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Finding Me
05-17-2006, 05:10 AM
I'm carrying this over from the 30 day May Challenge.. so it's in the appropriate section since we don't have PM's.

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Hi Finding Me! I would never guess you had a son, you look sooo young and beautiful of course! ;-)

My daughter is turning 4 in July. I have to be honest, I think I have been high raw all my life, I had always tried to avoid pastas, rice, breads, because I knew that they weren't good at all and they would make me really bloaded, I used to work in show business and was always eating raw goodies with chix, turkey or fish. So my daughter had always seeing me eating like this and she used to eat a lot of COOKED veggies and some fruits. BUT I would always cooked for her pastas, rice, a her veggies. I started transitioning on a 50%-50% raw first. I been also reading RAW KIDS (transitioning Children to a Raw Food Diet) This book is amazing and has been a great help too. You have to talk to your son like I did. I tell my daughter that fruits and vegetables are good for growing. We went to the zoo and we talk about how much these animals needs to eat fruits and vegetable to grow and be healthy. She told my BIL the other day that she eats her fruits and vegetables and that she is growing lol!!! so cute! Get books or go to Barnes and noble and find books of maybe Dinosours? eating grass or other animals eating fruits like monkeys or girafes eating carrots, etc. Also, ,my daughter LOVES apples, bananas, tangerines and I have these available all the time, I put them in the counter so she could see them. If you have something available for them they will want THAT. Try to NOT to buy processed things, tell him: no baby, we ran out we only have this! My daughter now only eats 20% cooked which is not much, that includes some fish, ezekiel breads and tortillas, some veggie soups FILLED with veggies of all kinds: brocolli, potatoes, carrots, cilantro and sometimes I was adding a few (very few) pieces of tofu but not anymore after reading all the tofu links. I try to get all these ingredients organic, specially the tofu. She LOVES fish, so I put fish in essene bread, for example: Spread some spinach sauce (where I mix sunflower seeds, sprouts, spinach, avocado, olive oil, nuts) then a layer of lettuce, then another layer of fish then a layer of an enchilada sauce. I cover the whole thing to hide the lettuce b3ecause she HATES THE LETTUCE! LOL!!! But I will feed her myself to make sure she will eat everything without taking out the lettuce. I make avocado sandwiches for her but again 'I' have to feed her, to make sure she will eat everything. It may be a lot of work, but I don't care, I want to make sure she eats everything. I am trying really hard for her to eat more greens, I worry that she will not get enough chlorophill, so the best thing right now is our spinach sauce where I hide all the fats and greens possible! hehehe!!! Also, everytime we eat, I offer. I won't push it, but do offer all the time. She has said no most of the time, but WHEN SHE IS HUNGRY! she says yes and eats it! lol Just keep asking and have raw available, try to minimize cooked foods as possible. If you are going to give him some wheat or gluten-free pasta, make raw tomato sauce at least and add to pasta. Or a sprouted bread sandwich, spread raw sauce instead of butter and hide some avocado or greens in the sauce like I do. I also noticed that she loves dehydrated fruits and tomatoes, so I offer these a lot. I give her what she likes then try to offer a lot of my gourmet dishes, she will not touch my smoothies, we are working on that really hard!

p.s. I forgot to say, my daughter only eats one small cooked food a day, some days she don't. Depends on how much she eats one day, if she doesn't eat too much in a day, the next I give her a cooked food. Which may be 3 to 4 times a week!


Robertandenith:

Thanks for responding. I have the book you mentioned, and yes it is a good one. As for my son... if it is anything vegetable, he won't eat it. I'm trying to work those in... but it's been hard. I've tried smoothis and he "kind of" drinks them. He loves grapes, and he is eating some other fruits as well, but he can't understand the concept of fruit being breakfast, or lunch, or dinner. We we're FULL SAD before going Raw. :(

I have explained that fruits and veggies are good for us, help us grow, and make our tummies feel better. (he had some stomach problems when eating dairy and some other things) He repeats to me PROUDLY that these fruits and veggies are good for us..etc. (like he's bragging that he knows this :) )
But when It comes down to eating these all day...he's not having it. My concern is that he doesn't get deficient with eating the few foods that he does like now. I also suppose it doesn't help when hubby isn't Full Raw yet either. I'm trying to transition him as well. *sigh* I just don't know what to do. My son is already small for his age, and I definitely don't need him getting any smaller. When he was on SAD, he would eat all day! Constantly! But now he cries when I tell him he has to pick from the fruits and veggies we have in the house. I guess it was poor parenting of Foods in the past. I just don't know how to correct those mistakes without starving him. He does like Almond milk though. (Thank goodness!!) Sorry everyone... I'm babbling a bit.. but i suppose that's good. This is a support group.

