What are your food conversations like with your non-Raw partner?

[MangoMan]

My wife and I push each other to grow .. but there are some areas that are too emotionally charged for us to venture into with each other very often. Food is one of those areas. When I started my Master Cleanse, and then my Raw challenge, I talked to her about how excited I was, and what I'd be eating and such, but I consciously avoided asking her to join me.

A few days ago she said, "Your food is Life! My food is ... death." She has obviously been thinking about what I've been eating, without me saying anything. Now, today, we had this funny exchange:
Matty: "You look thinner!"
Me: "THANKS!"
Her: "It used to be that when you tried to suck it in you couldn't. Now when you really try you can."
Me: "Uh..., thanks dear."
[Pause]
Her: "I want to lose weight before summer. Maybe I should join you on your diet."
Me: "I'd like that."

Even with that opening, I shied away from saying anything more than "I'd like that."

My enthusiasm over just about anything new that I am experiencing, getting into, etc. is often times taken as my being pushy. And perhaps (definitely) I am ... it is just that I get so excited that I get all self-focused and stop noticing body language and kind of run over people with out realizing it. Then by the time I do, it is usually too late to continue the conversation. And after that I am loathe to bring it up again, for fear that they'll think I don't accept them where they are and am wanting to change them. (In fact, often times I AM wanting to change them .. and that is a real turn-off for people. Ah, I can be such a schmuck.)

So this is how I deal with approaching the RAW diet with my wife. I love her dearly, and I want to support her 100% and have her support of me.

I'd love to hear what your conversations are like. How do you talk to your partner about eating RAW? How do you influence them, if at all?

[aromaticwings]

There is no conversation in this house regarding my diet. I do give little quips of "Did you know?" Which sometimes brings interest and other times not. Most of the time not.

But I have to say that there seems to be a small..very small change in getting more fruits and veggies into him.. If it is in the house and a salad is made already he will eat it on his own.

I started trying to discuss this with him many times.. but I always got this "it's another fad thing" or "for this scientific fact I can give you a million others that shoot yours down" so I gave up.. When I have the money to buy the groceries and I am the ONE to be buying the groceries I buy what I want.. then if there is more money left I will get him his TV dinners..<evil grin> ;)

[jaurequi]

Congratulations on your raw results, MangoMan!

The best way to conduct relationships is to not manipulate, whether that means pushing someone, or purposely not pushing them in order to get the results one wants. It's control either way. This does take effort because we all have that innate drive.
The best thing is to express one's desires honestly and fully; if the other is conducting themselves the same (which, of course isn't always), then they will in turn be completely honest about how they feel about it. Complete, thorough honesty of oneself is what I'm referring, and that is not always even possible; since so many people don't know themselves or don't know what exactly is the truth of how they feel. This is all part of why relationships take work :).

I strive for complete honesty upfront. After that, I do not conduct myself in a way to try to change them; change comes from the inside out. It has to be their choice. If they change because of what they see in me, then that is wonderful. I find it one of the best things in life to be a positive influence on someone.

How long have you been raw, MangoMan? Sounds like it's easy going for you :)

Best,

[rawfigure]

Mangoman, when it comes to discussions about my food choices, or what my DH deems as lack of food choices, it is best for me to keep quiet. I have found anything I say or any of the "did you know" statements turn into an opportunity for him to give me a hard time, go on about my latest fad and how long will it last, complain about the smell of whatever is in the dehydrator, my Green drinks, the Juicer, Food Processor on the Counter and can I find another place to Juice ? ....and so on...so I just stay quiet and make my food choices and he usually does not notice that it is all raw. He even eats more and more Raw foods unknowingly. He loves the raw ice cream I make and the carob fudge balls too. So I live and learn. Eventually he will be mostly raw diet he just doesn't know it yet !

[sport]

The best way to conduct relationships is to not manipulate,

I am currently in the process of manipulating my guy into giving up cheese and I am prepared to admit it.

[rawfigure]

I am currently in the process of manipulating my guy into giving up cheese and I am prepared to admit it.

lol..I hear you on this. We can call this creative essential manipulation. I practice this art from time to time !

[karenisraw]

I am manipulating my boyfriend into eating healthier by buying him gift cards to Whole Foods, The NHF store and the local raw vegan restaurant. I told him I got him the card to Whole foods and he said, "Ohhhh!No!, You can have the health food, all I need is fat and salt, fat and salt, fat and salt. When we went to the grocery store one time we started down the natural foods isle and he whipped around and ran out of the isle saying, "Im outta here". This is what I have to work with. I told him I won't contribute to his ill health so if he wants to harm himself, fine but I won't.

He did ask nicely once though if my raw apple cobbler was "natural". I thought that was very sensitive of him.

k

[eatyourbroccoli]

our conversations are rarely pleasant

and often followed by him eating an entire ham pizza to spite me

:rolleyes:

[rawpriestess]

I am massively blessed!!

Dragggon met me when I was struggling raw, and when he first stayed over, I gave him apple kutchen, flax crackers, home made raspberry jam, and warm tea for breakfast, he was used to coffee, and SAD breakfast with meat.

He ate everything but the flax crackers, and said it was great, he didn't ask for anything more, and we started our life together.

He knew we had different life styles as far as food goes, and as far as our spiritual beliefs, he is massive Pagan, Druid, Earth steward, Karma Facilitator, and I am 99% Metaphysical, 1% Witch, so we clash sometimes there, although we totall accept the other's beliefs.

So, I guess this is how we do everything, you see neither of us has anything to prove to the other, there is no power struggle, there is no one-up-man-ship, there is no ego involved as he believes what he believes and I believe what I believe, and neither of us feels that the other is trying to change us or convert us and we are totally solid in our won beliefs.

You see when people are uncomfortable with YOUR personal beliefs, it is because they aren't sure of their own, I may get some emotional responses here, but it is simply human nature.

So, if you are comfortable in your beliefs, you won't try to change anyone, and if your partner is comfortable, they won't try to change anyone.

This is how it works in our home.

I say, something like hey, I want tot try this new recipe, and Dragggon says, Great!, what do we need? then he either goes and buys it, or he gets it from the garage or freezer and we make it, we then both try it and see if we like it, if it is Rawkinlocs cinnamon rolls, we scarf them down and make a second batch in a couple of days,mmmmmmmm those are sooooo good, eating one now, oops, got side tracked,

it if is a dish we aren't so happy with, we call up our raw friends, and have an impormptu pot luck, LOL, they usually love everything we make.

If Dragggon wants to try some cooked thing, he just goes and buys it, and makes it in his garage kitchen, or on the outside grill or bar-b-que pit, whatever he wants.

I will sometimes help him creat someting, if he hasn't made it before, but that is pretty rare. I never have to cook food or prepare cooked food at all anymore. Dragggon makes his own stuff.

And he helps me make mine.

When I ask him why he does this, he says because it makes you happy.

I am blessed.

But then, I wouldn't tollerate any other behavior from my lover.

And let's not foget, he is blessed to, to have me. I am a magnificent woman!!!

[cranberrypineapplebanana]

Originally Posted By rawpriestess
You see when people are uncomfortable with YOUR personal beliefs, it is because they aren't sure of their own, I may get some emotional responses here, but it is simply human nature.

That is true. I think it also has to do with being sure of yourself.

[PDMagnusen]

Hi, MangoMan. My BF Denis and I talk about raw food all the time, but that was not always the case. I am 100% raw, and he is not. Although he is not 100% raw, he is now trying to be, which I am so thankful for. It's been a slow process for him and has required a lot of patience on my part. I don't believe in pushing people, but I do believe in educating them. I don’t "force feed" raw to Denis, but I DO try the, "did you know..." and I also recommend different books for him to read. Sometimes he's interested and sometimes he is not. Honestly, what I've found to be the most effective is to just simply let actions speak louder than words. After several months of me being raw, Denis was able to see how much it had changed my life (even within that short timeframe), and he began to ask questions. It has been very challenging at times, because I do want to rant and rave about the wonders of raw and I also want to be able to share this experience with him. I completely understand what you mean by secretly wanting to change people – when it comes to eating raw I DO want to change Denis and I don’t think there’s anything is wrong with that! :D I love him and I want him to be as healthy as he can while he is on this earth. I am very passionate about raw foods because it has changed my life and has cured me of Crohn’s Disease. I am fully aware of the power of this lifestyle and I want to share it with as many other people as I can. Sometimes I want to shout off the roof tops --- people what are you doing to yourselves!!! STOP!! Obviously, I don’t do this out loud, but I do it in my heart and mind everyday. The main reason why I am taking a passive approach with Denis, as well as family and friends is because I know that people have to find their OWN way at their OWN time. All I can do is provide the knowledge (if they are willing to learn) and be patient. Some people may never choose this path and that is okay. As far as Denis is concerned, he may never be 100% and I am fine with that, but it is very important to me that he embrace raw to a degree that is comfortable to him.

I think it's great that you are trying to figure out the best way to communicate with your wife regarding raw foods. It sounds like she is listening to the things you do choose to say about raw. It also sounds like you are doing a great job being patient. I really feel the longer you explore raw, the more likely she will want to talk to you about it. If she sees that this is really an important part of your life, I’m sure she will be open to talking to you about it. Good luck!

[SparklePlenty]

My husband and I have so much respect for each other and feel blessed by what we each bring to the relationship. So we have lots of conversations about raw as I learn more about it and its benefits. Consequently he is eating more and more raw and intends to keep upping the % of raw in his diet.

We accept that on certain issues we have different paces and different needs and intentions, but we find that we are very much aligned with each other on most things. He appreciates my input in this area. And he loves hearing about the changes I and others experience after a while on raw.

My 15 yr old son is "all ears", and is taking this all in. I am sure that he will end up incorporating more and more raw..actually he is already.LOL I deeply trust that information and awareness gently offered, leads to transformation.

Jan

[yeahbethany]

MangoMan, you are an inspiration!

for newbies wanting to know how to approach others with their diet, just use mangoman for your role model!

Just my two cents...

[MangoMan]

Oh my gosh! So many great responses! Thanks everyone! Sorry I haven't been able to respond sooner! (school is heating up these last few weeks)

aromaticwings - sounds like you've found a great balance!

jaurequi - I also strive for complete honesty and non-control. 'Strive.' I still find ways that I'm not being honest, and ways that I'm still wanting to control someone else.
I'm on day, well, I don't actually know. I think last Thursday was my Day 30. Today was a challenge because I didn't pack much for me while I was at school. If I don't have many 'staples' in the house, it can be a bit difficult.

rawfigure - "He eats more and more raw foods unknowingly" That's funny! :) It is interesting that many folks here have found peace with how they deal with a mixed diet household.

sport - yes, I have heard it said that someone is always manipulating where we are headed (as a person, a family, a group, a society), and if we don't put ourselves into that place .. moving/manipulating/changing our poor choices into healthier choices, then someone else will (and it will most likely be advertising, gangs, etc.).

karenisraw - Isn't it interesting how people respond to foods that are in their most basic form? For many folks, it can seem normal to consume foods that have come from all over the world, are processed at many different locations, irradiated, bleached, artificial colors and flavors are added, then bht to protect the artificial flavors, cooked, then frozen, then packed in plastic, then trucked yet again to a distribution wharehouse, then trucked yet again to a fastfood restaurant where it is recooked and then set under a heat lamp waiting for us to drive over there and purchase the food product (which is then wrapped back up and put in a bag)... and that seems normal! Our entire society has a ways to go to understand sustainability. Meanwhile, you love your boyfriend, continue to eat the way you are called to eat, and allow him to make his own choices. Sounds really good!

eatyourbroccoli - Mmmm, Pizza! I've been wanting to make the one in Alyssa's book. Wouldn't it be great to be able to eat pizza with him? You eat yours, he eats his, and you both maybe get a laugh out of it? Or maybe not. I know it can be frustrating when I am in to something and she isn't .. especially when I think that my thing is REALLY important, and that she is wrong for not being supportive. Not saying that is you .. that is just how things have been for me with my wife.

rawpriestess - I've been wanting to try Rawkinlocs cinnamon rolls, but had forgotten! THanks for the reminder! And I like what you say about our own comfort with where we are. "I am blessed. But then, I wouldn't tollerate any other behavior from my lover." Isn't it a fine line there .. accepting and yet not tollerating? "And let's not foget, he is blessed to, to have me. I am a magnificent woman!!!" YES YOU ARE! :)

PDMagnusen - yea, regarding a 'way' to be with people about the raw diet .. it really goes back to just being yourself. Respectful of others, and being and doing what is natural for you. Thanks for the encouragement!

