Discouraged please tell me your raw journey [Archive]

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 06:35 AM

I have been trying to do the all raw thing for about 20 days now.

It seems like the stimuli of events and weekends cause me to eat cooked either a small amount or a lot and it is starting to discourage me.

This has happened to me before and I would love to get over the hump and make a decision about things one way or the other.

I also read so much opposing information on-line either for or against raw, and it seems like both sides of the coin are selling that 'miracle cure' and it makes me trust NOONE. (usually at the bottom of the website they are selling some sort of product they claim is so amazing)

For example I have read Dr. Weil opposing many things like wheat grass or other raw food promoted things by saying something to the effect of 'those people are just trying to sell you something and making wild unsupported claims' However, he too is selling a ton of items, so how can I trust him either?

What I would like to hear is real honest and truthful stories (whether it be good or bad) without all the glamour from people in this forum, who are not selling something, who have actually been 100% for an extended amount of time, and have done your personal research instead of reciting exactly what you have heard before or read on some website..

What changes do you experience? Side effects? Benefits?

vgloveforlife

06-19-2006, 06:52 AM

What I would like to hear is real honest and truthful stories (whether it be good or bad) without all the glamour from people in this forum, who are not selling something, who have actually been 100% for an extended amount of time, and have done your personal research instead of reciting exactly what you have heard before or read on some website..

Sorry but you won't find honest negative experiences here either. I just started a thread yesterday trying to get that exact information from people and I got very rude responses (mostly from just one person) and the thread got shut down. I have heard that other people have experienced the same exact thing. They do not condone any negative talk here especially about the raw diet.
It is very discouraging to realize that you really won't get honest information anywhere especially from sites selling products-and remember this is one of them.

I would say to go with your instincts and how the food makes your body feel.
Variety is key and everything in moderation.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 07:07 AM

Thank you for your response.

wow, that is a shame :(

I hope that this thread doesn't get shut down.

For myself, honesty whether it be accomplishment or failure is the only thing that will motivate me to continue down this path. Otherwise, I will get suspicious.

Sensationalism does not sell me.

rawlee

06-19-2006, 07:34 AM

Hi and welcome Sylvanring!!

I have been raw since Easter. I was not a vegetarian before that, just ate normal American food. I have not done any formal research on the raw diet but, like most people, I have several raw books and gleaned information from the net. I was just looking for a diet to lose weight seeing as how I was unsuccessful with just about all weight loss plans and felt crappy while following them. So I started high raw with 2-3 cooked meals a week and I was amazed at my weight loss and energy level. I then took that further and started dropping the cooked meals, my last being Easter. At this time, it is inconceivable to me that I would ever eat cooked again, although I am tempted at times. I did decide to eat a slice of whole wheat bread last week and the results became comical....I had so much flatulence (gas) that was so loud and stinky all day. That really was enough 'research' for me. To think that my digestion had changed that much to rebel against a piece of bread! I never have gas when I'm eating raw. I have had other positive physical changes like most others here. That's why I don't think you'll see alot of negatives about this way of eating!!

Have a grape day!!

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 07:38 AM

Thank you! It would good to hear about your experience :)

vgloveforlife

06-19-2006, 07:45 AM

That's why I don't think you'll see alot of negatives about this way of eating!! It may also be because there are not many long time raw foodists out there who have had time to develop any serious adverse effects. If you talk to a lot of raw people usually it's only months that they have followed the lifestyle/diet.
It may also be for the reason that any negative effects are labeled as detox only when in fact they could be something more serious. Just something to think about.

I am in no way oppossed to the raw food lifestyle obviously as I follow it. In fact I am quite intrigued by it that I want to know everything about it including the non glossed over version. Unfortunatly that is hard to find.

bellona

06-19-2006, 07:52 AM

The way I understand it, there are honest negative expiriences elsewhere, they just aren't allowed on this site because this is for support for people who have already decided to try it, not to debate if it's good or not.

Here's my expirience. Last summer I went raw for about 2 months. At the time my dh wasn't living here (a job he had took him away for 6 days a week) and it was so easy to box up all the processed crap in the house and just do it. I stayed home an awful lot so there wasn't alot of temptation. I'd like to say I have a will of steel, but it was really that there wasn't any temptation. During this two months I was SO full of energy. My skin cleared up - for the first time I didn't feel like I should be wearing make up. My nails were long and strong. I only needed about 5 hours of sleep a night. Correction - I only got about 5 hours of sleep a night, but where before I went raw I could barely drag myself out of bed in the morning when the baby woke up and would usually just nap on the couch with him until the older two woke up. When I was staying up at night to clean the house or do my homework I was so tired I could barely think straight. After a couple of weeks on raw I would wake at the slightest noise from the baby and bounce out of bed and be up for the day, full of energy. I would be wide awake and fully functioning while I stayed up to get my homework done. Anyway I felt really, really good. Oh, and I lost about 20 lbs :)

But then dh moved back in and I was cooking for him. I crashed hard. I went to a cooked vegan diet, to a cooked vegetarian diet, to a cooked SAD diet and was on my way to a super size me diet :eek: Just kidding!

It's just really freaky that the more cooked food I ate the more I wanted. And what I wanted was always junkier than the last thing. I gained 10 lbs back in about 2 weeks.

Since then I have really gone downhill. I'm tired ALOT. I have no focus. I have no energy. My skin isn't at all clear. My nails keep splitting and breaking. I just feel generally crappy. There are days I feel better and days I feel worse, but no days I really feel GOOD. I think I always felt this way, looking back, but I didn't know it could be any better, so it's harder to deal now.

I am trying to get back onto raw, but I'm having a hard time. I have no will power and at the time my moderately healthy (but meat eating) dh is around and I have some other family members staying here that can't even be described as moderately healthy.

So I don't know if that helps you at all. But you said you wanted honest expiriences.

chilove

06-19-2006, 08:11 AM

Hi there,

Don't be discouraged! If you are looking for improved, health, energy and happiness, you are on the right path. Remember that we are all already raw foodists, it's just that most of the world doesn't know it. Our bodies are designed to eat a raw vegan diet, there is no way around that. :-)

Here is my story:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/sh...ght=year+100%25

Best to you!!!

Audrey

Mookie

06-19-2006, 08:12 AM

Sylvanring, you may wish to read some of the journals.
Most are pretty informative and tell of the good and not so good
things that occur as they go raw.

Mookie

06-19-2006, 08:30 AM

You may also want to read the mission statement of the board -
It is pretty clear on Alissa's feelings...

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3289

If you are seeking a balance of negatives and positives about going raw, you may want to check in on some other sites for that information.

I liken it to going to someone's house who does not allow smoking and then complaining because you have to go outside to smoke.
(Not an attack on you - so please do not interpret it this way) :)

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 08:38 AM

Thank you! I absolutely do want to hear the good, bad and the ugly. Perhaps I can learn from your bad experiences to see what I could possibly do differently etc.. I apreciate you taking the time to write it here :D

The way I understand it, there are honest negative expiriences elsewhere, they just aren't allowed on this site because this is for support for people who have already decided to try it, not to debate if it's good or not.

Here's my expirience. Last summer I went raw for about 2 months. At the time my dh wasn't living here (a job he had took him away for 6 days a week) and it was so easy to box up all the processed crap in the house and just do it. I stayed home an awful lot so there wasn't alot of temptation. I'd like to say I have a will of steel, but it was really that there wasn't any temptation. During this two months I was SO full of energy. My skin cleared up - for the first time I didn't feel like I should be wearing make up. My nails were long and strong. I only needed about 5 hours of sleep a night. Correction - I only got about 5 hours of sleep a night, but where before I went raw I could barely drag myself out of bed in the morning when the baby woke up and would usually just nap on the couch with him until the older two woke up. When I was staying up at night to clean the house or do my homework I was so tired I could barely think straight. After a couple of weeks on raw I would wake at the slightest noise from the baby and bounce out of bed and be up for the day, full of energy. I would be wide awake and fully functioning while I stayed up to get my homework done. Anyway I felt really, really good. Oh, and I lost about 20 lbs :)

But then dh moved back in and I was cooking for him. I crashed hard. I went to a cooked vegan diet, to a cooked vegetarian diet, to a cooked SAD diet and was on my way to a super size me diet :eek: Just kidding!

