Thyroid gland!

[fallenangel]

hi guys
has anybody noticed a change in the glands under their neck??? My thyroid gland seems to be swollen and sore with about a week! does anybody recognise this symptom??? I find it very hard to lose weight, maybe this is related! :eek:

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi FallenAngle,

Have you just started eating all raw? I'm wondering if it's detox. Have you had your thyroid tested? If not, be sure your tests include the FREE T3 (not the T3 Uptake - don't confuse the 2) & antibodies tests.

I had an enlarged thyroid and was diagnosed with Hashimoto Thyroiditis. I had a TSH of 49. I was put on Synthroid and became very ill. I was switched to Armour Thyroid and all my symptoms went away. I am now eating high raw and my thyroid meds have been cut back numerous times. One day I will be off the meds and I won't have any thyroid problems either.

My story/testimony: http://www.shazzie.com/raw/transformation/helen.shtml

[honeybee joy]

Try taking a kelp tablet. Make sure it is no more that 150 mcgs. I have hypothyrodism, but I noticed when I went raw my gland would start swelling up. This is just my opinion, but I think that when people change to raw foods it could be a shock to the thyroid gland because it is used to getting all ot that iodized salt. I would might try and not eat as many goitergen foods, because that blocks eather the absorption or production (can't remember) of thyroid hormone.
Goitergen Foods:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=47

The kelp tablet helped alot! I got a whole food Wild Oats brand.

I noticed a change when I started putting sea salt in my water. 1/8th tsp. Don't ask me why it helped, but my throat would not be a swolen.

Hope you start feeling better soon.

[honeybee joy]

Oh, one other thing, coconut oil is suppost to be really good for thyroid probs. Wish I had some info for you. If I find some I will post it up here. I just started adding a tablespoon a day. I will let you know what I notice.

[fallenangel]

Thanks guys for all your help I will try your advice and see what happens. I can't help feeling that I have an underactive thyroid gland as I have put on a lot of weight(pre raw) and find it very hard to lose it even when I was on a so called diet I just felt lethargic and irratable and never lost weight which led me to give up quickly and so starts the yoyo dieting! I am dabbling with raw at the mo and so desperately want to make the transition to 100%, but it is very new to me and is a bit of a shock to the system at the start for me!
But again thenks for your help I am going to sort it out!
love from Ireland

[honeybee joy]

http://www.coconutoil.com/thyroid_health.htm

http://www.coconutoil.com/thyroid_coconut_oil.htm

[Arky]

FallenAngel, have you been consuming brassica greens in large quantities? They're extremely health-promoting but, if eaten in excess, can have thyroid suppressant properties (goiterogenic). As has already been mentioned above, use of kelp (for it's iodine content) or coconut oil should assist in balancing the equation a little.

It's nothing to panic about - just monitor the situation and see what effect reducing brassicas and increasing intake of the above foods has.


J.

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Articles on Coconut Oil and Thyroid:

http://www.coconutdiet.com/thyroid_health.htm

http://www.regaininghealthnaturally.com/Sickness_and_Disease/Hypothyroidism.shtml

There use to be a ton of articles on thyroid and coconut oil but they have all seemed to have dissappeared. I use to find articles at the following links, but no longer can see them or just can't seem to located them on the websites posted below:

http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/

http://www.coconut-info.com/links.htm
This one use to have like 6-8 articles and I could only find 1 and when I went to that article I didn't see anything about coconut oil.

Strange.

[elisagold]

My doctor put me on a RAW diet to cure my hypo-thyroid without prescription drugs. I've been into the RAW thing about two weeks and my thyroid gland is swollen and sore. My doctor said that it is normal for it to swell during the first few weeks of a RAW diet because it is being to stimulated to work again!

[honeybee joy]

Originally Posted By elisagold
My doctor said that it is normal for it to swell during the first few weeks of a RAW diet because it is being to stimulated to work again!

Thanks for that info! I was wondering what was happening when that happened.



Hey guys! I have been doing the coconut oil this the past few days, and let me tell you I am getting HOT! My body tempature that is. That stuff must really work. I might need to get my thryoid meds lowered. Has anyone else experienced that with the coconut oil and thyroid meds? Whew!! It is hot in here today. Normally I cannot have the air on due to being too cold.

I am burning up in Kansas today!! LOL

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi Honeybee,

How much coconut oil do you consume a day?

[honeybee joy]

I mean't to post this post here, but I did it in this thyroid post:
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=129812#post129812

Silly me! :p

Quote:

Originaly Posted By Helen of Tennesee
The only thing I can suggest is to see your doctor and have your levels tested




Ya, I have to see my doctor in August, so I will chat with him about the cortef then. I woke up today feeling hot. I do not feel the temp has been any different in Kansas City. I am missing my thryroid meds today. I will try them back tommorow and see if I get hot again.

I really wonder if that coconut oil is helping my thyroid to work better?

To be honest with you I am not 100% right now. I am in the process of finding out if I might have a ulser, and getting this gallbladder thing calmed down and diffent raw foods are a little irritaing sometimes right now. I just eat it if it doesn't hurt, if not I will eat some cooked veggies, or maybe some bread. Anyways don't wanna talk about that. I might have some kind of ulser. It is not the raw diet that is bothering me, but what is going on im my stomach. I had vomited up blood one time. (I am gonna see a gastro.)

So my point being, is I wonder if it is the coconut oil? I had to blast the air conditioner last night, make sure my chihuahua Estella was in bed with me last night so that she would not freeze to death in the living room. I was HOT HOT HOT!

[honeybee joy]

Originally Posted By Helen Of Tennessee
How much coconut oil do you consume a day?

A tablespoon or less a day. I think I am only going to take a tsp today. I was just really hot.

[jaurequi]

FallenAngel, have you been consuming brassica greens in large quantities? They're extremely health-promoting but, if eaten in excess, can have thyroid suppressant properties (goiterogenic). As has already been mentioned above, use of kelp (for it's iodine content) or coconut oil should assist in balancing the equation a little.

It's nothing to panic about - just monitor the situation and see what effect reducing brassicas and increasing intake of the above foods has.




J.

Hi, Arky,

Have you read what Drs. Fuhrman and McDougall say about this? Both agree that there is no factual evidence of this (about goiterogenic veggies). These should be limited if one has the condition, from what I understand, because it can irritate it/and or exacerbate it; but they do not create the condition.

If one gets sufficient iodine -- 50mcg a day per Dr. Fuhrman -- one need not worry about brassicas.

Best,

[honeybee joy]

Originally Posted By jaurequi
These should be limited if one has the condition, from what I understand, because it can irritate it/and or exacerbate it; but they do not create the condition.

That's good to know. I wasn't quite sure whether it did or didn't. Does this information that you got this from have more info on it? I would like to read it. Thanks for the info. Do you think if someone reversed there thyroid condition that they would be able to start eating the goitergentic foods again?

Let me know what book that was from! :)

[Arky]

Hi, Arky,

Have you read what Drs. Fuhrman and McDougall say about this? Both agree that there is no factual evidence of this (about goiterogenic veggies). These should be limited if one has the condition, from what I understand, because it can irritate it/and or exacerbate it; but they do not create the condition.

If one gets sufficient iodine -- 50mcg a day per Dr. Fuhrman -- one need not worry about brassicas.

Best,


Thanks for that, I'm not sure which book Fuhrman wrote that in - I'm guessing it's probably Eat To Live ? If so, it did not jump out at me (which, of course, it should have done), or it slipped my memory, because, overall, I am a big fan of that book, as, indeed, I am of brassicas! Thanks for the heads-up, I'll dig the book out when I get a moment.

Cheers.

J.

[jaurequi]

McDougall's newsletter says this (worth reading the entire page:Link below):

"Once the thyroid tissue is destroyed it will not regrow and I know of no way to stimulate the remaining gland to work harder. Many people ask if avoiding cruciferous vegetable foods or taking extra iodine will cure their thyroid condition. Compounds in plant foods, like cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, millet and soy have antithyroid effects. These foods are referred to as goitrogenic foods because theoretically they can lead to a condition of low thyroid with an associated gland enlargement, called a goiter. Supplementation with iodine completely reverses the goitrogenic influence of any vegetables. (Incidentally, these same foods have compounds that protect against thyroid cancer.27)

There is no harm in trying to improve your thyroid function by avoiding cruciferous vegetables, soy and millet, and/or adding more iodine (like from sea vegetables) to your diet, but my experience has been that this effort will make no difference. Let me know if you find otherwise."

_Excerpt from McDougall Newsletter, December 2005, Vol. 4 No. 12 (http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/december/051200.htm)

The Dr. Fuhrman information I obtained as a member of his forum, where he answered various thyroid questions.
Here is one direct quote: "Cruciferous vegetables have nothing to do with thyroid function in humans."

Best,

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Just in case someone with thyroid disease is reading this thread, I do want to post the "other side" of the soy issue. Each person will have to read both sides then decide what they want to do themselves. I have added Dr. McDougalls website article on soy where he explains the pros and cons of soy so you'll get both sides of the soy controversy in his article.

Thyroid Disease: The Dangerous Downside of Soy Products
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/soydangers.htm

The Dark Side of America’s Favorite “Health” Food
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westonaprice.org %2Fsoy%2Fdarkside.html

New Findings on the Soy/Thyroid Connection
Soy Expert Daniel Doerge Revisits the Issue
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/sherrillsellman.htm

The Shadow of Soy by Sean Carson
Requiem for a Thyroid - Drs. Larrian Gillespie, Richard Shames
http://www.coconut-info.com/shadow_of_soy.htm

Phytoestrogens Anti-thyroid agents
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/thyroid.htm

Soy-Food, Wonder Drug, or Poision – Dr. McDougall
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm

[rawpriestess]

WOW, just wanted to say, what a lot of great information here.

[Lady Green Jeans]

Lots of good information and support here. I can't say as I would agree that nothing could help a condition. If it can harm by an action/it can be helped by an action. Just my opinion. Really dislike blanket statements made by MD's who may be just do not have any training, knowledge and/or experience with a raw food diet/lifestyle. My two cents plus.