in fruit. Children and youth can handle more sugar, and can eat up to 40% fruit. That is Brian Clement's stance on the issue.

[tinystrawberry]

I disagree, fruit is very good for you in all sorts of ways.

[Jackie1995]

Brianna, hi!

I totally understand where Dr. Clement is coming from re: fruit if you are sick and trying to recover.

But how about when you're all healed/cured/not sick anymore? Eating just raw, without sweet fruits (I am not including cucumbers, tomatoes, etc. here), just how is one supposed to get enough to eat?

I don't overindulge in fruit, and I'm healthy, but let's just say for instance Dr. Clement also adheres to the idea of not eating fruit even if healthy. What would my daily menu consist of?

Any ideas, please post!

Oh, I'm striving for 18-1900 calories per day.

Thanks in advance!

[GreenPrince]

Thanks for this clarification, Brianna.
Most of Brian's recommodations are based on clinical research.
Brian Clement, Gabriel Cousens and one more raw guru, I don't rembember, have recently made a consensus based mission statement, sort of "letter of intent", to limitate fruit and in some clinical cases eliminate fruit from our diet.

In my opinion it's fruitful(!) to make a distinction between a cleansing fruit diet used for get rid of a heavy bodyweight, where you burn your own bodyfat for months, and a non-fasting diet where you get all calories from your food.

[spicyfull]

Thank GOD for making it clear......He was talking to the SICK........He was talking to cancer patients...
We must stand for what we believe.........IF YOU DON'T STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING..................

[Lunar*Fey]

But i just don't understand, I mean without fruit what would I eat. Fruit is my favorite food! I agree how awful it is that we ruin such beautiful natural fruit by hybridizing to make sweeter, etc....its just I have to buy food from those stores like BJs, Aldis, Price Rite...which have like....second hand fruit that is probably loaded with chemicals and crap. Without fruit, there would be no way for me to get almost 3000 calories a day, would there? How would I get enough calories to gain weight. What DOES he recommend eating? I can't stomach many sprouts...I know I am not going to change my diet just because one person says it is bad...but I see where he is coming from and I am curious.

[GreenPrince]

[QUOTE=Jackie1995]Eating just raw, without sweet fruits (I am not including cucumbers, tomatoes, etc. here), just how is one supposed to get enough to eat?
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What would my daily menu consist of?
Any ideas, please post!
Oh, I'm striving for 18-1900 calories per day.
QUOTE]

Food with a high content of starch.
Root vegetable (potatoes, turnips etc)
Cereals (wheat, rye, barley, buckwheat, corn etc.)
I am an active man, and I have no problem to keep my weight and get all my calories from raw vegan food with a limited daily fruitintake.

That doesn't mean that I don't love fruit. :)

[monkeyboy]

Yo Yo,


Brian Clement is a big fat idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Peace,

M.B.

[monkeyboy]

Yo,

Brian Clement is a big fat idiot.

Peace,

M.B.

[Sharon in Colorado]

What I understand is there are three calo-nutrients:

carbs (from sugars)

fat

and protein.

We get our energy immediately through carbs. Most cooked people eat refined sugar, cooked starches and bread products to get their carbs, while we eat fruit to get our carbs. These are simple carbs and give us almost instant energy after consuming them.

If we couldn't eat carbs from fruit, we'd be left eating either a whole lot of fat or protein to make up for our calorie requirements. This is what most of us end up doing when we don't get enough fruit, we start eating heavy and fatty foods.

Our bodies have the ability to turn fat into carbs, but we also know that eating too much fat all the time can run us down and cause health problems, so that leaves protein.

We get protein from every food source but if we aren't eating fruit, then we would have to go to fat rich sources, besides greens, to get the protein. We'd again be over eating on fat.

One thing I notice is that propenents of low or zero fruit eat a whole lot of fat. That isn't always healthy for everyone. Some people have medical problems and obesity. I deal with my cholesterol that won't go down if I eat too much plant fat even though there's no cholesterol in plant fat.

However some people do well on high fat diets. You have to see what works for you.

To me, it doesn't make logical sense to dismiss fruit as it is pleasing to the eye, and our senses seem naturally drawn to eat it. I see fruit as a friend, not an enemy.

[exurb]

what a load!

Rawkinlocs I love that larger than life text... when I read it I hear this big booming deep godlike voice with lots of echo on it, kind of like the way the Wizard of Oz made himself sound in that movie. :p

[levamssg]

Well said Rockinlocs ....

Read, listen, .... then use what works for you at the time & discard the rest. Listen to your body -- and go from there -- be flexible -- and enjoy being raw!!

[Sharon in Colorado]

On another note, Jay the Juiceman (Jay Kordich the Oompa Loompa man) healed himself of cancer by drinking large quantities of carrot-apple juice. Now if that isn't full of sugar I don't know what is.

My hubby makes carrot-apple juice every morning, it is so sweet, I ask him to add extra apples just to tone it down!

Also I believe it is Dr. Lorraine Day who healed herself from cancer juicing as well.

And if you check out the glycemic charts, you'll note that whole fruit is relatively low in sugar while cooked grains are high.

Plus the fact that fat holds on to toxins, so if one were to avoid any sugar and fat, what in the world would they eat? One cannot live on sprouts alone.

[mel123]

I agree with Rawinlocks 100%...Some people may have a problem...so may not....as someone who is healing from type 2 diabetes I have a problem with sweet fruit. On a good day i eat plenty of veggies, nut milks, nuts, and non-sweet fruit, and things made out of the previous listed items...flax crackers...cheesecake...salad...green drink with apple and lemon. I am most certainly not starving and my blood sugar levels are improving. i do not believe in the "right" way to eat. Some things work for some people. Listen to your body. It will tell you loud and clear what to do....