It's just really freaky that the more cooked food I ate the more I wanted. And what I wanted was always junkier than the last thing. I gained 10 lbs back in about 2 weeks.

Since then I have really gone downhill. I'm tired ALOT. I have no focus. I have no energy. My skin isn't at all clear. My nails keep splitting and breaking. I just feel generally crappy. There are days I feel better and days I feel worse, but no days I really feel GOOD. I think I always felt this way, looking back, but I didn't know it could be any better, so it's harder to deal now.

I am trying to get back onto raw, but I'm having a hard time. I have no will power and at the time my moderately healthy (but meat eating) dh is around and I have some other family members staying here that can't even be described as moderately healthy.

So I don't know if that helps you at all. But you said you wanted honest expiriences.

Laurina

06-19-2006, 08:38 AM

From what I've seen on other discussion websites, it can start out pretty good but then a few people come in with some sort of agendas, whether they be sincere opinions or a game. The next thing that happens is all out attacks, full blown warfare, with certain contributors trying to destroy the other as if in a video game. So if a site is for encouragement and learning, I can see why it must be monitored and the disrupting influences shut down, or the above really does happen. And who is paying for the website? Why pay for the destruction of the intent of the site? I can see how this seems to elilminate a full spectrum of information, but it seems to be the only way anymore.

I have decided that I can only read all that I can, consider what they are selling, consider the possible limits on their information, yes, even the professionals in all cases, continually give it a lot of thought, and always go with my gut feeling.

I used to judge those who offer information and then stick it to us with their product, etc. A lot of times the hype was the 'best' part of the whole thing, their product being something mediocre or that you could buy elsewhere and usually cheaper. But now I am beginning to believe that there are many ways to do a thing with success, and some truth may found even there.

I liked what I read on a thread about diarrhea, many people wrote in and basically said keep it simple, listen to your body, and keep learning. It is impressive to see how many people are helpful and informed. Still, we have to find what works for us as individuals. I work part time in a health food store and I have seen people claim that a product helps them tremendously, and another person say it didn't do a thing for them. So much is subjective, plus the ever present question of placebo effect and confounding variables are a constant challenge. In some cases a product will consistantly help someone, they can tell when they stop taking it and when they begin again. That doesn't mean the product is the answer. Maybe their lifestyle is, and so many are reluctant to change anything, but seek a 'magic pill.'

So much for the health food store, I am just sharing my own thing. Now, in my own experinece, I've learned that eating raw seems to make me feel better in general. I am pretty sure I have a sluggish liver for various reasons (don't want to bore you with them), and when I eat raw I feel good and when I eat cooked, I soon become very tired. In my case eating raw probably is a good idea. I have dairy intolerances, and probably grain allergies or whatever, too, judging how I feel when I do or don't eat them, and which ones. I am still learning, and so far the evidence shows me that I am probably on the right track.

I am almost 100% raw, and have been investigating eating raw for about a month now. And I sure do find information confusing. I think this is a step by step proceedure as we move toward improving our heath and probably the only answers for us have to be found as we test and experience and essentially figure it out for ourselves. I say this because all the research is being done where the profit lies, that is, the market for the research. And that is people who are about 10 to 20 years younger than myself. Being way ahead (in age) of the Boomers, I am out here by myself wondering if what I read will apply to my own body. Bear that in mind when you read my opinions. ;^)

Tombi

06-19-2006, 08:41 AM

Greetings Sylvanring and vgloveforlife,

First know that you are always welcomed here and that any assistance that you may need on your journey in regards to the raw lifestyle you will always get Now I can not and will not guarntee that you will always agree with this good advice but that would be up to where you are on your journey. Yes the support here is all about you succeeding on in becoming raw and assuring that you go about it in a way that you will receive optimum health. Please have patience none of this is going to happen over nite and everybody is different. So try not to confuse yourself with other people's confusion. Most people when they start this jouirney are confused to start with because this is all new...naturally. The other reason is because they have logged on to an Alissa Cohen message board and haven't a clue as to who she is and what her teachings are. My next suggestion is that you read her book. Very simple reading and will give you a very simple understanding of the right advice you will get from this board. It will help you discern between those who are well meaning but confused from those who have followed Alissa's program and know that it works. There are many wise minds here that are here to share their experiences with you as well as help you. One of the most recent inspiring post have come from Rawpriestess and Doug. Check them out. Click on the banana and search them. Another suggestion is to check out the some of the journals on this site. Your are welcomed to check out mine if you would like. I have been completely raw (100%) for 8 months. I am not the best journalist in the world but I do have a story I hope you will find helpful.

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2008&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

Please have patience with yourself and with others on the board who are here to help from the perspective of positivity. Most importantly create your own way to enjoy and embrace your journey.

Rawkinlocs

06-19-2006, 08:52 AM

(Note...the use of some words in all caps is NOT me yelling...but rather how I place emphasis on certain words...it's just my writing style so please, no one get offended and think I am yelling at them :) )

People share the "negative" sides of their raw diet here all the time...just take a look at the many threads where people candidly share how hard of a time they're having socially, physically, mentally, etc...a perfect example is this thread: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15973)

Yes, this IS a forum to SUPPORT the raw diet and to support people who wish to eat this way and we don't allow anti-raw talk/propaganda here (i.e. "The raw diet is bad for you" "You HAVE to eat cooked food, meat and/or dairy in order to be healthy", etc.) , but people do come here and freely express the challenges and issues they face.

So, to the original poster of THIS thread...Sylvanring, I will tell you that we ALL face struggles...it's apparent in many of the threads as well as the journals on this forum. We are not shy about saying how much of a challenge it can be to eat raw when having to cook for a family or partner...we are not shy about sharing that we are experiencing some unpleasant bodily issues as our bodies make the shift/adjustments to being raw and no longer consuming cooked food or SAD food...we are not shy about sharing how we sometimes get bored eating raw food and we get tempted to eat chips or cookies and even sometimes actually YIELD to those temptations! We talk about it ALL here...all for one reason...to get support to stay raw because while there are challenges that we face, one thing most of us have in common is that we all realize that there is something just...RIGHT about this way of eating...this way of life. It feels good to eat raw and most of us will concur that we feel better eating raw than eating cooked.

I will end with this...Nora Lenz has an EXCELLENT article on 'Emotional Eating' that I think we all should read because she addresses some very key issues that we all face or have faced or will face with eating and it's a good read...a tad lengthy, but good nonetheless. So, please take a look at this link: http://rawschool.com/emotionaleaters.htm I just really sat and read this yesterday and it hit home for me on many different levels.

I hope you (and YOU too, vgloveforlife) stick around because we ARE some good, solid, honest people...but just because some choose to be optimistic even about the challenges of raw that they face, doesn't make us/them bad or dishonest people. And one person does not speak for this entire board so don't allow your experience with one (or even a couple or a few) individuals make you create a general view of the entire board because there are literally thousands of us here and we do NOT all feel, think or respond the same as each other.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 08:55 AM

I do see value in encouragement by giving only 100% positive experiences. Regardless of how unrealstic it may be.

However, to censor what peoples experience is (which may include some negative experiences) is somewhat dishonest.

My hope was to find raw foodists who can tell me what they experience, period, without a bunch of colorful rainbows to surround the entire thing. If their experiences are purely wonderful then I want to hear about it. I am thirsting for real human stories.

If their experience was negative, I want to try to learn what they did to determine if what they did was something I could avoid.

I find that to cover up such things in a public arena where people who are attempting to find the best road to 'enlighten' themselves is only pushing them under a blanket (and probably making their personal experience with raw a rather negative one)

It is a shame to me that someone with earnest questioning is seen in such a strong negative way as far as 'forum' etiquette is concerned.

As much as you were not trying to offend me, I find this statement to be a tad exaggerated:

"I liken it to going to someone's house who does not allow smoking and then complaining because you have to go outside to smoke."

People should be able to express both positive and negative experiences to show the reality of things so that we all learn to move onwards and learn for eachother.

You may also want to read the mission statement of the board -
It is pretty clear on Alissa's feelings...

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3289

If you are seeking a balance of negatives and positives about going raw, you may want to check in on some other sites for that information.

I liken it to going to someone's house who does not allow smoking and then complaining because you have to go outside to smoke.
(Not an attack on you - so please do not interpret it this way) :)

Eveleaf

06-19-2006, 09:02 AM

Hi Sylvanring!

BTW, I LOVE your user name. I'm jealous I didn't think of it first! :)

I've only been raw for 5 weeks, but I feel SO much better than I ever did (even on a "good" day) when I was eating the Standard American Diet. My energy is 200% higher and my outlook on life so much more positive. I have also lost 26 pounds!!!

Anyway I hope you'll take a moment to read the website's "mission statement", that may clear up some confusion about why we don't like to engage in a lot of talk about "negatives."

I liked the analogy Mookie gave: can you imagine if you had quit smoking and were struggling? Say you loved to frequent a particular website because you could get that support from others who had quit smoking also, but the website kept getting flamed by people DEBATING if smoking was really harmful after all? It would completely undermine the purpose of the site and you would eventually leave and go elsewhere for support.

I believe that is essentially what Alissa is trying to prevent!

Cheers, and I hope you find the information you need! :D

Eve

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:04 AM

Sylvanring, you may wish to read some of the journals.
Most are pretty informative and tell of the good and not so good
things that occur as they go raw.

The purpose of this post, was to get summaries of the experience, I have read many journals already.

I don't care if a persons experience is 100% positive, I would love to hear it, regardless of what it is.

Mookie

06-19-2006, 09:06 AM

As much as you were not trying to offend me, I find this statement to be a tad exaggerated:

"I liken it to going to someone's house who does not allow smoking and then complaining because you have to go outside to smoke."

People should be able to express both positive and negative experiences to show the reality of things so that we all learn to move onwards and learn for eachother.

I am sorry you feel that my statement is exaggerated... I just feel that this is Alissa's board and we should abide by her rules. If I want/need something different, then I am free to seek this information elsewhere. I remain here for the overall positive experience. Again, I apologize if I offended you in anyway, as that was not my intention.

Eveleaf

06-19-2006, 09:10 AM

However, to censor what peoples experience is (which may include some negative experiences) is somewhat dishonest.

No one has been censored in sharing their experiences. Really. Just a few moments spent looking through current posts will show you that - we all write in about our struggles and ups and downs. This is completely honest and not in the least way censored.

I think *perhaps* one of the reasons people who have NOT committed to the raw life think we are censoring the negatives, is because they read so many glowing positives and believe it can't REALLY be that great, and we must be covering up the bad side of things. I would encourage you to give raw a chance, and then see if your outlook is the same. I think you'll find that you, like us, have tons of "rainbow-encircled" positive things to rave about! :)

Anyway, best of luck to you!
Eve

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:11 AM

Thank you for your input. Tis a shame to me that people cannot just take personal experiences that were negative with a grain of salt in the same way that they do positive so that we all learn and further their personal research. Instead of getting enormously overworked (I know how forums can attract all types of people with an agenda)

With that said, thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts on the matter. I would love to work in a health food store to see how different types of ways that people take care of themselves deal with their diet.

From what I've seen on other discussion websites, it can start out pretty good but then a few people come in with some sort of agendas, whether they be sincere opinions or a game. The next thing that happens is all out attacks, full blown warfare, with certain contributors trying to destroy the other as if in a video game. So if a site is for encouragement and learning, I can see why it must be monitored and the disrupting influences shut down, or the above really does happen. And who is paying for the website? Why pay for the destruction of the intent of the site? I can see how this seems to elilminate a full spectrum of information, but it seems to be the only way anymore.

I have decided that I can only read all that I can, consider what they are selling, consider the possible limits on their information, yes, even the professionals in all cases, continually give it a lot of thought, and always go with my gut feeling.

I used to judge those who offer information and then stick it to us with their product, etc. A lot of times the hype was the 'best' part of the whole thing, their product being something mediocre or that you could buy elsewhere and usually cheaper. But now I am beginning to believe that there are many ways to do a thing with success, and some truth may found even there.

I liked what I read on a thread about diarrhea, many people wrote in and basically said keep it simple, listen to your body, and keep learning. It is impressive to see how many people are helpful and informed. Still, we have to find what works for us as individuals. I work part time in a health food store and I have seen people claim that a product helps them tremendously, and another person say it didn't do a thing for them. So much is subjective, plus the ever present question of placebo effect and confounding variables are a constant challenge. In some cases a product will consistantly help someone, they can tell when they stop taking it and when they begin again. That doesn't mean the product is the answer. Maybe their lifestyle is, and so many are reluctant to change anything, but seek a 'magic pill.'

So much for the health food store, I am just sharing my own thing. Now, in my own experinece, I've learned that eating raw seems to make me feel better in general. I am pretty sure I have a sluggish liver for various reasons (don't want to bore you with them), and when I eat raw I feel good and when I eat cooked, I soon become very tired. In my case eating raw probably is a good idea. I have dairy intolerances, and probably grain allergies or whatever, too, judging how I feel when I do or don't eat them, and which ones. I am still learning, and so far the evidence shows me that I am probably on the right track.

I am almost 100% raw, and have been investigating eating raw for about a month now. And I sure do find information confusing. I think this is a step by step proceedure as we move toward improving our heath and probably the only answers for us have to be found as we test and experience and essentially figure it out for ourselves. I say this because all the research is being done where the profit lies, that is, the market for the research. And that is people who are about 10 to 20 years younger than myself. Being way ahead (in age) of the Boomers, I am out here by myself wondering if what I read will apply to my own body. Bear that in mind when you read my opinions. ;^)

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:17 AM

Hello... thanks for the response :D

... not sure why you are greeting vgloveforlife as well as myself since I was the originator of this post and they responded... But...Thank you for taking the time to discuss this.

Patience is something that I am very much working on and find that it is the hardest when I am around a lot of band mates (I am a musician) who love to eat typical Junk food.

Thank you for your ideas of things to read, when I Have a chance I will try to do that. I look forward to seeing your pics.

Greetings Sylvanring and vgloveforlife,

First know that you are always welcomed here and that any assistance that you may need on your journey in regards to the raw lifestyle you will always get Now I can not and will not guarntee that you will always agree with this good advice but that would be up to where you are on your journey. Yes the support here is all about you succeeding on in becoming raw and assuring that you go about it in a way that you will receive optimum health. Please have patience none of this is going to happen over nite and everybody is different. So try not to confuse yourself with other people's confusion. Most people when they start this jouirney are confused to start with because this is all new...naturally. The other reason is because they have logged on to an Alissa Cohen message board and haven't a clue as to who she is and what her teachings are. My next suggestion is that you read her book. Very simple reading and will give you a very simple understanding of the right advice you will get from this board. It will help you discern between those who are well meaning but confused from those who have followed Alissa's program and know that it works. There are many wise minds here that are here to share their experiences with you as well as help you. One of the most recent inspiring post have come from Rawpriestess and Doug. Check them out. Click on the banana and search them. Another suggestion is to check out the some of the journals on this site. Your are welcomed to check out mine if you would like. I have been completely raw (100%) for 8 months. I am not the best journalist in the world but I do have a story I hope you will find helpful.

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2008&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

Please have patience with yourself and with others on the board who are here to help from the perspective of positivity. Most importantly create your own way to enjoy and embrace your journey.

Laurina

06-19-2006, 09:21 AM

Please forgive my misspelling, grammatical errors and typos (blush). From now on I'll write on my email program, spell check it and then just paste it here.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:24 AM

oh thank you! I see you are a fellow elf hehehhe

Wow 26 lbs is a lot of weight to lose. I tend to yo yo back and forth between cooked and raw because I cannot get past the original cravings long enough to see the benefits.

I also will do something like a search on the internet about lets say "wheatgrass" and I will hear so many different opinions that I get rather confused about what to do.. gaah! It is driving me nuts.

In a way I do understand the statement of staying positive to encourage people to stay on track, however I find that it is important to find a place you can turn to when you are feeling negative or questioning.

For me, I also like to see what people are doing that have effected them negatively so I can honestly study what it is that they did wrong so I do it differently.

Hi Sylvanring!

BTW, I LOVE your user name. I'm jealous I didn't think of it first! :)

I've only been raw for 5 weeks, but I feel SO much better than I ever did (even on a "good" day) when I was eating the Standard American Diet. My energy is 200% higher and my outlook on life so much more positive. I have also lost 26 pounds!!!

Anyway I hope you'll take a moment to read the website's "mission statement", that may clear up some confusion about why we don't like to engage in a lot of talk about "negatives."

I liked the analogy Mookie gave: can you imagine if you had quit smoking and were struggling? Say you loved to frequent a particular website because you could get that support from others who had quit smoking also, but the website kept getting flamed by people DEBATING if smoking was really harmful after all? It would completely undermine the purpose of the site and you would eventually leave and go elsewhere for support.

I believe that is essentially what Alissa is trying to prevent!

Cheers, and I hope you find the information you need! :D

Eve

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:31 AM

I will NOT apologize for my success. Again, I'm repeating that with tears this time... I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY SUCCESS.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE RAW SAVED MY LIFE. And I dont think anyone else should either.

Arent you getting enough "negative" experiences through the detox threads? You want some awful stories that I have a good feeling you just wont find here. Being skeptical isnt the problem. We're pretty passed that now.

I NEVER thought being so successfull in the Raw Food lifestyle meant ppl viewing that success as a threat. I am just a small town country girl from an area not even on a MAP. You need to talk to ppl that have NO choice but to eat raw because they had MS, bed ridden chronic pain, CANCER, etc. The REAL horror stories are with ppl eating cooked food. That's where you will find what you are looking for.

I can't help BUT see that you want to go against the raw food lifestyle & whether you like it or not- I've been raw for a year & a half. You have the truth right in front of your face & you choose to not take it. What on Earth does Alissa or her hard work (or even OURS) have to do with you being a non- believer?? I have a feeling nothing will help you move on. I'm going to start helping those that want it. I've wasted so much energy on this issue & I thought it was over a few days ago.

If you want to know about what the body goes through detoxification, click on those threads.

Open your heart & start embracing what is healing so many ppl. And if I ever say "buy or read the book", it's because it's obvious you want to argue over something you havent even bothered to read.

Get used to seeing successfull ppl.

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:34 AM

VG was also answered because she was attacking a few things a few days ago.

I SO appreciate your approach towards the subject & I really do want to see your success as well, but success is not a threat.

Oceana

06-19-2006, 09:36 AM

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:37 AM

May I ask you where in my original post that I said that I wanted you to tell me something dishonest?

If your experience was purely positive, then go ahead and tell me the story.

Re-read what I wrote and think again before you write statements such as this:

"I can't help BUT see that you want to go against the raw food lifestyle & whether you like it or not- I've been raw for a year & a half. You have the truth right in front of your face & you choose to not take it. What on Earth does Alissa or her hard work (or even OURS) have to do with you being a non- believer?? I have a feeling nothing will help you move on. I'm going to start helping those that want it. I've wasted so much energy on this issue & I thought it was over a few days ago. "

That seems overly emotional and absolutely unrelated at ALL to what I wrote.

Obviously I am here to find peoples opinion on raw because I am INTERESTED in the diet not against it.

I will NOT apologize for my success. Again, I'm repeating that with tears this time... I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY SUCCESS.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE RAW SAVED MY LIFE. And I dont think anyone else should either.

Arent you getting enough "negative" experiences through the detox threads? You want some awful stories that I have a good feeling you just wont find here. Being skeptical isnt the problem. We're pretty passed that now.

I NEVER thought being so successfull in the Raw Food lifestyle meant ppl viewing that success as a threat. I am just a small town country girl from an area not even on a MAP. You need to talk to ppl that have NO choice but to eat raw because they had MS, bed ridden chronic pain, CANCER, etc. The REAL horror stories are with ppl eating cooked food. That's where you will find what you are looking for.

I can't help BUT see that you want to go against the raw food lifestyle & whether you like it or not- I've been raw for a year & a half. You have the truth right in front of your face & you choose to not take it. What on Earth does Alissa or her hard work (or even OURS) have to do with you being a non- believer?? I have a feeling nothing will help you move on. I'm going to start helping those that want it. I've wasted so much energy on this issue & I thought it was over a few days ago.

If you want to know about what the body goes through detoxification, click on those threads.

Open your heart & start embracing what is healing so many ppl. And if I ever say "buy or read the book", it's because it's obvious you want to argue over something you havent even bothered to read.

Get used to seeing successfull ppl.

Oceana

06-19-2006, 09:39 AM

vgloveforlife

I hope people dont get scared away from this board because of your negativity.. Have you gave this diet 30 whole days?

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:40 AM

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4

start reading journals

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:40 AM

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:41 AM

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4

start reading journals

I have been a lurker and reading journals here for a while.

Oceana

06-19-2006, 09:42 AM

It may also be because there are not many long time raw foodists out there who have had time to develop any serious adverse effects. If you talk to a lot of raw people usually it's only months that they have followed the lifestyle/diet.
It may also be for the reason that any negative effects are labeled as detox only when in fact they could be something more serious. Just something to think about.

I am in no way oppossed to the raw food lifestyle obviously as I follow it. In fact I am quite intrigued by it that I want to know everything about it including the non glossed over version. Unfortunatly that is hard to find.

Why do you post here?There are MANY long time foodist out there.

I would suggest everyone go to www.thegardendiet.com and read their story!
Storm has been raw for 30 years..?

Oceana

06-19-2006, 09:45 AM

I have been a lurker and reading journals here for a while.

Its great you are posting!
WELCOME.
MOST are helpful and Not as discouraging as others.

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:45 AM

then what on Earth are you still not recieving?

I had to learn the real story I was searching for SO long was my own.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:45 AM

Thank you, I will take time to read this some time today while at work..

Hi there,

Don't be discouraged! If you are looking for improved, health, energy and happiness, you are on the right path. Remember that we are all already raw foodists, it's just that most of the world doesn't know it. Our bodies are designed to eat a raw vegan diet, there is no way around that. :-)

Here is my story:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/sh...ght=year+100%25

Best to you!!!

Audrey

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:46 AM

Thank you thank you!!

I really hope to learn as much as I can.. I have been trying to figure out a way of documenting what other people experience so perhaps I can eventually see a pattern of what works best for people. Like for example.. more greens? More fruits etc...

Its great you are posting!
WELCOME.
MOST are helpful and Not as discouraging as others.

Rawkinlocs

06-19-2006, 09:47 AM

People, please let's not get into personal attacks on one-another.

I can see that this thread has "opened up a wound" (so-to-speak) for both vgloveforlife and lljanise (from the other (now deleted) thread) and it would be nice if it could get aired out so we can move past that point.

I understand both sides...we can work through this. So, please, no one delete anything...but let's please not resort to attacking each other.

Sylvanring...I hope you don't mind and if so, we can just create another thread if this is hijacking yours too much. But again, it brought up memories of the thread vgloveforlife started and it was bound to get people going again.

We try to refrain from too much of the "drama" and flaming that goes on at other boards, but I think this needs to go ahead and have a chance to allow people to get all the emotions out so we can (hopefully) resolve this and get past it.

(BTW...did you read my first reply in this thread? Please take a look at the link I provided when you get a chance...it's really informative!)

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:50 AM

it is obvious to me with your defensive type of speech that you are looking for some type of fight with me. I am not going to engage with that right now since my original intention was to get summaries of peoples experiences.

If you would like to discuss with me in a helpful loving, honest manner how you live your raw life, I am open to hear it, however, not in this way.

then what on Earth are you still not recieving?

I had to learn the real story I was searching for SO long was my own.

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:51 AM

sylvan you have beautiful hair.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:51 AM

Thank you, I will go back and read what you said. I have spent a rather long time trying to 'defend' my original post that I have not even had a chance to get into reading the helpful responses yet.

People, please let's not get into personal attacks on one-another.

I can see that this thread has "opened up a wound" (so-to-speak) for both vgloveforlife and lljanise (from the other (now deleted) thread) and it would be nice if it could get aired out so we can move past that point.

I understand both sides...we can work through this. So, please, no one delete anything...but let's please not resort to attacking each other.

Sylvanring...I hope you don't mind and if so, we can just create another thread if this is hijacking yours too much. But again, it brought up memories of the thread vgloveforlife started and it was bound to get people going again.

We try to refrain from too much of the "drama" and flaming that goes on at other boards, but I think this needs to go ahead and have a chance to allow people to get all the emotions out so we can (hopefully) resolve this and get past it.

(BTW...did you read my first reply in this thread? Please take a look at the link I provided when you get a chance...it's really informative!)

Oceana

06-19-2006, 09:52 AM

ljannise

06-19-2006, 09:54 AM

Did you happen to catch my message though at the bottom of page one??

The problem was VG & I wasnt the only one that got defensive.

You have beautiful hair.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 09:58 AM

Oh and by the way, from my small amount of experience with raw (or high raw) I have noticed the difference in sleep! I too do not need as much sleep. It is interesting to hear your experience.

The way I understand it, there are honest negative expiriences elsewhere, they just aren't allowed on this site because this is for support for people who have already decided to try it, not to debate if it's good or not.

Here's my expirience. Last summer I went raw for about 2 months. At the time my dh wasn't living here (a job he had took him away for 6 days a week) and it was so easy to box up all the processed crap in the house and just do it. I stayed home an awful lot so there wasn't alot of temptation. I'd like to say I have a will of steel, but it was really that there wasn't any temptation. During this two months I was SO full of energy. My skin cleared up - for the first time I didn't feel like I should be wearing make up. My nails were long and strong. I only needed about 5 hours of sleep a night. Correction - I only got about 5 hours of sleep a night, but where before I went raw I could barely drag myself out of bed in the morning when the baby woke up and would usually just nap on the couch with him until the older two woke up. When I was staying up at night to clean the house or do my homework I was so tired I could barely think straight. After a couple of weeks on raw I would wake at the slightest noise from the baby and bounce out of bed and be up for the day, full of energy. I would be wide awake and fully functioning while I stayed up to get my homework done. Anyway I felt really, really good. Oh, and I lost about 20 lbs :)

But then dh moved back in and I was cooking for him. I crashed hard. I went to a cooked vegan diet, to a cooked vegetarian diet, to a cooked SAD diet and was on my way to a super size me diet :eek: Just kidding!

It's just really freaky that the more cooked food I ate the more I wanted. And what I wanted was always junkier than the last thing. I gained 10 lbs back in about 2 weeks.

Since then I have really gone downhill. I'm tired ALOT. I have no focus. I have no energy. My skin isn't at all clear. My nails keep splitting and breaking. I just feel generally crappy. There are days I feel better and days I feel worse, but no days I really feel GOOD. I think I always felt this way, looking back, but I didn't know it could be any better, so it's harder to deal now.

I am trying to get back onto raw, but I'm having a hard time. I have no will power and at the time my moderately healthy (but meat eating) dh is around and I have some other family members staying here that can't even be described as moderately healthy.

So I don't know if that helps you at all. But you said you wanted honest expiriences.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:00 AM

To be honest, I have no idea what was happening in this thread anymore. I thought people were talking to me, but then a friend came and looked at the forum and told me that they were speaking to the vg person.

The internet causes so many problems sometimes.

I dont think that post was ment for you.??

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:02 AM

sylvan you have beautiful hair.

Thank you :)

Rawkinlocs

06-19-2006, 10:05 AM

To be honest, I have no idea what was happening in the forum anymore. I thought people were talking to me, but then a friend came and looked at the forum and told me that they were speaking to the vg person.

The internet causes so many problems sometimes.

BINGO! I think that because we cannot see one another face-to-face and because we cannot hear the tone in one another's voices is why things are sometimes misconstrued or taken the wrong way and we think people are being mean, rude or snotty because we can only read their words but have NO idea if they're sitting in front of that computer smiling, rolling their eyes or if they're looking mean! LOL!

LNdolls

06-19-2006, 10:08 AM

I always look for people who succeed with what I am considering... long term, through time and trials...
Alissa is certainly one of the people from whom I have gotten major inspiration. Shazzieis another.
Douglas N Graham has been raw vegan for 27 years.. you can read on his site for free.
Dr. Weil is not raw.. do you want to look like he does? What you want from raw or any other path is the determining factor in how you hunt for support and info.. If you have read many journals.. I hope they were ones of people who have had major success with raw. Any other experience won't do much for your discouragment. There will always be tons of folks to tell you it is a bad idea - any idea you have. Where you put your focus determines your outcome. I suggest you focus on those who do raw, well, for long times and who reflect your personal goals of health, beauty, energy.
It sure can be a challenge to make food changes.

sweetgoddess

06-19-2006, 10:09 AM

mission statement + basics for this board

This is a mission statement and just a basic guideline about what is and is
not accepted and expected on this board:
-----------------------------------------------------
You may ask whatever questions you like and discuss whatever you want about the vegan raw food diet. You do not have to be 100% raw or even 50% raw, but you do need to be supportive of this lifestyle and striving towards or interested in this raw vegan diet. If you are having doubts or thinking that this is not for you that is fine but then this may not be the place for you. Just like a meat eaters board or a macrobiotic board would not be the place for a raw fooder who is just interested in forcing their thoughts upon those people. These people on this board are here for support, motivation and connection.
I would appreciate it if everyone would abide by this post.
Thank you,
Alissa

Extended mission statement since some people seem to need to hear more:

This is a raw food board for asking and receiving questions and answers in regards to going and staying raw. This board is for the support of the raw food lifestyle, getting and giving advice and connecting with other people who are STRIVING TO GO AND BE RAW VEGAN. It is not for debating whether this diet is good or bad or for posting questions that try to debunk the raw food diet. This does not mean that people cannot ask questions and seek answers but just as a raw fooder or someone believing in the raw food diet would not go to a meat board, a macrobiotic or an Atkins board and start debating those fellow board members beliefs, questioning their approach to their personal diets and interrupting and disrupting there place of support, so is this not appropriate on this board. This board is for people wanting support and connection.

There is enough fear and mistruth and debating about diet going on in all of the places outside of this Internet circle. This is not the place for that. It is a place to come and share your same interest in the vegan raw food diet, get support and feel connected. If you need information that you feel you are not finding here or are looking for opposing views about this diet and want to discuss these view, this is not the place to do that. Search the net and you can find all you want. You are welcome to ask questions and have different opinions but please be mindful and respectful that this is a raw food board whose members are raw, striving to be raw and/or are searching for vegan raw food information.
__________________

alissacohen.com (http://www.alissacohen.com/)

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:12 AM

Yeah! Thank you for saying that about "do you want to look like Dr. Weil does?" I have always thought that as well actually.

I always look for people who succeed with what I am considering... long term, through time and trials...
Alissa is certainly one of the people from whom I have gotten major inspiration. Shazzieis another.
Douglas N Graham has been raw vegan for 27 years.. you can read on his site for free.
Dr. Weil is not raw.. do you want to look like he does? What you want from raw or any other path is the determining factor in how you hunt for support and info.. If you have read many journals.. I hope they were ones of people who have had major success with raw. Any other experience won't do much for your discouragment. There will always be tons of folks to tell you it is a bad idea - any idea you have. Where you put your focus determines your outcome. I suggest you focus on those who do raw, well, for long times and who reflect your personal goals of health, beauty, energy.
It sure can be a challenge to make food changes.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:18 AM

As much as I respect the point of this mission statement. I believe a lot of misunderstanding has come from what the goal of my original post was.

I wanted all the experiences, whether it be negative or positive to help PROMOTE me towards a raw vegan lifestyle.

I want to learn and learning comes from reading about other peoples mishaps and benefits and it is the only road I can think of that will propel me forward.

So at this point, I am not really sure what can and cannot be said here. Or what I am 'allowed' to question.