SparklePlenty - My 3.5 year old is all ears too! When he is playing make-believe in the sandbox, he'll hand me a bucket of sand and tell me it is some sort of food, and will say that I can eat it because it is raw! :D He is A L W A Y S listening! Same is true for our 16 month old, but I forget this more often because he doesn't talk much yet. Yea, being a role model really does have a large effect.

yeahbethany - speaking of role model .. look at YOU! A raw marathoner!!! You go girl!!! (And thanks!!)

[Revvell]

What are your food conversations like with your non-Raw partner?

Me: You want me to make you something for lunch?
Him: No thanks, I'm fine.
Me: o.k.

Revvell

[jaurequi]

I am currently in the process of manipulating my guy into giving up cheese and I am prepared to admit it.

:D Is it working?

Sounds like it's all going well, Mango Man! And starting your children young is the best way to build a healthy foundation for him. I wish my parents had been more knowledgeable when I was a child; they did the best they could.

Best,

[robertandenith]

wohoo! I knew it MangoMan, I rmember that post and I even told you that your wife was throwing you 'hints' or something. After a year of me trying to convince my husband , he is now going raw. THANKS TO THIS BOARD AND THIS POST! http://rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13748&highlight=months

We know are 'in tune', thankfully we have always been but now even more. Food is very important in everyones life. I remember he was a red meat lover and I was a fish fanatic. Now, we are raw food equally inclined and we can share a lot more things now than before, it's amazing. Since then, our relantionship have gotten even better. I am loving it! thanks for sharing your experience with us!

[cassidy]

Me: Hey honey do you want to try this juice I made?
Him: Whats in it?
Me: Lots of good stuff.
Him: Why is it green. Juice isn't sapposed to be green.
Me: Because I put green stuff in it... just drink it.
Him: I don't want it.
Me: If you don't drink it you will waste it because I already drank mine. I 'll have to pour it down the drain. You have to drink it.
Him: Ok...
Me: Did you like it?
Him: It drank so fast I couldn't taste it.

He has had a green lemonade every morning now for the past week!

I also made him coconut noodles with cashew sauce and he ate it... and liked it!

Most conversations end with: Stop trying to make me eat raw crap. I like Meat OK? I like it cooked and I like cheese and pizza and candy. OK???

[Sharon in Colorado]

Me - Hey hon, how about some chocolate pudding?
Him (cautiously) - What *kind* of chocolate pudding?
Me - It's really good, just try it, here!
Him (taking a bite) - What is in it?
Me - Well, it's raw, okay!?
Him - Well, it has a strange bitter aftertaste (still being cautious)
Me - Grrrr... leaving the room

Next scene, in the kitchen, Sharon happens upon a cup of chocolate pudding, with the spoon still in it and one bite missing. She puts it in the fridge and eats it for breakfast the next morning.

He doesn't like to hurt my feelings and supports me but doesn't want to eat all the weird stuff I make! He does fruit, salad, smoothies but he really doesn't like any of the recipes.

It was the chocolate pudding from Raw Food Real World and it did have a bitter aftertaste but I got used to it and it started tasting good to me, lol.

[gatorgrrl]

My husband is very supportive of my lifestyle this time around. He wants me to feel good and he knows this is the answer for me. He is not 100%, but he is 50-75% most of the time. We have no cooked food in our fridge. There is some in the freezer, but he rarely eats it. There are a few can goods and dry box goods if he gets to needing it at home. He usually doesn't eat cooked food at home, he goes out or eats it at my parents house. He is trying very hard to transition to 100%. He said his goal is to be 100% in a year. This is a very good goal for him.

[LovingLife]

Me: You want me to make you something for lunch?
Him: No thanks, I'm fine.
Me: o.k.

Revvell


:D -- Mine's something like that only my dh tries what I make:

Me -- You've got to try this new . . . that I've made.
DH -- okay
Me -- Isn't it great?
DH -- It all tastes the same.

He loves that I'm doing it though -- he can see the health benefits and is as amazed by it as I am.

[BerryGirl]

I've been trying to make meals that incorporate raw and non-raw foods. One night I made Alissa's chili (*so* good!) and cooked spaghetti for DH and his friend so they could have Cincinnati chili loaded with cheese and sour cream and chili, and I ate the chili alone. He actually said this week that he wants me to make something raw for him for dinner this week! He's always up for trying whatever I make and giving me his honest opinion. When we go out, he supports whatever I decide to order. lol It was so funny, we went to Montgomery (AL) a few weekends ago for a little getaway, and we went to El Rey Burrito Lounge. I ordered a (non-raw) burrito with tempeh, black beans, etc.-- it was all vegan. And DH ordered the "Big Meat" burrito stuffed with cheese, shrimp, etc. We make an interesting couple.

[yeahbethany]

Hey everyone,

I must say I'm reading a lot of things on this thread that trouble me.

I know we all mean well. We are all excited about eating raw. We've learned about the benefits of raw and we want our loved ones to come around to it too.

But when were are pushy with them, we can cause them to RUN, not walk, in the other direction!

If we make some food, offering some to our loved ones is nice. But if they don't seem receptive, or if they seem kinda grossed out...it is my personal feeling that pushing it on them is the wrong way to go. Pushing seems to range from the gentle ("oh, come on, it's really good!") to the guilt trips ("but I made it for you and I'll have to toss it out if you don't eat it") to the manipulation (well...).

To flip this around, how would we react if our SAD friends/family used these lines on us?

"Oh come on, these mashed potatoes are really good"
"I made this mac and cheese just for you. I will have to waste it if you dont' eat it."

To say the least, I know that I would feel angry and resentful at them. I would feel like they didn't respect my wishes. Like they didn't support me. Like they were trying to turn me into something I dont' want to be. Like their love for me was conditional upon me eating like they do.

I hate to be so negative. Most of the time, if I disagree with someone, my policy is to just smile and keep my mouth shut. However, I feel I must post this here, because if we are to turn anyone on to raw at all, we must not make people feel angry and resentful towards our diet. We must not make them feel like we expect them to chanage. We must make them know that our love for them is UNCONDITIONAL. I feel like we shouldn't be "supporting" each other for doing the opposite; we should be helping each other grow. ;)

Something to keep in mind: "turning a person on to raw" may not mean that they will go all raw. It may just mean that your mother starts buying way more fruit than she used to, and tries your kale salad recipe and loves it. It may just mean that your orthodox jewish brother tells you that he wants to prepare an all raw Shabbat dinner when you and your raw partner are visiting, and would you help and teach him how? It may just mean that your father calls you up and tells you he watched "Rick Bayless on the food network make a tomatillo salsa, and you could make that raw, couldn't you?" It may just mean that your partner's SAD-no-fruits-and-veggies mother starts buying dried fruit and smoothies to snack on, in addition to her candy. It may just mean that his diabetic grandmother starts drinking green smoothies, and likes them so much that she teaches others how to make them. The others call you and rave about how good they feel when they drink the smoothies and how they want to include more raw foods in their diet. So you buy the others a copy of "Instant Raw Sensations" and they learn more about raw. It may just mean that after a lunch meeting, your coworkers bring you the leftover fruit salad, because they thought you might enjoy it. It may just mean that your friend studying in medical school is aware of the great things people have overcome on raw, and so when she becomes a doctor, there will be another doctor in this world who is open to the idea of a raw lifestyle. It may just mean that your friend from high school with whom you just got back in touch enjoys a raw meal at your house, is amazed, and borrows "Raw Food Made Easy for 1 or 2 people."

All of the above has happened to me in the two and a half years I've been raw, and I feel extremely blessed, and happy for my friends and family for eating healthier. I am not about to sulk and wish they would "support me more" by suffering comments from me that I would not want anyone to ever say to me, lest they "sabotage my attempts". Imagine how much happiness I'd be missing if I said "oh, but nobody supports my diet, nobody is raw with me." We'd be looking for the forest, only to missing the trees, that's for sure!

All Matt and I do is share raw in a non-judgemental way. If people want to try our food, they are free to do so. If not, they are free to decline without guilt or pressure. None of them are all raw. But all are better off, and we live in harmony. The seed is planted.

If anyone would like to ask further questions on how we accomplish this, I'd be happy to answer as best I can. If you'd like to tell me how judgemental you think I'm being, please sleep on it first :o . I mean well, I really do. I don't mean to offend, or single anyone out. It's just that we're all in this together, so we need to put the best face forward possible, and we'll do this by loving others, not by pressuring others to change. As I've said before, I find MangoMan to be an EXCEPTIONAL role model. Same with Revvel and RawPriestess.