Anyway Robertandenith, thanks for answering! I will reread my RAW Kids book... and see what I can do.

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 08:28 AM
As for my son... if it is anything vegetable, he won't eat it. I'm trying to work those in... but it's been hard. I've tried smoothis and he "kind of" drinks them. He loves grapes, and he is eating some other fruits as well, but he can't understand the concept of fruit being breakfast, or lunch, or dinner. We we're FULL SAD before going Raw. :(

We were FULL SAD too! I am too having problems getting my daughter eating greens and she only eats certain fruits. Ok This is what my daughter would eat: apples, tangerines, bananas, a few pieces of mango not a whole, strawberries, dehydrated tomatoes. Veggies: spinach sauce NOT the leaf! I have noticed that when I do this sauce she will eat it as a spread in ezekiel breads or tortillas. The question is: What do you son would eat? Since my daughter loves that spinach sauce, I can mix in there some avocados, seeds, nuts, oils, for added fats.


I have explained that fruits and veggies are good for us, help us grow, and make our tummies feel better. (he had some stomach problems when eating dairy and some other things) He repeats to me PROUDLY that these fruits and veggies are good for us..etc. (like he's bragging that he knows this :) )
But when It comes down to eating these all day...he's not having it. My concern is that he doesn't get deficient with eating the few foods that he does like now.

hhaa!! My daughter does the SAME thing, she would not eat all the fruits and vegetables she needs and would brag that she will eat them to grow. Have you tried dehydrated fruits? This way, my daughter will eat a lot more of those fruits that she likes. I make her help me, she loves helping me, then she eats the food the 'uncooked' :D AND I am going through the same ordeal, we weighed my daughter yesterday and lost one pound, AND SHE SHOULDN'T BE LOSING BUT GAINING! she is GROWING! anyways, for my belief, kids cannot absorb the nutrients as we adults do due to having a smaller digestive system. Cooked foods are not as bad as we think (specially for kids), they may be dead yes (no enzymes) but they still retain 'some' nutrients. SO that's why TODAY I have decided to incorporate more cooked whole foods, note: NOT PROCESSED THOUGHT! Yesterday I made a veggie food made with all whole ingredients AND SHE LOVED IT! I put water in a pot, and add lots of sliced carrots, potatoes and mushrooms. I put in a blender a whole tomato, 4 cloves of garlic,onions, cilantro, a splash of bragg and sea salt, and added to the soup. When the soup was ready and cooled off, I added some fresh cilantro and spinach chopped very tiny. That way these greens will keep their enzymes. The soup was yummy, her own words. Cooked foods may NOT have their enzymes alive but their nutrients may be there and they will be more bioavailable for little kids since their digestive track are smaller than ours (adults) so they don't easily retain whole raw foods too long in their tummy. My advice is to add enzyme supplements, like maybe a chewable strawberry flavor enzyme supplement? What about fruit ice cream? does your son will like to try that? If you don't have a champior but have a processor, you can mix frozen fruits and make some ice cream this way. Ask him to help you, and add the fruits he loves. Then maybe someday without him looking add nuts or other fruits.

I been thinking to add more fats to my daughter's diet so she can gain weight not lose. I been sad since I found out she lost one pound, very dissapointed. So I decided to add one cooked meal a day that was done with all the veggies I can. How funny, she will eat them cooked but not raw. I also replaced all breads with ezekiel breads and tortillas and she would eat that. They are not bad at all, they have a lot of protein and will get her fiber this way too. I offer snacks all day like her fav fruits.


I also suppose it doesn't help when hubby isn't Full Raw yet either. I'm trying to transition him as well. *sigh* I just don't know what to do. My son is already small for his age, and I definitely don't need him getting any smaller. When he was on SAD, he would eat all day! Constantly! But now he cries when I tell him he has to pick from the fruits and veggies we have in the house. I guess it was poor parenting of Foods in the past. I just don't know how to correct those mistakes without starving him. He does like Almond milk though. (Thank goodness!!) Sorry everyone... I'm babbling a bit.. but i suppose that's good. This is a support group.
Anyway Robertandenith, thanks for answering! I will reread my RAW Kids book... and see what I can do.

