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askcassyfirst
01-27-2005, 09:55 AM
I am writing in response to a topic that RawTruth brought up in the meet and greet section. I figured it was an interesting topic, and I thought others might be interested in discussing it. RawTruth brought up Dr. Grahams articles and some other studies which implicate fats as being the cause of candidiasis, not sugars. I figured I would start the discussion by posting my experience, and perhaps others have had experience with a low fat raw diet and candida.

There is actually a direct link between high fat diets and pancreatic activity which does affect blood sugars. Note: There are many diabetics who are in thier situation from eating not only refined sugars, but a HIGH FAT especially cooked fat diet. Personnally I have PCOS which is a disorder affecting the pancreas and other hormone producing glands. Sugars AND certain fats are implicated, which is why I do have to watch my fat intake. However, certain oils like omega 3 fatty acids have been shown to help tremendously, which is why I still consume a good dose of them in my diet. Omega threes & 6s from nuts and seeds differ greatly from those in a cooked fat SAD diet, and they are essential, we don't produce them in our body and so we have to get them from our diet.

I for one am always interested in reading about the difference between cooked and raw fats, and their difference in the body.

However, there are things other than fat and sugar involved with Candida, specifically the ecosystem of your digestive tract, mucosal integrity, immune system, etc. The problem with focusing on just one cofacter is that you are neglecting that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Indeed: one can be eating only vegetables that are low in starch, or juicing, but have a mess in thier bowels, and the candida will be escaping thru the compromised intestinal wall and floating about systemically.

You have to target the body in whole: Eating a diet that doesn't feed pathogens, (and sugar is what the yeast eat-they ferment it) will starve them, allowing the populations to decrease such that your immune system can take over. Eating cultured foods high in friendly bacteria (who make up part of the human immune system) will further benefit someone in this state. YOu must also consume the needed nutrients to rebuild the mucosa. That includes essential fatty acids needed for cellular structure & elasticity, and amino acids such as l-glutamine (highly available from cabbage.) Lastly, supplementing with herbs and other anti parasitic & anti bacterial foods such as coconut is important in order to kill off and decrease the pathogenic populations.

This practice is well documented, and there are many books and articles which show its viability. I agree that fats are probably a great factor, but coconut oil is a phenomenal anti fungal, and I fear that on a low fat diet people would be discarding its benefits. I have tried Doug Grahams approach, but based on my lifestyle, I do better with about a 15-20 percent fat consumption on the low end. But that is just me....I find that using coconut oil is a great way to fight the candida that "could" grow due to my fruit eating habits!

Cassy.:)

Olive
01-27-2005, 12:37 PM
Hi Cassy,

I also have PCOS and wonder what has been successful for you. As I've posted before, going raw has helped give me a cycle again, which is wonderful. But I wonder what else I could be doing to support my system. Many of the "cures" going around are anti-intuitive to me--low carb diets, glucophage, etc. You know, I always thought there was a link between PCOS and candida, but I've never known how. Knowing the pancreas is involved in both answers a lot!

RawNaturale
01-27-2005, 01:44 PM
Thanks for such an informative post. I love coconut oil and am so happy to see coconuts have been vindicated. ;) I take flax seed and flax oil. I just realized that my Carlson Cod Liver oil is, um... :eek: Well, bits and peices I guess. Well, I eat no sugar, no sweeteners and only a small bit of raw honey on occasion. Being such a monster sugar addict, this is miraculous here in my first month of getting healthier. I have also read that sugar is indeed a primary offender to avoid for candida.

askcassyfirst
01-27-2005, 03:00 PM
A response to Olive: Isn't that facinating that PCOS begins with the pancreas? Yeah, I was surprised to discover this, but it explained why when I did the low sugar anti candida diet I had lessened symtoms, and why since went raw, and began consuming more fiber, I had even less. Now, I eat sweet fruit like citris & bananas without issue, but if I eat too much of it without consuming enough fats, presto acne, weight gain, brain fog, irregular cycles...

I would love to share more about how the raw lifestyle affected my pcos. This is what I will do. Instead of PMing you, in order that we can open a forum to discuss it, I am going to detail my experience with PCOS in my journal tonight, and I will post a thread in the health section of this board. That way others can join in. I have noticed that there are quite a few women on this board who have struggled with PCOS. I think it is a disorder that is a result of modernity, environmental toxins, & stress. (In addition to a possible genetic predisposition. Many females in my family have this.)

Oh- a great book recommendation that shares how to eat for the anti candida diet is "The Yeast Connection Cookbook". It was a favorite of mine for a long time, and I recently loaned it to my sister to help inspire her. Though it is not raw, and certainly not vegan, it does have some great suggestions on how to detoxify one's food supply, and incorporate more low glycemic foods that are tasty and healthy. I made my first all fruit sweetener using blended grapes after I first read that book.

Cassy.:)

Olive
01-27-2005, 03:11 PM
Wonderful! Thank you Cassy!

MaxMarie
01-27-2005, 04:15 PM
The effects of PCOS, which begins at the pancreas, are eased by a raw food diet?

Goes right along with my theory. If we consume raw foods which have their own enzymes to break them down still intact then our pancreas doesn't need to work as hard producing digestive enzymes. Only 10% of the pancreas creates metabolic enzymes. Foods processed so they do not break down on the shelf cause our bodies to work harder to break them down. So our poor little pancreas overworks to the point of exhausting even that 10%.

cool!

Sweet lips
01-27-2005, 04:19 PM
Cassy,

We agree here :) and there are many studies that support the theory that high fat - cooked in directly the link for persons of color who develop Type II diabetes. Dr. Joel Furhman of NJ completed a study on this same subject and also there is a mention of PCOS as well.

Joopie
02-07-2005, 12:19 PM
I was looking up "candida" and found this thread. I just did a few tests that show I have an extreme, extreme case of candida...(on one the score for severe candida was 151 and extreme was 275- mine was an easy 310-320... ack! :eek: ) and I'm trying to get my plan of attack together. (Unfortunately, my mom believes in doctors and antibiotics, so that's how I was treated as a kid. No wonder my immune system shut down- it was so bad that I had whooping cough and have had my tonsils out. I have NO immune system left! :( )

I also have all of the symptoms of PCOS but I haven't "officially" been diagnosed with it- about 5 years ago I went to an endocrinologist to get checked out due to hormonal imbalances and some strange symptoms. He never said PCOS but he promptly put me on glucophage. I lost 30 lbs. in 60 days from the glucophage, so it was doing something. The second I got off of it, the weight piled back on. (I was eating the SAD.) Only through my own research did I figure out the PCOS was most likely the "diagnosis". I haven't been diagnosed with fibro or chronic fatigue syndrome, but I fit most of those symptoms to a T as well. I KNOW all of this junk is caused by a nasty, nasty case of candida.

We are looking at taking care of it with diet, herbs, and are going to try Threelac as well. I take Udo's Oil Blend and have some coconut oil on the way- the other things you guys talked about look great. I'll definitely look into them.

If anyone has any other advice for me, please help! I know candida is super hard to get rid of and it's ruining my life. (I figure in order for my body to be effective at eating raw and absorbing everything, this needs to get taken care of first.)
Thanks, everyone!

heather
02-07-2005, 12:35 PM
someone please baby step me here. i dont get it and dont know what you are talking about.

coconut oil - i need to use this? how do you take/use it?

flax - how much, how often??

catherinethegreat
02-07-2005, 12:45 PM
I bought a huge bottle of Nature's First Law coconut oil/butter when I read about the enormous positive effects it has especially for my hypothyroid,a nd candida.

But since I'm not making any smoothies because I'm not eating fruits because of the candida, I haven't figured out how to eat it. I tried it with a green juice and it just lumped on the top and was....gross.

I have a thai young coconut - maybe I can have a smoothie of the coconut milk and meat and add some oil in with it??

any other ideas?

p.s. talking about the different was to treat candida actually makes me feel very stressed out. I just want a list of what to eat and not to eat - The candida/ulcer stress just gets WORSE with ANY little thing. yuck.
*c

Joopie
02-07-2005, 01:25 PM
Hey Catherine,
There is another candida thread on here that might help- some of the links that Helen put in her post talk about fats being the culprit and not the sugar. (The info is from Dr. Doug Graham) I was leaning towards cutting down the sugar in my diet, but this info on fats really does make sense- especially in the light of PCOS and the pancreas.

Here's the link to the thread:
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48&highlight=candida

I feel the same way about all of the conflicting information. Guess we just have to find what makes the most sense to us and do a lot of research!

Hey, Heather!
Some people use coconut oil in their smoothies with fruit or coconut (like Catherine said), some even rub it into their skin for absorption. Those are the only two ways I know of that don't taste bad. :) Maybe someone else knows another way (outside of just drinking coconut water and eating the meat)...
As for flax, I use Udo's Choice Oil Blend- and I take the serving size on the bottle. (I think it's a tablespoon twice a day with meals).

heather
02-07-2005, 01:30 PM
thank you julie!!

Joopie
02-07-2005, 01:36 PM
My pleasure! :D

Ireland
02-07-2005, 02:03 PM
Jinjee (From www.thegardendiet.com ) says that her candida worsened when she first went raw and that included eating lots of fruits. But after awhile, it completely went away. Every time she deviated from the raw diet, it would come back...and then when she'd start raw again, it would get worse, and then completely go away.
Just a thought....maybe fruits okay after all?

askcassyfirst
02-07-2005, 02:05 PM
Joopie:
I posted in your commentary area a little on this topic.

For everyone:
Coconut oil is really nice warmed to room temp and put on flat bread. Great in smoothies, and tasty made into raw chocolate. (You can do a search on the board for the recipe.)

Yum!

Cassy :)