[GreenPrince]

Sharon,
Our bodies are biologically adapted to use mainly buffer energy:
1. Cell- and muscle depots
2. Blood sugar
3. Liver depot
4. Body fat
5. Protein depot (muscles)

Instant energy from food gives dangerous upp-and-downs of the blood sugar level. Complex carbos like starch give a slow raising of the blood sugar level, to adequate feed the energy depots.

I prefer to eat three times a day, fruit at breakfast (I love fruit). Only springwater from the wood between the meals. I drive my car up to the well. There is a small forrest road...

[rawpriestess]

Well, each person has their own opinion, and we all are in transition.


I believe that we were meant to eat fruit, with the way our hands work, so perfectly to pick peaches, apples, berries, etc, and our feet so perfect to walk through the bushes, and climb up trees, etc.

I also think that greens are not our biggest thing to eat, because of our teeth and stomache, our intestinal tract, etc.

to me eating raw food is a transition from one thing to another, I used to eat almost all nut heavy things, now I eat almost only fruit, I'm sure this will transition too, or maybe I'll go through a no fruit stage, but I'm not saying that the way I eat today, is the only way to eat raw, I'm just saying it works for me TODAY!!!

and maybe tomorrow I will change and maybe I won't.

I do know that I feel great when I eat fruit, and if I add in a couple of olives, or some dehydrated foods, I can really tell the difference the next day. LOl

so I mostly eat fruits. only.

[dreamrawalwz]

[QUOTE=Jackie1995]Eating just raw, without sweet fruits (I am not including cucumbers, tomatoes, etc. here), just how is one supposed to get enough to eat?
------
What would my daily menu consist of?
Any ideas, please post!
Oh, I'm striving for 18-1900 calories per day.
QUOTE]

Food with a high content of starch.
Root vegetable (potatoes, turnips etc)
Cereals (wheat, rye, barley, buckwheat, corn etc.)
I am an active man, and I have no problem to keep my weight and get all my calories from raw vegan food with a limited daily fruitintake.

That doesn't mean that I don't love fruit. :)

I'm one that MUST be on basically fruit alone. I can't have "cereals" (any grain, nut, or seed), and I don't like starchy raw foods :rolleyes:

[juliebove]

What a silly notion! Of course fruit is full of sugar. Carrots too. But other vegetables and grains have sugar in them. I think the key is to eat a balanced diet. I dislike most fruit and don't eat it. So I try to look for vegetables that will make up for what I'm lacking by not eating the fruit.

[Brianna]

Brianna, hi!

I totally understand where Dr. Clement is coming from re: fruit if you are sick and trying to recover.

But how about when you're all healed/cured/not sick anymore? Eating just raw, without sweet fruits (I am not including cucumbers, tomatoes, etc. here), just how is one supposed to get enough to eat?

I don't overindulge in fruit, and I'm healthy, but let's just say for instance Dr. Clement also adheres to the idea of not eating fruit even if healthy. What would my daily menu consist of?

Any ideas, please post!

Oh, I'm striving for 18-1900 calories per day.

Thanks in advance!

Well, I would say if you're healthy, don't worry about it. Eat fruit if you want nto but just make sure to also include some healthy fats and plenty of sprouts and green leafy veggies. Different people feel better on different diets. I feel great eating several pieces of fruit a day but my mom gets severe blood sugar issues if she eats any fruit. She tends to gravitate toward nuts. I struggled with the issue for a long time because if you're going to eat a low sugar raw diet you have to eat a high fat diet. I think you have to find what works for you and not worry too much about how much sugar you are eating as long as you are healthy and feel balanced.

[Brianna]

On another note, Jay the Juiceman (Jay Kordich the Oompa Loompa man) healed himself of cancer by drinking large quantities of carrot-apple juice. Now if that isn't full of sugar I don't know what is.

My hubby makes carrot-apple juice every morning, it is so sweet, I ask him to add extra apples just to tone it down!

Also I believe it is Dr. Lorraine Day who healed herself from cancer juicing as well.

And if you check out the glycemic charts, you'll note that whole fruit is relatively low in sugar while cooked grains are high.

Plus the fact that fat holds on to toxins, so if one were to avoid any sugar and fat, what in the world would they eat? One cannot live on sprouts alone.
That works for some people, but I personally know people whose cancer got worse when drinking carrot juice and eating an all raw diet. When they embarked on a no sugar raw diet with green drinks instead of carrot juice, they were able to heal.

[Brianna]

But i just don't understand, I mean without fruit what would I eat. Fruit is my favorite food! I agree how awful it is that we ruin such beautiful natural fruit by hybridizing to make sweeter, etc....its just I have to buy food from those stores like BJs, Aldis, Price Rite...which have like....second hand fruit that is probably loaded with chemicals and crap. Without fruit, there would be no way for me to get almost 3000 calories a day, would there? How would I get enough calories to gain weight. What DOES he recommend eating? I can't stomach many sprouts...I know I am not going to change my diet just because one person says it is bad...but I see where he is coming from and I am curious.
Just do the best you can in the circumstances you are in. If I were you I wouldn't worry too much about how much fruit you eat becasue you are so young that your body can handle more sugar. Just make sure you are balancing it out with lots of leafy greens and good fats like nuts, seeds, olives, coconut, avocados, etc.

[English Tracy]

Gosh, what a lot of responses on this!

Brianna - I enjoyed the talk and you are right, Brian was referring to his patients at the Hippocrates Institute not having fruit but it really wasn't clear whether he felt that fruit would be acceptable to people without health problems. Judging by the comments of other people I spoke to, they also were not clear but nobody asked the question during the Q & A session at the end!

Other people have commented in this post that there will always be those for and those against certain ideas and so it is up to the individual to make a choice of what he/she believes. I agree wholeheartedly with that.

I enjoyed the talk - Brian is very personable and chucked in quite a bit of humour. I think he could have a second career as a motivational speaker.

Tracy

[GreenPrince]

I believe that we were meant to eat fruit, with the way our hands work, so perfectly to pick peaches, apples, berries, etc, and our feet so perfect to walk through the bushes, and climb up trees, etc.

