View Full Version : Honey We'r Killing the Kids
05-14-2006, 05:08 PM
New Show: Last week my dh was flipping channels and watching 5-6 shows ( I can't stand that so I go do my 'thing') this title caught my attention and I took the remote from him and ended up watching the show. How shocking! How do people live? this particular show the whole family was CANDY SUGAR MEAT eaters. They had 600 lbs of canies all over the house, in bedroom closet, in dresser drawers, in the car, in you name it there was candy! They NEVER SHOPPED IN PRODUCE SECTION OF ANY STORE. Their homework was to go shopp for vegetables. They have never, ever done this before. Through the show I was amazed that they were not 'obese' or 'sick' like in coma/overdose/no mental activity due to soooooooooo much sugar. Yet they made a change. here is a link, check this out. Joz
Oh, that's interesting - we already have this show airing here in the UK, on BBC 3 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/killing_the_kids.shtml)
I wonder if the TLC version will be of an identical format?
The BBC format includes projected computer estimates of how the children will probably look in their forties if no change is made to their existing diet or activity levels (you can see examples of these predictive estimates in the photos on that BBC link above - those adults are not the parents of the children but are the projected adult likenesses of the children themselves). Then the families are given the task of altering their nutritional and activity habits and, at the end of the show, the projected estimates are altered according to how successful (or unsuccessful) the family has been in implementing the necessary changes.
Unfortunately, there is little or no emphasis on raw in the two episodes that I've seen - in one episode, it was very depressing to see the supposedly-new, improved and 'healthy' diet changes implemented as huge plates of stodgey white pasta with a few vegetables thrown in for good measure. It is with utter incredulity that I see, time and time again, such wasted opportunities to educate the public on PROPER nutrition, rather than the severely-limited benefits of simply increasing fruit and vegetable intake (good though that is, in comparison to eating little or no fruit and vegetables).
Although she can be rather irritating and bullish in her approach (sometimes a necessity, I will concede), Gillian McKeith is to be commended, IMHO, for being the only person in recent times, on UK national television, to have the guts and fortitude to properly promote the importance and significance of LIVING foods in achieving good health.
Still, HWKTK remains a reasonably interesting program and it does, at least, encourage the general public to think twice about what they shove down their throats, even if it does encourage them to trade pre-packed TV ready meals for a huge plate of lifeless, refined white pasta with a few slightly-redeeming cooked vegetables... "Rome wasn't built in a day" :rolleyes:
One to watch, then, at least for an episode of two, but don't get your hopes up about raw or living foods unless the TLC version does things differently from the BBC - somewhat unlikely that a national station will have the moxy to broadcast that across the USA, methinks...
05-14-2006, 05:43 PM
Yes Arky, sounds like the same format. I watch this show. It sickens me and makes me wonder how bodies can actually live on that ya know? I feel bad when the kids start crying over fresh foods, oatmeal, ect. I think it was the sugar episode where the mom and kids cheated one night, but the dad stayed on track. The nutritionist the first episode made the family vegetarian or vegan I believe (or at least that's all they shoed), but the other one she reccomends meat and stuff. Yes, it's MUCH healthier and a huge step from where they were, but I don't know, she kinda bugs me with that...She's a "top" nutritionist, she should know lol.
05-14-2006, 05:55 PM
White pasta?? Good grief. What nutritionist nowadays doesn't know at the very least a healthy diet should be WHOLE grains? This show is supposed to be a wake-up call.
Ugh, it's great to show that people shouldn't be eating sugary, processed junk foods. But I agree some of it's a wasted effort if you're making them believe WHITE FLOUR products are a healthy diet. :(
05-14-2006, 06:09 PM
Arky: that's the same format. They did show the projected images of the two daughters without impoving their diet and then with diet improvements. SAD in a way; the recommendations for a better diet was a start from what they were eating. And interesting the word is spreading to eat different and people are searching for this. Some will never change.
My sister is going RAW in Connecticut and her husband is resisting. HOWEVER, today in the Sunday paper there was an article on health and it recommended to cut out meat, and other items, that I told him to cut out of his diet. He told me he'd rather die happy drinking beer.HM? Well my sister told me today he cut out the article from the newspaper. Something clicked about all that I'v been writing him about and now he's ready to change.
I had lunch with a friend last week. She had colon cancer and post op her doctor told her to watch how much 'green rough' stuff she eats. Well she listened to her M D and I could not contradict his medical advice then. Last week she told me that she feels so much better when she eats a lot of 'salads' and vegetables. She's reading Green For Life and Tonya Zavasta's book. She can't get enough of this information. Next week she's getting a RAW pie from me. She can't eat anything with sugar and misses 'deserts' so bad. Then she's getting Alissas Book! I asked her what she's going to do about her doctor? I told her to let her body be her guide.
So all of you out there keep at it, it will one day make a difference, and:
SLOWLY THE WORLD IS GOING GREEN/HEALTHY ONE AT A TIME.
I should just qualify my statement about the white pasta - it wasn't explicitly stated in the show that white pasta was being recommended to the family in question, so I don't know whether it was recommended or not, but at one point during the episode, they definitely were eating white pasta, which was apparently condoned implicitly, if not explicitly, at the very least, or they surely wouldn't have shown it.
Yes, it's MUCH healthier and a huge step from where they were, but I don't know, she kinda bugs me with that...She's a "top" nutritionist, she should know lol.
Precisely!! :D ...and I'm not agreeing that from a raw-food enthusiast standpoint, I'm agreeing with it from an entirely logical standpoint! NO nutritionist, of whatever persuasion, should be allowed to practice anywhere in the world until they have read and understood the dangers of refined foods, illustrated quite horrifically, in W. Price's published photographs of remote cultures in the first generational stages of influence from imported Western foods. It's absolutely FUNDAMENTAL and inescapably-important stuff.
It's just so tragic that politics and commerce influence dietary recommendations in the media infinitely more than TRUTH and FACT. Until the broadcasting networks are immune from frivolous law suits and until they are also owned by genuine and sincere individuals with the public's health foremost at heart, we are unlikely to see significant promotion of raw foods in national or networked programs. As I said, kudos to Gillian McKeith (and Channel 4) for taking such a brave step here in the UK on national TV, but I fear this may not be followed up with more such broadcasts. Living foods is too big a step, in many people's minds, from the stodgey comfort foods they have grown comfortable digging their graves with.
05-14-2006, 06:36 PM
Arky you write: """ stodgey comfort foods they have grown comfortable digging their graves with."""
but the world with their 'comfort' foods does not look that far(their graves) or cares. They are absorbed in the 'comfort' for this moment,not even knowing that they are already addicted. They do hope that by the time their turn comes there will be a 'wonder drug' to undo what they did. So sure that somehow they will be '"'miraculosly" cured because the media/science/medicine/politicians: is promising this miracle.
Yep, it's so sad that the general public's ambivalence and unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for their own actions is not only a significant factor in their early demise and/or prolonged suffering, but is also precisely what those in power rely upon in order to keep them compliant and subordinate :(
Ignorance is NOT bliss in the longrun.
All we can do is change the world one person at a time, beginning with ourselves and taking it from there, to the best of our respective abilities.
05-14-2006, 07:44 PM
and here is Science and diet of the future: Nutrigenomics! Interesting.
""""Someday, health professionals will have a complete profile of the human genes involved in raising or lowering risk, says Dr. Ordovas. Children could be tested early in life so that diet and other lifestyle changes would be started before damage begins. """"
05-14-2006, 07:59 PM
I used to work with a woman who ate nothing but candy and other sweets. She also smoked and was very thin. Her mom was always bringing her bags of food thinking perhaps she didn't have enough money to buy food. But that wasn't the problem. She just hated any other food. I only worked with her for a few years.
Her mom worked there too. Her mom had a huge weight problem for some time although she seemed to eat a fairly normal diet at work. When she developed back problems her Dr. asked her about her diet. Indeed the diet was fairly normal throughout the day. But on the way home from work she stopped at Baskin and Robbins and bought one of those huge tubs of ice cream. She said after her husband went to bed, she got out the ice cream and a spoon. She would then wolf it down in front of the TV, putting it back in the freezer when it began to melt.
When the Dr. told her to stop eating the ice cream, she did. Apparently with no problems. The weight fell right off. After that whenever she heard an overweight person talking about weight loss she'd tell them brightly to stop eating the ice cream at night! I really think she thought this is something everyone else did. She was even amazed that I was overweight because I didn't eat ice cream. Makes me wonder what her home life was like growing up if she thought this was normal.
My maternal grandma was a binge eater at times, eating things that were not healthy. She knew this was not normal and just came to the conclusion that she had an addictive personality. If she gave up the bad food, she merely substituted something else.
600 pounds of candy is something else though! We probably have 2-3 pounds of candy in this house at any given time because my daughter collects it. People are always giving it to her. I don't recall people giving me a lot of candy as a child but they sure do these days! Evrerywhere we go people comment on how cute she is and give her candy. Most of it is stuff she doesn't even take because she is allerigic. But most lollipops and other hard candy is safe for her. She just doesn't like it very much and doesn't usually eat it. But if I try to throw it out she gets upset! I guess to her it merely represents something to her. She needs to see the big jar full. So I don't say anything until the jar is overflowing and then we go through it and throw out all the older stuff.
05-14-2006, 11:31 PM
when I was a child, my mom put me on diets, I wasn't heavy, she was just afraid I would be heavy, well, all of her diets, did indeed make me heavy.
It was a very strict low carb, high protein diet, and I was always hungry, I couldn't ever go out to eat, I couldn't go to friend's house for food, and I couldn't eat any food that other kids ate.
I ate boiled chicken mostly, and alot of cheese, no veggies, no fruits, and I drnk only coffee, black, that was it, the only spice in our house was salt.
But my mom would often go OFF her diet and give me whatever she was eating, which was this big secret binge for both of us, she taught me well, and I learned how to hide food, sneak food, and consume food.
If she made a cake for birthdays, it had to be eaten all in one sitting, or you wouldn't get any more of it later, if she bought a dozen doughnuts, same thing, eat them all in one sitting, so she could go back on her diet the next day, we never had food at night, because we had to eat whatever was in the house that day, and then she would go shopping the next day and buy food, then we could eat that.
When I look back on it, I see that she was trying her hardest to make sure I had the correct food in her opinion, too bad she never heard about raw, that would have been great.
But kids can only learn by what they are taught, and they do have instincts too, so hopefully these kids will learn that white pasta is not good for them, but it certainly is much much better than meat and candy.
05-14-2006, 11:32 PM
i decided to take the fit kids quiz even though I knew that these people know nothing about true health.. ok quesion one says stay away from saturated fat which is found mostly in red meats & dairy products. Ok so next question was what is the best choice for breakfast & the "correct" answer was cereal & friggin milk!!! How dumb do people gotta be to not see the insanity of this???
05-15-2006, 12:30 AM
And try and tell people to get off MILK! But, it must be good for you because they have 'famous' stars advertising it with a 'milk mustache' YES IT'S DUMB, so what to do now? there is so much information out there! but people don't get it.
Milk: my GYN asked me if I'm drinking milk for calcium for my bones. I got mad at him! told him that cow milk is for cows and since I'm not a cow I do not drink cow milk. He said, you'v been reading too much 'propaganda' . I asked him when was the last time he had some Kale and Chard etc he said don't eat that stuff. I asked him what meds he's on, he would not answer. So to answer RawVeganMom's question: How dumb do people gotta be to not see the insanity of this??? They are 'insane' and they don't/won't see this! Not even when they are on a table with their guts open they won't see any of this, because as soon as they'r able they 'gotta have' their comfort foods to make them feel better.
"LET FOOD BE THY MEDICINE" Hippocrates and I say food is your poison that's killing not only kids but majority of the 'living' and they don't see this!
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