Since no specific assault was made on this 'raw vegan' lifestyle in my post, I cannot even begin to figure out what I had done to go outside of that rule.

mission statement + basics for this board

This is a mission statement and just a basic guideline about what is and is
not accepted and expected on this board:
-----------------------------------------------------
You may ask whatever questions you like and discuss whatever you want about the vegan raw food diet. You do not have to be 100% raw or even 50% raw, but you do need to be supportive of this lifestyle and striving towards or interested in this raw vegan diet. If you are having doubts or thinking that this is not for you that is fine but then this may not be the place for you. Just like a meat eaters board or a macrobiotic board would not be the place for a raw fooder who is just interested in forcing their thoughts upon those people. These people on this board are here for support, motivation and connection.
I would appreciate it if everyone would abide by this post.
Thank you,
Alissa

Extended mission statement since some people seem to need to hear more:

This is a raw food board for asking and receiving questions and answers in regards to going and staying raw. This board is for the support of the raw food lifestyle, getting and giving advice and connecting with other people who are STRIVING TO GO AND BE RAW VEGAN. It is not for debating whether this diet is good or bad or for posting questions that try to debunk the raw food diet. This does not mean that people cannot ask questions and seek answers but just as a raw fooder or someone believing in the raw food diet would not go to a meat board, a macrobiotic or an Atkins board and start debating those fellow board members beliefs, questioning their approach to their personal diets and interrupting and disrupting there place of support, so is this not appropriate on this board. This board is for people wanting support and connection.

There is enough fear and mistruth and debating about diet going on in all of the places outside of this Internet circle. This is not the place for that. It is a place to come and share your same interest in the vegan raw food diet, get support and feel connected. If you need information that you feel you are not finding here or are looking for opposing views about this diet and want to discuss these view, this is not the place to do that. Search the net and you can find all you want. You are welcome to ask questions and have different opinions but please be mindful and respectful that this is a raw food board whose members are raw, striving to be raw and/or are searching for vegan raw food information.
__________________

alissacohen.com (http://www.alissacohen.com/)

Oceana

06-19-2006, 10:20 AM

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:21 AM

I think it has much to do with the debate that VG had yesterday; it poured over into this thread.

It is such a shame because what started out as an earnest attempt to become dedicated to raw again, at this point I am frustrated, tired and just need a break from the computer...

So I think that I will do that for a bit and maybe come back later and read the helpful tips in this post.

Janet

06-19-2006, 10:23 AM

Sylvanring, please feel free to email me. I'll be glad to share my experiences with you there. ozj@email.com

;)

Oceana

06-19-2006, 10:23 AM

That is great :) I want to hear it all. Whether it be good or bad.

I read this board, have visited raw-foods.com, some internet independant websites. I also have a growing bookshelf of raw books.

If you have some tips of good forums I would be happy to visit. I am not sure which ones are really informative..

There is A LOT of info on this board!
It will just take some digging on your part!
There is SO MUCH I dont think anyone could possibly help you out!
I would suggest starting with the arcives and journals.

Here are my fav's...

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=481&sort=1&cat=fav&page=1

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=327&sort=1&cat=fav&page=1

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1447&sort=1&cat=fav&page=1

Really I feel there is NO NEED to question the process. It WoRKS.
MANY have been raw for years and some you can find on the net that is 20 plus years. I really think this board if for those that embrace the process and not question it. Sometimes people can question and second guess things to death! Give it 30 days and see how you feel at the end.
There is NOTHING to lose!

sweetgoddess

06-19-2006, 10:32 AM

I understand.

Try it and then you will know the only truth that will matter to you - your own!!

:)

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:36 AM

Oh it is good to hear about Graham, I have never heard of him before.

I always look for people who succeed with what I am considering... long term, through time and trials...
Alissa is certainly one of the people from whom I have gotten major inspiration. Shazzieis another.
Douglas N Graham has been raw vegan for 27 years.. you can read on his site for free.
Dr. Weil is not raw.. do you want to look like he does? What you want from raw or any other path is the determining factor in how you hunt for support and info.. If you have read many journals.. I hope they were ones of people who have had major success with raw. Any other experience won't do much for your discouragment. There will always be tons of folks to tell you it is a bad idea - any idea you have. Where you put your focus determines your outcome. I suggest you focus on those who do raw, well, for long times and who reflect your personal goals of health, beauty, energy.
It sure can be a challenge to make food changes.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 10:45 AM

I have come to a comfortable conclusion.

Perhaps if some of you would feel more comfortable telling me your raw experience instead of in this public arena, you can just email me at Sylvanring@yahoo.com

I would not normally give out my email, but this is a subject I would like to hear about in private perhaps (so that no confusion can happen like it just did)

Tombi

06-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Greetings Sylvanring,

If all you want and need is the experiences from those who are living the raw lifestyle then continue to search and read the hundreds upon hundreds of testimonies on this site. All of us are real people. I think someone mentioned how it is so overwhelming to realize that there are sooooo many people who have succeeded with eating raw food. And yes some of us have had a hard time doing it. Either having what I call the start/stop syndrome or the detox blues. Nothing worth doing is going to be completely easy nor is it going to kill you in the process.

My first question and comments to people who are starting raw and have so many questions and doubts is: "Why are you considering a raw food lifestyle? Please do not say to loose weight if you have weight to loose because that will happen anyway. Make the reason your hearts desire and focus only on that thing be it optimum health, to prevent disease, to gain more energy and be more productive, etc."

My answer to myself had to do with being 47 and having a 5 year old. He was my motivation. I needed to be here for him and he deserves to have me. So I had to improve my health which I knew would have me loose weight and gain energy.

Things that may help you:
1) Know why you want to live a raw lifestyle (most important). If you have no idea why you are doing a thing (anything)...why do it?
2) Know that your reason for going raw will be granted along with other healthy benefits
3) Embrace what you are about to do (accept what you are about to do) and Embrace what you are doing. (accept what you are doing) This includes the good, the bad and the ugly. Without a positive frame of mind you will not succeed too well at any endeavor, especially one that is life altering.
4) Know that everybody's detox is different. This is one of the elements that makes ones journey different from another. Know that no two will be exactly the same. There is no way to look at a list of different detox symptoms and assume that this or that will definately happen to you...and in the same way. Your journey is your journey. All you can do is note there are going to be more differences than similarities.
5) Know and Respect the testimonies of others as their individual journey. No two will ever be the same.
6) Relax and Enjoy researching, reading, preparing, and eating raw food!!!!!!!!!! Relax and leave yourself alone...exercise, yoga, meditation, etc. Enjoy yourself. Embrace yourself. Celebrate the goodness that is uniquely you.

Oceana

06-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Shona

06-19-2006, 11:17 AM

Forgot to add ; another great site is www.shazzie.com ;
she has the LARGEST raw journal on the net!

For anyone who doesn't know, Shazzie started raw as a 6-month experiment in 2000 and she is now in her seventh year as a raw food advocate. She says being raw totally changed her life on so many levels! Wow! She just posted in her journal that she plans to stop journalling at the end of this year. I was kind of sad to read that, but I can understand why.

Oceana

06-19-2006, 11:24 AM

For anyone who doesn't know, Shazzie started raw as a 6-month experiment in 2000 and she is now in her seventh year as a raw food advocate. She says being raw totally changed her life on so many levels! Wow! She just posted in her journal that she plans to stop journalling at the end of this year. I was kind of sad to read that, but I can understand why.

BUMMER!
I LOVE HER!
But I can understand that she needs privacy!

I think maybe she should post about raw and not her personal life and keep it going! Just a thought!

Sunshine9

06-19-2006, 11:29 AM

Sylvan,
I think it is great that you are doing the research on raw foods to see if it is right for you. There is a lot of hype on the internet, and I do not agree with those claiming raw foods to be a miracle cure for everything. I think our bodies and our health are more complex than that. However, I think anyone coming off of a cooked food diet could not even begin to conceive of the shifts in possibility, health, spirituality, and quality of life that do happen with raw foods, without trying an entirely raw food diet for at least a month (and I would give it three).

Being informed is SOOO important, and understanding WHAT you are eating. Eating seedless watermelon and iceburg lettuce will only sustain the body for so long before mineral deficiencies will show up. From my experience with other raw fooders, those who had negative experiences were eating an unbalanced diet and/or not listening to their body. For more solid information, I would definitely look beyond the internet as a primary source.

Books on raw (besides Alissa's)
Conscious Eating by Gabriel Cousens
Sunfood Diet Success System by David Wolfe
12 Steps to Raw by Victoria Boutenko

Good luck, sounds like you're on the perfect path for you :)

Wendee

06-19-2006, 11:43 AM

-----------------------------------

Lay-Lay

06-19-2006, 11:43 AM

I don't sell anything related to health or raw, but here is my experience

It started 7 years ago.

I had started the famous high protein diet. As a child and a teenager I was always on some sort of "diet", whether it was grapefruit, nutrisystem, weight watchers, Atkins, Curves, soup only, water only, slim fast, etc. I had made myself very unhealthy, but never as much when I went On the high protein diet which I did for a year and half. I started feeling ill one day and I kinf of ignored it and then it started going on for weeks, went to the doctors, they said I was fine. So I stopped the diet, but I kept getting worse. I not going to go into extreme details of what was happening to me, but my partents spent almost $30,000 (out of pocket, we had insurance) taking me to doctors. I was just about dead. The doctors kept giving us diagnose after diagnose and more pills. My parents had decided that they were going to sell their home so they could take me to a clinic that specialized in my condition. My insurance didn't cover out-of-state care, but she decided to do some research and she started reading about herbs and candida, and parasites, etc...that is when we started going to the health food store. Things greatly improved. I started fasting and got tons better. Still sick, but better. I got married, but was still very limited. I went to a grocery store and saw a flyer on anti-aging---I was young, but I felt old. Oddly enough I had just bought a stove/oven. My husband and I went to the meeting. I knew and so did he this was my answer. I signed up for their course. Still at this point I had no idea that all I was going to be eating is raw foods.

Within just 6 days of the coursed I literally felt healed. I felt aline again. I continued on the program for 4 1/2 months and then transitioned some cooked foods back in.

But recently I felt my health issues surfacing again. I knew the raw was the answer, but this time I knew it had to be ALL raw and it had to be a way of life. So her I am and I feel alive once again.

Lay-Lay

06-19-2006, 02:17 PM

P.S. I personally have no problem with people selling books and stuff. This is a way to reach so many people and help so many. All commercialism is not bad. Some people could not afford to publish their stories and knowledge without charging. It's just not reasonable to think that someone could. I am a writer myself (not on health or raw (yet, lol!) ) and alot of energy and money goes into books and things. I would love to publish my books and things for free, but how??? How could I put all my time into something (my life, my family) and then just put it out there for free. Some people I am sure can, but I couldn't. Even if the publishing was free my time is more valueble then that.

Anyways, that was my rant, LOL! Much love too you all.

Sylvanring

06-19-2006, 02:49 PM

I finally had a chance today while at work to click on the URL for some reason it didn't work

:(

Hi there,

Don't be discouraged! If you are looking for improved, health, energy and happiness, you are on the right path. Remember that we are all already raw foodists, it's just that most of the world doesn't know it. Our bodies are designed to eat a raw vegan diet, there is no way around that. :-)

Here is my story:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/sh...ght=year+100%25

Best to you!!!

Audrey

Rawkinlocs

06-19-2006, 03:00 PM

This one should work Sylvanring: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14740

Audrey's story is VERY inspiring! :)

Oceana

06-19-2006, 03:44 PM

I finally had a chance today while at work to click on the URL for some reason it didn't work

:(
Here is another board; I dont post but I often lurk.

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/

codajess

06-19-2006, 04:02 PM

I think there's a difference. What some folks are trying to say is that this is a place for people who are raw, or are interested in becoming raw, or simply researching raw. Negative aspects, negative experiences are all part of that. It's not "You can only say positive things" It's "Please don't come here if you just want to bash the raw food lifestyle, or if you want to say raw is wrong and that people need cooked/meat/dairy/whatever to live"

We want support for those who are raw, and information for those who are interested in raw; not a debate for and against raw food. If someone is against the raw lifestyle, they have no reason to be here.

I've been nothing but honest in all of my posts. Here's an honest and not-so positive one if you're looking for reality: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15418

dreamrawalwz

06-19-2006, 05:14 PM

I think there are plenty of "negative" posts...but they're all related to detox or "falling off the wagon," but they are negatives that never last. There just aren't any posts that are basing the raw lifestyle. If you're looking for people's experiences BEFORE you try it...why not just do it and see waht happens? It's not going to harm you, but I understand your concerns and wanting to research or hear personal testimonies before embarking on something new and different.

As for me my digestion has improved, food allergy symptoms basically dissappeared, all of my senses have enhanced, my skin and hair are softer, my body is becoming more sensative to the harmful things to it (chemicals in shampoos - i use all natural now, pesticides, ect.) which I am very greatful for, actually. The beginning of fibromyalgia symptoms have dissappeared. I didn't eat SAD, but just steamed veggies, rice, and lean chicken/fish. I'm also only 19 so I don't have THAT much to detox from. My depression has improved, as well as my eating disorder.

vgloveforlife

06-20-2006, 07:06 AM

vgloveforlife

06-20-2006, 07:17 AM

Codajess-

Thank You! That's exactly what I was looking for. Real experiences that aren't so perfect.

Slyvanring-I don't mean to take over your thread. To answer your original question I've been raw for almost 3 months and I have had off and on success. In the beginning I had so much energy but not anymore. It seems the more I continue on raw, the more I don't feel so spectacular. I guess it differs with every day though. My skin is a lot smoother although I have more wrinkles on my face on raw because my skin is tighter.
I don't have to lose weight and I hope I don't lose any as I am already skinny. My skin is so much smoother and my hair silkier. I am more social toward people. I tend to not hide my feelings anymore like I used to. I am more free to say what I like and what I dislike. There is a real freeing thing with raw. This is one of the most important benefits that I have seen so far.
I do have major PMS on raw-it is awful! My daughter has more bruises. I am starting to get concerned with her bruises. She even takes a multi about 3X a week. (it doesn't have iron in it though). She never had bruises that bad on a vegan cooked diet.
These may be detox but they may not be-I am really not sure.
I do love being raw. It feels so good. I don't think I could ever go back to eating all cooked.

Eveleaf

06-20-2006, 09:43 AM

Codajess-

Thank You! That's exactly what I was looking for. Real experiences that aren't so perfect.

This is what confuses me - why would you read happy glowing story after happy glowing story and yet somehow discount them as not "real," and then find one person struggling and say, essentially, "Yay! Finally a real experience!"

Please forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn, but it seems to me that you may have not had the positive improvements you were expecting on raw, and are looking for others who have also been disappointed to make you feel better about yourself.

I would just like to say - don't discredit the "glowing" reports others give as not being 'honest' or 'balanced.' On average, the good FAR outweighs the bad on raw foods. I personally wouldn't know what to say if someone asked me to 'balance' my happy glowing reports with something negative. Another thing: I have yet to find one person who has been raw for over a year that doesn't look AT LEAST 10 years younger. So keep at it and you'll get there!

Cheers, :D
Eve

ljannise

06-20-2006, 10:11 AM

Take it from me, she doesnt like the glowing reports.

I can tell you MANY stories of being bedridden with chronic pain BEFORE raw, but sorry, it was an awakening to get out of it. Compared to that, coughs, sniffles, some headaches & acne breakouts were tolerable. I knew there were sunny days ahead.

As I said yesterday I wont apologize for my success. And I dont feel anyone should have to either.

Do raw properly before you attempt to make up arguments.

Oceana

06-20-2006, 10:30 AM

Rawkinlocs-Thanks for your nice, positive and mature posts. I really appreciate it! I do understand the policy for this board although I may not entirely agree with it. I understand the reason to keep things peaceful and friendly. My intention in the other thread was to keep it that way.
I had no idea people would be so angry in their replies which put me on the defensive.

There was really only one poster who was so extremely rude it surprised me! Thank goodness most of the people are decent on these boards. Like all of us, I want some honest experiences on a raw diet. I responded to the "what physical ailments have you seen improve on raw" with my successes since going raw (been raw almost 3 months now) and I thought what a good idea it would be to start one with the "ailments you have see worsen on raw". It's nice to have a balance there...I never expected that people would despise the thread so much. I was embarrassed by some of the responses and doubted that it was such a good thread to start after all.

Anyway I don't want to dwell on this. I appreciate the people who have stayed positive toward this whole ordeal- I guess after this I can say I know the true character of some posters. I will know which ones to avoid because of their negativity.

Lastly I will continue to post ocassionally (I don't really have time to post that often..I have a full time business to attend to :)) but I do like this board overall. It is a nice group of raw foodists.

vgloveforlife Codajess-

Thank You! That's exactly what I was looking for. Real experiences that aren't so perfect.

Slyvanring-I don't mean to take over your thread. To answer your original question I've been raw for almost 3 months and I have had off and on success. In the beginning I had so much energy but not anymore. It seems the more I continue on raw, the more I don't feel so spectacular. I guess it differs with every day though. My skin is a lot smoother although I have more wrinkles on my face on raw because my skin is tighter.
I don't have to lose weight and I hope I don't lose any as I am already skinny. My skin is so much smoother and my hair silkier. I am more social toward people. I tend to not hide my feelings anymore like I used to. I am more free to say what I like and what I dislike. There is a real freeing thing with raw. This is one of the most important benefits that I have seen so far.
I do have major PMS on raw-it is awful! My daughter has more bruises. I am starting to get concerned with her bruises. She even takes a multi about 3X a week. (it doesn't have iron in it though). She never had bruises that bad on a vegan cooked diet.
These may be detox but they may not be-I am really not sure.
I do love being raw. It feels so good. I don't think I could ever go back to eating all cooked.

I am saying this is a kind supportive way!
I dont want you to think that I am attacking you.
You Stated you have had a "off and on success".
If this is true I dont see how you can remark on how "bad " raw has made you feel.
You like to talk about bad stories about raw; but where are they?
I have been all over the net resaerching and have not found any horror stories.
I really just get the feeling that you want someone to validate your feelings to make it ok for you.

There is NO reason to be scared of raw; there are many here that have done it way longer than you. I think unless you have spent a year plus raw you really cannot complain. (you have nothing to complain about, off and on dont count, you are just making yourself continuously detox, never getting rid of toxins, because you are putting them right back)
You dont have a journal so we dont know what one of your eating days are like; we cant help you discover why you feel bad on some days unless you post the foods you eat and you feelings.
Help us , help you.

vgloveforlife

06-20-2006, 10:39 AM

Eveleaf-No no no...the internet sure does misconstrue things. That is definitly not it at all. I have had many more benefits from raw than anything else. The benefits are certainly real too. But sometimes it gets old seeing one after another. ..I want experiences that aren't so perfect too. It seems like there is so much secreacy on this site.
Maybe it is not true...I just hate the feeling that there is all this hidden information. Do you understand?

Please forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn, but it seems to me that you may have not had the positive improvements you were expecting on raw, and are looking for others who have also been disappointed to make you feel better about yourself
You must think I have really low self esteem or something..lol...that is not the way I feel at all. My experience with raw has been mostly good but I am not going to ignore the bad and only voice the benefits like some.
I know there was a girl awhile back who went back to cooked food because of some health problems...I want to speak to people like that so I can know what risks I am taking...not because I want to feel better about myself. Only because I care about my body.
I am sure you can understand that.

On average, the good FAR outweighs the bad on raw foods. I personally wouldn't know what to say if someone asked me to 'balance' my happy glowing reports with something negative. Another thing: I have yet to find one person who has been raw for over a year that doesn't look AT LEAST 10 years younger. So keep at it and you'll get there!

That's good to hear :)

vgloveforlife

06-20-2006, 10:45 AM

Oceana-
Actually I do have a journal but I've been so bad in writing in it these days. I eat pretty good but I think I'm getting a cold. My daughters bruising worries me the most.

I really just get the feeling that you want someone to validate your feelings to make it ok for you

Again this is not it at all. Maybe there is no hidden info- I hope there is not. Again I say there just seems to be this air of secreacy (sp?). I am getting it more after yesterday's thread.

Oh well, it's okay. I'm not scared of raw-just need all the info I can get. I love raw! It's working for me. Every day is different but most of all I feel good.

Oceana

06-20-2006, 10:52 AM

Oceana-
Actually I do have a journal but I've been so bad in writing in it these days. I eat pretty good but I think I'm getting a cold. My daughters bruising worries me the most.

Again this is not it at all. Maybe there is no hidden info- I hope there is not. Again I say there just seems to be this air of secreacy (sp?). I am getting it more after yesterday's thread.

Oh well, it's okay. I'm not scared of raw-just need all the info I can get. I love raw! It's working for me. Every day is different but most of all I feel good.

I have been on a raw quest for close to two years!
For me it usually boiled down to money that takes me off track!
I need a dehydrator to keep variety; :(
If you need any support; you can count on me.
I understand your concerns.
Have you been to www.thegardendiet.com ?
They have 4 raw children.
You can even e-mail Jinjee and ask a question. She is always more than willing to answer!

Tombi

06-20-2006, 12:47 PM

vgloveforlife

When you refer to negative stories I am more than sure you are refering to one's detox experiences. Unless you are referring to those who venture on this journey with no idea about what they should eat and do not eat enough food. Have you just simply used ye 'ole faithful banana to search "detox"? I am more than sure the horror stories you are looking for are in that category. Please keep in mind that detox does not last. However, I have had detox symptoms and total discomfort that has lasted for weeks. You can read about them if you would like here.
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2008&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

You may have answered this but may I ask what was the longest period of time that you have been raw?

I ask because detox is sooooo totally different for each one of us but there are some things that are standard.

1) When you have toxins in your body they must come out.
2) When toxins come out the body is going through a detoxification. Even the common cold when eating cooked foods, dairy, and processed foods is the body getting rid of the toxins through detoxification.
3) Common symptoms are cold, flu, itches*, aches, pains, depression, etc.
4) Severe symptoms includes symptoms of various diseases or what we
commonly refer to as outbreaks. Example...if you had a case of eczema
as a child it may reoccur during detox. This may include any past ailment.
5) It takes approximately 3 years for the body on a completely/100% raw lifestyle to completely detoxify.
6) Detox can occur at the start of the raw journey, the middle of the raw
journey, or periodically throughout the raw journey. Some people
depending on their past medical history detox more so than others.
7) Most people stop eating raw because of detox symptoms.
8) You have to go through it to get to it. It being optimum health.
9) You must have patience with your self to be successful at being raw.
After all it is a journey of the body, mind and spirit.

In regards to your daughter and her skin current skin condition. One of the symptoms with detox is itchy skin. Could it be that she itched and scratched those areas initial during the start of her journey? Or is it possible that she may have had a rash as an infant or a young child? How long has it been since the spots were first noticed? How soon after they were spotted did she stop eating raw?

I had eczema as a child. It cleared up when I was in my twenties. Did not reoccur until I was pregnant at 42. Once I started my raw journey it has been reoccurring in different areas only to disappear after a few weeks. The area that clears up has stays cleared up but it takes time.

Suggestion: To help clear the skin use either shea butter or coco butter.

Just some suggestions and few things to consider....I wish you well on whatever journey you decide for yourself.

Ntombi

Pailani

06-20-2006, 12:58 PM

I know there was a girl awhile back who went back to cooked food because of some health problems...I want to speak to people like that so I can know what risks I am taking...

I've heard of two cases where people got sick and went back to cooked food, blaming their raw diet - and then came back later and confessed that they hadn't been totally raw, they had been eating some other food because they were afraid of imbalances or deficiencies -- and then returned to a raw lifestyle because their half-hearted attempt at raw wasn't working, either. I think that sometimes, we come in at the middle of someone's journey when they're experiencing detox or having trouble adjusting, and they either give up and say that raw was a failure, or they get through it and, if you ask them later, they're fine maintaining a raw diet.

I saw from another thread (the one about cancer) that if your body is in an advanced state of cancer from years of abuse, that suddenly switching to a raw diet can flood the body with toxins that overwhelm it and it can't bounce back. It could be that the member who had to go back to some cooked foods needed a slower transtion because of existing health problems that were caused by the diet they were on before raw.

It's hard to draw conclusions about how a raw diet is working (or not) for someone when you don't know the whole story.