I also think that greens are not our biggest thing to eat, because of our teeth and stomache, our intestinal tract, etc.


I completely agree with you, we are fruiteaters. But I have a broader definition of ”fruit”.

The whole foodQ is very simple, but old habits and a limited language confuse our thoughts.
In the reality the are only three main groups of human food: animals, fruits and green leaves. We exclude animals. Left are fruits and green leaves.

My definition of fruit: the excessive production in the botanical world which can give rise to a new plant or tree. This broader definition includes: tree fruits, berries, grains, seeds, almonds, nuts,
root vegetables (carrots, potatoes, sweet potatoes, beets, turnips, parsnips etc), cucumber, tomatoes, melons, capsicum, paprika, pepper.

I am sorry, there is no word in our language for this big wonderful group of food. When we get that X-word everything will be more easy. A global raw vegan food revolution can start with a clear overarching word or conception.

To this broader fruit group I add green cells for the spiritual, magical balancing properties of the chlorophyll chemistry. There is something about the solar energy transformation we haven't yet understood. Well, I think this is too advanced and thus out of topic.

I admire your open, balanced attitude to your transition, rp. You will stay raw. This is your future.

However, I foresee something for you, rp.
”100 days raw 50 pounds lost (so far)”

That is ½ pound a day. If this is only body fat burning, you get 2000 calories/day (eg. kilocalories). When you have burnt out your excessive body fat and you are slim and very beautiful... you have to change your diet a little, either increasing your real fruit intake or fruits in my broader definition.

Well, 50 pounds... I think in the beginning of these 100 days, you got rid of several pounds excessive salt- and electrolyte bounded water. Then you body turned to burn away other trashes, connected to ageing: nonfunctional cells, fatcells, inadequate tissues, mutagenic chromosomes in cells and mithochondria, bad trashes, clotted or agglutinated old proteins in cells and vessels. In short, trashes and garbage of about half the energy content of fat.

So let me guess, you get 900 – 2000 calories/day from slimming your body. Plus the energy content of your daily fruits.

The only important is to stay raw, and you will do it, rp. This is your way, your life!

[seand11]

just look at brian - then decide if you want to mimic him. from what i understand he isn't all raw anyways. and he advocates lots of grains which are higher on the glycemic index and convert to simple sugars in our bodies anyway - boggles me.

[Brianna]

Brian was all raw for 7 years, then decided to go 80 or 90 percent raw. However he believes that people who are unhealthy need to eat 100% raw initially until they gain back their heatlh. Then, he says, they can eat a minimal amount of unprocessed cooked foods if they so desire.

[seand11]

yeah but to me brian isn't the picture of health yet - also nutritionalist might argue that it's impossible for someone to have excess fat and be healthy.

also i doubt he was following his own prescribed diet for so long - it doesn't seem sustainable and it's simply lacking in fuel/calories with so many greens and fat while shunning fruit. it seems inevitable that he had to include additional calories in the form of cooked grains.

[chilove]

Please don't listen to him and the other "fruit is bad for you" raw "experts" out there. Fruit is our natural food. There is no question about it. :-) We are frugivores.

Check out:
http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/the-human-dietetic-character-part-i/are-we-vegetarians-or-fruitarians.html

and Nora Lenz has a great chart of ideal human foods here:
http://www.rawschool.com/bestrawfoods.htm

Please don't be afraid of fruit!!

Audrey
www.rawhealing.com

[cornvalley]

I enjoy listening to admonitions from the fringe 'ex-spurts'. From where they speak it seems to make perfect sense..... and from where I am it resounds with a dull thud (kaplonk!). Learning by living seems to be the ONLY thing we all share.... the 'process' by determining what suits us as individuals. Sometimes the realities of our choices do not become immediately apparent however, due to all kinds of adaptations psychological as well as physical.
One thing I know for sure, I like to keep food in it's place and not make it mean any more than it is.

[Brianna]

yeah but to me brian isn't the picture of health yet - also nutritionalist might argue that it's impossible for someone to have excess fat and be healthy.

also i doubt he was following his own prescribed diet for so long - it doesn't seem sustainable and it's simply lacking in fuel/calories with so many greens and fat while shunning fruit. it seems inevitable that he had to include additional calories in the form of cooked grains.
Brian is not fat. And he never says that he ate no fruit when he ate all raw.

[tinystrawberry]

i really liked reading all of the responses to this thread, we have some very intelligent people in this forum :D

[Draginvry]

Fruit's not bad. It's nature's food. In fact, it's quite healthy to make fruits a majority of your diet, if you can tolerate them.

Also, the sugar=bad craze is outdated. There is more than one type of sugar. Anyone who thinks that the sugar in fruits has any similarity to the white stuff you sprinke on your breakfast cereal...well, those people really haven't done their homework.

[Gosia]

Fruit sugar. Mmm mmm mmm. :)

Gosia

[misslinda]

Hmmmmm. I wasn't even phased by this gentlemen's statement that fruit is bad or whatever his words. But in all respect, I'll research what he has to say--not that it would change my mind ----rather the curiousity as to how one would support the claim. ;)

[Sunshine9]

Beautifully said Miss L! I completely agree with you.

I will say though to support Brian Clement, I think that fact that he is running a successful healing center transforming people with cancer and other diseases shows that there is something to his claim, as is Cousens work with Tree of Life... I don't know whether or not Graham and Patenaude have similar testimonials, while I'm sure they have something, the evidence isn't as immediately apparant.

That said, their focus is on deep healing. Not everyone needs that.

[cornvalley]

Oh, I wasn't aware of who he was or his focus. It does seem that cancers are especially voracious in their appetites for the stimulating effects of ingested sugars. Yes the healthy body does use glucose as it's primary fuel without harmful consequences but in cancer patients that process seems to be best served by the breakdown of glycogen within the body than by simple sugars ingested within fruits. The dried and concentrated sugary fruits are especially to be avoided. Cancerous growths are a world unto themselves and must be addressed on their terms. The sugars in fruits are not utilized like normal cells but seem to stimulate further growth. That has been my understanding of it, though I am interested in studying up a bit of the more recent studies. Very interesting subject.

[misslinda]

Sunshine and Cornvalley, thank you for the tip. I did some premature reswearch and I think there maybe some "misinterpretation" here.

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Modern fruit has 30 times the sugar level of its wild ancestors. This is because fruit is hybridized for sugar content; we are all addicted to sugar. The 2nd problem with fruit is the pancreas. 100 years ago, we consumed 2.5 pounds of sugar per year; now we consume 124 pounds per year. There is no difference between fructose from an orange, and from a sugar beet. California carrot juice is too high in sugar also; 1 quart has 0.5 cups of sugar in it.

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I don't know too much about Brian or the Hippocrates center but I am not a fan of hybrid fruits in large quantities myself.

:)

[Sharon in Colorado]

Modern fruit has 30 times the sugar level of its wild ancestors. This is because fruit is hybridized for sugar content; we are all addicted to sugar. The 2nd problem with fruit is the pancreas. 100 years ago, we consumed 2.5 pounds of sugar per year; now we consume 124 pounds per year. There is no difference between fructose from an orange, and from a sugar beet. California carrot juice is too high in sugar also; 1 quart has 0.5 cups of sugar in it.


I wonder who wrote this Miss Linda - I see a lot of inconsistencies.

Who knows someone with diabetes, candida or other sugar-related diseases who was eating a lot of fruit?

These people were generally on a life-long diet of cooked, processed foods and fatty foods with refined sugar, not fruit.

And those addicted to sugar, the ones I know of, and myself, would have rather had a candy bar than a banana. I don't see fruit as a threat or a problem.

The people eating 124 pounds of sugar a year...are eating fruit? Why do I doubt that. 100 years ago people weren't eating fast food, over-processed desserts, and other processed foods and snacks with tons of sugar.

There is just not enough back-up to those statistics.

[DavidZaneMason]

My experience:

-I've eaten just fruit for many years - and I'm the healthiest man I know. But this was a slow transition of several years. I think each person should analyze where they ARE comfortable - and stretch from there. I think each person should do the research....but eventually make a firm decision about what YOU think is good and pursue it with intelligence and zeal.

-David Mason

[shelah]

this is a very interesting discussion -- thank you for all the thought-provoking info and ideas! i definitely think that brian and gabriel are onto something, at least with regard to serious health challenges -- they have the testimonials to back up their approach. but i also feel that we are individuals, each at his/her own point of his/her particular journey. the better we get at listening to our body-minds, the healthier we can become!
as an aside, is there a listing anywhere of all the hybridized fruits and veggies that are presently available to us? and is there any way to avoid them all and still have something to eat (aside from growing your own, that is!)?
many blessings to all!
shelah

[misslinda]

My apologies Sharon, that was from a site that quoted him from lecture and I didn't mean to insinuate that the data was accurate. I was more in favor of the idea that hybrid fruits are more sugar filled than wild. If I had to choose, I would love to have all wild. I do avoid hybrid as much as I possibly can although that is difficult. Not to say hybrid is bad but in comparison.

I agree Shelah, this is interesting and wil continue to follow it! :)

[Juicyfruit]

I have to make a comment on wild fruit not being as sweet. My parents live where wild black berries and grapes grow. I am not sure of the grape species, but they are little black clusters with big seeds. Anyway, both of these are very sweet when ripe. They are one of my favorite things to eat when I find them.

[cornvalley]

Sure...wild fruit is sweet or else animals like us would not be attracted to it.
I don't know where '30 times' more sweet comes from but that is a lotta extra sweetness. Modern fruit production is not lacking for taste as much as convenience for shipping by picking before ripeness can occur. I believe taste comes from having a compliment of vitimans and minerals so I don't know how terrible it all is. Some commercial produce tastes pretty good to me, some doesn't so I don't eat it.
I don't need to get all worked up about what is the most ideal and how it falls short. There are enough good choices out there already to satisfy our nutritional requirements (and then some!).

[dreamrawalwz]

Fruit's not bad. It's nature's food. In fact, it's quite healthy to make fruits a majority of your diet, if you can tolerate them.

Also, the sugar=bad craze is outdated. There is more than one type of sugar. Anyone who thinks that the sugar in fruits has any similarity to the white stuff you sprinke on your breakfast cereal...well, those people really haven't done their homework.

I want to explain this to people when I hear "i'm going on a diet and I can't have any fruit because of the carbs and sugar" :eek:

[dreamrawalwz]

Sunshine and Cornvalley, thank you for the tip. I did some premature reswearch and I think there maybe some "misinterpretation" here.

exerpt
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Modern fruit has 30 times the sugar level of its wild ancestors. This is because fruit is hybridized for sugar content; we are all addicted to sugar. The 2nd problem with fruit is the pancreas. 100 years ago, we consumed 2.5 pounds of sugar per year; now we consume 124 pounds per year. There is no difference between fructose from an orange, and from a sugar beet. California carrot juice is too high in sugar also; 1 quart has 0.5 cups of sugar in it.

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I don't know too much about Brian or the Hippocrates center but I am not a fan of hybrid fruits in large quantities myself.

:)

Whoever wrote that seems to be confused lol. They seem to think tabel sugar and fruit sugar are the same thing. That they do the same thing in the body and react similar. I'm not sure how to explain it, but what is written just doesn't make sense to me and is very inconsistant. Where is the reference to the numbers? That seems like a lot.

MissLinda - you say you try to avoid hybidized, but how do you know what is and waht isn't?

[Lay-Lay]

I think where he was coming from is if you have candida or parasites and if you have MAJOR health problem it is most likely you have one or the other, it would be a good idea to limit your fruit intake for a time. I have done this at several points when I had an outbreak of parasites and/or candida. I would go a month without eating any sweet fruit with the exception of an apple or two here and day/every other day and this really cleared up the issues.

Otherwise fruit is wonderful and I just listen to my body and enjoy my fruit!

[light food]

I think some wild fruits are sweeter than comercial fruit. I remember eating wild strawberries and they were tiny but sweeter than any other I have eaten. I think that in the quest for the big berries they compromised a little on sweetness. I also think that eating dried fruits is natural because in a natural environment we would be drying fruits in the summer and eating them in the winter.

Isn't sugar suposed to be in our diets because our brain runs on glucose? But I could see avoiding concentrated sugar for healing. I read in Eddie May's book How I Conquered Cancer Naturally that after her cancer got better, she bought lots of dates and ate them over a period of a few days and the concentrated sugars brought the symptoms back and she was in pain for a few days. She went on a few days of cleansing and went back to normal. But she ate a lot of other fruit in her diet like bananas, pineapples and grapes.

[JennaBoBenna]

Brian Clement says fruit is bad for you...

I say Brian Clement is missing out!!!

*bites into a delicious, juicy orange* :D



It's so annoying when people talk about fruit like it's a bad thing! In a health class I took in college, the teacher had no idea what she was talking about the entire time! She was saying how fruit has lots of sugar in it and that if you drink fruit juice that the calories will add up! And people are agreeing with her! I'm sitting there shaking my head going FRUIT WILL NOT MAKE YOU FAT!! And THEN people begin talking about JAMBA JUICE saying that when their friends or whatever worked there that they got fat from drinking all of the fruit juice!! I raised my hand and explained that they got fat from the dairy, sherbert, ice cream etc. that they put in the drinks and everyone looked at me like I was a moron! :rolleyes:
The teacher also bashed vegetarianism because "it's seemed like I was always eating rice and beans! I had no energy!" It's like...just because you didn't DO it RIGHT doesn't mean you can bash it..

/rant :D

[mel123]

i do not eat sweet fruits...i have type 2 diabetes and 50 pounds to lose....i do believe that reduction of fruit is beneficial for those who are ill or have body weight to lose i am not sure about it if you do not have the previous issues....i eat plenty...avocado, all types of salad(the raw gourmet has some great ones), green lemonade, pies and cakes with a just a bit of a sweeter fruits to sweeten(less than half called for in the recipe), agave, or stevia for additional sweetening,onion bread, flax crackers...i posted what i ate yesterday on the "daily food" post....the possibilities are endless...with a little creativity...

[mel123]

also follow your body...it speaks loud and clear....when i eat too many sweet fruits i feel sleepy, foggy, and achy....everyone has a different experience with different results....follow your body...listen to your own inner voice....

[Sunshine9]

As I've been reading this thread, I think it's great how passionate we all are with our ideas about health and raw.

I've also been thinking that while we do have these ideas, without the blood work ect to back up our claims, we don't know. Period. "Feeling Healthy" does not necessarily back up why one or anyone else should or shouldn't eat a certain way. I would be very very interested to compare the blood tests of a low sugar eater next to a high sugar eater and see what it shows. I don't know,we're all so individual. Just have to figure it out for ourselves I suppose...

I figure though that since Gabriel Cousens and Brian Clement obviously do focus so strongly on the blood tests and progress of their clients, there has got to be something to this low sugar thing... I think they're on to something. And not because it's how humans should eat and always should eat. Rather because as Gabriel points out in "Rainbow Green", that we are living in a very different environment than we were in 50 years ago when eating a high fruit diet was perfectly acceptable. Now to deal with the toxins and environmental crisis that is prevelent, we must adapt our diets as well. Now I realize I'm not putting all the information he had in the text, but I think that makes perfect sense. I don't care how our caveman ancestors ate, they were living in a DIFFERENT WORLD than we are in right now. Times have changed, and so I think looking to the past is not all that relevant in figuring out how we should eat today. Perhaps a useful conversation,but not something I would place my whole diet philosophy under.

Maybe I will just need to attend dr. D's health and fitness week, and then go spend a week at tree of life and I will report back to y'all ;)

[cornvalley]

there has got to be something to this low sugar thing... I think they're on to something. And not because it's how humans should eat and always should eat. Rather because as Gabriel points out in "Rainbow Green", that we are living in a very different environment than we were in 50 years ago when eating a high fruit diet was perfectly acceptable. Now to deal with the toxins and environmental crisis that is prevelent, we must adapt our diets as well. Now I realize I'm not putting all the information he had in the text, but I think that makes perfect sense. I don't care how our caveman ancestors ate, they were living in a DIFFERENT WORLD than we are in right now. Times have changed, and so I think looking to the past is not all that relevant in figuring out how we should eat today. ;)



Period fasting (the unwilling kind) prevailed much more in our evolutionary history. Stored glycogen was converted to glucose in times of fruit scarcity. Now with the over accessibility to enormous amounts of sweets at all times of the year many disease processes have evolved from just that.
I believe in periodic fasting (water only) for that reason alone as the results are a great stepping stone to a less stimulating diet generally.

[Sharon in Colorado]

About hybrid fruit, Dr. Graham has stated many times that ALL fruits have been a product of either natural or human hybridizing. I did not check into this but it seems to make sense to me.

I've also heard that fruit from the same tree/vine/plant will be both seedless and seeded. I constantly hear that unless a fruit has tons of seeds it should not be eaten, because it is a hybrid. This cannot be if a fruit is seeded and seedless from the same plant.

Fruitarians vs. Higher Fruit:

I also think that many of these raw gurus will attack 'fruitarians' but then clump them in the same group as the ones who eat a higher amount of fruit, or an 8-1-1 diet.

I don't think fruitarians generally eat a lot of green foods as do the low-fatters or 8-1-1'ers. I've even heard Rhio speak negatively on her radio program about them, even though they are not even fruitarians nor do they call themselves that. Yes, the majority of their caloric intake comes from fruit, but they will eat a ton of greens, celery, other veggies, etc. in a meal. So there is a huge distinction.

So, perhaps this Brian Clement discussion revolves solely around his take on fruitarians, not really people who eat and love fruit as part of their raw food diet.

[misslinda]

OMG, I better find that site............regarding that exerpt! :eek:


Sunshine9, that is where I lean towards regarding sugar/fruit choices too. Cousens and Wolfe disucss the issues surrounding hybrid fruits. I don't dislike or omit them BUT I do limit the intake. I ingested a banana yesterday and my blood sugar went hay wire and I felt out fo control. I may experiment again in a day or two to compare.

:)

[rawfigure]

I want to explain this to people when I hear "i'm going on a diet and I can't have any fruit because of the carbs and sugar" :eek:


I hear this alot amoung the bodybuilding community...how can i eat so much fruit (i.e. = carbs and simple sugars) as they are happily eating Protein Bars with 20 grams of alcohol sugars in form of malitol and mannitol ! (but it says 3 ish grams of net carbs on the wrapper lol ) :confused: I find this so annoying !!! I no longer try to explain as it falls on deaf ears !

[Draginvry]

I want to explain this to people when I hear "i'm going on a diet and I can't have any fruit because of the carbs and sugar" :eek:

Tell me about it. I had a guy recently talking about how bananas are nothing but sugar. He told me to stop eating bananas all the time.

I suppose the fact that I can sprint like an athete, while he can barely jog....completely escaped his notice.

[dreamrawalwz]

Brian Clement says fruit is bad for you...

I say Brian Clement is missing out!!!

*bites into a delicious, juicy orange* :D



It's so annoying when people talk about fruit like it's a bad thing! In a health class I took in college, the teacher had no idea what she was talking about the entire time! She was saying how fruit has lots of sugar in it and that if you drink fruit juice that the calories will add up! And people are agreeing with her! I'm sitting there shaking my head going FRUIT WILL NOT MAKE YOU FAT!! And THEN people begin talking about JAMBA JUICE saying that when their friends or whatever worked there that they got fat from drinking all of the fruit juice!! I raised my hand and explained that they got fat from the dairy, sherbert, ice cream etc. that they put in the drinks and everyone looked at me like I was a moron! :rolleyes:
The teacher also bashed vegetarianism because "it's seemed like I was always eating rice and beans! I had no energy!" It's like...just because you didn't DO it RIGHT doesn't mean you can bash it..

/rant :D

Haha yea. My nutrition teacher taugh us the same thing. They (government?) really needs to do their research and update the text books don't they? I will, however, agree that fruit juices are adding up calories and can make you fat. The juices I'm talking about are probably the same the teacher was..cooked bottled/jarred juices. Raw fresh juice will not this though :)

[lissomllama]

Fruit is wonderful for one's health. The only time I would say to TEMPORARILY stop eating fruit is if one had a cancerous tumor because sugar is supposed to 'feed them' but after the cancer is gone, I'd say, go back to eating fruit. In a normal, healthy body, fruit is wonderful. The body NEEDS sugar and there is nothing wrong with it. Fruits contain more water and lots of valuable nutrients and acids and the variety and tastes of fruit are important to the mind and body as well.

[Gosia]

I came across some fascinating draft chapters on fruit in our evolution (from http://www.kaleidos.org.uk/) , including the one about "The importance of building our bodies from the best nutritive materials" (http://www.kaleidos.org.uk/PDF/Chapter%202%20Const.pdf). My personal experience has led me to believe that fruits indeed are the base of the optimal human diet.

Gosia

[gaelen straughn]

Hi,

It's really tough sometimes to sort through all of the information that is written about the foods we eat. I have heard many times and I strongly believe that you need to eat a diet consisting of 80% alkalizing foods and 20% acidic foods. This is another thing that is confusing too because you'll look at one food chart and most fruits are listed as being acidic (with the exception of lemons, limes, grapefruit, and tomotoes) and then other charts will list most fruits as being alkaline. Too much sugar can cause over-acidity in the blood, so it makes sense that someone with a serious illness should avoid fruit. Eat fruit but eat some greens too to balance everything out. I have been drinking a lot of green smoothies as well, which consist of 40% greens and 60% fruits and my pH is usually alkaline. I monitor my pH by testing my urine a few times a day and if I notice that I am too acidic then I will have some green juice or drink lemon juice in water. You can purchase pH tape at most health food stores.

A great book for everyone to read is Victoria Boutenko's Green for Life, it is excellent. Also her DVD, Greens Can Save Your Life is terrific. I have a great article that she wrote and forwarded to me called Owed to Green Smoothies. If anyone would like it please let me know and I'll email you a copy.

Warmly,

Gaelen

[English Tracy]

Dear Gaelen,

I would like a copy of the article by Victoria Boutenko please. My email address is in my profile.

Thanks.

Tracy

[alex]

For your info:



136 Reasons Why Sugar is Ruining Your Health

001) Sugar can suppress the immune system
002) Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in the body
003) Sugar can cause hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and crankiness in children
004) Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides
005) Sugar contributes to the reduction in the defense against bacterial infection
006) Sugar causes a loss of tissue elasticity and function: the more you eat the more you lose
007) Sugar reduces high-density lipoproteins
008) Sugar leads to chromium deficiency
009) Sugar leads to cancer of the breast, ovaries, prostate and rectum
010) Sugar can increase fasting levels of glucose
011) Sugar causes copper deficiency
012) Sugar interferes with the absorption of calcium and magnesium
013) Sugar can weaken eyesight
014) Sugar raises the level of neurotransmitters: dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine
015) Sugar can cause hypoglycemia
016) Sugar can produce an acidic digestive tract
017) Sugar can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline levels in children
018) Sugar malabsorption is frquent in patients with functional bowel disease
019) Sugar can cause premature aging
020) Sugar can lead to alcoholism
021) Sugar can cause tooth decay
022) Sugar contributes to obesity
023) High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis
024) Sugar can cause changes frequently found in persons with gastric or duodenal ulcers
025) Sugar can cause arthritis
026) Sugar can cause asthma
027) Sugar greatly assists the uncontrolled growth of Candida albicans (yeast infections)
028) Sugar can cause gallstones
029) Sugar can cause heart disease
030) Sugar can cause appendicitis
031) Sugar can cause multiple sclerosis
032) Sugar can cause hemorrhoids
033) Sugar can casue varicose veins
034) Sugar can elevate glucose and insulin responses in oral contraceptive users
035) Sugar can lead to periodontal disease
036) Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis
037) Sugar contributes to saliva acidity
038) Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity
039) Sugar can lower the amount of vitamin E in the blood
040) Sugar can decrease growth hormone
041) Sugar can increase cholesterol
042) Sugar can increase the systolic blood pressure
043) Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children
044) High sugar intake increases advanced glycation end products (AGEs)
045) Sugar can interfere with the absorption of protein
046) Sugar causes food allergies
047) Sugar can contribute to diabetes
048) Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy
049) Sugar can contribute to eczema in children
050) Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease
051) Sugar can impair the structure of DNA
052) Sugar can change the structure of protein
053) Sugar can make the skin age by changing the structure of collagen
054) Sugar can cause cataracts
055) Sugar can cause emphysema
056) Sugar can cause atherosclerosis
057) Sugar can promote an elevation of low-density lipoproteins (LDL)
058) High sugar intake can impair the physiological homeostasis of many systems in the body
059) Sugar lowers the enzymes' ability to function
060) Sugar intake is higher in people with Parkinson's disease
061) Sugar can cause a permanent altering of the way the proteins act in the body
062) Sugar can increase the size of the liver by making the liver cells divide
063) Sugar can increase the amount of liver fat
064) Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney
065) Sugar can damage the pancreas
066) Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention
067) Sugar is enemy #1 of the bowel movement
068) Sugar can cause myopia (nearsightedness)
069) Sugar can compromise the lining of capillaries
070) Sugar can make tendons more brittle
071) Sugar can cause headaches including migraines
072) Sugar plays a role in pancreatic cancer in women
073) Sugar can adversely affect school children's grades and cause learning disorders
074) Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha and theta brain waves
075) Sugar can cause depression
076) Sugar increases the risk of gastric cancer
077) Sugar can cause indigestion
078) Sugar can increase your risk of getting gout
079) Sugar can increase the levels of glucose in an oral glucose tolerance test
080) Sugar can increase the insulin response in humans consuming high sugar diets
081) A high sugar diet reduces learning capacity
082) Sugar can cause less effective functioning of two blood proteins, albumin and lipoproteins, which, may reduce the body's ability to handle fat and cholesterol
083) Sugar can contribute to Alzheimer's disease
084) Sugar can cause platlet adhesiveness
085) Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance: some hormones become underactive and others become overactive
086) Sugar can lead to the formation of kidney stones
087) Sugar can lead the hypothalamus to become highly sensitive to a large variety of stimuli
088) Sugar can lead to dizziness
089) Diets high in sugar can cause free radicals and oxidative stress
090) High sucrose diets of subjects with peripheral vascular disease significantly increase platlet adhesion
091) A high sugar diet can lead to biliary tract cancer
092) Sugar feeds cancer
093) High sugar consumption of pregnant adolescents is associated with a two-fold increased risk for delivering a small-for-gestational-age infant
094) High sugar consumption can lead to substantial decrease in gestational duration among adolescents
095) Sugar slows food's travel time through the gastrointestinal tract
096) Sugar increases the concentration of bile acids in stools and bacterial enzymes in the colon. This can modify bile to produce cancer-causing compounds and colon cancer
097) Sugar increases estradiol (the most potent form of naturally occuring estrogen) in men
098) Sugar combines and destroys phosphatase, an enzyme, which makes the process of digestion more difficult
099) Sugar can be a risk factor of gallbladder cancer
100) Sugar is an addictive substance
101) Sugar can be intoxicating, similar to alcohol
102) Sugar can exacerbate PMS
103) Sugar given to premature babies can affect the amount of carbon dioxide they produce
104) Decrease in sugar intake can increase emotional stability
105) The body changes sugar into 2 - 5 times more fat in the bloodstream than it does starch
106) The rapid absorption of sugar promotes excessive food intake in obese subjects
107) Sugar can worsen the symptoms of children with ADHD
108) Sugar adversely affects urinary electrolyte composition
109) Sugar can slow down the ability of the adrenal glands to function
110) Sugar has the ability to induce abnormal metabolic processes in a normal healthy individual and to promote chronic degenerative diseases
111) Intravenous feedings of suage water can cut off oxygen to the brain
112) High sucrose intake could be an important risk factor in lung cancer
113) Sugar increases the risk of polio
114) High sugar intake can cause epileptic seizures
115) Sugar causes high blood pressure in obese people
116) In intensive care units, limiting sugar saves lives
117) Sugar may induce cell death
118) Sugar can increase the amount of food that you eat
119) In juvenile rehabilitation camps, when children were put on a low sugar diet, there was a 44% drop in antisocial behaviour
120) Sugar can cause gastric cancer
121) Sugar dehydrates newborns
122) Sugar increases the estradiol in young men
123) Sugar can cause low birth weight babies
124) People with high sugar diets have lower antioxidant nutrients
125) Sugar can raise homocysteine levels in the bloodstream
126) Sweet food items can increase the risk of breast cancer
127) Sugar is a risk factor in cancer of the small intestine
128) Sugar may cause reproductive problems
129) Sugar induces salt and water retention
130) Sugar may contribute to mild memory loss
131) As sugar increases in the diet of ten-year-olds, there is a linear decrease in the intake of many essential nutrients
132) Sugar can increase the total amount of food consumed
133) Exposing a newborn to sugar results in a heightened preference for sucrose relative to water at six months and two years of age
134) Sugar causes constipation
135) Sugar causes varicose veins
136) Sugar can cause brain decay in pre-diabetic and diabetic women

Taken from: Death by Modern Medicine by Dr. Carolyn Dean MD, ND Page 262
Scientific references for each of the reasons to avoid sugar are given in the book in Appendix D, Page 359

I can not recommend this book highly enough!!!!!!!


alex

[Sharon in Colorado]

If you replaced the words "sugar" with "fruit" you would see how absurd ALL of these statements are.

For example:


003) FRUIT can cause hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and crankiness in children


Oh, no, don't give Johnny that banana - it is dangerous.

My children eat a ton of fruit and they are calm, peaceful and attentive. They are NOT hyperactive, anxious, have difficulty concentrating or cranky.

Alex - do you have or know children who eat a lot of fruit, little or no processed sugar who have the above symtoms? I'd like to know.

This just does not make sense to me. Processed, refined, white, concentrated sugar is not the same as fruit.

[Apasaraw]

Hi Tracy!

firstly, Oh Paleeeeeeeeese!



I laughed...you took the words right outta my mouth EPPP!

[light food]

I am sorry, there is no word in our language for this big wonderful group of food. When we get that X-word everything will be more easy. A global raw vegan food revolution can start with a clear overarching word or conception.

You really think that could happen?
On another board they came up with another name for raw food:

Ambrosia

[rawpriestess]

Well, to each his own, and I must say there are countless "right" ways to eat, let alont eating raw.


low calorie
low carb
low glycemic
high fat
low fat
high carb
load up with carbs
no sprouts
lots of sprouts
green drinks
green smoothies
breatairians
fruitarians
veggies
fruits and veggies'
no nuts
no seeds
no grains
only sprouted grains
only sprouted seeds
only sprouted nuts and greens
only non processed foods
fermented foods
living foods
no frozen foods
lightly steamed veggies
raw meat
raw cheese
only raw goat cheese
only ground glass

sheesh, what on earth.

and of course there is MY way, which is eat what you want, and if it's raw it is good for you, if it's not raw, it isn't good for you.

very easy to understand,

so there you go, easier now? NOT!!!

LOL it can only get more complicated if you let it.

if it reasonates with your soul and it sounds right to you, then do it, if it doesn't then get more information.

Dr. Fred Bisci, Matt Monarche and Paul Nison ALL say to limit your fruit intake, well you know what, they've all been raw for a looooonnnnnngggg time, and I'm not quite ready to get rid of all of my delicious juicy fruits, so until I am, I'm eating them, maybe I'm not the healthiest raw vegan on the planet, but I'm happy, and when I decide to change my food intake, I MIGHT try no fruit, but that isn't happening right now.

Soooooo, do what works for you.

[Gelis]

I attended a seminar today given by Brian which was informative and entertaining.

However, he said that fruit is sugar and therefore is bad for you, and so are carrots.

Yikes, I have a fruit and greens smoothie a couple of times a day, usually a banana, an apple, lemon, ginger and spinach all whizzed up.

So what bad things are these fruits doing to me? They surely can't be as bad as a SAD or traditional UK diet, with all the meat and dairy involved??

Love to hear your thoughts!

Tracy

Tracy

Not to sound stupid or sarcastic for that matter.

Who is this Brian Clement? Why is his views valued?

Thanks in advance for clerifiying who he is.

[rawlapalooza]

Here is a link to a naturopath who debunks the sugar causes or feeds cancer as well as the candida and fruit myth.

http://godsherbs.com/Test/html/myths.cfm

I've met this doctor and he has cured 70 percent of the cancer patients that have walked through his doors. The other 30% were either too far gone or couldn't follow his program. His usual program for these patients is to put them on a grape juice fast followed by an extended water fast.

I think you'll be just fine eating fruit.

[mud]

Impossible.

[Gosia]

Personally, rather than putting the fruit in the corner, I put them in my mouth. Good fruit.

Gosia

[raven]

Brian Clement is working with people with compromised health and immune systems and it's vital that he keep their blood sugar stable and minimize inflammation, infections, parasites and candida. It's probably good for the average person to keep their blood sugar stable as well. That being said, there isn't a one size diet fits all and you should do what works best for you, as long as you have no overriding health concerns.

You only have to look at the raw advocates promoting heavy fruit consumption and those who are more moderate to draw some conclusions. Dr. Graham looks like he's wasting away and Brian Clement is the picture of health. I would err on the side of moderation.

Suzy

[dreamrawalwz]

Alex - i don't agree with that. As Sharon said it sounds absurd. They're talking about the white, bleached, and processed sugar aren't they? They don't specify that they're talking about fruit.

[English Tracy]

Gelis - google search Hippocrates Institute. Brian Clement is the Director. He is American so I don't really know much about him except that he has a high profile in the raw world. He gave a talk in England that I attended. He is a very good speaker but as with anyone, his opinions may vary from others so you have to listen and make up your own mind.

Tracy

[Gelis]

Gelis - google search Hippocrates Institute. Brian Clement is the Director. He is American so I don't really know much about him except that he has a high profile in the raw world. He gave a talk in England that I attended. He is a very good speaker but as with anyone, his opinions may vary from others so you have to listen and make up your own mind.

Tracy
Thanks Tracy I will look him up.

[jenna rose]

Fruit is good. Fruit is good. Fruit is good.

[rawfigure]

Here is a link to a naturopath who debunks the sugar causes or feeds cancer as well as the candida and fruit myth.

http://godsherbs.com/Test/html/myths.cfm

I've met this doctor and he has cured 70 percent of the cancer patients that have walked through his doors. The other 30% were either too far gone or couldn't follow his program. His usual program for these patients is to put them on a grape juice fast followed by an extended water fast.

I think you'll be just fine eating fruit.


great link thanks....off to eat some FRUIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: