Raw vegan doggy treats?

[Raene]

Anyone have a good recipe?? My future puppy and I thank you :)

[jenna rose]

I'd like to find a good recipe, as well.

For right now, though, Bear likes to get baby carrots, cut up apple as treats. I give him a grape every now and then, too. I haven't tried much else.

[tvillemom]

A vet. told me that grapes and raisins are DEADLY to dogs. It will shut their kidneys down....or something like that!! Never, never, feed your dogs grapes or raisins....
Wendi

[KindnessToAllCreatures]

A good site featuring vegan doggie treat recipes is: www.yummyfordogs.org
Although the recipes are not raw, it seems some of the recipes could quite easily be modified into raw recipes and dehydrated. One of my dog's favorite treats is raw carrots, especially if I peel it first. Whenever he hears the carrot peeler, he's by my side in a flash!

[veganman]

My dogs love bananas, avocadoes, peanut butter, jicama, cabbage, and carrots.

We feed them the vegetarian diet from Dr. Pitcairn's book.

[seand11]

veganman, could you expand on your dog's diet and the doc's vegetarian recommendations? thanks.

[kyrie]

Personally I don't think it is fair to force an animal, such as a dog, which is naturally a predator and a carnivore, to be a vegan.It's just as wrong to do the same to a cat, as they have not evolved, and are not built to be vegan.


As a human you have the option of choosing your diet, based on your physical makeup, and the fact that we have evolved and adapted to an omnivorous diet.

To force a cat or dog to eat a diet which is alien to what they have evolved as is just plain wrong in my opinion, as the dog or the cat has not the choice of what they eat. This is not enlightened behaviour in my opinion folks.

If your dog chooses to eat carrots or fruits occasionally great, but to change them to a raw vegan diet, is irresponsible!!!! :mad: :eek:

If you feed them raw, choose raw meats and very little vegetables etc and supplement with vitamins, have a chat with your vet, do research on the web.It's better to have a healthy companion, than sacrifice your pet's health for your philosophical beliefs, no matter how deeply held.

Why cause irreversible damage to a defenceless animal?

How is that kind, caring or saving the earth?

Carla.

[Raene]

Personally I don't think it is fair to force an animal, such as a dog, which is naturally a predator and a carnivore, to be a vegan.It's just as wrong to do the same to a cat, as they have not evolved, and are not built to be vegan.


Dogs are not natural carnivores, they are omnivores. And the stuff in meaty dog food has tumors, flea repellent, rotting animals, etc in it. Did you know the oldest dog in the world, a 27 yr old collie, has always been fed a vegan diet? If I remember right, she's fed lentils, rice, and steamed veggies every day. There are many articles about how vegan dogs actually live up to 33% longer than the meateating dogs.
I used to agree with you, but after doing lots of research, I know that it's not a mean diet to feed dogs. Cats on a vegan diet I somewhat wonder about, but I know dogs really thrive. Do some research...the results are fascinating.

[shakti17]

tvillemom-----

what's up with the raisins!!????

grapes and raisins are 2 of my doggie's favorites!!!!

he is mostly raw. i feed him stella and chewy's raw meat. anyone have any good info about helping him to go vegan? he does eat raw plant food too - loves avos and red peppers especially.

raene - certain flax crackers he loves! i can ask my friend who makes them her recipe if you want (hers are the only crackers he likes)

[rawpriestess]

my dog loves to pick blackberries and tomatoes off the vine in our yard, he also eats pineapple no matter how much we give him, he loves our raw vegan food, he would rather eat it than any other food, now it may be because we gave it to him, who knows.


but let me relay a story, when he was a puppy, only 10 short years ago, he was a vegetarian about 80%, and only had an occasional dog food day, but one time, I was cooked at the time, I went to KFC and ordered the meal, I ate all the trimmings, and gave him the chicken, he thought it was a toy, jumpted on it, when it didn't squeek, he looked at me like, "so waddya' want me to do with THIS?" and so I broke off some pieces and gave it to him, he STILL didn't know what to do with it, now it was cooked, but it was chicken , I thought ALL dogs loved chicken.

Anyway, so I just gave him what I was eating and he hasn't ever needed to go to the vet, just for check ups, we live rural and the vet told me to watch for this and that and all these challenges that rural dogs have, he hasn't had any of those challenges, rabies, ticks, fleas, etc.

now he is practiacally all raw vegan, he is getting older, as far as some white on his face and chest, he is a black lab, but he is as spry as any puppy, just say bye bye and you'll see him jumping up and down to go for a ride.

he is a happy and joyous baby doggin for sure, of course, we give him mass amounts of love every day too.

So, I am not forcing him to eat anything, he gets whatever he wants, and he is happy.

Now, our kitty, he is a mighty hunter, and although I do not trap our little moupers that live under our sink, I must say, life is much nicer without them in our house any longer, and the moles are gone from our yard, I know that the Goddess has a plan for these animals, and although I wouldn't hurt any of them, if my kitty eats them, that is his free will.

the moupers and gofers and moles and shrews have free will too, if they wish to live elsewhere, then they won't get eaten. Oh, same with the bats.

[rawpriestess]

Raw vegan dog treats,


I ONLY know this because this was Dragggons' holy grail quest of his entire life to find anything that could be made out of almond pulp, now we have Rawkinlocs cinnamon rolls, so no more quest.

3 cups almond pulp (the pulp left after making almond milk)

dehydrate until crisp

it's that easy, or you can add
carrot, celery, tomatoes, any spices you like, etc, it is all up to you, but I have found that my dog loves this, he even loves it fresh without dehydrating, but you can add anything you like, beets, radishes, etc, we often make these for our doggin, out of veggies that are past their prime.

Fruits we just peel and freeze for smoothies, but veggies that are old go into the doggy treats.

[Raene]

Wow, Raw Priestess, thanks for the info! I too like almond pulp crackers. Will make them for the puppy and see what she thinks.
Shakti, if you google "vegan dogs" and "raw vegan dogs" there's a lot of information there. I've found several brands of cooked vegan dog food that I'm planning on supplementing with just b/c it's easier than making all of my dog's meals from scratch. However, I plan on most of her food being raw veggies, nuts, grains, and occasional fruit. :) Apparently dogs really like nutritional yeast. Wonder if carob is harmful like chocolate?

[Spectatrix]

tvillemom-----

what's up with the raisins!!????

grapes and raisins are 2 of my doggie's favorites!!!!
From Wikipedia:


Some foods commonly enjoyed by humans are dangerous to dogs, including chocolate (Theobromine poisoning), onions, grapes and raisins, some types of gum, and Macadamia nuts. Although it is now thought that the only main dangerous substance in chocolate is the cocoa, this means that white chocolate could be used as a rare treat.

The acute danger from grapes and raisins has been uncovered only since about 2000, and made public slowly since then. At present the cause is not known, but one vet [7] believes it may be an acute auto-immune response to plant-borne viruses [8] in the same manner as FIP in cats. Whatever the reason, since only small quantities are necessary to induce acute renal failure, dogs should not be fed grapes or raisins, and perhaps sultanas and currants should also be withheld.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#Dangerous_substances

[jenna rose]

someone said jicama. i just got one a couple days ago. i'll have to see if Bear likes it.

He had a peeled apple slice earlier. He knew I was cutting the apples up and came into the kitchen and just stared....at.....me. haha

[veganman]

veganman, could you expand on your dog's diet and the doc's vegetarian recommendations? thanks.

Hi Seand11 -

the main recipe I use had beans, grains, vit e, Vit C, Calcium, iron, kelp, lecithin, nutritional yeast, and cottage cheese. They love it!

[exurb]

Raene, have you thought of getting a pet that is a natural vegan if you want to feed vegan?

I still am not crazy about the idea of people confining animals and feeding them against their natural inclination and years of evolution. If you want a vegan pet there are many options of vegan animals that make nice pets, then you are providing the best possible husbandry for that pet, and there are no issues with the diet. I think dogs might be a little easier to convert than cats, but why not just get a pet that's a natural raw vegan?

RP your dog sounds awesome and very healthy and I'm glad it's working for you and him, so I don't mean any comment at all for you since it seems to be working, but maybe another individual dog wouldn't be as happy (especially a puppy that's not fully grown).

Raene, why try to fit a square peg into a round hole, why not get a pet that's a natural vegan if you want to feed vegan? Since you said it was your future puppy, I thought I would make that recommendation to you.

I believe when we take responsibility for a living pet the onus on us is to give them the best possible husbandry, which for me includes trying to meet their natural biological and ethnographic needs.

[exurb]

Raene, since you said it was your future puppy and you want to feed raw vegan, why not just get a pet that is a natural raw vegan. Then there's no issue whether you're meeting its ethnographic and biological needs, the diet is a non-issue, and you can know you're providing the best husbandry to your pet, that is both in keeping with your philosophies of what you want to feed and what that creature eats in nature.

[Raene]

Update--my pup loves her vegan dogfood! She hasnt been into the raw stuff I've offered (carrots, spinach, watermelon, apple) but the cooked stuff she goes after. Yay! Hopefully as she adjusts she'll learn to like raw too.

[Angie19]

I have just read this thread and see that some are feeding grapes, tomatoes, avocadoes to their pets. These are toxic to dogs and cats - here is some info:

Avocados
They contain a toxic component called persin, which can damage heart, lung and other tissue in many animals. This fruit is very toxic to dogs, cats and most animals.

Nuts
Walnuts and macadamia nuts are especially toxic. Effects can be anything from vomiting to paralysis to death. Within 12 hours of eating the nuts, pets start to develop symptoms such as an inability to stand or walk, vomiting, hyperthermia (elevated body temperature), weakness, and an elevated heart rate. These symptoms can be even worse if your dog eats some chocolate with the nuts. The effect can cause kidney failure, often leading to death. ( I did not know about walnuts - I have fed them to my dog and won't anymore either)

Candy
Candy or anything containing Xylitol (a common sweetener found in some diet products) can cause a sudden drop in an animal's blood sugar, loss of coordination and seizures. If left untreated, the animal could die.

Grapes and raisins
Grapes and raisins can lead to kidney failure in dogs. As little as a single serving of raisins can kill them. And the effects are cumulative, which means that even if a dog eats just one or two grapes or raisins regularly, the toxin that builds in his system will eventually kill him.

Onions
Onions are another common food that can be highly toxic to pets. They can destroy an animal's red blood cells and lead to anemia, weakness and breathing difficulties. Their effects are also cumulative over time. Also garlic - lots of dog foods have garlic in them and I don't know why - if there is a chance of a food harming a pet why put it in?

The more commonly known bad foods are chocolate, caffeine, persimmons, nutmeg, mushrooms and raw egg whites.

I fed my pets lots of these foods for many years and did not know. However, due to one of our dog's health issues, we had to lots of research on what to feed her (she is on home cooked with lots of veggies and lots of raw for treats). I was shocked to find some of these foods were toxic to pets and now avoid them. Most people only want the best for their pets and the same kind of care must be taken in the choice of foods we give them, just as we make a wise choice for our own diet.

[helen2207]

Personally I don't think it is fair to force an animal, such as a dog, which is naturally a predator and a carnivore, to be a vegan.It's just as wrong to do the same to a cat, as they have not evolved, and are not built to be vegan.


As a human you have the option of choosing your diet, based on your physical makeup, and the fact that we have evolved and adapted to an omnivorous diet.

To force a cat or dog to eat a diet which is alien to what they have evolved as is just plain wrong in my opinion, as the dog or the cat has not the choice of what they eat. This is not enlightened behaviour in my opinion folks.

If your dog chooses to eat carrots or fruits occasionally great, but to change them to a raw vegan diet, is irresponsible!!!! :mad: :eek:

If you feed them raw, choose raw meats and very little vegetables etc and supplement with vitamins, have a chat with your vet, do research on the web.It's better to have a healthy companion, than sacrifice your pet's health for your philosophical beliefs, no matter how deeply held.

Why cause irreversible damage to a defenceless animal?

How is that kind, caring or saving the earth?

Carla.

I agree totally animal eat meats period.

[iwuvmydoggy]

Walnuts and macadamia nuts are especially toxic.

Yeah.. Horses have issues with walnuts, too...




Also garlic - lots of dog foods have garlic in them and I don't know why - if there is a chance of a food harming a pet why put it in?

I've talked with some vets that use garlic as a seasoning.. One of them told me that if you combine it with pepper (like cayenne), then it negates the bad effects of the garlic & they get the healthful benefits of it. The vet that told me this makes vegan pet food & his dogs have lived 22+ years. I forgot what his name is, as it's been several years, but I'll see if I can find the emails I exchanged with him & let you know at a later date.


In regards to avocados.. See this post: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?62270-Avocados-good-for-dogs!

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In regards to the topic of the thread, I give my dog raw almonds. He likes them. lol I'll just give them to him 1 by 1 & he gets all happy and excited. It's so cute! :) I don't have a dehydrator, so can't do the almond crackers, but I'm sure he'd love those, too. :)

[RSQdogs]

The collie that lived a long vegan life lived on a farm so I am sure he found plenty of sources of meat ;) When people talk about vegan diets being better than commercial feed that is correct BUT for those that don't feed those horrible foods its easy to make a nice fresh raw diet for them that includes meat and veggies. Btw if dogs are vegans they will die without supplementation of taurine and other essential amino acids, even the vegan sites will tell you that. Cats definitely would suffer on a vegan diet. In order to balance a vegan diet one must use grains which most dogs are allergic to and don't have the capacity to digest. Believe me, I looked into all this and researched it thoroughly and came away knowing I would not do that to my dog. When I don't have time to make their food myself I buy Primal or Stella and Chewys foods. anne
Dogs are not natural carnivores, they are omnivores. And the stuff in meaty dog food has tumors, flea repellent, rotting animals, etc in it. Did you know the oldest dog in the world, a 27 yr old collie, has always been fed a vegan diet? If I remember right, she's fed lentils, rice, and steamed veggies every day. There are many articles about how vegan dogs actually live up to 33% longer than the meateating dogs.
I used to agree with you, but after doing lots of research, I know that it's not a mean diet to feed dogs. Cats on a vegan diet I somewhat wonder about, but I know dogs really thrive. Do some research...the results are fascinating.