By the way, there is a chapter in Victoria Boutenko's "12 steps to raw foods" about living in harmony with those who do not eat raw. I highly recommend it.

What do you all think?

-Bethany

[LovingLife]

Even though I ask my dh to try my new raw concoctions, I've never pushed it on him. One time I brought up the pesto stuffed mushrooms and the smell turned him off before it even got to his mouth, so he didn't try it. Didn't bother me a bit -- nor him (even though they are my favorite).

[Sharon in Colorado]

Maybe it is easier on the other side when both spouses are already raw, so it doesn't seem like the challenge it is if you aren't living in the same situation as living with a non-raw spouse.

It is a different thing altogether when there is only one raw person in the household, and you're the lady of the house, and cooking for everyone else.

Personally I don't force it on the others, and most of the time when I make something really good I like to keep it to myself and let the others have their baked cookies and cow ice cream, but once in a while I do offer what I prepare. Sometimes it is well received and other times not - but I do get that "cautious" attitude before something I made is tried.

I don't go overboard with all the recipes and dehydration like I used to, but when I do it once in a while, I like to share with the others. There's no crime in that.

[dreamrawalwz]

yeahbethany - I understand where you're coming from. It's hard when you *know* what will help your loved ones feel better and they don't want anything to do with it. I tell my mom little "did you know..." facts daily and I'm sure it's really bugging her, but i can't help it. I just want her to change her diet so she can end her pain, it makes me sad. She does keep saying though "if you stop it then I'll do it..." kinda like a rebellion, ' i'll eat this cooked thing out of spikte.' it's just too hard for me to sit back and watch her though...

[yeahbethany]

Hi Dreamraw and everyone,
You bring up a very good point, which I did not remember at the time I was posting...

I believe that one of THE hardest things about getting healthier is watching those people who you love suffer. It is definitely one of the most painful things.

All the more reason to influence them positively as much as possible.

[PDMagnusen]

Bethany, I really appreciate your post and I agree with what you are saying. As much as I feel that raw foods are what everyone should be eating, I do not push my family or friends to eat them. I agree not everyone will embrace raw and we should respect and love our family and friends unconditionally. I do want to say that those people close to me know that I would not love them any less simply because they choose to eat cooked food or meat. I am very passive when it comes to them. That being said, I used a slightly different approach with my boyfriend Denis. I would never want to make him feel angry or resentful towards RAW, and I know him well enough to know that he would share those feelings with me if he truly felt that way. I was raw for about 6 months before he started pursing it, but it was very well known between the two of us that I wanted him to embrace the lifestyle. Now, I love him unconditionally and if he didn't embrace raw I would still love him the same. He knows that as well. But to me, being with someone who wants to achieve optimum health is very important to me. I want Denis to be healthy because he is the man I will be spending the rest of my life with. If GOD and the Universe permit, I want him to be along side me happy and healthy for many years to come. I also want to say that I understand/ believe that there are other important factors that are beyond our control that play into our longevity and health here on this earth, and all we can really do is try to do our part. We are both avid readers and we share everything we learn with each other. It's important to educate each other. Denis was mostly comfortable pursuing raw because he saw how it changed my life and cured me of Crohn’s disease. He believes in this lifestyle too. I feel so blessed to have him and I am so thankful that he has been open enough to allow himself to experience eating raw for himself. If I wasn’t so lucky and he didn’t want to pursue raw at all, I guess I would just have to try a different approach. I don’t think I would ever give up, but I wouldn’t be too pushy either. In my opinion, it’s important for each person to evaluate his/her own relationships and determine what they feel works best for them in regards to communicating because each relationship is unique. :)

[robertandenith]

Well, yesterday my husband told me OUT OF THE BLUE that he wants to fast! OMG I HAVE SO MUCH ENVY I WISH I COULD FAST! LOL

Anyways, I will be preparing all his juices and help him with encouragment. Also, yesterday we had a conversation about our little daughter (the baby) about her having her ears sligtly pointing out, which can be corrected by making her wear a hair band made of fabric and make her wear it OVER her ears. She HATES THEM! so I mentioned to him (as a joke) well... there is surgery. Maybe when she gets old and want to get surgery done, I would let her do that. Then he replied: "But that's NOT NATURAL! " :eek: I high five him, I could'nt believe it I am so proud of him. :D