No, it doesn't help. Do you know what got my hubby to change his mind 100% to go raw? This post: http://rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13748&highlight=months

Does your hubby has an illness? is he slightly overweight? any health problem? It may help if he does (lol!!!). What I usually do, is to find articles and read them to my husband. He is now convinced of raw foods. He got worried about Serena losing that pound too, but he didn't mention anything about getting her to eat more cooked so I guess he is leaving it up to me. But then today I made the choice of give her more cooked since she will eat more cooked foods than anything else. I will still offer raw foods as snacks and as dinner. She does eat an organic egg in the morning with kefir (not raw but she gets her b-12 this way and some fat w/ probiotics. She will then has a banana sliced in little pieces (she loves it this way) then an apple if she wants to. Then now we are doing a cooked vegetarian meal like soup for lunch. Then more banana or apple. For dinner I will give her an ezekiel sandwich, I spread some spinach sauce with avocado (hidden in sauce of course lol) and some enchilada (raw) sauce. Sometimes she will eat two of these sandwiches, I don't mind. Then more fruit. I used to give her a taco of ezekiel with some spinach spread and a dried tomato but since she lost that pound I am changing to a cooked meal of pure whole food. This way, she will eat more calories.

If your son drinks almond milk, wow GOOD FOR HIM! Give him more and more if he wants to, he will get a good amount of fat and calcium this way!!! wtg for him, I wish my daughter will drink almond milk, she hates milk unless is kefir. Just keep trying, he will come around. I would avoid all breads, but if you have to give him breads, replace it with whole-wheat or sprouted breads. Or whole wheat or gluten free pasta, which sometimes once in a blue moon I make for my daughter and put some organic cheese with mushrooms and sliced zuchini, she has NO IDEA is zuchini nor mushroom lol! The zuchini gets mixed with the past and it looks like pasta, the mushrooms look like some sort of meat. But then again, I have to feed her myself and hide all the ingredients within the spoon just in case. :rolleyes:

Maybe you could hide some other nut in the almond milk for added fat or calories?

If you have to make 5 smoothies a day for him to drink sips of it, go for it, just like us, we get accostume (sp) to certains foods, the more we eat it the more we like it, maybe he will be the same?!?!? What about juice? will he drink juices?

anyways, I'll stop here, this is like a book or something lol good luck and get a ((((((hug))))) from me.

p.s. me too, I am reading this book for the second time! hehehe

Rawkinlocs
05-17-2006, 08:35 AM
You can also email one another! ;)

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 08:42 AM
I think you two should email one another with this, seeing that it seems to be a somewhat private dialogue!


I think this could really help other moms out there, I know there are a lot of moms struggling with the same issues right? :) I am sure a lot of moms (like myself) would be really appreciative of a post like this, no? :o :)

Rawkinlocs
05-17-2006, 08:45 AM
Just thought that maybe since Findingme mentioned the inablility to PM (Private Message) each other, that this was a private dialogue that she wanted to continue "some place" outside of the 30-day challenge thread. Perhaps...didn't read the whole conversation actually...but it appears to be a conversation between two people rather than an open discussion.

We'll leave it for now...

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 08:48 AM
Just thought that maybe since Findingme mentioned the inablility to PM (Private Message) each other, that this was a private dialogue that she wanted to continue "some place" outside of the 30-day challenge thread. Perhaps...didn't read the whole conversation actually...but it appears to be a conversation between two people rather than an open discussion.

oh I see, no problem rawkinlocs! I think this will def help others moms, it's hard to transition little kids so I am doing it slowwwwwly but surely! :D I am sure lots of mommies are going through the same so I don't mind sharing my experience with everyone.
:)

Rawkinlocs
05-17-2006, 08:58 AM
Oh yeah, definitely Enith!

I'm going through a similar thing and had a GREAT success with my youngest daughter last night.

I made stuff for raw soft tacos and I also decided (after visiting Maw in the Raw's blog) to buy the Ezekial Sprouted Tortillas for my kids.

My oldest daughter said they tasted like "real" soft tacos and my younger daughter decided to make a "pizza" instead by using some leftover marinara sauce I had and the cheddar cheeze sauce I made last night (from Alissa's book) and onions. Only thing is, she warmed it in the toaster oven BUT, she ate 1 1/2 of them!!

I was pleased because even though she probably heated it past "raw standards", she was eating and ENJOYING sauce and cheeze from a RAW recipe! She's eaten and liked the sauce before (she likes the angel hair and sauce) but I'd have a hard time getting her to eat the raw nut cheeze. Same with nut milk...I could NEVER get her to drink nut milk...but I bought some crisped brown rice from the food co-op and she eats that with nut milk now! One day, I hope she will try and enjoy the raw cereal/grawnola I make...but for now, I'm happy she's loving nut milk even if in non-raw cereal. Still a far cry from the Fruit Loops, etc. she used to eat when we were all eating the SAD! :D

I had been thinking about and even brought up to another member here (vegggeeemom) that I think a good way to transition SAD family members (or partially raw family) to raw is by making raw recipes and allowing them to heat it up as they desire. I mean, yeah it's still cooked food but if they're eating cooked food anyway, better for them to be eating the healthiest possible cooked food AND, it also helps us raw moms because we're not having to make two seperate things...we can make raw lasagne and eat ours warmed in the dehydrator but if hubby wants it warmed in the oven, he can have it that way too. Quiet as it's kept, I tasted the cheeze sauce after being heated in the toaster oven and it was very good...a SAD eater REALLY wouldn't know the difference IMHO! It's something to consider.

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 09:16 AM
I made stuff for raw soft tacos and I also decided (after visiting Maw in the Raw's blog) to buy the Ezekial Sprouted Tortillas for my kids.

OMG YES! that's how I got the idea heheh! she is such a great inspiration, that's how I got my green smoothie, I love her blog! :)



I was pleased because even though she probably heated it past "raw standards", she was eating and ENJOYING sauce and cheeze from a RAW recipe! She's eaten and liked the sauce before (she likes the angel hair and sauce) but I'd have a hard time getting her to eat the raw nut cheeze. Same with nut milk...I could NEVER get her to drink nut milk...but I bought some crisped brown rice from the food co-op and she eats that with nut milk now! One day, I hope she will try and enjoy the raw cereal/grawnola I make...but for now, I'm happy she's loving nut milk even if in non-raw cereal. Still a far cry from the Fruit Loops, etc. she used to eat when we were all eating the SAD! :D

I had been thinking about and even brought up to another member here (vegggeeemom) that I think a good way to transition SAD family members (or partially raw family) to raw is by making raw recipes and allowing them to heat it up as they desire. I mean, yeah it's still cooked food but if they're eating cooked food anyway, better for them to be eating the healthiest possible cooked food AND, it also helps us raw moms because we're not having to make two seperate things...we can make raw lasagne and eat ours warmed in the dehydrator but if hubby wants it warmed in the oven, he can have it that way too. Quiet as it's kept, I tasted the cheeze sauce after being heated in the toaster oven and it was very good...a SAD eater REALLY wouldn't know the difference IMHO! It's something to consider.

oh wow I never thought of heating the whole meal, that's a great idea! I def need to get the excalibur asap. I cannot 'heat' things in my nesco, oh my, I can't wait to get mine! :) I also want to make roll ups but don't have flat trays, geez. I think I could make my daughter to eat more raw if I get the excalibur and just be creative... it's hard, I am trying so darn hard! :o

cassidy
05-17-2006, 10:39 AM
I was just reading your posts - NO... don't email privatly! I love reading your ideas. I have 14 mos old who is the pickiest eater of ALL TIME. It sounds like both of you are doing a fabulous job! I love hearing about Mom's who really take the time to make sure their children are getting all the nutrients they need. It seems like there are so many who don't. I see Moms feeding their toddlers fast food and SODA!!! all the time! I think it is so lazy. So good job girls! Keep it up, it's a lot of work!

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 11:04 AM
Cassidy,
Thank you :o

Finding Me
05-17-2006, 03:55 PM
Rawkinlocs... Yes, I mentioned the PM feature, because this discussion was in the May Challenge forum. But then I thought it would be good in the "Raising RAW kids" forum for others to respond as well.... or just to read to help them go through this as well. I just had to put "To Robertandenith" so she would notice it and continue it here. :) I'm so GLAD you put your input in as well! I know you have much experience with RAW for your kids and any input from someone as experienced as you is soooooooo welcomed!!! :) That is a great idea about heating some of the RAW meals for the transition phase so the family is eating the same things! I'm going to try that and have like a 1/2 raw 1/2 cooked type meal. (Like cook the things I know they will absolutely not eat RAW yet.

Robertandenith: Thanks for giving detail about what you do with your daughter. I really helps other mothers knowing exactly what process you are taking and details of what they eating. Your story is helping me make my own plan for my son. Thanks so much!

To both of you: And I've never tried Ezkiel Breads and tortillas. I've seen them at my health food store. I will try those for my hubby and son. I know those will help them eventually transition to my sprouted breads and crackers. Hubby is huge bread guy...so this will be good for him to transition.

Thanks to everyone for their input, and if any other mothers or fathers have any suggestions or stories to share, they would be greatly appreciated!!

robertandenith
05-17-2006, 06:50 PM
Hubby is huge bread guy...so this will be good for him to transition.

mine was a HUGE bread fan too! He gains weight easily, so he knows white breads are just not good for him. I thank very much to Ezekiel, they are not raw but are helping so much through our transition :)

my pleasure finding me hopefully one day i'll need YOUR help, since in this raw journey there is always a new experience for me! :rolleyes: